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Saturday, November 17, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.11.09)

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis has made no progress on the court, still not able to sprint nine months after surgery
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:50:00 PM)

    Now nine months removed from ACL surgery, Kristaps Porzingis’ return to playing basketball doesn’t feel any closer.

    At least that’s based on the information provided by David Fizdale, who said Thursday that his Latvian star still isn’t sprinting and remains at about the same level as prior to training…

  • [NYDN] David Fizdale is revamping his playcalling after timeouts following Knicks’ suspect play down the stretch
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 7:20:00 PM)

    After a loss this week underscored the Knicks’ failures in ATO situations (after time outs), David Fizdale revamped and simplified his play-calling.

    “Out of timeouts, we haven’t executed well,” the coach said. “I started early in the season doing a little more complex things and now have tried…

  • [NYPost] Knicks would be viable fit if Terry Rozier goes on trading block
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:36:23 PM)

    If Celtics point guard Terry Rozier ever goes on the trading block, expect the Knicks to be one of the teams with interest. According to a report by The Athletic, seven teams are “monitoring’’ Rozier’s situation because of a perceived view he’s unhappy going back to the bench with Kyrie Irving healthy. Rozier was a…

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter blasts Hawks after ill-timed Twitter jab
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:49:29 PM)

    Enes Kanter ripped Atlanta’s social media staffer who joked on Twitter about his scary somersault Wednesday as he grappled for the ball with Hawks powerhouse center Miles Plumlee. Kanter literally flipped over and somehow avoided hitting his head. But he wasn’t pleased at a snarky Hawks tweet on the team’s official account showing the video:…

  • [NYPost] Fizdale utters the worst-case Porzingis scenario for first time
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:01:15 PM)

    Knicks coach David Fizdale acknowledged publicly for the first time the possibility of Kristaps Porzingis not playing this season, calling it an “if and when.” Fizdale said he can’t think or plan for Porzingis’ return at this point because he doesn’t want to lose focus on the current players. Election Day was the nine-month anniversary…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose’s big night gives Knicks hope for Mudiay’s potential
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:07:10 AM)

    Five observations from the Knicks’ 112-107 road victory Wednesday over the Hawks at newly named State Farm Arena (formerly Philips Arena). 1. It took ex-Knicks PG Derrick Rose 11 seasons to find his three-point shot. He made a career-high seven Wednesday on nine attempts in Minnesota’s loss to the Lakers. Former Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek…

  • [ESPN] Porzingis posts sprint photos after coach’s claim
    (Friday, November 09, 2018 12:18:42 AM)

    Knicks All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is doing light running but not sprinting at this point in his rehab from an ACL injury. That’s what his coach says. But the player’s Instagram acccount tells a different story.

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Kanter upset with ‘childish’ Hawks tweet
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 5:32:44 PM)

    Enes Kanter took issue with a Hawks tweet that highlighted a potentially dangerous fall he took in the New York Knicks’ win over Atlanta on Wednesday.

  • [NYTimes] Harlem Made Mo Bamba, but He Will Take It From Here
    (Friday, November 09, 2018 12:07:07 AM)

    A viral rap anthem has people singing his name, but the 20-year-old rookie center for the Orlando Magic is focused on building a legacy that lives beyond any trend.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Enes Kanter rips Hawks for ‘childish’ Twitter dig: ‘Probably a high schooler’
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:58:26 PM)

    Knicks center Enes Kanter knows a thing or two about pro wrestling, but the big man is no fan of one Hawks social media staffer delivering a WWE-themed joke at his expense.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis not making progress in ACL rehab
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:12:04 PM)

    The latest progress report on Kristaps Porzingis should send a clear message to Knicks fans: Patience is a virtue.

  • [SNY Knicks] Derek Fisher blames himself for not questioning Phil Jackson’s triangle offense with Knicks
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 11:00:03 AM)

    Former Knicks head coach Derek Fisher admitted he may not have accepted the job had he known ahead of time Phil Jackson’s adamancy about running the triangle offense.

  • 72 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.09)

    1. Frank

      Not sure if this was all talked about a couple days ago, but wow– Zion.
      I can’t believe that dude is 280+ lbs.
      He would looking amazing in blue and orange.

