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Sunday, May 26, 2019

Knicks Morning News (2019.04.24)

  • [NYTimes] 76ers 122, Nets 100: The Nets’ Season Ends, but They’re Just Getting Started
    (Wednesday, April 24, 2019 4:08:05 AM)

    A first-round playoff series loss to Philadelphia is the postscript to a season that saw a young team overachieve and build for its future.

  • [NYTimes] Luke Walton, Coach of the Sacramento Kings, Is Accused of Sexual Assault in Lawsuit
    (Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:09:31 AM)

    Kelli Tennant, a former sports broadcaster and college athlete, filed a lawsuit alleging that he aggressively groped her in a hotel room. He denied the accusation.

  • [NYTimes] W.N.B.A. Games to Air on CBS Sports Network in New Deal
    (Tuesday, April 23, 2019 3:40:27 PM)

    The league recently unveiled a new logo and color scheme, and made clear that they reflected heightened ambitions. But growth in its TV audience has so far has been modest.

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    90 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2019.04.24)

    1. alsep73

      The Clippers beating the Warriors would make it even more likely that KD leaves, but could also increase the odds he goes to the Clippers. So… go, Dubs?

    2. Brian Cronin

      I really don’t see KD jumping ship to go to the team that eliminated him again. That’d be a weird narrative for him to deal with.

    3. Early Bird

      FWIW, to all the KD is falling off crowd, Durant has been the only consistently excellent scorer for the Warriors. I think he took the regular season off. Not the case for Draymond and Klay.

    4. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      I still don’t understand why a 31 year old Durant would want to come to a 17 win team. It barely made sense when KP was here, but at least you could say, “well, their best player was out”. We have the space to replace KP with an equal or better current player, but we don’t have that player yet or any other veteran players with at least some playoff experience either. On top of that, he’s on record saying he would never play for the Knicks just a few years ago.

      If I was him I’d either stay with the Warriors or go to the Clippers. If for some reason the Clippers prefer Khawi and he wants to go there, they will figure out a way to move Gallinari to open up the space for Durant also.

      I’m not 100% sure I’m on board with this anyway, but I’m mentally prepared for us to have to go in another direction. It’s figuring how to use that much space effectively that’s the problem. You can only bring in players that are available and that are willing to be on a rebuilding bad team. That’s a short list when it comes to the star players available this year. If not that we can rent it out or roll it over with short term contracts depending on the price offered and years involved in rental. But those are not things you want to do. Those are things you have to do because you don’t have better options. Been there and done that.

    5. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Maybe if Durant says I am 100% not coming to NY, the Knicks can take Gallo into their space for a 1st round pick and open the door for the Clippers. He’ll be on a 1 year deal next year. I’m sure he’d be fine with coming back to NY. He’s popular here and it would add a good veteran player to at least move the team forward from its 17 win abyss. Then we’d have the space back the following year, an extra pick, and Gallo might be willing to come back cheaply the following year just to settle down in NY and eat right in Little Italy. Of course, the Nets could offer the Clippers and Durant that deal also and I don’t think Gallo would mind Brooklyn. :-)

    6. thenoblefacehumper

      It barely made sense when KP was here, but at least you could say, “well, their best player was out”.

      Mitchell Robinson only missed 16 games this year?

    7. Early Bird

      I want Durant no questions asked. If we don’t jump on players willing to come to NY when they’re FA were just hoping that someone wants to come later.

      We have 3 years before Mitch signs a big contract. After that we start worrying about capping out without enough talent. Grab the talent when you can.

    8. thenoblefacehumper

      If we whiff on KD and Kyrie (one without the other is pretty pointless barring some other major moves) the correct path forward is pretty easy to chart. Pretty much do the exact same thing we did last offseason; don’t add marginal wins without sweetener and stack the roster with as many intriguing young players as possible. That option wasn’t really available to us when it seemed like were going to have to give a max contract to Mr. November, but it is now.

      The only thing that could screw up the Knicks’ current position is proactive stupidity, so I’m very curious to see how their current position inevitably gets screwed up.

    9. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Mitchell Robinson only missed 16 games this year?

      IMO, Mitchell Robinson is a terrific player that has a chance to become a two way superstar, but if your only weapons on offense are the lob dunk and offensive rebound put back, very good teams will limit you and reduce you to more of a role playing rebounder and defender. That still makes you very very valuable to any team, but you are not a high level two way player that a team can build around and count on to score on high volume every night. It’s the latter category that’s harder to get.

    10. chrisconley

      As much as I’m sick of the Ws, I’ve been rooting for a sweep. This is a hell of a recruitment pitch by LAC. If Clips win, I think we’re fine bc of what BC said (he can’t possibly jump to the team that beat him again). But worst case scenario is 7 games. “Wow! This team almost beat my superteam. They have a champion coach and solid ownership. I get to put my Malibu house to good use. I am far and away the star that takes them to contender status (i.e. no Curry to outshine me) and Kawhi might come making us a stone cold top-3 team w/o stealing too much of my spotlight given his uber-reserved demeanor.” Fuuuuuck.

