2015-16 Game Thread: Knicks @ Spurs

The 2015-16 San Antonio Spurs currently have the largest point differential in National Basketball Association history. That’s kind of nuts, especially when you consider that they’re four games back of the first place team in their conference. They also very possibly will have to play a Kevin Durant/Russell Westbrook Thunder team in the second round of the playoffs. The NBA can be a fickle mistress.

Anyhow, that is what the Knicks are up against tonight. However, and here is the important part, the Knicks are in the midst of their best three-game stretch in years, destroying a good Atlanta team and an even better Miami team, a Miami team who they don’t normally match up well against, so hell, who the heck knows, right? It’s not like the Spurs never lose. Okay, they haven’t lost at home in a gazillion years, but they do lose. The Knicks beat the Spurs last year!

So let’s practice battle cries for the game. I’m currently going with, “Let’s lower their point differential a tiny bit!” What do you all have?

Let’s go, Knicks!

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284 thoughts to “2015-16 Game Thread: Knicks @ Spurs”

  1. Parker having a shitty game is typically the way you beat the Spurs. So good start!

  2. Not sure why the Spurs jumped out on Grant there, but awesome job slipping the pass to Porzingis.

  3. Hey, I’ll take a win here however it goes! If it is all them blowing easy layups, then that’s fine!

  4. So I’m not someplace I can watch the game. Porzingis is 5-10 with 15 points. That sounds good, but does it look as good as it sounds?

  5. Thank goodness they keep missing these chippies. But then Melo missed a layup, which nullified their misses. Blech.

  6. Tony Parker is trying to match Afflalo. Holy shit, is he having an awful game. He reminds me of the playoffs last year.

  7. This is not a good run. I like the timeout here. What sucks is that the Spurs are barely beating the Knicks on FG%, so it’s not even like the Spurs are just hitting lucky shots. Argh!

  8. Kwahai owns Melo. A shame. We need Afflalo not to shit the bed here.

    Calderon’s lazy passes bother me.

  9. I like Melo alot but I honestly think if he played Kawhi Leonard one-on-one he might get shut out. Thats how crazy good Leonard is defensively.

  10. I’m honestly just thankful that LMA didn’t hit another jumper there. I can live with a three-point deficit.

  11. He’s 5-8 shooting for 11 points 8 rebounds 2 steals and a block while holding Melo to 1-9 shooting my god

  12. Kawhi just doesn’t own Melo defensively, he’s killing the dude getting to the board off the glass. I think Leonard has around 10 rebounds already in the first half.

    KP needs to work harder at denying Aldridge from getting the ball in the low post because he’s not nearly strong enough to stop the guy from backing into the basket.

  13. Definitely can’t complain. That was a great first quarter and very solid first half.

  14. Kawhi does this to pretty much everyone. Lebron, KD, whoever. He’s probably the second best player in the NBA.

  15. How did Khwai slip so low he fell down to the Spurs? The guy has to be the biggest draft day steal since Stockton. Something tells me he’d have been as amazing without the Spurs system in place to nurture his talent. Makes me envious of the player drafting, development, and coaching machine they’ve assembled there in San Antonio.

  16. Gary Clark Jr. is awesome. And Kawhi Leonard is my dream knick.

    He’s like the love child of Walt Frazier and Anthony Mason.

    It looks like they knew Melo was going to have a miserable night and told Treetops to shoot at every opportunity. Which turns out to be an ok strategy.

    Amazed we are hanging with them but delightful to watch…..

  17. Yeah, that wasn’t good. But I mean, come on, dude’s having an amazing game. So he’s due a couple of lapses.

  18. Porzingis just watched the ball bounce around there after changing that shot. Little lazy.

    He’s tired.

  19. Might be a night where Fisher should just roll with the Grant-Gallo backcourt for the rest of the game cause Calderon and Afflalo are completely overmatched in this game.

  20. This is a really good basketball game, by the way. Both teams playing hard; really gritty defense, too.

  21. They’re going to have to play Melo and KP extended minutes if they want to win this. And that probably still won’t happen.

