Knicks Morning News (2017.03.24)

  • [NYPost] The Knicks are sure playing like a tanking team
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:38:35 PM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — There was no Derrick Rose in the Rose City, nor Carmelo Anthony. Indeed this was Tank City at Moda Center as the Knicks went through the motions of competing Thursday night. They allowed 37 points in the first quarter, trailed by 21 at halftime and predictably fell 110-95 to the hot Trail…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson blows off scouting opportunity for Shaq
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:24:47 PM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — Phil Jackson stayed in Los Angeles after the Knicks departed, didn’t join them here Thursday and won’t in San Antonio on Saturday either. The Knicks president didn’t attend the NCAA Tournament either. According to the Orange County Register, Jackson will attend the unveiling of the Shaquille O’Neal statue in front of the…

  • [NYPost] How Derrick Rose’s free-agent priorities have shifted
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:07:56 AM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — A year and a half ago, Derrick Rose was already anticipating his first foray into NBA free agency, noting the league’s rising contracts and salary cap. For a player coming off a slew of knee injuries, the remark wasn’t well-received in Chicago. Now Rose, just three months from that free agency, said…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony wishes Jeff Hornacek had stood strong
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:41:05 AM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — As every Knick tries to find a reason for the team’s collapse after Christmas, Carmelo Anthony added to the discussion, questioning the flipping back and forth from Jeff Hornacek’s speedy, modern offense to Phil Jackson’s moderately paced triangle. It’s no shocker Anthony indicated he was liking the up-tempo “early offense’’ that Hornacek carried…

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Will Melo, Rose commit to triangle?
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 4:57:11 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Will Melo, Rose commit to triangle?

  • [ESPN] Rose on impending free agency: ‘I want to win’
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:38:59 PM)

    Rose on impending free agency: ‘I want to win’

  • [NYTimes] Trail Blazers 110, Knicks 95: With Three Rookies in the Starting Lineup, the Knicks Fall to the Blazers
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 5:12:03 AM)

    Ron Baker, Mindaugas Kuzminskas and Willy Hernangomez started for the Knicks, who played without Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose.

  • [NY Newsday] Injured Knicks Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony, Lance Thomas sit out in loss to Trail Blazers
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 1:01:59 AM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — The Knicks continue to fall in the standings and improve their chances of getting a better draft pick. You could say it’s by design.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose don’t sound ready to fully commit to triangle next year
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:47:18 PM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose responded differently when they were first asked about the Knicks going all-in on the triangle offense next season. But neither sounded fully committed to the system.

  • [NYDN] Knicks embrace tanking in loss to Portland
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:16:56 PM)

    The Knicks have just one more back-to-back set next month.NBA.

  • [NYDN] Rose open to re-signing with Knicks and committing to triangle
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:56:59 PM)

    With free agency looming and the Knicks open to re-signing the former MVP, Derrick Rose isn’t ruling out any team or system.

  • [NYDN] Dentist sues ex-Knick Larry Johnson over unpaid $2.7G tab
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:02:31 PM)

    The Knicks legend is ducking Sheldon Nadler’s bill for services rendered on credit, the suit alleges.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson will miss chance to scout Sweet 16 stars
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 4:13:10 PM)

    Some of the top draft prospects will be in Memphis Friday night. Not Phil Jackson.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks drop fourth straight game with loss to Trail Blazers
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 12:10:08 AM)

    Damian Lillard led all scorers with 30 points as the Trail Blazers beat the Knicks, 110-95. Kristaps Porzingis had 18 points and nine rebounds in the losing effort.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, Rose, Thomas will miss Thursday’s game against Blazers
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:40:00 PM)

    Knicks forwards Carmelo Anthony and Lance Thomas and guard Derrick Rose will not play in Thursday night’s game against the Trail Blazers, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Wisconsin star Hayes wants no part of New York
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:40:00 PM)

    Wisconsin senior forward Nigel Hayes is no fan of New York City, calling the Big Apple “too big” and “dirty.”

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s game: Knicks at Trail Blazers
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:20:00 PM)

    The Knicks continue their road trip with a matchup against the Trail Blazers at the Moda Center on Thursday night at 10 p.m.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jennings sheds light on the Knicks’ struggles with the triangle
    (Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:30:13 PM)

    Wizards PG Brandon Jennings, who the Knicks waived on Feb. 27, discussed why he wasn’t a fit and explained what went wrong with the team’s offensive strategy during his time in New York.

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    147 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.24)”

    1. The Knicks are currently 1 game ahead of the 4th place Orlando Magic. Now Philly and Orlando are terrible but we might be able to pull this one out if we can keep losing.