    2. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats

      Zion looks incredible but I wonder if folks should pump the brakes on the hype train. Not everyone is Lebron, and I wonder if he can survive as a full time wing at that size or if he’s long enough & defends well enough to be a PF. But man! This kid is defying all kinds of logic right now. He’s a joy to watch

    3. ProjectKnicks

      Now nine months removed from ACL surgery, Kristaps Porzingis’ return to playing basketball doesn’t feel any closer.

      Does not look good….

      their plan is to re-sign the 23-year-old, who has not spoken publicly since September.
      But at this point, the Knicks don’t have a firm grasp on whether Porzingis will return at all this season. In addition to consulting Knicks doctors, the forward employs his own medical team, separate from the franchise. His Instagram photos were an indication that he’s doing more work off the court, and Fizdale even acknowledged he’s out of the loop regarding Porzingis’ strengthening benchmarks.

    4. GoNyGoNyGo

      After reading the report on KP I’m a bit worried. If we sign him to a long term deal and he comes back but is broken goods, where does that put us? So, do we want him to play this year just to see? Will that hinder his recovery? But it could all be a ploy to tank. And what will other teams pay for him that we need to match? If we don’t sign him long term, can he walk after the contract is up? All these questions have me worried.

    5. kevin5318

      KP posted a picture yesterday that he was already running. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him sometime around the all star break.

    6. alsep73

      KP then responded to Fizdale’s comments — or perhaps to the way the media reported on those comments — with Instagram pics of him sprinting. I’m hoping it was a shot at the media and not his coach. KP can be a drama queen, and given the Fizdale/Gasol stuff, I really don’t want to see beef between player and coach here, especially months before Porzingis is ready to play again.

    7. Hubert

      And literally yesterday Strato was suggesting that this would only be handled logically.

      There is so much potential for this to be mishandled. Appealing to a major free agent should be the 1,000th most important factor in this decision.

      .

    8. kevin5318

      @7 I think it was more a response to the Bondy report that he wasn’t anywhere close to returning.

    9. Hubert

      If I’m the Raptors or Celtics I’m doing everything I can to avoid playing the Bucks in the second round. Too scary.

      I know I may be overreacting to their respective starts but I think it’s the Raptors and Bucks who will be competing to avoid the Celtics. The Bucks look outstanding behind Budenholzer.

      I like Fizdale, but he was the second best coach who wanted this job by a significant margin.

    10. Nick C.

      In a logical world the Knicks staff and KP’s “people” would be in some form of up to date communication regarding what he is doing. Fizdale may be too busy coaching the players he has to be up to the minute with KP’s rehab.

    11. Bruno Almeida

      @10

      The scary thing is that they’re doing this while Giannis is, for the most part, struggling a bit. He’s averaging a career high 4.7 turnovers per game, shooting .087 from three and getting to the line a bit less, so once he hits his stride there’s still room for improvement for this team. He picked up 5 fouls and barely played in the 3rd and it didn’t matter.

      It’s not even just hate for the Celtics, I really want to see a 7 game ECF matchup between Giannis and the Bucks and Leonard and the Raptors. That will be epic.

    12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      This is nothing novel, but the Celtics offense is so anemic right now that I’d want to catch them in the playoffs. At this point in the season, the samples should start to be reliable, and what I see represented is an offense that can’t put the ball in the hoop and can’t draw fouls.

      Brown is in bust mode — he’s shooting .466 TS% on career-worst shooting at the rim, behind the arc and from 10-23 feet. He’s not even getting to the rim, seeing a dunk rate less than half of what it was the previous two years. Smart has seen his usage plummet while turning the ball at the same rate as always. Rozier and Tatum also can’t seem to find the rim.

      I don’t think this offense is going to end up at 27, but at this point, it’s going to take a heroic streak of hot shooting to bring them back into the top-10 range they’ll need to have a contender’s MOV.

      The Bucks are, so far, easily the best team in the league. They have a MOV of nearly +14, a 16+ SRS, the league’s 3rd-best offensive and 2nd-best defense (the Celtics are head and shoulders above them with a -1.4 margin at #1) and just thoroughly dominated the Warriors on the road. For reference, the ’96 Bulls had an SRS of 11.8 and the ’17 Warriors were 11.35.

    13. Hubert

      It’s not even just hate for the Celtics, I really want to see a 7 game ECF matchup between Giannis and the Bucks and Leonard and the Raptors. That will be epic.

      Yes!! And this may be our only chance.