    11. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      If we whiff on KD and Kyrie (one without the other is pretty pointless barring some other major moves) the correct path forward is pretty easy to chart. Pretty much do the exact same thing we did last offseason; don’t add marginal wins without sweetener and stack the roster with as many intriguing young players as possible.

      Here’s the flip side.

      The only reason the Knicks might not get a superstar this year is because they suck and have no veterans that would immediately be ready to compete in the playoffs at a high level with guys like Durant. The same would probably be true the following year and maybe even the year after that until the young players start breaking out and other players want to join them.

      The only reason a 2nd tier team like the Brooklyn Nets is even in the conversation for a star free agent is because they put together a team that’s a mix of young players with upside and battle hardened veterans that now have playoff experience together. So you could easily imagine adding a star, continuing their process, and the team being a serious contender the following year after next.

      You can go either way. Both have advantages and disadvantages depending on your time horizon, city, and position.

    12. Hubert

      As someone who bet a fair amount on three teams to topple the Warriors, days like this make me feel pretty good. Usually I wake up feeling like I set money on fire.

    13. bobneptune

      KD sure didn’t look to be in decline phase last night, ehhhh….and Mr. Kyrie has been pretty spectacular , too!

      As to the previous thread statement about GSW being the best “team” of all time, I think the Bulls would have something to say about that. I’d pay real money to watch Pippen chase Durant all over the floor and Rodman/Grant play Draymond Green. It would also be humorous to watch GS try to defend MJ without hand checking…..

    14. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      As someone who bet a fair amount on three teams to topple the Warriors, days like this make me feel pretty good. Usually I wake up feeling like I set money on fire.

      I have the Bucks and Raptors at a pretty good price. If one of those 2 makes the finals, I won’t even mind if the Warriors get to the finals as long as they struggle a little doing it. The more they struggle the more the price on them to win the championship will become more attractive. I could imagine a scenario where either the Bucks or Raptors are in the finals and at a certain price I bet on the Warriors to win and profit no matter what. I guess I’m sort of hoping Kyrie goes out for a drive and accidentally fall off the edge of the flat earth. :-)

    15. thenoblefacehumper

      The only reason the Knicks might not get a superstar this year is because they suck and have no veterans that would immediately be ready to compete in the playoffs at a high level with guys like Durant. The same would probably be true the following year and maybe even the year after that until the young players start breaking out and other players want to join them.

      Sure, it could take 2-3 seasons of making high picks and getting assets with cap space before we’re an appealing free agency destination without even taking into account our location. I fail to see any problem with that whatsoever. I’ve waited quite literally my entire life for the Knicks to put together a legitimate contender with the quasi-exception of 2012-2013. What the hell is three more seasons if I see a smart process taking place? Trying to rush said process has lead us to being arguably the single worst team of the past 20 years. Could trying to build the correct way for once really be any worse?

    16. Hubert

      A quick question for Offtopicblogger fans:

      Any thoughts on the local teams before the draft tonight? I haven’t been much of an NFL fan this decade, but I always enjoy watching the strategy game play out on draft night.

      I’m also a residual Giants fan with a love/hate relationship with Gettelman. I hate his asset management skills. There are far too many examples of him not deriving maximum value for an asset and if I listed them all, this post would not fit inside the character limit.

      What I love about him, though, is his commitment to taking the best player available and not succumbing to the pressure of media pundits and fan hordes who think we should reach for a QB with a high pick just because we need one. I’m happy that he appears open to taking a stud defensive player at 6 despite knowing everyone will roast him.

      My best case scenario for the Giants tonight is one of the defensive studs at 6 (I like White, the LSU linebacker), and then trading up from 17 to take Haskins if he falls. I do like Haskins a lot, but I think the defensive players likely to be available at 6 are better. I won’t be mad if we end up with the QB at 6, though, as long as it’s not Lock or Jones. Taking either of them at 6 would make me blow my lid.

    17. Hubert

      I still don’t understand why a 31 year old Durant would want to come to a 17 win team.

      Consider the vantage point from which you are analyzing his motives.

      You’re looking at it through a prism of your own bias based on what players from the last decade of free agent movement have done. They’ve all made moves to get rings.

      Durant has rings and it hasn’t made him happy. What makes you think he should be driven by the desire to add more rings? He can come here, break scoring records, win individual awards, be worshipped if he gets his team into the conference finals. And he can do all that in the same city where his VC firm is headquartered, enabling him to spend more of his time on another part of his life that he loves.

      I admit that he has to be convinced that we won’t be a disaster like the Lakers are. That’s why I think Brooklyn remains a dark horse in the race. He can get all of the above and not have the risk involved with the Knicks.

