Knicks Morning News (2015.01.10)

  • [New York Daily News] Frank Isola named New York Sportswriter of the Year (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:34:47 GMT)

    Frank Isola has been a well-respected, critical and entertaining voice on the Knicks beat since 1996.

  • [New York Times] Familiar Result for James-Less Cavs: 112-94 Loss to Warriors (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:15:24 GMT)

    On one side of the floor, LeBron James sat on Cleveland’s bench in a suit. On the other, Mark Jackson talked about his former team from the ESPN broadcast table.

  • [New York Times] Balanced Lakers Beat Orlando 101-84 Without Kobe (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:12:14 GMT)

    When Kobe Bryant stays home to rest, the Los Angeles Lakers must play a different game to compete. With balanced scoring, relentless rebounding and an unlikely contribution from a newcomer, they got the formula exactly right against the slumping Orlando Magic.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Beat Kings 118-108 for 4th Straight Win (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 05:51:21 GMT)

    Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson each scored 22 points, and the Denver Nuggets beat the Sacramento Kings 118-108 on Friday night for their fourth consecutive victory.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Hand Timberwolves 14th Straight Loss, 98-84 (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 05:42:17 GMT)

    O.J. Mayo was a young ball boy for the University of Cincinnati when Kenyon Martin starred for the Bearcats. On Friday night, they were teammates for the first time.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro basketball: 76ers Top Nets in Final Seconds (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 05:21:36 GMT)

    Nerlens Noel dunked with three seconds left, lifting the Philadelphia 76ers to a 90-88 victory over the host Nets.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Need OT to Fend Off Boston’s Late Rally, 107-103 (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:42:26 GMT)

    David West was tired of watching the Pacers let leads slip away on the road.

  • [New York Times] Roy Tarpley, Drug-Plagued Former Mavericks Center, Dies (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:42:20 GMT)

    Roy Tarpley, the former Dallas Mavericks star center whose NBA career was cut short by drug abuse, died Friday. He was 50.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Hold Off Spirited Pistons Rally in 106-103 Victory (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:36:14 GMT)

    The Atlanta Hawks certainly looked the part of Eastern Conference leaders for most of the first half — and that was enough to extend their winning streak and snap Detroit’s impressive run.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Rally Without Big 3 to Beat Suns 100-95 (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:21:20 GMT)

    Danny Green had 20 points and the San Antonio Spurs fought through the second half without their Big Three, rallying to beat the Phoenix Suns 100-95 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Davis Leads Pelicans Past Grizzlies, 106-95 (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:48:15 GMT)

    Tyreke Evans had 21 points and 10 rebounds, and the New Orleans Pelicans beat the Memphis Grizzlies 106-95 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Wall Finally Beats Rose as Wizards Top Bulls, 102-86 (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:45:19 GMT)

    John Wall finally beat Derrick Rose head-to-head, as the Washington Wizards took a 20-point first-quarter lead and held on for a 102-86 win over the Chicago Bulls Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Noel’s Dunk Lifts 76ers to 90-88 Victory at Nets (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:34:09 GMT)

    Nerlens Noel dunked with 3 seconds left, lifting the Philadelphia 76ers to a 90-88 victory over the Brooklyn Nets on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: 10-Day Contract With the Bucks Reunites Kenyon Martin and Jason Kidd (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:22:23 GMT)

    Because of injuries, Martin, a 37-year-old veteran forward, was likely to earn immediate playing time.

  • [New York Times] On Religion: Tense Scene on Basketball Court 50 Years Ago Recalls Catholic Role in Civil Rights (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 02:33:44 GMT)

    A contest that broke a sports color line in Nashville in 1965 was played without violence breaking out, and is now a landmark in local history.

  • [New York Post] Guess which young Knick has regressed — you might be surprised (Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:46:54 -0500)

    In wake of the Phil Jackson's fire sale, it's show-me time for the Knicks' last two high draft picks — last year's rookie, Tim Hardaway Jr., and current rookie Cleanthony…

  • 15 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.01.10)”

    Picking up on the last thread:

    The Chandler deal was not great. I agree that keeping him around was high-risk (health) low reward, so the hindsight re: we could have gotten more for him “now” is unfair. My thing is, we probably could have gotten a better deal from Cuban at the time of the trade, e.g w/o taking on Calderon, or getting an unprotected first instead of 2 seconds. My only real issue with the deal is that we took on Calderon.

    That said, we are now in position to get at worst a top 3 draft pick. If we keep Chandler, maybe we are a fringe lottery team by now and even after trading him a la Mozgov, we wind up with, say the #10 pick. What is it worth to go from #10 to (hopefully) #2 in this draft? It seems that the drop-off in potential after #5 is pretty steep.