    2. This current lottery system is so pathetic.

      Two teams are vying for the 2nd lottery spot – Lakers and Phoenix. They are 1-9 (net rating -12) and 2-8 (net rating -10.2) in their last 10 respectively. 4 teams are vying for the #4 slot (Orlando, NYK, Sac, Philly) with a combined record of 10-30. Surprise, the one team that doesn’t care what their record is because it doesn’t affect their draft position is the Nets — by far the worst team in the league most of the year — they’re 5-5 in their last 10.

      It’s toxic. It’s terrible for the game.

      I still think my adjusted lottery system is best, in which teams get a clear but unpredictable benefit from winning games at the end of the year. TEAMS SHOULD NOT BENEFIT FROM LOSING ON PURPOSE.

    3. The Nets could really help or hurt the #tank — 2 games each against Philly and Orlando coming up. They’ll probably blow out the tankers in all 4, dooming us to the 6-7 pick.

    4. I think Willy Hernangomez is getting exposed a little lately. He may be a little too small to hang with some of the biggest Cs in the league.

    5. I agree that teams should not be rewarded for purposely tanking, certainly nothing beyond a very modest increase in their lottery odds.

      How about a system where the percentages are only slightly weighted, if at all? For example, 30th-26th place record have the same chance, then 25th-20th have a slightly worse (say, 5%) chance, then the 19-15th team have a slightly worse chance (the rest of teams pick in order.)

      Notice I included the 8th playoff seed in the lottery. In fact, you could make an argument that rewarding the lower playoff seeds with higher draft odds would improve play. Maybe give them the same odds as the 30th-25th teams?

      Here’s another idea: a team that drafts #1 is not eligible for a top-5 pick the following year; or a team that drafts in the top-3 is not eligible for a top-5 pick in the following year, or something like that. Just brainstorming here, but that would at least that would eliminate the multiple year tank strategy.

    6. Considering that Willy has just found out what NBA competition is like, I’d give him an off-season of work before coming to that conclusion.

    7. Kansas looks unbeatable. Josh Jackson looks like a #1 pick out there, but the whole team is just ferocious.

    8. I would love Jackson to be picked over Ball, because that would imply that Ball would go #3, and that we would have an ~20-30% of picking him if we were in the 5-6 position.

    9. Deadspin pointed out that the Suns starting lineup yesterday was the youngest in NBA history, and would have been the second youngest squad of the 8 playing in the tourney yesterday.

      #tanklikeyoumeanit

    10. Right now we and Sac have 27 wins while Philly and Orlando have 26. Looking at the schedules for all four teams, this is how many winnable games each team has left. I defined “winnable” as a game they could even conceivably win, like one where they’d be a 6-point underdog or less.

      Orlando: 4
      Philly: 5
      Knicks: 3
      Sacto: 3

    11. Even if draft picks were totally random, the Knicks should be doing what they’re doing right now-playing young guys to take a look at them. That goes for Phoenix as well-why play Bledsoe, who you might trade this offseason and risk him tearing up his knee-instead of taking a look at some kids? You’re not going to make the playoffs.

    12. But the usual “reward” for making the playoffs as an 8-seed is a first round exit and non-lottery status. Wouldn’t it be great if the bubble teams were going all out for that chance at lottery status? Or would you worry that #6-7 seeds might tank to get into that 8th place spot? It’s so weird to think about this!

    13. @13

      The only time any of those 4 play each other is when we play Philly on the last day of the season. I counted that as a winnable game for both teams.

    14. Even if draft picks were totally random, the Knicks should be doing what they’re doing right now-playing young guys to take a look at them.

      I agree.

      The problem is the more I see of them more I realize how far away we are from becoming a serious team. The Knicks have 2 young pieces that will have to get a lot better before actually making an impact and a 1st round draft pick for his year.

      The Blazers have 3-4 solid young players, a few solid young role players, 3 first round draft picks this year, and they may not even make the playoffs this year.

      The Celtics are already a serious team and they are loaded with more and better picks than us.

      It makes you wonder how many years away we are from making a lot of noise. It could be 3-5 more years assuming we don’t do anything stupid. At least Chasson Randle looks like a keeper so far.

    15. I’ve been checking mock drafts more regularly and noticed two interesting trends.

      1) The top 4 has solidified as Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum in almost every mock.
      2) Nobody can agree on picks 5-12. Some have Smith going 5th, some have him going 10th. Same thing with Fox. Ntilikina is as high as 7th and as low as 12th. Isaac is bouncing around too.