    14. swiftandabundant

      I honestly believe Fiz’s remarks were a tank ploy/managing expectations comment and the media blew it way out of proportion. I think they’re going to be extra cautious and that could mean KP being out for most of the season. There is no reason to rush him back at all. I think KP’s instagram photos were in response to the overly sensational headlines.

    15. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I’d love to see Boston lose in the second round while completely healthy. I wonder how the media would defend Brad Stevens then.

      In all seriousness, Boston doesn’t have the top level talent that Milwaukee and Toronto have. Lowry/Leonard/Ibaka and Bledsoe/Middleton/Antetokounmpo are both better trios than Irving/Tatum/Horford. It’s also looking like Budz and Nurse aren’t a huge drop off from what you’re getting out of Stevens (Budz and Stevens might even be the same tier coach). The Celtics are deeper than anybody, but depth doesn’t win in the playoffs as much as top level talent and match ups do. It doesn’t matter if you have Hayward, Tatum, Morris, and Brown on the wings if all they’re going to do is take turns getting roasted by Kawhi or Giannis.

      I’m looking at things through anti Celtics colored glasses, but the Celtics aren’t exactly doing themselves any early season favors and may not be the clear favorite in the East this year or in the coming years. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Fultz have yet to reach their primes. If we land one of the 3DF (people love Zion here but even Cam Reddish is a 6’9” 3 level scoring two way wing who doesn’t need to dominate the ball to give you 40), KP comes back healthy and with stamina, and a big free agent signs up? How much worse than Boston’s current team would Porzingis/Reddish/Durant be?

      The thing about the NBA is teams are catching up faster than we expect in the moment. Durant’s Warriors almost lost in the WCFs. Boston’s status as clear contenders was based off of beating Philly in five, but they got pushed to 7 by Giannis and what was an inferior Milwaukee team to this year’s version. I don’t think Boston gets out of the 2nd round, and I think that opens up the door for Kyrie to consider the Knicks in July.

    16. Frank O.

      I’ll just leave this here and move along:
      Melo’s statline last night: 20 minutes played at -22, two points on 1-for-11 shooting (including six misses from three), five boards, zero assists, zero steals or blocks, and a turnover.

    17. Hubert

      It’s also looking like Budz and Nurse aren’t a huge drop off from what you’re getting out of Stevens (Budz and Stevens might even be the same tier coach).

      Budz is a head and shoulder above Stevens.

    18. d-mar

      The Celtics offense in the 4th quarter comes down to Kyrie Irving doing his one on one thing, and they live and die by whether he can execute difficult shots.

      Tatum had a ridiculous TS as a rookie of .586, including 43% from 3. Now he’s down to .511 and 34%. And Jowles laid out what an awful season Jaylen Brown is having.

      I’d take either of them on my team, but for all we know (or hope) Boston may have peaked last year, and no longer look like clear favorites to win the East.

    19. Owen

      Believe it or not Frank O there was some discussion of Melo’s game last night. Not gloating mind you, just a fair hearted, cheerful consideration of his contribution to the Rockets.

      I thought it important to note the Melo’s only bucket of the night came on a goaltend.

      Re Giannis, I will take those numbers in orange and blue any day….

    20. Hubert

      I look forward to that dimwit Simmons wondering if Kyrie has “ewing theory” potential.

      Aside: as a die hard Patrick Ewing fan, that name angered me. The Knicks were always better with Patrick Ewing. They went from a 57 win team to a 43 win team when he got hurt it 97. And they went from a perennial contender to 18 years of garbage since we traded him.

      We had one good series against Indiana because a young Marcus Camby was unleashed and came into his own and Allan Houston got hot for a few games. Then we got summarily trounced in a finals against San Antonio where we desperately needed Ewing.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      The premises of the Ewing Theory will always be faulty. Teams don’t play better when they lose their best player. They play better when their departed best player is overrated and unproductive.

      Ewing was at the tail end of his career and was demonstrably bad at basketball in 1999. Of course they got better.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      They went from a 57 win team to a 43 win team when he got hurt it 97

      This has more to do with roster construction than Ewing still being a force of nature like he was in the early 90s. The Knicks were so used to getting 2800-3100 minutes of Ewing every year that he was the only C on the 1996-97 team, and virtually the only C on the 1995-96 team (Matt Fish played 17 minutes). No wonder they were fucked when he went down with an injury.

      It’s a similar idea to the pro-Carmelo arguments about his on/off numbers: that since the Knicks were markedly worse without Carmelo, it’s clear evidence that he’s an objectively-good player. It’s not that simple. You simply can’t expect to be deep at one particular position when you’ve built a team around a highly-paid player like Ewing or Anthony.