    18. swiftandabundant

      Yeah if we whiff on big free agents, my strategy would be to rent out the cap space for a few overpaid veterans in exchange for extra picks. Even if those veterans brought up our win total, I would be fine with that. Another 17 win season would be rough to deal with.

      I’m not of the mindset that outright multiyear tanking is the best strategy. But the process of not trying to be a competitive team and instead developing young players, maybe have a vet or two on the team for veteran influence, and then picking up extra picks to increase the odds of getting a good young player is the way to go. Philly not only tanked but they picked up extra picks during the process. And as was pointed out, with all the top picks being 19 year olds who will take at least a few years to develop, its actually very smart to have multiple first round picks, some later in the first round or some extra second rounders that you use on upper classmen or intriguing “problem” players like Mitch (I say “problem” in quotations bc his missing college is what hurt him and allowed us to draft him in the second round). There can be talent, good talent, later in the first round or in the second round, that often ends up being better than the lottery picks. So the name of the game should be to have as many extra lottery tickets as possible cause you never know which one is going to hit.

      This isn’t to say that tanking one year is bad. Just that I think just tanking alone isn’t the way to go. Its the collecting extra picks part that I think can really hook a team up. Its why I Loved the Zinger trade. Those two extra picks could mean another great player even if our team is good and our pick isn’t in the top 5 or 10.

    19. Hubert

      If we whiff on KD and Kyrie (one without the other is pretty pointless barring some other major moves)

      As someone who spends way too much time playing with spreadsheets and roster combos, I assure KD without Kyrie is not pointless. You could get 2-3 good vets for the price of one Kyrie. But I already attempted to make this an NFL thread for a day, so I won’t try to make it another NBA 2k19 thread, too.

    20. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Sure, it could take 2-3 seasons of making high picks and getting assets with cap space before we’re an appealing free agency destination without even taking into account our location. I fail to see any problem with that whatsoever.

      Here’s another way of thinking about it.

      There are 3 main things to consider when developing a plan.

      1. What is the probability it will be successful at making us one of a handful of teams that can be considered a serious contender for the title.

      2. How long will it take.

      3, How long will the window be.

      The Knicks have historically focused 100% of their attention on “how long it will take” without much consideration for the the probability of success or length of window. That’s one reason we failed.

      You seem to lean more towards the probability of success and length of window without much consideration for length of time.

      What you want to do is probably the most likely to work eventually.

      I guess my feeling is that it’s OK to sacrifice a little on probability to clip off a few years. It’s matter of finding the sweet spot where the gain in years is large enough to be worth the small change in probability.

    21. Bruno Almeida

      Kevin Durant is having an incredible performance in this series, and I think at the back of his mind he wants a new team where he is the unquestioned superstar so he can do it every night. He has a .706 ts% as of now on 32% usage, which is about as insane as it sounds.

      I think he’ll leave the Warriors, and considering he himself has said his priority is money, New York and Los Angeles should be the best options in the sense of branding opportunities and everything else. It’s clear to me that he thinks he’s the best player alive and he himself is enough to make any team contend, whether that’s a fact or not, so I don’t think he would worry too much about going to a bad team. If his decision is based in anyway on a real chance of contending every year, then the discussions are kinda pointless because he’s just staying with the Warriors.

    22. thenoblefacehumper

      As someone who spends way too much time playing with spreadsheets and roster combos, I assure KD without Kyrie is not pointless. You could get 2-3 good vets for the price of one Kyrie. But I already attempted to make this an NFL thread for a day, so I won’t try to make it another NBA 2k19 thread, too.

      Kyrie’s max AAV starts at $32.4M. Here is the list of upcoming free agents. To which 2-3 players do you think it would be reasonable and realistic to divide that sum? I’m open to having my mind changed but as of now I just don’t see anything but clear max/near-max candidates and guys not worth it at all.

      I guess my feeling is that it’s OK to sacrifice a little on probability to clip off a few years. It’s matter of finding the sweet spot where the gain in years is large enough to be worth the small change in probability.

      This is as clear and honest as you’ve ever been about your team building philosophy, which I appreciate. I will reiterate that I cannot fathom not being willing to wait 2-3 more seasons to make sure this is done correctly after 20 (mostly) duds.

    23. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Just that I think just tanking alone isn’t the way to go.

      The thing about tanking is that if you’re able to do it four years in a row, the players you picked in years 1 and 2 likely haven’t grown into the franchise players you’d hope to get with a high pick. You could call it the Cavs Paradox — they should have become the best team in the league when they got 3 #1 overalls in four years, but it turned out that they just had no idea what good basketball players looked like, hence why they were “able” to “tank” during those years.

      As you mentioned, the Sixers were smart because they hoarded picks and exploited injury fears to “delay” a competitive team until it was time to put the pedal to the metal. So it wasn’t that they drafted guys who couldn’t contribute when they were on the floor — they got the benefits of being bad without their cornerstones underperforming. (They just didn’t perform at all, for a time.)