    16. My predictions:

      Knicks win 5 of their last however many games. Knock themselves out of high-lottery contention.

      thenoblefacehumper is found face-down in a pool of his own tears and vomit, clutching his prized David Lee jersey. Theo writes his obit.

      Re-sign Derrick Rose to “cap-friendly” deal.

      JK47 jumps off Brooklyn Bridge only to survive and be gravely poisoned by PCBs. Reub calls him a loser while recovering in his hospital bed. (“Sad!”)

      Carmelo Anthony refuses to waive his NTC, claims that he’s looking for another extension so he can “retire a Knick.”

      ruruland is caught committing lewd acts on his own person outside of MSG while wearing a Carmelo Anthony latex mask, is promptly named Assoc. Director of Scouting by James Dolan for his “heroic act of civic duty.”

    17. I’m getting excited that we should, at worst, have our choice of Fox or Ntilikini.
      I’m hoping any teams ahead of us lose their minds and Ball falls to us

    18. If the 3-4 in mocks have us taking Jackson and Tatum, I’d rather slip to 5. Seems like whoever picks second will have the easiest time taking the player leftover from Fultz and Ball.

    19. It’s true the Nets aren’t tanking, but their better recent record probably is also due to their having Lin back from injury

    20. sometimes the worst (knick basketball performance) brings out the best (knickerbloggers)…

      frank: TEAMS SHOULD NOT BENEFIT FROM LOSING ON PURPOSE.

      true, very true…however:

      chrisk06811: we should benefit from losing on purpose. we are losing on purpose, right?

      yep, that kinda seems to be the hope…

      and, then there’s THCJ – percipient as ever…

      lastly, hmmmm – maybe having seven undrafted free agents on your team isn’t such a good strategy…

    21. One thing seems almost certain about this draft, there’s so many different opinions about who is better than whom, that some teams are going to really rue their picks in several years time because someone much better will have been drafted later than their guy.

    22. Would anyone here really be upset if we somehow landed the 3rd or 4th pick and ended up w Jackson? I wouldn’t. He looks great. Can play the 2,3 or 4. Great shooter, good rebounder, great length. What’s the issue?

    23. I like Fox and Isaac more as prospects and they aren’t assholes off the court either. I’d be fine with him if those guys are off the board but he isn’t falling outside the top 3.

      Also as others have mentioned his shooting might be an outlier since his FT% is so bad. Great shooter is not something I would use to describe him.

    24. it’s not going to change… the nature of the nba is very top heavy…. and as long as the draft has a progressive system of rewarding the top few picks (worst record best chance) then it’s going to continue… and it’s not as easy just giving everyone easy odds… having franchises in a deathspiral because they couldn’t get a high lotto pick… like the nets for example… is a very possible thing and places like milwaukee or other cities where it’s tough to land FAs is also going to be a hard sell for owners to agree to….

      it’s not an easy problem to solve… but it is a bit of a problem…. the problem might fix itself if talent sort of flattens out whether it happens organically or through on the court rule changes…

    25. If we wind up at three or four I might look to move down a couple of spots (assuming Ball and Fultz go one two) and pick up another asset from somebody who wants Jackson or Tatum. I’d rather have Fox, Isaac or Frank plus another pick than either of those guys.

    26. My predictions:

      Knicks win 5 of their last however many games. Knock themselves out of high-lottery contention.

      thenoblefacehumper is found face-down in a pool of his own tears and vomit, clutching his prized David Lee jersey. Theo writes his obit.

      Re-sign Derrick Rose to “cap-friendly” deal.

      JK47 jumps off Brooklyn Bridge only to survive and be gravely poisoned by PCBs. Reub calls him a loser while recovering in his hospital bed. (“Sad!”)

      Carmelo Anthony refuses to waive his NTC, claims that he’s looking for another extension so he can “retire a Knick.”

      ruruland is caught committing lewd acts on his own person outside of MSG while wearing a Carmelo Anthony latex mask, is promptly named Assoc. Director of Scouting by James Dolan for his “heroic act of civic duty.”

      pass the bong, please

    27. I think you definitely trade down if Fultz and Ball are off the board if you can get two of Isaac, Frank, Fox, and even Smith or Monk.

    28. thenoblefacehumper is found face-down in a pool of his own tears and vomit, clutching his prized David Lee jersey. Theo writes his obit.

      My jersey collection was mostly accumulated when I was young and naive, and is thus pretty much a who’s who in Knicks disasters. I think I have Houston, Marbury, and Stoudemire.

      Everything else is spot on though.