      For the millionth time: player reputation falls slower than player production does. This is why Carmelo Anthony is still employed in the NBA, just as Ewing was given 2100 minutes to be an awful player in Seattle, and then one last rodeo in Orlando, where he was even worse. Finally, after several years of steep decline (from a not-so-elite apogee), the league — save Morey & co. — has wised up to the fact that Carmelo is a horrible basketball player.

    23. Hubert

      All fair points. The theory is awful on numerous levels.

      I’ve mostly been annoyed that it was named after the best Knick of my youth.

    24. Z-man

      I’m heading to the far east end of LI this weekend for golf outing. The forecast calls for chilly 20+MPH winds. A friend told me that for $70 I could bring his usual caddie along, he’s a 16yo from the UK named Laga Vulin.

    25. Z-man

      Ian Begley
      ESPN Staff Writer
      The Knicks say Lance Thomas underwent arthroscopic surgery of his left knee for removal of loose bodies on Thursday. He will be re-evaluated in a month and will start rehab immediately.

    26. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, it’s Simmons, he can be entertaining at times but he’s not much more than a random fan spouting hot takes but with a decent to good historical background on the NBA.

    27. alsep73

      The Knicks say Lance Thomas underwent arthroscopic surgery of his left knee for removal of loose bodies on Thursday. He will be re-evaluated in a month and will start rehab immediately.

      Well, that’s one problem solved, in terms of the rotation and appeasing our veteran players. Lance wasn’t likely to rock the boat anyway, and Fiz had already cut way back on his playing time. But now there won’t even be the temptation to give him minutes that should be force fed to Knox or Dotson.

    28. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      And literally yesterday Strato was suggesting that this would only be handled logically.

      There is so much potential for this to be mishandled. Appealing to a major free agent should be the 1,000th most important factor in this decision.

      It will be handled logically in the “real world”.

      KP and his handlers WILL make a risk/reward decision on playing without an extension and consider what the doctors are telling them.

      The Knicks will make a decision based on what the doctors are telling them and whether they want to tank or showcase him to potential free agents.

      The rest of it is pinheads in the media creating controversy and “fake news”.

      I’m not sure why Fizdale said what he said (if it was eve reported accurately and without spin). but he may have wanted to temper fan expectations or he may be out of the loop on KP’s day to day training. This is not a story other than to media pinheads.

    29. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      I don’t think this offense is going to end up at 27, but at this point, it’s going to take a heroic streak of hot shooting to bring them back into the top-10 range

      They don’t need a streak. They just need to play better at some point.

      On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best possible offense, if they are a 3 until the final month of the season and then put it all together and become an 8.5 for that last month, no one is going to care what their average was for the year. They will be an 8.5 going into the playoffs.

    30. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      Tatum had a ridiculous TS as a rookie of .586, including 43% from 3. Now he’s down to .511 and 34%.

      If I had to guess, I’d say he started the season last year shooting above his true skill level and probably had a lot of open shots because he did not have a reputation as a great 3p shooter coming out of college . Now they are guarding him tighter and it’s probably just a random below trend period. The reality for his skill level right now is probably somewhere between the two.

    31. Hubert

      I’m not sure why Fizdale said what he said (if it was eve reported accurately and without spin). but he may have wanted to temper fan expectations or he may be out of the loop on KP’s day to day training. This is not a story other than to media pinheads.

      Fizdale’s comments were pretty sensible, actually. KP strikes me as very sensitive, sometimes juvenile.

    32. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      Fizdale’s comments were pretty sensible, actually. KP strikes me as very sensitive, sometimes juvenile.

      I agree. He does seem a bit sensitive. I guess he’s anxious to play and wants the fans to know he’s doing really well.

    33. Hubert

      “I’m looking at these guys right now. I’m not even planning on KP at all,” Fizdale said. “I can see instantly how he fits, but I’m just trying to keep my mind focused on them. Because that would just be a huge distraction for me mentally, hoping and wishing for KP, that 25, 28 points, 10 rebounds and five blocks, whatever. I’ve got to lock in on these young bucks, keep them up to par.”

      You see what he did there? Guy’s a lifetime 20, 8, 2, and Fiz is pumping him up. And still KP complains.

    34. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Yeah, KP seems somewhat spoiled and overly-calculating.