      If you’re failing to identify good players, it doesn’t matter whether you pick #1 or #30. If you can identify good players, having a top-5 pick in 3 consecutive seasons should be the easiest path to a long-term, three-superstar basketball roster. But of course, those teams tend to be the ones the worst at knowing what a good player looks like.

    24. thenoblefacehumper

      If you’re failing to identify good players, it doesn’t matter whether you pick #1 or #30. If you can identify good players, having a top-5 pick in 3 consecutive seasons should be the easiest path to a long-term, three-superstar basketball roster. But of course, those teams tend to be the ones the worst at knowing what a good player looks like.

      This is all true, and it’s also important to note that even smart teams can find themselves with high-lottery duds for unpredictable reasons. The key in this scenario is to be able to identify these guys as sunk costs. If they have some trade value (e.g. Porzingis), great, trade them for whatever you can get. If not, you gotta have the stones to let them walk if that’s what it comes to.

      As long as you don’t overpay your lottery disappointments, it’s almost inevitable that you’ll wind up with a good team eventually.

    25. Brian Cronin

      This is all true, and it’s also important to note that even smart teams can find themselves with high-lottery duds for unpredictable reasons. The key in this scenario is to be able to identify these guys as sunk costs. If they have some trade value (e.g. Porzingis), great, trade them for whatever you can get. If not, you gotta have the stones to let them walk if that’s what it comes to.

      As long as you don’t overpay your lottery disappointments, it’s almost inevitable that you’ll wind up with a good team eventually.

      The key thing for tear down rebuilds, I think, is just eliminating marginal wins from veterans making a lot of money. When you start rebuilding around Kevin Durant, you really need to trade Ray Allen, ya know?

    26. Dough Chew [dolan pls]

      @16

      “Offtopicblogger” is the best fucking website out here on Al Gore’s internet. I cannot name a smarter, weirder, more interesting group of dudes.

    27. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Durant is done in Golden State, and with him goes their championship window. It’s become abundantly clear that he is the reason they’re still in the hunt. I suspect they’re going to get their asses paddled by the Bucks if they can get by Houston.

    28. Bruno Almeida

      The warriors losing to the the Clippers even with an amazing game by Durant is not an irrelevant sign, I agree. They’re falling off. This is a team that even when they weren’t giving 100% before used to sweep those easy matchups like they were nothing, they lost games last season to non Houston teams because Curry was injured. Now they’re all healthy and dropping two games at the Oracle to a team they have no business losing to.

      I still think they’re winning the title, but there’s a very good chance they don’t.

    29. Hubert

      Kyrie’s max AAV starts at $32.4M. Here is the list of upcoming free agents. To which 2-3 players do you think it would be reasonable and realistic to divide that sum? I’m open to having my mind changed but as of now I just don’t see anything but clear max/near-max candidates and guys not worth it at all.

      Two veterans I like a lot *if* we’re in win-now mode with Kevin Durant are Danny Green and Paul Millsap. I find it incredibly difficult to project what over 30 veterans can expect to get in this current environment, but I think it’s quite reasonable to assume we can get the two of them for under a combined AAV of $32mm. (Sometimes I think we can get both of them and Jordan for that much money, but that’s when I’m being wildly optimistic.)

      EDIT: the Nuggets have a team option on Millsap but I think they’ll conclude there are better ways to spend $30mm

    30. MKinLA

      KD to Clippers seems less likely, in light of him selling the Malibu house.

      Not sure it says anything about the odds of him staying with the Warriors.

    31. thenoblefacehumper

      Two veterans I like a lot *if* we’re in win-now mode with Kevin Durant are Danny Green and Paul Millsap. I find it incredibly difficult to project what over 30 veterans can expect to get in this current environment, but I think it’s quite reasonable to assume we can get the two of them for under a combined AAV of $32mm. (Sometimes I think we can get both of them and Jordan for that much money, but that’s when I’m being wildly optimistic.)

      Millsap ain’t hitting the market. He has a team option, and while his AAV is high as hell, it’s just one year and he’s a key cog for a contender that can’t really open up any additional flexibility by letting him go. They’re picking it up.

      Green is a UFA, but Toronto will have his Bird Rights and will presumably want to keep him for all the same reasons Denver will want to keep Millsap. Even if Kawhi leaves, they still stand to be pretty competitive. I suppose it’s possible they let him walk under those circumstances, but that’s a whole lot of assumptions.

      Overall, if legitimate contention is what we seek the clear best option is to sign two worthy max players and fill out the rest of the roster as best we can.

    32. thenoblefacehumper

      EDIT: the Nuggets have a team option on Millsap but I think they’ll conclude there are better ways to spend $30mm

      If the Nuggets decline Millsap’s option and renounce all of their free agents…they’re still about $30M over the cap. That’s why they’re picking it up–spending $30M on an overpaid but productive player like Millsap is better than spending it on no one.

    33. Ntilakilla

      Not sure it says anything about the odds of him staying with the Warriors.