    29. I know this is a weaknesses video which will makes Fultz’s problems appear bigger than they are, but there are couple red flags I see with him that give me pause:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo

      things that stood out to me:

      his effort level is really, really low.
      gets smothered by NBA defenders.
      when he misses his 3, it’s because it’s short–literally every 3 he pulls up with in this video is short because he never gets his legs into it (incidentally he doesn’t have amazing burst); this is going to be a big problem in the NBA where the 3 pt line is further away from the basket.

      obviously still a top pick but seeing especially the effort level issues and how his game often results in him settling for pull ups gives me pause in comparison to, say, Ball who’s all IQ and team ball and plays at a solid effort level at all times while also having greater range.

      Seems like D’Angelo Russell a bit, though a better prospect than Russell was, imo

    30. On a serious note, do you see any negative impacts of legalization out there at all? I would love to go into a place to browse just like I do in my favorite wine stores, but it doesn’t seem like a reality here in NYC any time soon.

    31. I really don’t see the problem with teams playing a lot of really young players and losing a lot of games. Which would you rather watch… old scrubs win 28 games or young scrubs win 18 games? This also has the effect of making the playoffs more competitive as bad teams dump their few good players for cheap to better teams.

      It is already so damn hard to get better in the NBA. You take away the lottery as a tool, you’re gonna have decently run teams that have a couple bad luck moments and spend 30 years missing the playoffs.

      The entirety of the problem circles back to the maximum individual salary. It’s the max salary + bird rights + restricted free agency that MAKE high lotto picks so valuable. You draft a superstar, like lebron, you save more than $100m in salary vs. if there was no true max. Even with guys who werne’t quite as good such as Wade, you probably approach $100m in savings.

      Take away all that value, and suddenly it doesn’t matter all that much whether you draft a superstar or not because he’s gonna get a salary == his value after four years.

      But the NBA likes having its stars on good teams, and the max salary does a good job of ensuring that.

      How do you achieve all of these goals — a clear path for teams to follow if they have bad luck or make some bad choices while also discouraging tanking to some degree and keeping stars on good teams?

      You don’t want to eliminate incentives. You just want to make them less extreme. The best solution IMO starts with decoupling the cap from player salary. Make a sliding scale where if you re-sign your own player, the larger his salary, the less of it you actually have to pay and the less counts against the cap. A $50m/year player might get you a 15% discount whereas a $5m/year player only 3% with the league covering the difference.

      This would still create the same incentives. They just wouldn’t be as extreme, and that would lower the value of superstars, lowering the incentive to tank.

    32. I know this is a weaknesses video which will makes Fultz’s problems appear bigger than they are, but there are couple red flags I see with him that give me pause:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo

      things that stood out to me:

      his effort level is really, really low.
      gets smothered by NBA defenders.
      when he misses his 3, it’s because it’s short–literally every 3 he pulls up with in this video is short because he never gets his legs into it (incidentally he doesn’t have amazing burst); this is going to be a big problem in the NBA where the 3 pt line is further away from the basket.

      obviously still a top pick but seeing especially the effort level issues and how his game often results in him settling for pull ups gives me pause in comparison to, say, Ball who’s all IQ and team ball and plays at a solid effort level at all times while also having greater range.

      Seems like D’Angelo Russell a bit, though a better prospect than Russell was, imo

      I’m not super worried about effort level- he did put up a 9.0 TRB% which is tough to do as a point if you’re not trying. He didn’t defend much (neither did the rest of the team) but the tools are there to be at least a decent defender. My worry with him is that he’s a little Marbury-esque in that he has a tendency to pound the ball rather than run sets. That could be just a side effect of playing on a team without a lot of talent or it could just be his DNA. He shot 41% from three so not too worried about that- he’ll get used to the distance. And while he doesn’t have a lightening first step like Fox, it’s pretty good and he’s got all the ball-handling tricks- hesitations, crossovers, spin moves- to get him into the lane at the pro level. His game looks the most NBA-ready of anybody though I think Ball’s basketball IQ will ultimately make him the better pro.

