NY Daily News: James Dolan has coronavirus, Knicks say he has ‘little to no symptoms’

This is certainly a bit of a surprise:

Knicks owner James Dolan has the coronavirus, according to the team.

“He has been in self-isolation and is experiencing little to no symptoms,” the team said. “He continues to oversee business operations.”

Dolan is 64 years old.

Dolan owns the Madison Square Garden Company, including several live venues and the Rangers. He lives on Long Island, although it’s unclear where he’s been spending his self-isolation.

As they note, his symptoms are mild, so this probably doesn’t matter one way or the other, but it’s still interesting.

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179 thoughts to “NY Daily News: James Dolan has coronavirus, Knicks say he has ‘little to no symptoms’”

  1. Can’t wait for Jimmy’s covid blues!
    Get Well Jimmy !
    We need you strong and healthy to build our dynasty!

  2. Dolan also is paying Garden staff through May rather than just through early April.

    Let him live!

  3. As much as we lament his ownership of the team, I wouldn’t wish this threat on anyone. You could have zero symptoms, not even know you have it, then die. Godspeed, Jim. We need you healthy in body and mind so you can sell the team ;)

    In all seriousness, at 64, he’s in a danger zone. I really do wish a speedy recovery. These are scary times.

    In other thoughts..suddenly I would have zero problems if we landed around 5 in the draft and went Obi then a PG with our 2nd pick. I would absolutely trade the Clips pick and our second rounder to move up and take Haliburton or Anthony. I think those two slide with all the heat around Killian Hayes. Also, Tre Jones is in the draft. So, if we can’t move up for Haliburton or Anthony, I’d have no problem getting him with the Clips pick. And I’d be tickled to death if Vernon Carey is there when we’re up in the 2nd

  4. Totes, I agree 100% about Jimmy D. About the draft picks, I have no clue.

    On another matter, I started listening to the Dunc’d On podcast where they discussed redrafting the 2015 draft. I got to the point where they both described how they had seriously considered naming KP the best pick in the draft. I had to turn it off. It was too depressing.

  5. >I got to the point where they both described how they had seriously considered naming KP the best pick in the draft. <

    lmao

    Towns is a terrific offensive player and a "capable" defender. I've seen it in spurts. He just doesn't seem to care enough about defense to work hard at it for a full game, let alone every night. One being a clear plus defender and the other a clear minus defender makes the gap smaller than it appears even if I would still take Towns. It will be interesting to see whether KP figures out how to be more efficient on offense before Towns decides to actually try on both sides.

    I hope Dolan recovers quickly. I don't think he's a bad guy at his core. I think he has minor mental health issues.

  6. They did both end up with Towns being number one. They both just considered him for the one spot. One of them had another player also in contention as number two, but I didn’t get far enough to find out who that was.

  7. So, if KB was to redraft 2015, how would it look? Based on body of work thus far, plus projected improvement, would the lottery look like this?

    1. Towns
    2. Booker
    3. Harrell
    4. Turner
    5. Porzingis
    6. Holmes
    7. Russell
    8. Wright
    9. Nance
    10. Rosier
    11. Richardson
    12. Oubre
    13. Powell
    14. Cauley-Stein

    I know Booker has been unpopular here, but he got was more efficient this year. It’s hard to argue Porzingis made a bigger leap, especially when you factor in his fragility.

  8. DW, that’s fair in terms of body of work thus far, but I think in terms of expectations for the future, Porzingis would be #2. After a slow start, he had a pretty sustained period of career-best play in pretty big minutes. His shooting efficiency is still erratic, but he is settling in to per 36 numbers of 24-11-3 with elite rim protection, and had some of his best games without Doncic on the floor. His knee is clearly fully healed and he is much, much stronger physically now than he was in NY. There is no reason to project injury on him at this point in time. Sure, it could happen, and is more likely to happen to him than say, Harrell, but hey, Giannis has had some knee issues this year and no one is diminishing his future prospects because of that.

    In a redraft there is no question that no matter who is picking, Porzingis goes 1 or 2, as he should.

  9. **In a redraft there is no question that no matter who is picking, Porzingis goes 1 or 2, as he should.**

    Maybe. I just wonder if he’s done enough to put the injury concerns to bed going forward. Whereas Booker made a tremendous leap efficiency wise this year, has been a #1 option already, and has played 4000 more minutes in the league already.