      On its own, I agree. But in the context of a lot of circumstantial evidence this is just the latest indication that KD is on his way out there. There’s just too much smoke around that situation for me to believe he’s selling main property in the area before the offseason begins with the intention of stating a Warrior.

    34. Bruno Almeida

      Yeah, there’s no way Millsap becomes available and we would have to overpay for Danny Green probably. I still think the 2 superstar route is the best simply because you can’t get surplus value on those free agent veteran deals. Let’s say Millsap does become available, what would his price be to the Knicks? He’s probably worth about 10-12 million based on his production, will he accept a 2 year 20 million deal? Because even if he accepts that deal, which is probably below market for him, you’re still just paying a veteran adequately to what he produces with almost zero chance that he gives you more than that.

      If you can find 3 Millsap level players for 10 each in place of Kyrie I’m all for it, I just look at the impeding free agents list and I don’t really see it. There are guys like Jeremy Lamb, Marcus Morris, Thad Young, Cory Joseph, Wayne Ellington, Terrence Ross, all guys who are decent to good veterans but better suited to being the 4th or 5th best player on a really good team, but they’d have to be the 3rd to 5th best players on the Knicks.

      I’d rather take my chances that Irving will outperform his contract based on his production for at least the next couple of years and try to find surplus value out of cheaper pickups like Houston has,

    35. Early Bird

      Again, I think no matter how you go about building a team you need to buy free agents at some point. There are several factors that go into getting top free agents, but most important are (1) cap space and (2) they want to come.

      We currently have (1) and allegedly have (2). Sure we can wait, but there’s no guarantee (1) and (2) coincide in the future. In that case we’ve spent more time, but get no closer to winning.

      For those that want to wait, why do you think FA will come in the future? The track record of players coming to NY has not been great despite all the claims of NY as an ideal destination.

      On the other hand, we’ve never had a player at KD’s level before. All the other rushing to win was with bad players. The problem isn’t the strategy, it’s the implementation.

    36. Early Bird

      It’s easier to fill gaps than find superstars. I definitely take superstars.

      Plus, we can grab Millsap next FA with the MLE.

    37. Early Bird

      Malibu isn’t exactly close to Oakland. I don’t think it means much. Plus, he already made $1.5 mill off it. Likely a financial decision.

    38. JK47

      Malibu also has a tendency to catch on fire a lot. It’s beautiful there but I’m not so sure I’d be gung ho about living there.

    39. geo

      Malibu also has a tendency to catch on fire a lot. It’s beautiful there but I’m not so sure I’d be gung ho about living there.

      man, i’m 60 miles from the water with about 15 million people in my way to get there :(

      grew up close by patchogue/sayville – i miss the water sooooo much…

    40. Grocer

      For those that want to wait, why do you think FA will come in the future? The track record of players coming to NY has not been great despite all the claims of NY as an ideal destination.

      On the other hand, we’ve never had a player at KD’s level before. All the other rushing to win was with bad players. The problem isn’t the strategy, it’s the implementation.

      I don’t think he’s coming here. If he wants to you have to sign him, because it’s a big opportunity. But we don’t have nearly the necessary supporting cast in place yet so we’d need to start handing out picks and good young players to acquire them. And then year one we miss the playoffs or get swept in the first round due to a lack of synergy/cohesion/supporting players/injuries/ect, all the shit that happens the first year to teams built like this. Year two we burn more picks and youth for vets and do better, year three Durant leaves to go elsewhere and the Knicks are once more back at the bottom with absolutely nothing to show for it other than a second round playoff appearance. I consider this the most likely scenario in the unlikely situation that Durant, who hates the media more than any other player, actually wants to sign here, home of the NBA’s most antagonistic media.

    41. Hubert

      If the Nuggets decline Millsap’s option and renounce all of their free agents…they’re still about $30M over the cap. That’s why they’re picking it up–spending $30M on an overpaid but productive player like Millsap is better than spending it on no one.

      1. According to Spotrac, they’d have over $20mm in cap space if they decline his option.

      2. Here’s where we actually take Dolan for granted: most team owners are cheap and don’t want to pay $30mm for a player who might be worth half that. The Kroenke family owns the Nuggest and they are notorious cheapskates (ask any Arsenal supporter how many times they’ve done something that made terrible sense from a competitive standpoint but netted them extra money).

      This isn’t like Golden State and Klay Thompson. $30 million is too much money for Paul Millsap. I think he’ll hit the market.

    42. Hubert

      That’s a big red flag for any Warriors fan that KD is on his way out.

      Or maybe not everyone is as reassured by Ajit Jain’s opinion on coastal property as Strat ;)

    43. Hubert

      grew up close by patchogue/sayville – i miss the water sooooo much…

      My man from the south shore! I was a Seaford kid. First job was working at Jones Beach in 1993. I got fired for letting all my friends sneak into a Spin Doctors concert. I was genuinely surprised when they fired me, too, because all the older kids talked about doing it so much as I was growing up that I thought it was perk of the job. “I gotta plead ignorance on this one. If anyone had told me this sort of thing was frowned upon here…”

      It turned out well, though. My next job was a stock clerk at the local Waldbaum’s, where I developed a system of switching Budweiser cans into cases of Pepsi that had special markers on them so my friends knew which ones to buy. Thus I became the main alcohol supplier of south shore long island high school parties from 1994-95.

