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Knicks Morning News (2017.04.27)

  • [NYTimes] Celtics Top Bulls to End Home-Team Slump and Take 3-2 Lead
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:59:04 AM)

    Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley scored 24 points apiece to lead Boston. Also, Bradley Beal had 27 points to fuel Washington’s victory over Atlanta.

  • [NYPost] Kobe Bryant: I’m the proof that Phil and Carmelo have hope
    (Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:07:29 PM)

    Phil Jackson attended the premiere Sunday of the animated movie Kobe Bryant made from his poem “Dear Basketball’’ at the Tribeca Film Festival. Considering the wars Bryant and the Knicks president waged in print and in public back in their Lakers days, maybe there is hope for the Zen Master and Carmelo Anthony. Bryant, who…

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis wants Knicks assistant with him in Latvia
    (Wednesday, April 26, 2017 6:37:50 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis may have lost faith in the direction of the Knicks, but the Latvian certainly believes in assistant Joshua Longstaff.

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    68 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.27)

    1. wetbandit

      What a ridiculously well-written piece, I was almost as angry for Conley (especially after watching that video) almost as much as I enjoyed reading that.

      Also, the latest on Dubin’s podcast GM’ing with other team podcasters, was vs. Miami Heat podcasters. He would be really good as a GM if that’s how things worked. Like, really good. FWIW, Miami doesn’t have a lot to give for Melo, so they came up with a Melo, Lee, 2 2nd rounders, for Tyler Johnson, McRoberts, Josh Richardson, this year’s #14 pick, and two future second rounders. He said the Lakers trade was better, and he probably could do better with another team, but great, great discussion.

    2. djphan

      always been a big conley fan…. ppl lampooned the contract but if you look at all the pg’s that were due to hit free agency from 2017-2019… other than cp3.. he was by far the best one…

    3. bidiong

      That was an amazing game to watch. Kawhi and Conley just went bananas out there. They article was excellent as well.

    4. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Thank You Based Ndour

      I don’t know anything about Hardwood Houdini, but they have Monk as “Best Case: C.J. McCollum” and “Realistic Case: Jamal Murray.”

      Kill me, guys. Kill me now.

    5. swiftandabundant

      Man I really hope if we do draft Monk people will actually give him a chance. The talk on this blog makes it sounds like the dude is a bust/scrub in the making when he’s a top prospect this year and can all ready shoot at an NBA elite level! And he’s only played one year in college! For all we know he could be the best dude in the draft. None of these one and done guards are a sure thing. Monk could easily be a great player for us (or whoever drafts him).

      I’m all ready preparing myself for the LOLKNICKS, this is so Knicksy rants people are gonna say if we pick him and its dumb. He could be really good for all we know. We look at these prospects and whatever their weaknesses are we assume that’s who they’re gonna be but these are far from finished products.

    6. swiftandabundant

      And Jowles I’m not looking to start shit with you. So lay off!

      Just saying if we end up with Monk we should give him a chance. Hell a good SG would give us the option to deal Lee which could actually yield us a decent player in return (maybe say Rubio?)

    7. DRed

      FWIW, Miami doesn’t have a lot to give for Melo, so they came up with a Melo, Lee, 2 2nd rounders, for Tyler Johnson, McRoberts, Josh Richardson, this year’s #14 pick, and two future second rounders. He said the Lakers trade was better, and he probably could do better with another team, but great, great discussion.

      Wasn’t the Lakers deal something along the lines of Melo for Clarkson & Randle? The fake Miami trade is vastly better

    8. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      He could be really good for all we know.

      Just a reminder that you said basically the same thing about Bargnani in 2013:

      http://knickerblogger.net/is-james-dolan-a-hypocrite-a-by-the-numbers-investigation/#comment-446064

      If Bargnani works out he fills a huge need for us. … Now we don’t know if Bargs will work out or not, but he was brought here not just because his contract ends in 2 years but because in theory he can draw a guy like Hibbert out of the paint and do more damage on offense than Novak and can play more than Camby and is insurance if STAT continutes to not play a lot.

      So, like, maybe not.

      The people who are against the Bargnani trade seem to ignore the fact that of all the players involved in that trade, Bargnani is clearly the best current player and we got him in that deal.

      Yep.

    9. Z-man

      When healthy, Conley is a max player. I think it’s a combo of his health, age, and the crazy new max that made people react. But Conley is very, very good, and a great guy, even if imho he’s not worth $30+ mill per.

    10. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Hell a good SG would give us the option to deal Lee which could actually yield us a decent player in return (maybe say Rubio?)