  10. I suppose you could make an argument for taking Booker, but his defense is truly bad. If he’s not scoring, he’s a net negative. And as a #1 option, he’s not really making his team better. Porzingis may not be suited to be a #1 option on a contender, but he’s looking like a fantastic #2 and is a 2-way player who can impact the game on both ends.

    And I say this as one of Booker’s staunchest defenders on this site, where he has been regularly trashed in the context of his max deal. I have consistently said that the offensive numbers he is putting up at his age are extremely promising and that his deal would probably not be an overpay as time went on. He’s not James Harden yet, but he’s pretty much justifying his salary.

  11. It is pretty shocking how many disappointments and busts that overhyped draft produced.

  12. If we’re still using a rookie scale for contracts, I take Porzingis at 2 easily. If we’re drafting players with their current contracts, I take Turner at 2.

  13. *”It is pretty shocking how many disappointments and busts that overhyped draft produced.”**

    Of the top 12 picks, Towns is the only one still with the team that drafted him. Everyone else was jettisoned for one reason or another.

    (In fact, of the entire first round, only Towns and Booker are still with the teams that drafted them. That’s crazy for a draft that was only 4 drafts ago.)

  14. EDIT – and Turner too. Forgot about him. But still, that’s a lot of guys teams gave up on.

  15. It’s kind of like when I can’t find my cat and I’m worried she might have gotten outside I just rattle her food bag around and she comes out from wherever she’s been hiding

  16. Since it’s a “redraft” I’m assuming we’re not taking contracts into account:

    1. Towns
    2. Booker
    3. Harrell
    4. Russell
    5. Porzingis
    6. Turner
    7. Wright
    8. Powell
    9. Holmes
    10. Nance
    11. Rozier
    12. Oubre
    13. Richardson
    14. Connaughton

    -I’ve thought for a while that SGs get the short shrift from all-in-one metrics (basically because they’re not in position to rack up assists/rebounds) and Booker stands out in that regard. If he’s a legit .600+ TS% on ~30% USG guy, that’s really hard to find and makes his deficiencies easy to build around.

    -There are a few bigs that are objectively more productive than G/Fs, but I’d still pass them up if it’s somewhat close due to positional scarcity. It’s just a lot harder to find productive guards and wings than bigs these days.

    -Porzingis vs Turner is pretty hard and I could be convinced either way. At the end of the day, it’s hard to argue with the fact that Porzingis has the higher ceiling.

    -Fun fact: we traded the draft pick used to draft Harrell for exactly 250 minutes of 38 year old Marcus Camby. I swear every time I think I know every specific instance of Dolan’s Razor rearing its ugly head, I discover a new one.

  17. Harder to find than a 7’3″ PF/C who scores from all 3 zones. rebounds, blocks shots, and lately, passes?

  18. This year was shaping up to be a good lab experiment on the relative value of guards vs. wings vs. bigs. You have a few contending teams that are more big-centric (Bucks, Philly, Lakers somewhat), wing-centric (Clips, even with Kemba, tough call) and guard-centric (Rockets, OKC, Blazers) and then some more traditional well-rounded teams (Raps, Pacers, Nuggets, Utah, Dallas).

  19. Marbury sending 10,000,000 n-95 masks to NY from China!

    (I wonder if he was waiting for Dolan to fall ill before putting his plan in motion?)

  20. ” James Dolan has coronavirus, Knicks say he has ‘little to no symptoms’ ”

    It’s a 2 week incubation period so there is still hope for us

  21. Just watched the 55-pt Jordan disaster. Man, was Patrick awesome that game. The energy in MSG was so ridiculous in those days, can’t imagine that we’ll ever see that again.

  22. they had some game from ’94…not long after I saw charles smith get off the bench to enter the game I changed the channel…

    my biggest takeaway was that the audio and visual quality for television really sucked a couple of decades ago…

  23. This draft is going to be gut-wrenching. LaMelo, Edwards and Wiseman are the only 3 guys that interest me, in that order, and all will likely be long gone by the time we pick. Toppin could be a John Collins-type, maybe even Amar’e -like, but we have Randle in his way. Cole Anthony is more of a combo guard and seems like a backup-level prospect. Hayes and Halliburton have funky shots. Avdija is talented but maybe too soft. Okongwu is raw and looks to have a low ceiling. We don’t need Oturu with Mitch around. Maledon does nothing for me. Mannion seems like an end-of-first round guy. We already have one RJ who can’t shoot.

    Damn.