      He learned from the best.

      We’ve got three bottles of scotch ready to be opened all at once on Thanksgiving. Doing a shootout between three Laphroaig labels.

    35. Hubert

      That’s fair, Owen. But if you were upset, would you pull your coach aside and say “hey, coach, I actually can sprint” or would you passive aggressively post a picture of you sprinting?

    36. Brian Cronin

      I like Fizdale, but he was the second best coach who wanted this job by a significant margin.

      Absolutely, but Budz didn’t actually want this job. He wanted the head coaching job and also be the de facto GM. He was a bad GM in Atlanta, so that was asking for too much. Once that was off the table, he chose the better team, which was logical for him to do.

    37. Owen

      In this day and age? I am pretty sure if I were 22 I would have done the exact same thing. Control your own narrative. I don’t think Fiz was being shady, I think it was sort of a goof, but it was definitely a strange one.

    38. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      The Bucks are playing really well, but I don’t consider them a serious contender against the Warriors. I’m not sure anyone is a serious contender unless the Warriors have a major injury. The Rockets look old. The window may have shut for them when Paul got hurt in the finals last year. The Thunder may be the 2nd best team in the west or even NBA right now. They have a better team and now deeper bench for the first time in awhile.

    39. Frank

      I would have liked to see the offers on the table before the ACL injury. Kinda feels like we have 1,000,000 shares of Theranos stock in October 2015.

      I think that’s kind of unfair – Theranos was always based on a lie, and then on lies to cover up those lies. KP has actually produced at a very high level already in this league. He will be fine. He has a simple ACL tear without other ligament or cartilage damage that they are taking their time with. The team does not need/want him to come back too early, both in terms of being cautious and also because there’s no benefit in really winning right now. I think we’ll see KP sometime in early-mid March playing 10 min/game initially and then up to 20 min/game in April, just to prove that he’s healthy.

    40. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      KP has actually produced at a very high level already in this league.

      No, he hasn’t. And this is bringing me back to argument after argument of this team between 2011 and 2017. We Knickerbloggers really need to collectively learn how to identify elite players, and on offense, Porzingis is decidedly not one. Upside? Yeah. Unicorn? Sure. Producing at a high level? Fuck and no. Absolutely fucking not.

    41. geo

      12 games in and we’re only tied for 7th in worst record in the league…

      it’s not going to be so easy getting in to the top/bottom 3…

      over the next 20 games we have 8 which are fairly winnable…

      we got some serious tanking to do…thankfully mudiay will be giving us some more minutes in the future…unfortunately though, lance is gonna be out for a while…that’s not good…

    42. Z-man

      @37

      Yeah, KP seems somewhat spoiled and overly-calculating.

      He learned from the best.

      lol

      We’ve got three bottles of scotch ready to be opened all at once on Thanksgiving. Doing a shootout between three Laphroaig labels.

      Sounds great, although I hope you aren’t in charge of cooking Thanksgiving dinner. And stay away from the edibles, not a good mix.

    43. Hubert

      And now Fizdale is gleefully eating crow in support of Porzingis. (I can’t copy link, it’s on the ESPN app if you follow the Knicks.)

      Porzingis has this whole organization by the balls. I’d be genuinely stunned if they have the fortitude to offer him anything less than the max. They might even throw in a no-trade clause.

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Mrs. Lady Jowles’s still-Mormon mother will be in attendance, so it really will be a taste test. If I get her exmo daughters and sons-in-law Myrtle Beach-drunk, I will receive her silent judgment for the rest of my life. We’re some damn-good home cooks around these parts, so there will be no fuckery when it comes to the main courses.

      We’re actually a tincture-only household at this point and we make it ourselves with locally-grown flower. I got tired of having to consume 100+ calories of butter with my sleep aid medicine, and the switch to a smokeless, odorless, low-cal vehicle of delivery has really revolutionized the whole deal for me.

    45. The Infamous Cdiggy

      @47: eh, I think this is just “office politics” that’s being reported on. So far, Perry and Mills (not solely Mills, but with Perry) have demonstrated taking the long view of things.

      Remember: Steph Curry signed an ultimately under-market contract off his rookie deal due to his injury history. And Philly built in protections in their deal for Embiid. I know it’s conventional wisdom to assume the Knicks will make the least prudent decision that’s availed to them, but I have enough comfort in Perry to entertain the thought that they just might be smart with Porzingis’ next contract.