  22. When KP comes back, watch the Spurs key on him. Leonard can handle Melo one on one, so they’ll look to ice KP.

  23. Melo might have a terrible shooting % but the team is a lot different tonight without him on the floor.

  24. The Spurs are the least impressive great team I have ever seen. They just win by rolling out a bunch of old dudes who really know how to play great basketball. And Kawhi.

    So boring.

    But Manu, I love you so much…

  25. Its frustrating because KP doesn’t have the stamina to carry this team for 4 quarters. He lets up and the team falls apart.

  26. Oh, is Kawhi “on the verge of greatness,” Clyde? You know he’s been an NBA Finals MVP, right?

  27. KP is going to improve a ton next year when he can play a full game at max effort…

    Its really amazing he’s able to grind this amount of minutes. I think he played around 20+ minutes in a less grueling ACB Liga schedule. The dude is really in uncharted waters.

  28. Dred , you make it sound like the forward and center positions don’t exist ! Gallo and Grant never get calls and they ain’t great finishers yet… Kemba Walker should run a camp. That’s a guy that hits silly layups

  29. Well, at the very least it appears that Cronin’s battlecry worked. Maybe you should have aimed higher?

  30. They didn’t even have to unleash Boban to beat us…

    Think they are chanting for him in the background….

  31. Afflalo’s horrid game is clearly just a set up for him to hit a game winner jumper for us.

  32. GALLOWAY!

    How was that not a foul on the other end, by the way? Leonard was, like, clotheslined!

  33. Wow, nice run. Lopez is doing a way better job of keeping Aldridge from the paint than KP did. Gallowy is a better matchup on Parker than Calderon.

  34. Yeah KP at the 5 wasn’t the best idea for this game–maybe next year when he bulks up more

  35. Still hard to hold SA to no points and score 4 in two minutes.

    How about three? One thing about the Spurs is that they do sometimes choke at the end of games. They just tend to not be in a position where it matters, ya know?

  36. Dunno how but the Knicks are still in this game with 2 mins left. Great effort regardless of the outcome.

  37. I feel like that far kid from Hook, ” your doing it Peter(knicks). You’re doing it”

  38. SA just exploits the matchup. KP was in the game, they threw it down to Aldridge to batter him down in the paint. KP leaves, their guards drive to the basket for easy layups.

  39. Fucking Melo just had to have the fucking ball in his fucking hands and interrupt Galloway out near half-court.

    His fucking hero ball attitude is so dumb. I really wish he’d get over it and allow an offensive set to play itself out in these moments.

  40. Melo, shoot that shot. I appreciate the non ballhog effort. But I want you taking that shot.

  41. No moral victories when it could have been a real one! Calderon was less than an inch long for the win … come back and win the next .. bottom line

  42. ??? Melo has been playing point forward all season he has much better penetration ability than Galloway. I don’t see the issue that was quite literally the opposite of hero ball

  43. Porzingis gotta learn he needs to stop that drive

    If he went out to stop Parker then Aldridge would have been left wide open.

    Galloway was the one who fucked up allowing Parker to get to the paint easy.

  44. Ras you don’t run an offensive set with 8 seconds. Get off his ass he created a wide open shot for Calderon.

  45. Yeah, melo made the right play. I’m surprised fish didn’t use the last timeout though

  46. Can’t complain about Melo. Got Jose an open shot. Pretty open. Manu actually played some pretty good D there.

    Kawhi is a beast. I didn’t feel once all night that Melo had a chance to get around him.

  47. All I know is that we played the Spurs to within one point on their home court. That’s impressive. I can live with it, even though the end was a heart breaker

  48. Fucking Melo just had to have the fucking ball in his fucking hands and interrupt Galloway out near half-court.

    His fucking hero ball attitude is so dumb. I really wish he’d get over it and allow an offensive set to play itself out in these moments.

    I dunno, by taking the ball, Melo got three Spurs on him and an open shot for a great outside shooter. I think it worked they way they wanted to, so I think with that much time left, you want Melo with the ball. You just want him to pass, which he did.