    33. I’m more an edibles guy. I care too much about my lungs.

      On a serious note, do you see any negative impacts of legalization out there at all? I would love to go into a place to browse just like I do in my favorite wine stores, but it doesn’t seem like a reality here in NYC any time soon.

      oh yeah baby, finally some stuff i have a little expertise in…now if we could only work in a little video games and porn – i’d never have to leave this site…

      to be honest z-man…more so than the tax revenue, and hopefully lessening the burden in the judicial and penal system – it’s nice that the “stigma” associated with marijuana use may begin to dissipate over time…

      not a big drinker, but, i’ve always felt a little slighted that the use of alcohol has been so acceptable while cannabis was not…hopefully at some point the term “stoner” and it negative connotation will fade into the past…

      the biggest hurdle now facing the states where cannabis is becoming big business is the fact that because it is still federally illegal it’s pretty much a “cash-only” business which the banks can’t really touch…

      when it involves millions of dollars – dealing in cash only allows for some very negative actions and practices to occur…

      Edit: cannabis 2017 is definitely more focused on edibles/drinks, lotions and laxaticves (just kidding about the last one – i think)…also, vaping is the way to go – very little odor (or waste)…

    34. geo, have the Knicks driven you to this point? Curse that Phil Jackson guy if he’s done this to you!

    35. i actually started at a very young age, too young…environment can definitely play a large role in a young person’s development…

      more power to the folks whom are able to completely “balance” themselves through exercise, family, faith or simply having a very strong mind and will…

      for many of us though – we use “other” means to achieve a state of being we’re more comfortable at…the hope being – that method is not too self destructive…

      totally banal quote, but, it can be true – ‘the things we love the most are most apt to destroy us’…it’s a crazy world out there reub :-)

    36. In that case you probably have more in common with Phil than either of us realized :)

    37. On a serious note, do you see any negative impacts of legalization out there at all? I would love to go into a place to browse just like I do in my favorite wine stores, but it doesn’t seem like a reality here in NYC any time soon.

      None, except the barriers to entry in the marketplace for growers, distributors and vendors, although that’s more an issue of state overreach than decriminalization. The first time I walked into a store (in WA state, before OR legalized), I was like, “Am I in an Apple Store?” Clean, bright, friendly. I’ve never had a negative experience in one, aside from the 25% tax that makes the black market healthy. Prices are 2-3 times higher than friends’ home operations, so I avoid rec. stores.

      I can’t tell you how many times I received questionable (read: possibly tainted) product in my teenage years. I think about the unscrupulous kinds of people who would sell drugs (even cannabis) to a 15-year-old and wonder what kind of stuff I was putting into my lungs. There’s no doubt that the overall quality is higher, and I’m not worried about being robbed by my dealer over $40 of shake (which happened up near the Mid-Hudson Bridge back in ’05 or so).

      Methamphetamine is the problem out here, and is totally unrelated to marijuana use. Of course, the conservatives east of the Cascades would tell you otherwise.

    38. so, i’m guessing then fultz’s knee is really no big deal?…and, any issues he might have would get flagged in any kind of pre-draft workout…

      the nba doesn’t have any kind of consolidated (like the nfl) pre-draft screening does it?

    39. There is one problem created via the legalization of marijuana, big commercial growers are phasing out smaller producers in many legalized states.

    40. Thanks, Jowles. It’s surreal just to think about, after decades of being super-discreet about any purchase or consumption outside of one’s basement. I hope to experience the store thing some day soon, less for the ease of purchase and more for the sights, sounds, and smells.

      I’m in my very upper 50’s and some of the things that have come to pass during my lifetime truly boggle my mind…GPS still amazes me, smartphones, flat-screens, self-driving cars…it’s not quite The Jetsons but getting there. Oh yeah, and advanced b-ball stats, who ever imagined?

      On the other hand, there is the Knicks. Not everything has improved since my childhood.

    41. My wife actually just got her New York State medical marijuana card. It’s a difficult thing to get. She’s going to the dispensary for the first time tomorrow.

    42. I think teams should not be rewarded for purposely losing….except the Knicks. They should be rewarded 10 fold as the suffering of the loyal fan base has been of biblical proportions for most of 4 decades

    43. A buddy of mine just got an NYC card. He has a chronic bowel issue. I think it’s great. It’s made a huge difference in his life.

      Although I have a friend who ruined his life with pot, basically blew his brains out. The kind of thing my parents told me happened to everyone who smoked when I was a teenager. He’s the cautionary tale.

      Never smoked myself but always loved being around others when they did. It’s insane to me that people have gone to jail for smoking it.

    44. in the states where it is for recreational use as well as medical use – it helps a whole lot to have a medicinal use card…you can avoid the humongous sales tax associated with the product…

      plus – it just fun to say: “it’s medication time” :-)

    45. one other concern though regarding cannabis in this day and age – because the industry is moving away from “flowers”/bud and going to a more “general public” friendly edible product – real danger in the packaging and ensuring that it is secured away from any children…very difficult to distinguish it as a controlled substance…

      also, these days a lot of the young people are into the whole “dab” scene – personally using a “rig” and holding a blow torch in your hand while trying to get high doesn’t seem very wise…wax pens and oil cartridge pens are the best way to go…

    46. I smoked pot with Vernon Maxwell a bunch of times when I was in college. He used to snicker at me for being a knicks fan and it rankled because, obviously, I wasn’t going to say shit to Vernon Maxwell.