      Lee is a decent player. He might have been worth his contract this year, surprisingly.

      The problem is that he’s the kind of guy that the Cavs should pay luxury tax dollars to eke out those last few wins toward the “championship zone” of 57+ wins (or whatever the SRS/pt. margin is). He’s not the guy you overpay through his mid-thirties when you’re a 30-40 win team.

    11. DRed

      Jowles there’s a difference between being reasonably sure Bargs was going to keep sucking and being sure a 19 year old kid is going to suck. I wouldn’t draft Monk, but he’s got a better chance of developing into a good NBA player than Bargs did when we traded for him.

    12. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Jowles there’s a difference between being reasonably sure Bargs was going to keep sucking and being sure a 19 year old kid is going to suck. I wouldn’t draft Monk, but he’s got a better chance of developing into a good NBA player than Bargs did when we traded for him.

      Oh, for sure. Monk could become good, but there are better options out there. I’d prefer a player without T. Rex arms, for starters.

    13. swiftandabundant

      Yup. I knew it. Bring up one quote again and again from 4 years ago anytime I express an opinion on this blog. Why am I not surprised.

      Dude I’ve said many times that I was wrong about Bargs. I didn’t advocate for the Bargs trade. no one did. It happened and then I tried to justify it.

      The fact that you keep bringing it up makes you look like an asshole.

    14. swiftandabundant

      And honestly keep the first rounder and that Bargs deal would not have been so bad. If you look at my quote I’m actually not wrong.

      Camby never played and Bargs was better than Novak. So he was the best player in that trade and STAT definitely continued to miss games.

      The logic behind the bargs trade was not completely wrong. It was throwing in a first rounder that made it dumb.

      But seriously, why the fuck do you do this? Are you such an asshole that anytime I express an opinion you disagree with you’re going to bring up a quote from 4 years ago to discredit me? We get it. You’re smarter at basketball than me.

    15. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Bargs was better than Novak

      this is why we can never have nice things

    16. JK47

      Monk might end up being a decent scorer, but he sure as hell looks like a lot of the guys we have had here for the past 15 years: volume scorer who is overrated because POINTZZ, doesn’t play defense, lacks secondary skills. What’s Monk’s best case scenario, a healthy Eric Gordon? That doesn’t seem real exciting to me. He’s Knicksy.

    17. djphan

      dx doesn’t actually project the team picks until much closer to the draft… at least until draft positions are set at least… it’s basically just a ranking…

    18. thenoblefacehumper

      Man I really hope if we do draft Monk people will actually give him a chance. The talk on this blog makes it sounds like the dude is a bust/scrub in the making when he’s a top prospect this year and can all ready shoot at an NBA elite level! And he’s only played one year in college! For all we know he could be the best dude in the draft. None of these one and done guards are a sure thing. Monk could easily be a great player for us (or whoever drafts him).

      If we take Monk I’m going to be really fucking pissed until/unless he plays well, because there are such thing as objective facts. One such objective fact is that players with similar statistical profiles to Malik Monk do not typically translate into good NBA players. Here’s a list of NCAA players since 2009-2010 with Monk’s TRB/AST/STL rates or lower. You see how the best NBA player on there is Doron Lamb? Picking Malik Monk would be a shitty idea, so people should absolutely complain about it if it happens.

      Camby never played and Bargs was better than Novak. So he was the best player in that trade and STAT definitely continued to miss games.

      Bruh.

    19. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      volume scoring is inherently valuable

      the future of the league is combo guards who don’t play defense

      Doron Lamb wasn’t that bad, definitely better than Steve Novak

      commits seppuku

    20. JK47

      Camby never played and Bargs was better than Novak. So he was the best player in that trade and STAT definitely continued to miss games.

      The best player in that trade was Jakob Poeltl

    21. Z-man

      I wouldn’t mind having Isaiah Thomas. Or McCollum. And isn’t the jury still out on Murray, who just turned 20?

      And I wouldn’t have minded having James Harden when he was comically bad on defense.

      Monk may not be either of those guys, but he should be a lot better than Doran Lamb.

      That doesn’t mean I’d pick Monk at #7. For the record, I would not. Definitely has “good rotation player but nothing special” written all over him. But in last year’s draft, he’d be a great #7.

    22. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Murray was absolute shite this year, but he was a 19 year old rookie so whatever. No way to know whether he turns out good.

      Weird that Murray is a Nugget because of Carmelo Anthony, the gift that keeps on giving.

    23. DRed

      What you’re hoping for with Monk is something like an evolved version of JJ Reddick, who can create some good 3 point attempts for himself. That would be a very nice player with the 7th/8th pick, but it depends who else is available, and there’s obviously no guarantee that’s what Monk becomes.