    46. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Porzingis has a reputation to guard. It’s his right to do so, and if I were him, I’d be watching my future earning potential like a hawk. Fizdale shouldn’t comment on his recovery beyond the doctors’ prognoses that have been made public. Given Fizdale’s reputation as a players’ coach, it appears that it was an unintended foot-in-mouth thing, and by “foot” I mean a single digit of his smallest toe. It’s not that big a deal. He should apologize to Porzingis in private and move on.

    47. geo

      the switch to a smokeless, odorless, low-cal vehicle of delivery has really revolutionized the whole deal for me.

      candies are a big deal…very discreet…also, very powerful…i’ve started to get away from chocolate and gravitate more towards gummies and hard candies…chocolate can be tough to maintain its consistency – particularly if you have to carry it in your pocket for more than a few moments :)

      reference zion – i hope he’s not an ankle injury and one too many in-and-out burgers away from being eddie curry…you can have freakish athletic ability – but, you also need to have freakish health and luck…particularly with being able to generate that kind of power…

      it was surprising to see how well he handled the ball…

    48. swiftandabundant

      I really get annoyed at the KP is spoiled narrative that some fans have about him. Its all based on one incident. Him skipping an exit meeting. Shouldn’t we be thanking him for the rest of our lives for skipping that meeting with Phil? Phil was a disaster and KP knew it. He didn’t want to put up with his BS and by skipping that meeting, it pissed Phil off, who then wanted to trade him and Dolan finally had enough and fired Phil. We should thank our lucky stars KP had the balls to stand up to Phil and skip that meeting.

    49. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      You guys can worry about if KP is spoiled/healthy all year. I more care about if Boston is a juggernaut or not, if Sacramento hands Boston an excellent pick, and who of the 3DF is the most likely Knick.

    50. Ntilakilla

      The Theranos analogy is still an inaccurate one. That company was running a glorified Ponzi scheme with no actual substance to sell beyond the idea of product that didn’t actually exist. Whether you think KP will be elite or not in the future, the fact is that he has actually produced at league average with flashes of potential. No, I’d rather compare his NBA value to Tesla right now – he seems to present a bold look into the future that could redefine the field but there are definite production delays and performance issues under a questionable management which make one wonder if his stock is woefully overvalued at the present moment. Just like observers are wondering if Tesla will be the next Ford or DeLorean we’re left wondering if KP will be the next Dirk or a broke down Bargiani.

    51. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      That company was running a glorified Ponzi scheme with no actual substance to sell beyond the idea of product that didn’t actually exist.

      Turns out that all metaphors break down if you scrutinize them enough.

      My point was that Theranos had a product that could produce results, but functioned far worse than their claims suggested. Porzingis has a reputation as a guy who should be making All-NBA teams, but even a cursory glance at his stats shows that’s not even close to the case.

      Perhaps if Theranos had raised another $500M, they would have cut their failure rate by 90% and produced a revolutionary product. (Probably not.) Perhaps if we give Porzingis a supermax, he’ll turn into an MVP candidate. (But, y’know… probably not.)

    52. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      From the world of CTE Ball:

      Dez Bryant signs with Saints, tears Achilles less than a week later. Brutal.

    53. Ntilakilla

      My point was that Theranos had a product that could produce results, but functioned far worse than their claims suggested.

      But they never had that product which *could* produce results. Most of the blood tests Thernos’ people sampled were graded not by their proprietary lab-on-a-chip technology, but by routine commercially available equipment your or I could buy. Shit, many of the blood samples they extracted were from basic needles. Theranos was actually charging for a service that didn’t exist.

      The reason why I am getting bogged in this specific point is because I do think the underlying thrust of your stock analogy is correct but the example is wrong. KP’s basketball trajectory reminds me so much of Tesla’s down to even analogous social media bombast you see from Elon Musk designed to appeal to a fanbase for branding purpose. There’s even the same pressure to speed up production now at Tesla the way KP is being pressured to speed up his recovery. To carry the analogy further, the question everyone is betting on is whether or not the product will be worth the hype.

    54. GoNyGoNyGo

      I love Fizdale’s response about KP, that he didn’t realize how far much progress KP has made

      “I didn’t realize he made it out to the track, but I was happy as hell to see that stride! I might go out there with him next time and do power walking. That got me out of the bed when I saw that! But in here he hadn’t done any of that stuff. Me, I’m locked into the gym so I didn’t realize he had taken that step to go to the track, getting that stride in order.”