  49. criticizing Melo there is just silly. He had three guys collapsing on him. Everyone in the arena expected him to play hero ball, and he dished to one of our best 3 pt shooters who was open from the shortest 3 pt shot on the floor.
    Calderon missed.

    But my question is, how is it they swallow the whistle had KP gets hipped to the ground. Clearly a foul.

  50. Yeah that last shot was the right play. How many games have we groaned “the last play was a triple teamed shot by Melo. “

  51. That was a fine final shot. Just didn’t go in. Damn, rough game for Calderon, but he could have redeemed it all if he hit that.

    What a game!

  52. Just got my heart pounding enough to yank it out. Disappointed with the result, but that was a helluva game by our boys clawing back like that

  53. That was the right play by Anthony. Great game. Tough to swallow, being so close, but can’t really ask for more than that I don’t think.

  54. ??? Melo has been playing point forward all season he has much better penetration ability than Galloway. I don’t see the issue that was quite literally the opposite of hero ball

    Galloway had the ball with ten seconds left and KP setting him a screen. Melo jumped out to take the ball when probably would have gotten it if he didn’t come out.

  55. But my question is, how is it they swallow the whistle had KP gets hipped to the ground. Clearly a foul.

    I don’t think you’ll ever get that contact called. It looked incidental. On top of that, the contact occurred after the backboard lit up.

  56. I don’t fault Melo for the pass, it was the smart move. I fault him for having to interrupt the flow of the set before Galloway could get free off the screen. The ironic part is that he probably getting the ball anyway if he was patient and didn’t force it.

  57. My wife was sleeping on the sofa. Probably best Jose missed. My son and I would have been screaming and she’d have gotten justifiably pissed. :)

    Leonard really bothered Melo.
    Nice to know that when Melo gets shut down the Knicks have other options.

  58. A Calderon open 3 is one of the better shots in basketball. I will take that as a final shot every time

  59. Manu flashing in the passing lane fucked Shit up…Melo knew he was going to pass out of that. Manu flashed and delayed the pass to Calderon and totally cut off the look to gallo. It was probably coincidence that it was such a good defensive play… Maybe the extra half second slows it down for Jose. Oh well

  60. Ya know, we just played arguably the best team (and no worse than the 3rd best team) in the NBA to a last shot on their home court. Bitter medicine, but I can swallow that.

  61. That Melo high screen for KP is a thing a beauty. I see it open nearly every time they run it during games but they miss KP.

    It works because there is no way to cheat it. It either gets KP open at the rim or from 3. On top of that it frees up Melo too.

  62. I think Melo had a very good game, all considered. He fought, defended, rebounded, etc. He was guarded by their best guy most of the night.

    We know the Knicks’ big flaw is guard play. Well, it was again tonight. Nothing new there.

  63. ah, I thought there were some tenths left when he went down. So it goes.

    Our guys are looking very tough. Defense was there. Hitting big shots. Hustling.
    And not a lot of one on one stuff. very much in the flow.
    KP was something tonight. LA was muscling him, but KP got the better of it.

  64. ah, I thought there were some tenths left when he went down. So it goes.

    MSG showed a tenth of a second but the backboard was lit up, so I really dunno.

  65. Probably one of the most impressive four games I’ve seen the Knicks play in a long time.
    Very sharp. Lots of answers. Great energy. Doing the little things right.
    This is a good team. Not great, but a good team. I can see them fighting for a playoff spot.

  66. Anyway, the Knicks played a very good and healthy Spurs team tougher than they’ve been played at home all season.

    I am very impressed with the level of basketball they’re producing at this point in the season.

  67. As the comeback was going on I couldn’t help but have flashbacks to when Shump hit that big shot in the corner off a Melo pass. Lightning almost struck twice.