    24. Owen

      Too many good posts on this thread.

      I really really really do not want us to draft Malik Monk.

    25. DRed

      I’d say of the guys likely to be available at 7 or 8 Isaacs and Smith (depending on his physical, I guess) and Fox are clearly superior prospects.

    26. geo

      that clippers article definitely cheered me up a bit…always good to shift focus on just how bad some other organizations are and the torment their fans endure…

      melo in a clipper jersey is seeming more and more like destiny…

    27. DRed

      Look at the last Clips game vs Utah. CP3 goes for an efficient 28-4-9 and wrecks counterpart George Hill in a four point loss while his team gives 52 minutes to Raymond Felton, Jamal Crawford and Paul Pierce. It’s not Paul’s fault.

    28. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-chris-paul-los-angeles-clippers-last-days-of-point-god-15136ed190b2

      Good article, but he needs to chill the fuck out on that “all-time” PG list. Stockton somewhere between 8 and 12? Get the fuck out. Isiah Thomas is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. And Nash was an alien being from the near-future, but he shouldn’t be that close to the top.

    29. cgreene

      @33 it is somewhat his fault. Lebron is throwing up 40,9,9 games. He could drag those people over the Jazz w Deandre no doubt in my mind. Dude can’t get out of 1st rd. This isn’t “never won a title”.

    30. Donnie Walsh

      What’s Monk’s best case scenario, a healthy Eric Gordon? That doesn’t seem real exciting

      Healthy Eric Gordon is a very good basketball player. (Mind you, he was also the #7 pick in a strong draft class.) (Mind you, he also had much better college stats than Monk.)

    31. geo

      is ’17 – ’18 the year the roster goes up to 15?

      tried looking this number up, but???

      we have 10 guys currently signed for next year (Ndour not guaranteed)…so, we need to add 5 players, 3 of them will potentially come in the draft…who knows about melo…

      so, we’ll add at least 2 or 3 free agents this off season… with the cap projected at around 102 million and our salary (plus melo) at about 77 million or so – that leaves with about 25 million to spend…

      any interesting free agents anyone is rooting for to be signed: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/

    32. djphan

      i love simmons but cp3 is going to be competing with magic in discussions for best pg ever irregardless of his opinion…

      cp3 to the spurs is a match made in bball nerd heaven…

    33. Frank

      Truth is CP3 doesn’t have good shooters right now. Redick is really good, obviously, but Griffin is not a real 3 point threat, and Mbah a Moute is a complete zero on the offensive end. Austin Rivers was ok from 3 point range this year, but who else on that roster is even an average shooter at this point in their careers?

      And in the playoffs – I’m solidly convinced that if you’ve got a true non shooter amongst your 1-4 positions, it’ll be very hard to score. Teams will zone up the other 4 guys and completely not guard the non shooter. I mean, Mo Harkless shot 35% from 3 and he was still completely ignored by GS, to great effect.

      Now next year – if you surround CP3 with Redick, Melo, another 3/D guy (Courtney Lee?), and DJ, then he’d have many fewer excuses not getting past round 1.

    34. ptmilo

      This team of great shooters and Deandre Jordan has played a lot of possessions without Chris Paul on the floor over the last three years. Over 3400 of them, almost a full season’s worth for an NBA starter. And in those possessions (with or without Blake) they have a net rating of negative 5. You know, like in the range of a what you saw this year from a certain Mecca of perpetual suckitude. Turning a team like that into a playoff team, let alone a late round playoff team, is more than just a tall order.

      You put Paul on the court with Jordan during that period they jump to plus 13, a world beating differential. The guy is a monster player, in some ways the most amazing great player of all time given his size.

    35. ClashFan

      Yeah, ending up with Monk would be a disappointment. I’d root for him and all, but…

      Any way to blame Phil Jackson for the mess that is the current NY Mets? Will the Mets EVER figure out how to handle injuries?

    36. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, it is absurd that Paul has had to deal with this, “I’m not saying, I’m just saying” nonsense his whole career. That’s really the gist of Simmons’ article (which was at least otherwise well-written), “I’m not saying he’s to blame, I’m just saying….”

    37. ess-dog

      Monk reminds me of Jamal Crawford with shorter arms and worse lateral movement. I’m thinking Ntilikina is the safest pick if we stay around 7, but I’m very intrigued by Isaac. I feel like we’ll end up with Markkanen somehow, which isn’t great but could be much worse. Ideal would be moving up and getting Josh Jackson. I think he’s the real deal.