  24. geo: my biggest takeaway was that the audio and visual quality for television really sucked a couple of decades ago…

    At the time you didn’t notice it!

    I was in a Sam’s club last week and was mesmerized by an OLED big screen TV…it’s incredible how far TV technology has come in 25 years.

  25. This virus is absolutely wild. A family member of mine just tested positive, she’s in her mid-60s. I’m banking that her genetics are too strong to succumb to this (both of her parents went to concentration camps).

    The moral dilemmas are coming to light more now than ever. My dad lives by himself and just herniated his back. I’m not sure how to help him because I live in a hot spot and don’t want to infect him. Life will be so much easier when we can get tests and make smarter moves, but until then…. uncertainty and precautions.

    Also, my dog is going crazy, any tips on maintaining a high energy animal while quarantined?

    Joint of the day to hopefully give people some spiritual energy, because of course, it takes an apocalypse for Jay Electronica to release an album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk-TBouw57M

  26. I hope you guys up in NYC are doing well. I have a niece working at Mt. Sinai (internal medicine). She’s in her late 20’s, but has had some respiratory issues in her life, so we’re worried about her.

    We had an intense thunderstorm early Sunday morning. Our neighborhood got hit real hard, with several large trees going down and knocking out power. Close to us, one tree blocked the south end of our street, one fell into our next door neighbor’s backyard, but worst was one the street behind us.

    That one hit the house and smashed into a 2nd floor bedroom. The whole upper part of the house is bent down at an angle. We don’t know if anyone was hurt…

  27. Hearing we’re interested in resigning Mo Harkless and he’s interested in staying on the Knicks.

    Wish reporters would just say Mo’s agent told me he hopes the Knicks want to pay him.

  28. Marbury sending 10,000,000 n-95 masks to NY from China!

    He’s trying, but officials want confirmation that the interiors will not be smeared with vaseline “for convenient snacking”.

  29. I was in a Sam’s club last week and was mesmerized by an OLED big screen TV…it’s incredible how far TV technology has come in 25 years.

    sam’s club??? stay safe z-man…do you still run anymore?

    haven’t done it yet, but sooner or later probably need to pick up a virtual reality headset…i love gaming, and the two seem to be a good match…

    any one have any suggestions on a VR system and what content/games you might enjoy?

    ***other than porn, cuz, i’ll figure that one out easily on my own :)***

  30. i know a bunch of you all have been talking about harkless (more for his contract) for a couple of years, but, after watching him play – i’d like to keep him…

  31. geo: sam’s club??? stay safe z-man…do you still run anymore?

    Sam’s club is big enough and sparse enough to feel safe, you self-check out after wiping it down

    Yeah, I run every 2-3 days, there’s a paved trail system (old RR beds) right behind my abode. My back is not good, otherwise I’d do it more. When you pass people it’s not quite 6 feet but what the hell….gotta do a little bit of living

  32. Harkless is fine at the right price…something like $3-4 mill per. Certainly not worth $10 mill.

  33. for how long, how many miles, do you listen to audio while you run…what got you in to running in the first place…

    sorry for the questions…i’m worse in person at times…

    i’ll never forget hanging out at some bar with a buddy…we got in to a random conversation with some stranger…he mentioned something that caught my interest (martial arts training for his child) – i started battering him questions…after a minute or two he just looked at me and asked: are you a cop or something?

    my first recognition and reference for your moniker here was your stories of running :)

  34. I guess it depends on what happens to the cap, but Harkless is probably getting more than 3-4 million. He’s a decent wing, and guys who can defend on the wing and hit an open 3 are the kinds of players good teams are always looking for.

  35. you self-check out

    need to remember to do that…also, read some where that ibuprofen/advil may not be the best at this time…need to pick up some tylenol…i love me some advil…

  36. geo: for how long, how many miles, do you listen to audio while you run…what got you in to running in the first place…

    I run like 4 miles at a very slow pace…prob 15 pounds from my fightin’ weight and a sore back (L5 pinched nerve radiculopathy) but good knees and endurance. The trail behind my house runs for lik 15 miles in either direction. I tend to run north towards Yorktown to a very scenic railroad bridge over a reservoir and back. I don’t wear headphones, never have except occasionally when I’m on the cardio machines at the gym.

    My gym has a 12lap:1mile track. Sometimes I would remember how many laps I ran by by counting off Knicks jersey numbers. 1=Amare; 2=LJ/Rory Sparrow; 3=Starks; 4=Darryl Walker, 5-DSjr, etc. etc.