  68. Very encouraging game. Even though we lost, I loved the way the team played. KP is really coming into his own, and Melo didn’t have his typical bucket getting effectiveness. So what that tells me is if Melo and KP are playing well, this team is tough. KP pulled out his whole arsenal, didn’t he? Even with the onset of my first bout with the flu in a decade, I was standin-jumpin-yellin…lol my daughter thought I had finally lost my mind. She’s 3 so I had to tell her, “it’s the Knicks- one day you’ll understand” LOL. Anyways..I like the fire in this team

  69. BTW, were the Knicks out of timeouts at the end?

    No, but I don’t mind the lack of timeout there. The Spurs were reeling. They did get an open three out of the play, ya know?

  70. I’m a Gallo homer but he really did kick ass in that 4th quarter. Quietly, loudly, whatever… On Parker’s last floater he did let him get by but Parker’s done that to just about everyone. He’s probably taken that floater from that exact spot over 50,000 times in practice against guys bigger than 6 foot…so be it. I was pumped to see Gallo get our last bound too.

  71. Man, a win would’ve been nice. Today at the end of school, one of my students (I’m a high school teacher) told me that the “Knicks suck!” Would’ve been nice to talk to him Monday about the win…
    :-)

  72. Next 3 games are home vs the Bucks, Celtics and at the Nets. If the Knicks really have turned the corner and are serious about making a playoff push they should win all 3 and get back over .500 before heading to Memphis on Saturday.

  73. @218. I’m not criticizing. Just wondered. Yeah, agree, they got a very good shot. Just a bad night all around for Calderon.

  74. No, but I don’t mind the lack of timeout there. The Spurs were reeling. They did get an open three out of the play, ya know?

    Which made Melo disrupting the play by coming up and demanding the ball even dumber. By the time he got it our spacing was fucked and the Spurs were set.

  75. Just got home. Oof. Really gets you into a game you didn’t expect to have a prayer in and then just sucks all the wind out of your soul. I don’t know how anyone can argue with the play and the shot. Knicks did us all proud tonight.

    But damn, both my teams (I’m a big Mavericks fan) missed open shots at the buzzer to win on the road within minutes of each other. I need a drink. Or seven.

  76. Anyone watching the teeter hangups infomercial on league pass post game…. I just don’t feel like moving except to type on my phone

  77. I don’t know about the rest of you but I am starting to think that our guys have become a pretty good team. The Spurs haven’t just been winning, they’ve been steamrolling teams. Despite the frustration, that was a great effort. And Melo absolutely made the right play.

  78. Among the criticisms of Melo I’ve seen Ras’ stands alone as the most asinine. Generated an open corner 3 for one of the greatest shooters of all-time. Jesus Christ.

  79. We’ve played the Spurs really well the last few seasons, especially when you consider how crap we’ve been overall. Really fun game tonight.

  80. There was no indication any play was called.

    I mean the sequence. The point was to let Galloway get off the screen and find someone open before the Spurs could react. Maybe even have KP trail him.

    WTF does Melo need to go halfway to stop it so he can get the ball? We might as well just called TO then and ran a play for him.

  81. As devils advocate ….I will say this … If you’re not going to call a timeout there. I think…you keep the defense on heels and keep moving. What’s the point of slowing that last possession down like that… In all reality they ran the same play they would have ran out of a timeout. The point of not calling timeout is to catch em with their pants down. Two things. 1. No one says we had to take the last shot and 2. We definitely let them pull their pants back up

  82. If ever there was a “good loss,” that was it. The Knicks stayed in the game the whole way, rallied their asses off at the end and came up just short. The second half of this season is going to be very interesting.

  83. Look, the right play with 9 seconds to go is to get the fuck out of Langston’s way and let him win it. But an open corner 3 from Jose is a pretty good plan b

  84. Assuming the Knicks can stay close to .500 by the trade deadline (if they continue this play up they could be above .500 by then) it will be very interesting to see if they make any moves to improve the team considering Im sure they dont want to take on more salary for next season to preserve cap space.

  85. Generated an open corner 3 for one of the greatest shooters of all-time. Jesus Christ.

    What? We didn’t even need a fucking 3, so it was a low percentage shot for what we needed. So many better options had Galloway been left to push up the ball.