    38. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Chris Paul is so obviously superior to any PG not named Magic or Stockton that anyone who disagrees should have their hot take license revoked

      Those 3 are in a tier of their own wrt productivity at the 1 position.

    39. nosboss

      I think Monk should be given a chance yet it seems like he’s already going to be declared a bust. A lot of guards can’t play D in the NBA, even great ones. Curry, Kyrie, Harden I’m pretty sure Isaiah Thomas ain’t locking anybody up. With that being said I think you got to make Monk a PG in the Nba. This team needs talent in all positions. Every player in the draft has deficiencies.Whose to say a player can learn how to defend in the NBA.Guys who can score and create their own shots are valuable in the league as well, especially in the playoffs.You see that now in the playoffs, some teams like the Bucks, OKC need more guys who can create their own shots.Even though they play different positions I don’t see the difference in wanting an offensively polished player like Hernangomez try to improve and meanwhile it seems like Monk isn’t given a chance on this board by some. On a side not course I would love Fox, Issac, Smith Frank, Monk anyone of those guys would be great,

    40. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      I think Monk should be given a chance yet it seems like he’s already going to be declared a bust.

      That’s not what we do here, bruh. We look at numbers and decide whether he’s an appropriate risk to take with a 7th overall pick. Then, in three years, when the same cadre of “optimists” start talking about how we need to resign him at $15M AAV even though he has a 0.0 VORP and a 0.002 WP48 over his career, we call him a bust.

      The Knicks need to pick productive players with their draft picks. They do not need to pick players that have shitty college numbers. The NBA is much more competitive than the NCAA. They need to pick players who did not struggle against college competition. Because it is the NBA, not the NCAA.

    41. Brian Cronin

      It’s not about giving Monk a chance, it’s just a simple “Do you want the Knicks to draft him?” If your answer is no, then how can you not be disappointed if the Knicks do, indeed, draft him? It’s not like we’re knocking the guy just because he is a Knick, as he isn’t even necessarily going to be a Knick! It’s just that the Knicks have a long history of over-valuing players whose primary skill is scoring (as seen by trading for Derrick Rose just last year) and he’s the biggest example of a player who is likely to be over-valued because of his scoring ability. So naturally, we’re all worried that the Knicks are going to pick him. This is all rather logical stuff here.

    42. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Monk actually has decent enough defensive tools despite his poor size it’s conceivable that he could turn into a Kyle Lowry type where he manages to be a defensive plus despite his deficiencies–he’s very athletic and has good lateral quickness and plays passing lanes well. But he hasn’t shown consistent effort, awareness, or IQ and he always dies on screens. So his defense might be “underrated” insofar as we automatically think he’ll be a poor defender. The big question about Monk, to my mind, is his handle and his vision: that will make or break his ability to play the one, which I think is pretty essential to his development as a good NBA player

      Clyde was an all timer but in the second tier of all time great point guards imo

    43. stratomatic

      Most of the Melo to Boston trade talk has NY getting Crowder. I’m fine with that, but what about adding Avery Bradley? Bradley is a better defender than Lee, still improving, quite a bit younger than him, and can play PG when required. If you land Bradley also, that allows you to move Lee for a quality player and suddenly the team starts coming together. If they could somehow throw in KOQ and come away with Bradley and Crowder and then trade Lee for a PG, that’s a good team while we wait for KP, WH, and our draft pick to develop. In 3 years, those other guys will still be very good (only 26 now) and will have plenty of veteran playoff experience.

    44. thenoblefacehumper

      I think Monk should be given a chance yet it seems like he’s already going to be declared a bust.

      Why do some people seem to think Malik Monk’s career will be dictated by knickerblogger.net comments? If they pick him I’m going to be mad because I don’t think he’ll be good, but that isn’t going to make him any less likely to be good. His shitty NCAA stats can do that all on their own.

    45. stratomatic

      IMO, the key to whether Monk becomes a solid player or bust will be dependent on whether he can defend whatever position he ultimately plays. Nothing about his stats suggests he’s a PG, but a few people I know watched him play regularly tell me he’s a more capable passer than his record suggests. That was just not his role on the team. So maybe he can play some PG. If not, he’ll have to be able to defend SGs. If he can, I think he’ll be a fine player because I have no doubt he’ll be able to score in the NBA. If he can’t guard SG’s, he’ll be a bust. I’d way rather find a real PG though.

    46. Accidentank 2017

      If I’m Phil, the price to trade Melo within the division is higher than it would be to trade him to the Clippers. I need the 2018 Nets pick for starters and everything after that is debatable. Don’t like it? I’ll talk with other teams, but I’m not dealing with Melo 4 times a year for peanuts.