    Trivia questions (NO PEEKING!)
    -Which Knicks jersey # has been worn by the most different players?
    -which two jersey #s between 0/00 and 36 have never been worn?
    -8 jersey #s have only been worn by one Knicks player, can you guess them?
    -Of the 7 Knicks retired numbers, which was worn by the fewest players before being retired?

    Fun fact: In the early ’50s there were 3 players who played for the Knicks but don’t have a number listed in B-Ref. Can you name any of them?

  37. geo…how the hands doing?

    hope you and the missus is well…i hope you’re family is all well too…

    i am lotioning like crazy :)

    i live in so cal close to the desert…hard to describe just how arid the air is here…during the summer i have to water the garden every day or stuff starts dying – fast…i swear i can feel the moisture being sucked out of my body at times…

  38. I don’t wear headphones, never have except occasionally when I’m on the cardio machines at the gym.

    you are my hero!!!

  39. Sometimes I would remember how many laps I ran by by counting off Knicks jersey numbers.

    yeah, that’s really weird – you, should talk someone about that…

    oh, you just did…yeah, second opinion on that particular behavior…yeah, that’s weird…

  40. Z-man: Trivia questions (NO PEEKING!)
    -Which Knicks jersey # has been worn by the most different players?
    -which two jersey #s between 0/00 and 36 have never been worn?
    9 jersey #s have only been worn by one Knicks player, can you guess them?
    -Of the 7 Knicks retired numbers, which was worn by the fewest players before being retired?

    Correction needed

  41. SPOILER ALERT!!!
    Hints to trivia Q’s:
    1) A current Knick has this number, sad to say
    2) They are consecutive odd numbers
    3) 5 were on the team at some point since 2012, none played more than 2 seasons with the team
    4) There is an ironic element to the answer

  42. Harkless ended up starting some games after we got him, if I remember correctly. You know the Knicks said they were making defense a priority at the beginning of the season and I was really skeptical. But they did actually rank 22nd in the league and both Knox and Smith seemed to be improving on defense. Along with Harkless starting and Trier playing very little, maybe they were really walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

  43. geo…doing good here in NorCal…..just hunkered down ….binge watched Season 3 of Ozark this weekend…that was my highlight..

    Started running at the high school track down the street…up to 3 miles every other day…painful…

  44. I have no good guesses re:Jersey numbers. Of the Knicks that I’ve seen play, I feel like #21 has been worn a lot (Charlie Ward, Gerald Wilkins, (Eddie Lee Wilkins?), Ariza I think maybe, I’m sure there are others too. I have no idea if it’s currently worn these days. But I’ll guess that for question #1.

  45. DW, probably a good example of recency bias. by my quick count, 17 jersey numbers have been worn more often than #21 (13 players, including the 4 you mentioned. Other notables: Truck Robinson, Wilson Chandler, Shump, Lou Amundson and Damyean Dotson)

  46. For #3 I’ll guess Metta World Peace. I have no idea what his number was, but I’m sure it was something goofy.

    Also, I’ll guess Bargnani, because I remember everything about him being dumb. He probably wore 69 or something.

  47. **DW, probably a good example of recency bias. by my quick count, 17 jersey numbers have been worn more often than #21 (13 players, including the 4 you mentioned. Other notables: Wilson Chandler, Shump, Lou Amundson and Damyean Dotson)**

    Wow, 17 huh?

    I guess it was a bad guess because Ward was here for a long time so it was “out of circulation”.

    What about #25? That cycles through more. Bill Cartwright certainly wore it, but nobody else comes immediately to mind, which means a bunch off the revolving door guys may have worn it. (I feel that Moochie Norris and Erik Strickland both wore it, maybe even the same year, MAYBE even at the same time, while on the court together. (Memory isn’t what it used to be).

    Edit- oh what about #23. Every wanna be Jordan that ever played wore that number, and since other than Camby no knick was monopolizing it, it must have gotten a lot of wear in the 80s and beyond.

  48. For #4, I have to be honest, I’m not even sure which numbers are retired. I know the players, just not the numbers. I have no idea what people wore pre-1987 when I went to my first game.

    Since the answer is ironic, I’ll guess #33 cause it was the most recent, and therefore the longest in circulation. (and I know it’s retired:)

  49. For #2, this is kind of fun thanks to the hint that they are odd and sequential. I can guess from elimination that it’s 27, 29, yes?