    47. ORLANDO IS KICKING ASS!!

      This is unnerving. Things are breaking the Knicks’ way big time. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, since I’m beginning to think the tank has real hope behind it.

      Of course, I also am now more depressed than ever about the roster in general, so maybe it balances out enough that I can believe that the tank will actually happen!

    48. I now know why the Nets are so in on George Hill. Look at how decent they are with just above average point guard play from Lin instead of godawful point guard play from the guys they had in place of Lin. If they paired Lin with Hill, they might be a mediocre team as early as next year.

    49. yeah…not a huge transition from us going from trying really hard to win – to full blown tank…

    50. If they paired Lin with Hill, they might be a mediocre team as early as next year.

      That would be quite a problem. Two oft-injured point guards on a shitty team.

    51. That would be quite a problem. Two oft-injured point guards on a shitty team.

      I was thinking more in terms of screwing over Boston’s pick for next year. :)

    52. I was thinking more in terms of screwing over Boston’s pick for next year. :)

      You mean our pick when we trade Kevin Love to them after trading Melo to the Cavs. ;)

    53. Goddamn, De’Aaron Fox is ugly.

      Did De’Aaron steal your lunch money in grade school? You really can’t stand him, can you?

    54. Did De’Aaron steal your lunch money in grade school? You really can’t stand him, can you?

      Not at all. I just realized how ugly he is.

    55. Lonzo seems to really know how to play basketball

      His timing is so impeccable. He patiently waits to strike. Its like he knows where the ball is going to be before it gets there.

    56. The top three guys in the draft are all good three point shooters who struggle a bit (Jackson more than a bit) at the line- odd.

    57. This is a very good game for us. Right now we’re tied for fifth overall pick. Either one of these two PGs could be ours for the taking if you add Fultz and Jackson to the mix.

    58. As good as Fox is he really does have to come up with a 17-18 footer. If he does that his lack of a three point shot won’t matter so much because he will absolutely shred guys on the pnr as long as they can’t sag all the back into the paint. But if he does develop that jump shot he’s going to be really, really good.

    59. Fox is abusing the switch off the screen at will. Lonzo looks like he can’t guard quick PGs. This will be huge down the line in the NBA.

    60. Fox the God

      I’ll be ecstatic if we can nab him with the fifth pick

      How could anyone want Tatum over this guy?

    61. Lonzo is destined to become KP’s teammate. They both take crazy desperation 3s when they’re frustrated on offense.

    62. Ball is not having a good game.

      Let’s hope that a couple of fools think that Fox is better than Ball so he can fall on our lap.

    63. Ball is better but if Fox continues at this pace he should be in the conversation with Fultz and Ball for the #2/3 pick

    64. I can’t believe there’s actually a chance we leapfrog both Orlando and Philly in the lottery, it seems to good to be true!

      let’s fall for Ball and worry about Lavar later.

    65. Lonzo Ball had a pedestrian night because he can’t get that funky ass jumper off against NBA level guards. All of Briscoe, Monk, and Fox will be NBA players and they held Ball in check. Ball still had 8 assists and 3 boards so he can be useful, but he let De’Aaron Fox tear him up (and Fox has no right hand and his coach sucks at Xs and Os). Lonzo Ball looked more like 2016 Jose Calderon than 2002 Jason Kidd.

      Lavar Ball is going to throw somebody under the bus soon. His comments will very likely help Josh Jackson rise to the #2 pick.

    66. I think the bad news is you have to figure Fox won’t last past four. Just as bad, Monk had a good game so he’ll probably stay on Phil’s radar. Really disappointing game by Ball- he was a no show in the second half. He was limping towards the end of the game so I wonder if he got hurt.

    67. As great as Fox was tonight he only had 1 or 2 assists and missed almost every outside shot. Think DRose with defense. This is his second straight game with virtually no assists. I like him but I like Ball’s otherworldly wizardry better.

      It looks like the top 4 is now set with Ball, Fultz, Jackson and Fox in no particular order.

      Btw, Monk is an awesome offensive player and helped himself tonight. He distributes better than Fox does.

      I don’t care much for Leaf or Bam.