  86. Also, Leonard is obviously an incredible defender, but this idea that he could somehow stop Melo 1-one-1 is silly.

    Melo was in the paint all night, and penetrates very well against Leonard, but that help defense is just as bveastly.

  87. Because Galloway running PNR against the Spurs when he’s not an especially good PNR player adapt at passing out of it is not a great play. I’ll take an open corner 3 for Calderon over virtually any other shot besides a clean attempt at the rim in that situation. What the fuck are you even going on about?

  88. As devils advocate ….I will say this … If you’re not going to call a timeout there. I think…you keep the defense on heels and keep moving. What’s the point of slowing that last possession down like that… In all reality they ran the same play they would have ran out of a timeout. The point of not calling timeout is to catch em with their pants down. Two things. 1. No one says we had to take the last shot and 2. We definitely let them pull their pants back up

    This. So. Fucking. This.

  89. I know Galloway had a good night but just look at his percentages for the season anywhere other than beyond the arc. You’re kidding yourself if you think a Galloway drive was the best percentage play.

  90. Galloway should have just dribbled the ball all the way to the front of rim for the game-winning bunny. Obvs

  91. The Spurs have the best defense in the NBA by a country mile. That was a fine last shot. Maybe not the perfect last shot, but good enough.

  92. Hey thanks! But everyone is hating on you right now so I wanna stay neutral!

    Ultimately duh. Jose 3 is fine … But that’s just duh… It’s moot now anyway. We lost and I just bought myself a teeter hangup thanks to the infomercial

  93. This reminds me of a game during the 1998 season when the Knicks hosted the Bulls (after Ewing had injured his wrist) and the Knicks got a rebound down by 1 pt and Van Gundy was waving them to push the ball and not call a timeout. It unfortunately ended up with Childs dribbling it up and forcing a 3pter that missed at the buzzer.

  94. Everyone on this board argues about God damned 3 pointers and efficiency and now you would argue for a mid range jumper because we only needed 2 points to win. Unbelievable.

  95. Its just typical Melo shit that when the clock winds down he needs to have his hand on the ball no matter the situation. We had our fastest guard pushing the ball down the court, getting a screen from the big man, while the defense is setting up. So what does Melo do? He fucking comes up, fucks the spacing up, and disrupts the guard from doing his job.

    If Fisher wanted Melo to get the ball there, he would have called the timeout. The whole sequence looked fucked there. That 3 wasn’t the shot anyone wanted to take, including Melo. Its a low percentage shot for the situation.

  96. They pulled their pants up and we got a high percentage shot. If that goes in nobody is criticizing him at all because Melo had the audacity to collect the ball and create a high quality shot for a teammate. Unreal. Reminds me of people criticizing Lebron for passing it to Donyell Marshall in the corner.

  97. The more I see of KP, the more I think he should stay at PF until he gets older, slower, and stronger. At 7’3″ 240, and the ability to move the way he does, he’s already a matchup nightmare on both ends at 19. When he gets a little slower, and picks up that inevitable weight, then you can move him to the 5 and bring in a young PF to compliment his skills. He’d be a terror at the 5 now, but I like him as a full time PF and backup C. I hope the trainer finds a way to keep him at 240 for a while , but get him stronger. Unfortunately, there are no mobile centers in the league with game changing ability, so KP probably has to end up at the 5 to maximize his skills, but I still really like him at the 4 with a good defensive 5. Can you imagine him and a Tyson-type roaming the paint? Sheesh! That’s some scary shit!

  98. Herring: “Fish contemplated calling TO a few seconds after NY grabbed rebound, when Galloway was stuck at halfcourt. But decided to let it ride once Melo got the ball.”

    Just stop.

  99. You’re kidding yourself if you think a Galloway drive was the best percentage play.

    Not even the point. Of course, its not the best percentage play. But it is the better percentage play than what Melo forced. Don’t tell me the process in him demanding the ball as Galloway is coming of a screen around mid-court is smart, because its not.

  100. No one is saying “Galloway, win the game”. I think we’re just saying “team, let’s keeping moving and catch these fuckers off balance!”

  101. According to Twitter Fisher said postgame that he was thinking about calling a timeout but decided not to once Melo got the ball.