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Malibu isn’t exactly close to Oakland. I don’t think it means much. Plus, he already made $1.5 mill off it. Likely a financial decision.

      I agree that it doesn’t say anything about him staying or going, but I doubt he’s made much money off of it. Between property tax, capital gains tax and realty fees, I bet it’s a wash.

    45. Early Bird

      Also, the article just says KD is listing his Malibu home. He may just be testing the waters for a sale. He’s not actually sold it.

    46. rama got that Fizdale Magic

      Ras, I think you’re misreading – Malibu is near LA, not Oakland. It is impossible to interpret what it means, but it certainly does NOT mean he’s leaving.

      First job was working at Jones Beach in 1993. I got fired for letting all my friends sneak into a Spin Doctors concert.

      Amazing coincidence, I think my band opened for them. We opened for Blues Traveler and the Spin Doctors a lot in those days. I loved listening to Popper, and those dudes were really nice; we usually hung out with the bassist and driver before shows and played pool and such. The Doctors, on the other hand, were douchebags. I did not cry when Chris blew out his vocal cords.

    47. geo

      oh heck yeah hubert – massapequa…my grandmom lived out in oceanside (a few of blocks from the nathans there)…

      I got to hang out a few times at some of the bars over on jones beach as i got older (smith point was our local beach growing up)…i’ll never forget i was 18 and hanging out at this one bar with my cousin (he was in his late 20’s), we were standing on a pier blazing and out of no where he told me: “don’t have kids – they’re really expensive”…

      i don’t know, he didn’t have any until his late 30’s, but, at the time – it seemed to make a lot of sense…man, even god kids are expensive…

      i was in the sachem school district…even though massapequa was in nassau county, pretty sure we played sports with them…

      wow, there was a waldbaums over there by nathans…it’s been years since i thought about that…lived with my grandparents for a while when i was a kid…i love google street view, brings back memories…

      i’ve told people before that long island was a really beautiful place to grow up (especially if you were on the north or south shores)…a lot of people though just think of the city or upstate when they think of new york…

      oh yeah, you’re such a corrupting influence – i knew there was a reason i liked you :)

    48. geo

      dang, we have a few musicians here…very cool…the say suffering helps your art – i guess that’s why you guys are knicks fans :)

      some of you have already mentioned the type of music you primarily play – i gotta be honest – i’ve always been curious as to the type of music danvt (and his very professional looking photo icon) plays…

      i always guessed it would be something other than in the rock genre…who knows though?

    49. thenoblefacehumper

      1. According to Spotrac, they’d have over $20mm in cap space if they decline his option.

      2. Here’s where we actually take Dolan for granted: most team owners are cheap and don’t want to pay $30mm for a player who might be worth half that. The Kroenke family owns the Nuggest and they are notorious cheapskates (ask any Arsenal supporter how many times they’ve done something that made terrible sense from a competitive standpoint but netted them extra money).

      The initial figure I cited was wrong because I forgot they have a bunch of trade exceptions they’ll renounce, but it’s not $20M. If they renounce all of their free agents and TPEs, they can get to $14.5M. There’s just no chance they let Millsap walk to open up that amount, because they’d run into the exact same problem we’re having! Who exactly is worth right around that amount, and that’s also better than Millsap?

      As has been touched on here before, Sportrac is extremely unreliable. Remember Emmanuel Mudiay cap hold trutherism? That was because of them.

      There really aren’t many (any?) good options to give a Courtney Lee-esque deal. It’s a dying type of contract that only makes sense if you’ve somehow secured a legitimate max player at below their max (think Curry, and then Iguodala).

    50. Ntilakilla

      Happy about Quinnen Williams to the Jets though. The best player in the draft gets play on the biggest stage in the country.

    51. JK47

      Amazing coincidence, I think my band opened for them. We opened for Blues Traveler and the Spin Doctors a lot in those days. I loved listening to Popper, and those dudes were really nice; we usually hung out with the bassist and driver before shows and played pool and such.

      My first big touring gig was with Pete Yorn, I played in his band for many years in the 00’s. We did a month opening for Blues Traveler and they were great to us, just class acts all the way around. The best thing about that tour was that they brought their own chef on the road with them, which is rare for a band of that size. They had stoves and and pots and pans in road cases, and every day it was this incredible homecooked food, it was mostly soul food kind of stuff. That’s still the only time I’ve ever played at Red Rocks, opening for them.

    52. JK47

      Don’t sleep on the awfulness of the Oakland Raiders’ first pick.

      Only nine more years of Gruden left!