    68. Lonzo Ball wasn’t hurt, he’s just not a guy you can expect to light it up on a night to night basis offensively. It’s funny because he has the speed and handle to get to the rim whenever he wants but that jumper is extremely limiting. He tried to shoot and got his shot blocked early in the 2nd half. He did not attempt one jumper after that. Lonzo’s game today was really disappointing and I can’t say I’m surprised. De’Aaron Fox is essentially Iman Shumpert if Shump could finish at the rim, and that is a very tough match up for anybody. The bad news for Lonzo Ball is he’ll be playing Fox level talent for the rest of his life and he needs to adjust.

    69. If this is the top 4 then you’d have to rank Frank and Isaac 5 and 6, ahead of Tatum and Smith. Others may rank them differently but I think that most here would agree with me. Frank is still the greatest mystery of this draft.

    70. DeAaron Fox should have had 7-8 assists but UK’s dumbass offense makes guys pass up open jumpers. There is no reason Malik Monk should be passing up wide open 15 footers. Their offense has no reason or rhyme, and when Fox is in an actual offense where guys shoot when they’re open, you’ll see how his assist totals rise.

    71. I think the bad news is you have to figure Fox won’t last past four. Just as bad, Monk had a good game so he’ll probably stay on Phil’s radar. Really disappointing game by Ball- he was a no show in the second half. He was limping towards the end of the game so I wonder if he got hurt.

      Yeah, the “worst” case scenario that I could see realistically happening is the Knicks ending up with the #6 pick and taking Monk with Ntilikina and Isaac still on the board (1-5 being Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox and Tatum).

    72. DeAaron Fox did show me he doesn’t have the requisite ball handling to handle a full court press, though. I was watching the UCLA press thinking to myself “Dennis Smith Jr would have dribbled through this no problem.” I have to say that Fox thoroughly outplayed Ball and helped himself tremendously. I’m rooting for Kentucky all the way now and I never root for Kalipari because I hate the way he coaches. DeAaron Fox has quickly become my favorite player in college basketball. He’s a great leader and can flat out take over a game when his team needs him. He made play after play and was involved the entire time. You never had to ask yourself if Fox was on court, and that matters a lot.

    73. I think the bad news is you have to figure Fox won’t last past four. Just as bad, Monk had a good game so he’ll probably stay on Phil’s radar. Really disappointing game by Ball- he was a no show in the second half. He was limping towards the end of the game so I wonder if he got hurt.

      I love watching him, as well. I was bugging everyone last weekend when I was watching the games with my brothers (and all our wives) and I just kept going on and on about Fox. :)

    74. Malik Monk looked pretty meh to me honestly. He scored well but I didn’t feel he was a driving force behind this win as much as he was an accessory to Fox’s great game. Like when the Warriors are going Klay AND Steph make their presence felt. Monk really floated on by more than he made a difference.

    75. Im a UNC alum so im rooting for them but Fox has been my favorite player to watch for a while now. Just so much energy and exuberance on both ends.

      I’m getting higher and higher on Frank but I think he belongs at #6 with Isaac at 5.

      We’re in a good position regardless. I’d be mad if we drafted Monk but even he will be good I think.

    76. There’s no possibility of getting a second top 10 pick in this draft without trading Willy right? Because Fox plus Frank would be a fantastic haul and would make our defense really, really good.

    77. @117

      I think smith is really skilled but his injury + poor defense (even with his steals) give me pause. And his shooting is very streaky, which becomes more of a problem at the NBA.

      That being said I think he should basically be tied for #6 with Frank

    78. We’re gonna trade Melo on draft night to Cleveland, and they’ll send Love to Minnesota for us. In return we’ll get Rubio and their draft pick this year.

    79. @115
      True about Monk but he does defer to his teammates a lot and doesn’t “Melo” the ball. He was content playing the decoy role and spreading the defense and was happy with Fox’s success. Monk is not a selfish player.

    80. There’s no possibility of getting a second top 10 pick in this draft without trading Willy right?

      Pretty much. It is interesting that while I really like a lot of these guys, not a whole lot of them are screaming “star” to me outside the top two guys (Jackson, Fox, Ntilikina and Isaac all could become stars, of course, just that they seem more like very good rotation players than stars). Now adding two of them, though, that’d be amazing.

    81. If Isaiah Thomas, Kemba Walker and Kyrie Irving are stars then Dennis Smith can be one too.

      He shouldn’t be discounted because he’s a special offensive talent.