  102. No one is saying “Galloway, win the game”. I think we’re just saying “team, let’s keeping moving and catch these fuckers off balance!”

    LOL. You may be neutral but you’re making a shit ton of sense.

  103. According to Twitter Fisher said postgame that he was thinking about calling a timeout but decided not to once Melo got the ball.

    UGH. LOL. So fucking dumb.

  104. I would have rather Melo shoot there since he hit his last 2, but I want my max guy touching the ball in the last 10 seconds and creating either way. Calderon was open. The only thing that would have been better was if the shot hit the rim with 2 seconds left so they could have battled for the rebound.

  105. Yeah Langston Galloway coming off a screen at fucking halfcourt makes teams poop their pants in fear. Melo forced an open corner 3 for a teammate which I’ve been told is a great shot especially when it’s one of the greatest shooters in the history of basketball.

  106. There was no play developing… There was no advantage to be had, no number advantage in transition.

    I would have called a timeout, but in lieu of that, Melo is obviously the best half-court creator on the team.

  107. Gallo was only stuck at half court because we know why …

    There seems to be cross contamination of a few things right now

    1) because the last shot was actually a pretty good one, most are saying it was the right play
    2) some people hate Melo so he likely sabotaged the win
    3) in game tactics … if you do or don’t call time out in the waning seconds of a close game
    4) the right play is the one that actually wins the game !!!

  108. Ras, teams generally score at a higher clip off shots from open play in crunch time than off shots out of a timeout.

  109. The ball was in the right place. You want Melo to have the ball because regardless of your personal opinion of him, opposing teams will sag to him. This creates openings and shot attempts for other teammates.

  110. Ras, teams generally score at a higher clip off shots from open play in crunch time than off shots out of a timeout.

    I get that. My issue is that Fisher didn’t know if he wanted a timeout. He should have known. The dude is so indecisive.

  111. Ras there’s about 4 players in the league driving the lane there and either finishing or getting a foul call.

  112. I personally don’t care about Melo. I care about the process. In that situation let the guard push the ball up with some decent spacing out on the court. But its the same shit, we force shit instead of letting the game come to us.

  113. Honestly, i think the only thing Fish really fucked up tonight was playing Jose and Afflalo too much, but they’ve played well lately, so I can’t kill him for that. Unless Arron is going berserk on offense, though, he should never play twice as many minutes as Galloway, who is a better player.

  114. The typical Knicksy play would have been to call time out, inbound the ball to Melo, have Melo shoot a fadeaway 19-footer with two defenders in his face, brick, game over. So this ish was significant progress as far as I’m concerned.

  115. Who is 7’3″ and has 3 of the top 4 highest scoring games for a rookie this season? Hint: he’s 20 and just dropped 28 points on the best defense the NBA has seen in two decades.

  116. You know what surprised me? When the Spurs went up 12, they started to lollygag. That was some pretty indefensible basketball by them. Once the Knicks cut it to five, they started paying attention, but until then, they were basically playing prevent defense with way too much time left. Odd to see from a Pop-coached team.

  117. Yeah the Zingularity is a beautiful thing. The attitude tonight was so good. He meant business from the opening tip. Langston is also most beauteous. He has to be brought back next year. Grant did fine. It was great to get him some meaningful minutes in a game like this. The young Knicks: They’re going to do something big one of these days.

  118. This Spurs team is really, really good, and their defense this season has been amazing. The difference between the Spurs D and the number 2 defense is the difference between the number 2 team and the 16th. And for long stretches tonight they had no answers at all for our rookie who isn’t old enough to buy a beer. That is very exciting

  119. Wow this thread is big. Nice to see.

    Game to game, I go from fire Fisher to ‘he’s OK.’ Why Porzingis was not playing down the stretch I can’t figure out. Why did he adjust to the Spurs lineup? That’s stupid given our how defense functions.

    If you’re playing ‘stick-to-your-man-like-glue’ 3 pt defense, then you need the rim protection inside. I can’t stand Fisher anymore.

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