    53. Hubert

      Josh Allen fell into their laps and they blew it.

      That QB 1) sucks, and 2) would have been there at 17. Hell he might have been there in the 2nd round.

    54. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Grew up in Port Jeff Station, so just a hop skip and a jump down the road from the rest of you LI natives. Despite its being a giant suburb, I miss it. And I’m convinced that LI has better bagels per capita than NYC.

    55. Ntilakilla

      Raiders didn’t have a Plan C when Williams and Bosa were taken off the board. I dunno if trading down was an option for them but Ferrell was a major reach. I guess they thought a SAM like Allen wasn’t valuable enough of a position pick at #4.

    56. Ntilakilla

      Okay, if you’re a Cardinals, Giants or Raiders fan you can feel better your GM didn’t trade up to pick a dude dressed like a band member from Prince and the Revolution circa 1985.

    57. Ntilakilla

      Redskins just made a terrific pick and the Giants are going to regret it. Haskins will spend his career making them pay for passing up on him.

    58. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Someone explain the apoplexy caused by this draft pick. I don’t follow the NFL but I love hot takes and drama.

    59. Hubert

      Someone explain the apoplexy caused by this draft pick. I don’t follow the NFL but I love hot takes and drama.

      The biggest idiot in the room thinks he just outsmarted 31 other NFL teams.

    60. Ntilakilla

      Someone explain the apoplexy caused by this draft pick. I don’t follow the NFL but I love hot takes and drama.

      Giants GM passed up a fan favorite for someone no one ever heard of at their premium draft spot. And the really crazy thing is that they could’ve this guy later in the first round with their 17th pick. And then they go pick a glorified NT with that 17th pick in a league where teams are passing more and more pass rushing quickness is being prized at the interior defensive line.

    61. JK47

      The dude the Giants picked had mediocre production in college and doesn’t have a great arm. They apparently liked his “intangibles.” There was an actual good QB prospect still on the board. Yeah, that’s a pretty rough pick.

      I don’t really “root” for the Raiders anymore, I kind of just hate-watch them and Jon Gruden is in the pantheon of terrible sports GMs already. The guy is magically stupid. He’s going to leave an incredible body of work behind before he’s done.

    62. ess-dog

      Wow yeah, I’m not a big nfl guy, but Gettleman might be the worst gm I’ve seen in any sport since… idk… I think Phil was better tbh.

    63. Hubert

      One of his best attributes is that his coach “worked with” Eli and Peyton in college.

      That is an actual reason they cited for drafting a poor QB prospect with the 6th pick in a loaded draft.

    64. vincoug

      @64

      The Giants basically just drafted the NFL version of Cam Reddish. He’s got bad numbers for a college QB: 59% completion, 8200 yards, 6.4 yards/attempt, 52 TDs, and 29 picks over three years with virtually no improvement over that time and in a college division that isn’t exactly full of football powerhouses.

      His tape is also bad. I tend to think that arm strength is generally overrated but he can’t throw deep at all. He plays almost exclusively out of the RPO and locks on to his 1st read. This is also a guy who no one was talking about during the NCAA season but climbed draft boards after the season was over which is also a major red flag.

    65. vincoug

      Giants GM passed up a fan favorite for someone no one ever heard of at their premium draft spot. And the really crazy thing is that they could’ve this guy later in the first round with their 17th pick. And then they go pick a glorified NT with that 17th pick in a league where teams are passing more and more pass rushing quickness is being prized at the interior defensive line.

      Everything Gettleman has done as GM is basically the NFL version of Phil Jackson talking about three pointers as a fad that won’t win championships.

    66. Hubert

      The Giants basically just drafted the NFL version of Cam Reddish. He’s got bad numbers for a college QB: 59% completion, 8200 yards, 6.4 yards/attempt, 52 TDs, and 29 picks over three years with virtually no improvement over that time and in a college division that isn’t exactly full of football powerhouses.

      His tape is also bad. I tend to think that arm strength is generally overrated but he can’t throw deep at all. He plays almost exclusively out of the RPO and locks on to his 1st read. This is also a guy who no one was talking about during the NCAA season but climbed draft boards after the season was over which is also a major red flag.

      And he looks like the smirking kid with the MAGA hat from Covington Catholic.

      I’ve never seen someone who is so obviously too soft for the NFL.

    67. Ntilakilla

      @72

      I feel bad for Giants fans right now. I thought Haskins was a no brainer for the Giants if he was there. I could’ve even seen them passing Haskins up at #6, taking someone freakish like Oliver there and then reaching for Lock at at #17. That would’ve made sense. Oliver/Lock >>>>> Jones/Lawrence. I just dunno what the thought process there is.

    68. Hubert

      At least Gettelman will be fired. If we’re lucky, it will happen in time for someone else to make our picks tomorrow.