    As to Shump, the minute we didn’t extend him, he became expendable. Could we have gotten more for him? I dunno, he’s been shopped for over a year now and there is no evidence of an offer of any substance being turned down. I think that dumping JR’s contract and getting a 2nd rounder at this point is addition by subtraction. Re: using the stretch provision for JR (Brian?) , doesn’t that $2-3 mill of dead cap space for 3 years possibly make it so that we can only offer a desirable mid-level FA $10 mill vs. $12-13 mill?

    I also don’t get the projection of a rapid decline of Melo’s effectiveness in the next 3-4 years. Unless I hear the words “microfracture” or ACL surgery, there’s no reason to believe that he should decline very much. And with the cap growth in the next 3-4 years, his salary might be less of an albatross than otherwise.

    Jackson has to figure out a way to dump Calderon. I’ve soured on TH2 and wouldn’t mind losing him in a salary dump. I’d rather not give up on Early, there’s something I really like about his game.

    I also don’t get the projection of a rapid decline of Melo’s effectiveness in the next 3-4 years.

    Have you seen this year?

    Kevin Pelton projected Melo to provide 32 wins over replacement over the first 3 years of his contract. Pelton’s system is one that rewards shot taking. Through half a season, Melo has provided 2 wins over replacement. He’s already been under performing the most optimistic projections for his stupid contract.

    I’ll drive Jose, Timmy and Jason to Minnesota myself if the Wolves agree to that deal. I don’t see why Minny would trade us their best player (who is young and cheap) for that assemblage of crap, but Minnesota is run by idiots, so it’s worth a shot.

    Why would Minn do that deal? Kevin Martin is the best player in the deal and he makes less than Calderon, also for 3 years. Dieng is the 2nd best player in the trade. What are they getting out of it?

    So it looks like Phx traded the pick they got from Minny which is protected 1-12 in 2015 and 2016. After that it converts into two 2nd round picks. I doubt Minny is getting out of the lottery anytime soon the deal is likely Brandan Wright for 2 2nd rd picks

    “Kevin Pelton projected Melo to provide 32 wins over replacement over the first 3 years of his contract. Pelton’s system is one that rewards shot taking. Through half a season, Melo has provided 2 wins over replacement. He’s already been under performing the most optimistic projections for his stupid contract.”

    C’mon D, can’t you add? That means that he will produce 30 wins over replacement in the next 2 years!! ;-D

    This is not too difficult if you divorce yourself from your rooting interest and stop rationalizing.

    We gave up Chandler, JR Smith, and Shumpert.

    Two of them are going to start for serious contenders and one of them will be the first player off the bench at his position subbing for the other. We got back a decent PG and two 2nd round picks we are praying develop. That’s atrocious.

    Cap space is an asset, but it’s an asset you automatically get when a contract expires. So if you wait, you don’t have to give up anything. The Knicks continue to give away more than then receive in order to get cap space sooner.

    1. There are no guarantees you will get the players your are targeting with that space (especially in the current environment)

    2. When you keep giving away assets to get the space sooner, even if you get the player you are targeting you have no team around him.

    I understand that Chandler was unlikely to come back, that we had to move away from JR, and it seemed the Knicks didn’t really want Shumpert anymore. But when guys like Mozgov are bringing in multiple first round picks no one is going to tell me we didn’t screwed on Chandler.

    We obviously got screwed on on the Shumpert/JR deal. We gave up a starter and 6th man on a contender and got back nothing. JR is a problem, but 6m is not a killer contract and there was little downside to waiting to see if he turned it around and opted out. The worst case was dealing with him for another year when we aren’t going to be any good anyway. If he actually turned it around, he’d either opt out or there may have even been someone that wanted him.

    Phil gets an A+ for understanding we should blow up the team, start over, and then actually doing it.

    He gets a D for the trades he executed to accomplish it.

    He gets a D for resigning Melo given that he’s overrated, on a bad value contract at 30, and may be declining just as this rebuild starts to bear fruit.

    Mozgov is cheaper and signed for longer than Chandler. Cleveland could not have traded us those picks for Chandler, because Chandler is too expensive. The Cavs needed a starting center who was making less than 5.3 million dollars. Tyson makes 14 million.

    @13 exactly.

    @12 no disrespect but I don’t understand your points at all. We got space and picks for two people that were going to be gone next year and got JR out 1 year early. How the he’ll is.that a loss? We now get to have a look at early and Galloway to determine if they can be kept on for cheap value.

    ‘re Melo. DRed strat and others I don’t understand the expectation/ hope that Melo will jus t suck going forward. I just dint understand it. He’s on a bad knee this season since game 2 . Put ting up decent production on a shit team. He will rest his one this year and come back rested next yr.

    resting Melo and Amaré for London game, with Amundson and Lance Thomas getting a free UK trip… btw they should accidentally leave Bargs and Jason Smith over there, lose their passports

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