      Jae Crowder for Melo would be hilarious considering we’d have the better player at like 30% of the contract. And I’d still ask for the Celtics’ 2018 pick.

    47. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Considering how badly Carmelo played this year (very badly, although pointzz) and how much worse he’s likely to get over the next few seasons, I’d love for the Nets to think they’ve duped me, just like they thought they duped Boston, Utah, Portland and Atlanta. Sure, it’s a different GM, but any team that’s giving up anything of value for Carmelo Anthony is obviously living in 2007.

    48. stratomatic

      The Clippers don’t have anything I want.

      Boston has a LOT of things I want and I don’t really care which ones they give up.

      I wouldn’t be too concerned about Melo being in the same division. By the time NY is peaking Melo will be done.

    49. dtrickey

      If we can snag either the 2017 pick or the 2018 pick, I would be pretty content with anything else we could get from Boston. Gonna be a long shot though, and I just don’t think PJ has the nous to get it done. By all means though prove me wrong though Phil.

      Also, what a finish to the Raptors v Bucks. Amazing fight back by the Bucks. Just lacked composure in the clutch, but a lot to be excited about with that team. Gotta think they learn a lot from that last minute of play.

    50. yellowboy90

      I am not a big Monk fan but I could see him being a Beal/McCollum type player.
      Also, UK has him listed at 6’3 with a 6’3.5 wingspan. How’s that considered T-Rex arms? His wingspan is an inch shorter than Fox but they’re listed with the same standing reach(8’3).

      Another thing I notice is that before the UK measurements all their other measurements were pretty consistent across the board but the only thing that didn’t translate was the wingspan measurement. I would not be surprise is both Monk and Fox had wingspans near 6’6-6’7 range. Beal had a wingspan of 6’8 and a standing reach of 8’4, one inch shorter than Monk and Fox.

    51. Accidentank 2017

      I’m not worried about Melo killing the Knicks; I’m telling the Celtics that if they believe the final piece to their championship team is on my roster that they have to pay me more than anyone else on the market.

      The Clippers don’t have anything I want, either. Just get me a 3rd team involved and we’ll be fine. I truly believe the T’Wolves with their 2017 pick and Ricky Rubio are exactly what the Knicks need, and if we can get either Cleveland or LAC (if Blake opts in) to give up their stud PF that’s where we should send them.

    52. Accidentank 2017

      Also hard pass on Malik Monk. I hope Philly or Orlando takes him so we don’t have to.

    53. yellowboy90

      See the problem I am having with Melo trades is him wanting to make Phil look foolish by making sure his new team doesn’t give up much in return. I know Phil doesn’t really need help making himself look foolish in trades but if Melo wants to couldn’t he do the opposite of what he did to come to NY?

    54. KnickfaninNJ

      The Clippers don’t have anything I want, either.

      This doesn’t mean we can easily add a third team. The Clipper don’t have much that anyone wants, at least that they are willing to give up.

      Actually, I think they should have traded Paul early this past season, the way the Kings traded Boogie. They would have gotten some value for him, and avoid the coming financial bill of resigning him, which will probably put them over the cap for years and continuously limit their flexibility. The Clippers seem to be losing team chemistry, and it may be because players are just tired of continual nagging by Paul, so this might have helped team chemistry too. Now it’s too late to trade him.

    55. Accidentank 2017

      The Clippers are underachieving because their roster is littered with trash. It’s not Chris Paul’s fault his back up is Ray Felton and not Seth Curry. It’s not Chris Paul’s fault Jamal Crawford signed a deal paying him 8 figures a year.

      But yes, you’re right. That roster is filled with dreck, which is why we have to get unprotected future 1st round picks for him in any trade.

    56. Grocer

      If Monk’s inefficiency turns out to be a product of youth he’d be a good pick at 7 even with sub-par defense. That’s a high risk bet though, Monk won’t be BPA at 7, even if we stick to backcourt players.

    57. djphan

      the only skill he’s demonstrated is that he can score in volume…. and absent the other skills it may not even translate… there’s really no good reason to pick him….

    58. yellowboy90

      Okay, we really need to start a movement campaigning Dolan to get the Browns F.O. staff to make the move to the NBA.

    59. Brian Cronin

      Giannis is an amazing player, but boy, was that a dumb idea to go for two at that point.

    60. er

      Jae Crowder for Melo would be hilarious considering we’d have the better player at like 30% of the contract.

      Haha Crowder is not better than Melo. Check out his playoff stats, he’s a product of a system

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