      Other silver lining:

      We’re almost guaranteed to be the favorite for the #1 pick next year, so Jones is just holding the seat warm for Tui

    69. Ntilakilla

      We’re almost guaranteed to be the favorite for the #1 pick next year, so Jones is just holding the seat warm for Tui

      That would put the Giants in the same path as the Cardinals now, picking two QB in two consecutive drafts with their first overall picks. I dunno how that will work out, but its better to cut bait with a guy if you don’t think he has it. Look at the mess the Dolphins created because they weren’t willing to accept that Tannenhill wasn’t the guy.

    70. vincoug

      @75

      Honestly, I didn’t like Haskins either but he was certainly a better prospect than Daniel Jones. Considering who was available, the obvious pick there should have been Josh Allen. What’s even more frustrating is that we just drafted Dexter Lawrence, a 2-down run stopping DT at 17. Of course, this is after we traded the best run-stopping DT in the NFL this past season for a 5th round pick partially so that our other two DTs could play their natural position. This is rank fucking incompetence.

    71. geo

      hey silky, port jeff is a really nice area…it’s been decades, but, I remember it was a really beautiful spot…

      I remember my worst date ever though was some small movie house there…took someone to go see eraserhead…man, that was a bad idea…we left about 30 minutes, any chance of getting laid pretty much went out the window 5 minutes into the movie…

    72. geo

      yeah, not such a great night for the g-men…fuck, we may have been better off with coughlin and reese…

    73. geo

      just wanna go on record – whenever danvt stops by again, I’m guessing it’s jazz related, and, he plays some kind of horn instrument :)

    74. Ntilakilla

      @79

      Yeah, its pretty bad. If Gettleman wasn’t enamored with Haskins I don’t see why he wouldn’t just pick DE from a deep draft in the position at #6 and roll the dice with whoever’s left at QB there at #17. They went through all of that trouble to trade OBJ for that 17th pick and ended up with a NT in his stead.

    75. djphan

      gettleman is absolutely worse than phil….. phil kind of actually cares about ppl…. gettleman is a troll… he’s petty…. and he’s dumb… and he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room….

      he’s a lot like our president…. and he’ll be hopefully out of a job by next year also….

    76. bobneptune

      I’ve never seen someone who is so obviously too soft for the NFL.

      This is why uninformed fans are morons. This guy is such a pussy he played 20 DAYS AFTER HAVING A PLATE INSERTED TO A BROKEN CLAVICLE!!! It is really hard to play football with a broken clavicle that needed surgery. Gutless bastard……

      WTF man…. do a little research before spouting opinions like the 9 yr old who cried when the Knick drafted KP.

    77. Ntilakilla

      The Spurs are looking to take this series to 7 when they have no business beating the Nuggets with the roster they’re starting. Greg Popovich is such a great basketball coach. I think he’s certainly in the top 3 all time, arguably in the top 2 depending upon how you feel about Phil’s legacy of frontrunning from one star-laiden franchise to the next.

    78. geo

      so what’s even more telling, when it comes to evaluating college talent, than a 3 on 3 match up in basketball – a college football all-star game…

      supposedly the senior bowl is where gettleman fell in love with jones…

    79. Hubert

      This is why uninformed fans are morons. This guy is such a pussy he played 20 DAYS AFTER HAVING A PLATE INSERTED TO A BROKEN CLAVICLE!!! It is really hard to play football with a broken clavicle that needed surgery. Gutless bastard……

      WTF man…. do a little research before spouting opinions like the 9 yr old who cried when the Knick drafted KP

      I do appreciate the brilliant analogy to the crying Knicks fan, and the kid may be tougher than he looks. But you seem to ascribing to toughness credit that belongs to a medical staff. He didn’t play through pain, they figured a way to protect him from pain and further injury:

      https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article219304195.html

      Bob, there’s no defending this pick. Absolutely none. If you liked the kid so much, trade down. The kid didn’t have a first round grade. If we didn’t take him at 6, he’d still be on the board this morning like Drew Lock is and we’d be able to take him tonight.

      And please don’t get me started on using the 17th pick on a two-down NT.

    80. bobneptune

      Bob, there’s no defending this pick. Absolutely none. If you liked the kid so much, trade down. The kid didn’t have a first round grade. If we didn’t take him at 6, he’d still be on the board this morning like Drew Lock is and we’d be able to take him tonight.

      And please don’t get me started on using the 17th pick on a two-down NT.

      First of all…. my comment didn’t relate to the actual value of the picks which none of us have much idea. It was about your “he ‘s obviously too soft” inane commentary. If you have ever played football imagine playing that sport 20 days after breaking your collar bone and I don’t give a crap how good the surgeons are. He can’t possibly be “obviously soft”.

      Your silly biases spew forward when you also said “he looks like the Covington Kid” (like that kid did anything wrong). I guess that is proof positive he is a pussy no matter what the facts are. Just for the record Eli Manning is the spitting image of Opie Taylor and he hasn’t missed a down in a million NFL seasons so judging a book by its cover generally isn’t a good idea while ignoring the facts.

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