    82. If Fox develops a jump shot he’s a star- he’s absolutely relentless.

      Definitely, but that’s a big if. If Mudiay developed a jump shot, he‘d be a star. If Tyreke Evans developed a jump shot, he‘d be a star. And so on and so forth. I certainly am not saying he won’t do it, but just that it’s not something I’d bet on. But yes, if he does, he’s a star. If he doesn’t, I’d still take him top six.

    83. If Fox develops a league average jumper he’s probably the best player in the draft

    84. The main thing to worry about Lonzo is that he doesn’t look like he can guard smaller, quicker 1s. He actually handled Monk way better. Makes me wonder if you couldn’t have a “two PG” backcourt with him and another ball-handler in your backcourt. It would do wonders for LA playing him with Russell.

    85. Is it even possible that Ball could drop as low as 4th off of this admittedly poor performance behind Fox, Fultz and Jackson? He really looked putrid tonight.
      Plus his dad Lavar.

    86. Some hilariously bad defense by Wisconsin just now.

      “The only thing that can beat us is a three, so we should play off the guy before he gets past the three point line, right?”

      And they had done such a good job slowing him down until that point.

    87. I think Josh Jackson looks like a future star. Someone is gonna regret passing on him.

      He could be a star, certainly. I think that’s why he goes top three easy. I don’t think he looks quite as “star-like” as the other two guys. But sure, he could be a star. He has a much easier road to stardom than the other guys like Ntilikina, Tatum, Fox, Monk, Isaac and Smith (which is why he’s going top three).

    88. UF wins! UF wins! UF wins!

      discount double check that you Badgers. Anything you can UF can do better. lol.

    89. Josh Jackson’s shot form is no less an issue than Ball’s. He holds the ball so far from his body when he raises up that he’s going to get stripped a ton.

    90. The main thing to worry about Lonzo is that he doesn’t look like he can guard smaller, quicker 1s. He actually handled Monk way better. Makes me wonder if you couldn’t have a “two PG” backcourt with him and another ball-handler in your backcourt. It would do wonders for LA playing him with Russell.

      I think the best fit for him at least early on might be Boston where he can play the two with Thomas or the one with Bradley. Him on Boston would be a tough pill to swallow.

    91. I think the same thing that always happens is happening again: people are overrating tournament play.

      every year it is said, don’t overrate tournament play over entire seasons, and yet it happens every time.

      I love Fox and I would be very happy if the Knicks ended up with him, but Ball had an INCREDIBLE season, has shown extremely high basketball IQ and has checked pretty much every box outside of “maybe he’ll need to rework his shot a bit” and “maybe he won’t be able to guard the fastest guards around” (and well, “he has a crazy father”)

      Id still take the chance on Ball being able to adapt and work through his issues than hope that .542 ts% Fox ever becomes an efficient shooter.

    92. I know its hard to judgw with Monk’s hair but to me Ball and Fox appeared to be the same height. I know it’s not a major deal but would it hurt Ball if he measured in a 6’4 w/shoes?

    93. It is tough to ignore that in two games against NBA caliber defense (though Fox is already probably a better defender than average NBA point guard) he had 11 assists and 11 turnovers. And looked like he gave up in the last 5 minutes of an elimination game. Still, unless Fox puts two more games like this one together I’ll be shocked if he goes ahead of Ball. But if Jackson plays as well as he has for another game or two I won’t be shocked if he does.

    94. lonzo is still a amazing prospect, this one game doesnt change that. not a shot in hell he falls to 4 lmao

    95. But if Jackson plays as well as he has for another game or two I won’t be shocked if he does.

      Agreed. The only chance we have of a change in the top three is if Jackson moves to #2 and Ball to #3. I don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s at least possible. Teams do get swayed by tourney play, whether they should or not.

    96. at this point, I’m hoping people will be swayed so much by tournament play as to ignore Isaac and let him come to the Knicks.

      out of everyone not named Fultz or Ball, I still think he has the highest ceiling, the biggest chance of ever becoming a true superstar, even if he’s not as good as Jackson is now for example.

      the good part in all this is that unless something truly tragic happens, we will get a chance to be excited about a young stud.

    97. the good part in all this is that unless something truly tragic happens, we will get a chance to be excited about a young stud.

      I totally agree, which is why I keep waiting for that other shoe to drop and the Knicks end up with, like, Monk. Monk can play in the NBA, no doubt about it, but, well, come on.

    98. yeah Brian, Kentucky’s run has been really sour for me because I not only hate the team, but I keep hearing the voices in my head telling me that the Knicks decision makers are probably watching Monk closely and he’s rising up in their board.

      as long as it’s not Tatum I can still get excited, but it would be very meh to end up with Monk.

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