  50. Wait, back in the old days (aka, the Z-Man days:), did players need to wear numbers between 1-12? If so, those numbers will be grossly over-represented. (Also, I think it used to be a rule that all numbers had to align with the refs fingers? So like 0-10 was allowed, then 11-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55 and no more? Maybe that was a school thing or something, but was that an nba thing too?

  51. For #1, only 14 guys wore #25, not a who’s who of Knicks. Other than Derrick Rose, you have to go back to Bill Cartwright to get a better than average player… #23 is slightly better at 17 players. All scrubs except for the carcasses of Truck and Mo Lucas. Still lots of numbers worn more frequently.

  52. *#2 is correct!*

    Nice! That was fun to deduce:)

    So, World Peace and Bargnani are wrong, huh?

    What about Baron Davis? He wore something odd I think.

  53. Donnie Walsh: Wait, back in the old days (aka, the Z-Man days:), did players need to wear numbers between 1-12? If so, those numbers will be grossly over-represented. (Also, I think it used to be a rule that all numbers had to align with the refs fingers? So like 0-10 was allowed, then 11-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55 and no more? Maybe that was a school thing or something, but was that an nba thing too?

    Nah, George Mikan wore #99, Wes Unseld wore #41 (featured in season 3 of The Wire)

    However, lower numbers were generally more popular and numbers with units digits between 0-5 were also more popular, mainly because players tended to keep their numbers from HS/College days where those restrictions were in place.

  54. Scorpio Dragon:
    I mean I could make an argument for 613 for #4 since no one has ever actually wore that number.

    Funny…thing is I don’t think Red ever actually wore that jersey, but ya never know!

  55. **I mean I could make an argument for 613 for #4 since no one has ever actually wore that number.**

    There’s no question asking what’s never been worn.

    Which numbers have only been worn by ONE Knick? (Apparently there are 9 one-and-dones thus far).

  56. Sorry, my bad…Bargs is correct (they should retire that fucker) and MWP shared #51 with the immortal Michael Doleac

  57. Good, Scorpio! Sheed is the only player to have worn #36 (that folled me, I thought that would be more popular!)

  58. Donnie Walsh: Of the 7 Knicks retired numbers, which was worn by the fewest players before being retired?

    I’m answering this question.
    Of the 7 Knicks retired numbers, which was worn by the fewest players before being retired?

    I’m not sure about Question 3 at all.

  59. Scorpio Dragon: I’m answering this question.
    Of the 7 Knicks retired numbers, which was worn by the fewest players before being retired?
    I’m not sure about Question 3 at all.

    Z-man:
    Good, Scorpio! Sheed is the only player to have worn #36 (that folled me, I thought that would be more popular!)

    Though apparently, I can guess my way to some right answers.

  60. Good guess Scorpio but incorrect. Besides Monroe and McGuire, there were 9 other #15’s

  61. “I guess it depends on what happens to the cap, but Harkless is probably getting more than 3-4 million. He’s a decent wing, and guys who can defend on the wing and hit an open 3 are the kinds of players good teams are always looking for.”

    The only problem with this analysis is he CAN’T hit an open three: over 12,000 minutes and 997 attempts he converts at a crisp 32.5%. That legitimately sucks.

    There is zero need for wing players like this on the roster that don’t do anything particularly well and shoot 3’s at what any person would say as poorly

  62. *Good guess Scorpio but incorrect. Besides Monroe and McGuire, there were 9 other #15’s*

    Are you doing all this off the top of your head?

  63. Ian Begley is reporting that the Knicks front office was looking at the trade deadline at a deal with Charlotte that would’ve sent Randle, Smith Jr AND a future 1st rd pick for a package that included Terry Rozier and Malik Monk. Thank God Mills was fired….

  64. Althouth I like Rozier more than Randle and Monk as a prospect WAAY more than DSjr, a first is too much. Maybe if it was this year’s clippers pick and they threw in another second, but beyond that, glad it didn’t happen.

  65. I wouldn’t take Rozier’s contract if you gave it up for free. He’s a scrub who played some good defense during the playoffs that one time. Scrub.

  66. THCJ: Is he any more of a scrub than Randle? Their advanced stats are almost identical and at least Rozier is younger has played reasonably well on a playoff team, especially as an under 24 year old player in 1200+ playoff minutes. He’s a very good perimeter defender and his offense this year is about the same as Randle’s. He plays a position that’s harder to fill (there were PFs galore in the discount bin last year). He shot 40% from 3 on high volume and shot 87% on FTs on a career-high volume. His contract is about the same money and runs the same length and actually decreases by $1m each year. Randle has that team option $4 mill buyout, and if we can’t trade him we either have to keep him at $20 mill or take a $4 mill cap hit.