      The interview

      He goes on to say that they talked and that Kristaps didn’t want anyone to think that he was slacking off. Fizdale kept saying how KP’s been working his butt off and that they’re good.

      One thing I love about Fizdale is that he knows how to communicate with people. I love that about him. I didn’t see the video of KP running, but I saw the photo of him in the air running. That calms a lot of my fears. I just hope he keeps working and works out with the team in the gym but never sees the floor in a game this season.

      Pity about Lance and Courtney both being out with injuries. It hurts our chances, slim as they already were, of trading them. That sucks.

    55. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Okay, I’m backing off the metaphor. I still think Tesla has an outstanding product — if you actually get one.

    56. geo

      Dez Bryant signs with Saints, tears Achilles less than a week later. Brutal.

      that is some pretty fucked up luck right there…

      i had one of those achilles tears once upon a time…one second i was running around the court with a buddy of mine feebly putting up shots on the basket, the next i was on the ground spinning on my butt thinking someone had shot me – it’s really loud…

      did end up getting me out of an unannounced piss test the next day, which pretty much would have ended my military career at the time…

      sometimes bad shit does happen for a reason…

    57. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      No, he hasn’t. And this is bringing me back to argument after argument of this team between 2011 and 2017. We Knickerbloggers really need to collectively learn how to identify elite players, and on offense, Porzingis is decidedly not one. Upside? Yeah. Unicorn? Sure. Producing at a high level? Fuck and no. Absolutely fucking not.

      It’s not just about what’s in the boxscore. It’s about the boxscore, what’s not in the boxscore, the role of the player, and the skillsets of his teammates.

      He’s a 7’3″ 40% 3p shooter; 80% FT shooter; that drags PFs and Cs away from the basket, has the athleticism to score on lobs or put back dunks and can create off the dribble. He has virtually every skill you could want out of a big man other than a really good post game against smaller players (he’s still weak)

      The models don’t capture his contribution to other players by merely being on the floor and generating space for them to penetrate and get more offensive rebounds. They can’t capture how poorly he’s been used or how his own decision making is still poor. And of course they don’t capture that he’s a high level defender in the paint and on help defense.

      He could easily score 15 points a night with at 60 TS%. Then you’d like him better, but that would a monumentally dumb use of his broad skill set.

      He isn’t a Kevin Knox that needs to improve in several areas to be really good, but is young, athletic, and a hard worker so we hope he can get there.

      He’s isn’t Frank that has to improve his 3 point shot, handle, confidence, and ability to shoot when defended.

      KP already has all the skills in high enough quantities.

      1. He has to gets stronger (which is a mortal lock as he matures physically)

      2. He has to be used properly and learn proper shot selection. (one would hope Fizdale will use him better & he’ll learn, but the latter is a question mark)

      3. He has to stay healthy (major risk)

    58. Bruno Almeida

      I see zero reasons for Miami to keep their original color scheme and court, this vice inspired design is amazing.

    59. Grocer

      I’m into that vice look, so nice.

      generating space for them to penetrate and get more offensive rebounds. They can’t capture how poorly he’s been used or how his own decision making is still poor.

      You’re giving me horrible Melo flashbacks. Now I really want to trade KP.

    60. Bruno Almeida

      @66

      Yeah, this is really approaching Melo levels of “everything else is at fault except this dude”. Advanced stats, coaches, front offices and his health.

      The thing is, it might be true that Porzingis could scorw 15 a game in 60 ts% on lower usage, but the fact that he doesn’t and instead has a higher usage with a heavy efficiency drop literally means he should not be a max guy exactly like Jowles and others have been arguing, because true max players are precisely the ones who can maintain very high usage rates and affect the game positively in multiple, efficient ways. There’s a bunch of those guys in the league, and by giving a max to a guy who’s not on this level is effectively limiting the ceiling of your team relative to the teams that do have such stats. If Porzingis’ bad stats are so related to his high usage, then it only shows that his value is limited as a max guy, 1st or 2nd best player on a very good team.

      I just think it can’t be a coincidence that the really good winning teams have multiple “advanced stats darlings” on them while the Knicks have had misused superstars for a decade now and can’t win games.

    61. billybaggs

      KD received a tour of the new Warriors arena today…made some comments about scoring alot of points there. I truly hope that our dream of him running the floor of MSG next season isn’t just a dream. Maybe Kemba Walker is more realistic.

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