  67. Randle, Smith Jr AND a future 1st rd pick for a package that included Terry Rozier and Malik Monk.

    That’s gotta just be what Charlotte was asking. I can’t see Perry doing that. Trades are the only thing he’s decent at.

  68. Rozier is younger has played reasonably well on a playoff team,

    Except Rozier (26) is not younger than Randle (25)

  69. *No, the data is from B-ref, I can’t even remember my own phone number!*

    Oh, wow, #5 is the most worn number?? That’s funny. Of all the 27 players that have worn it, the only one I can see it on in my mind’s eye is Tim Thomas.

  70. “With Ntilikina on the floor, the Knicks’ defensive rating was 110.5 (ranked 16th). Without him, the rating was 114.1 (28th).”

    This is a pretty good reason to keep him around I think they were 23rd overall.

  71. Answers:
    1) #5 (27 players, hopefully it will be 28 soon)
    2) #27 and #29
    3) #24 Bill Bradley (maybe the least deserving retired number in the NBA based on career stats, only one all-star appearance, and very few players will have that number in the near future due to Kobe tragedy, DAL retired it already)
    4) #00 Enes Kanter, #28 Andrew Lang; #36 Rasheed Wallace; #46 Dennis Bell; 49 Shandon Anderson; #67 Taj Gibson; #77 Andrea Bargnani; #85 Baron Davis; #91 Mindaugas Kuzminskas

  72. Out of curiosity, I decided to compare Ntilikina to Charlie Ward. I used basketball reference. Ward’s statistics for his first two years were significantly worse than Ntilikina’s numbers for this year and his third year numbers were slightly better than Ntilikina’s third year (this year) but overall very similar. The thing is, Ward was 26 years old in his third season, but Ntilikina is 21. That’s very promising for Ntilikina. See

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Charlie Ward&player_id1_select=Charlie Ward&player_id1=wardch01&y1=1997&player_id2_hint=Frank Ntilikina&player_id2_select=Frank Ntilikina&player_id2=ntilila01&y2=2020

  73. >>>“With Ntilikina on the floor, the Knicks’ defensive rating was 110.5 (ranked 16th). Without him, the rating was 114.1 (28th).”

    This is a pretty good reason to keep him around I think they were 23rd overall.<<

    Obviously, if I was in charge I'd keep him. But given the way this team has been built in recent years and specifically the way they've handled him, if I was him or his agent I'd ask for a trade.

    If I was Dotson I'd want out also.

    Maybe things will different under Rose, but I don't think so. I think they are going to continue to overvalue scoring, athleticism, aggressive shot creation, etc.. and undervalue defense, ball movement, player movement, team oriented thinking, deflections, taking away passing lanes, help defense, and other things that don't hit the boxscore as hard or make as strong a visual impression.

    As a fan I want him to stay and play for the Knicks and as fan I want him to go somewhere where he can be developed and used properly so he can reach his potential.

  74. KnickfaninNJ: Out of curiosity, I decided to compare Ntilikina to Charlie Ward. I used basketball reference. Ward’s statistics for his first two years were significantly worse than Ntilikina’s numbers for this year and his third year numbers were slightly better than Ntilikina’s third year (this year) but overall very similar. The thing is, Ward was 26 years old in his third season, but Ntilikina is 21. That’s very promising for Ntilikina.

    Ward played only 44 minutes his rookie year and less than 700 minutes his second year. His advanced stats in his second year were MUCH better than Frank’s. They continued to be significantly better in year 3, where Ward was essentially a league average player while Frank continued to post a negative BPM and VORP. You can’t really compare based on raw or per36 numbers since Ward played in the WWF-style leage of the ’90’s. Frank would have gotten the shit beat out of him in that era. Ward was a Heisman Trophy winner who wasn’t backing down to anyone.

  75. Frank would have been in college or a Euro league in that era at that age. When he’s 26 he’s going to able to handle that physicality.

    You and I differ on how significant the differences in BPM and VORP are. Yes Ward had better numbers, but those two numbers are quite sensitive to changes in basic stats. So a small difference in the stats that go into them turns into a larger difference in the final stat. I agree Ward was better, but Frank has five seasons to get there and match Ward’s numbers. The amount of expected improvement from age 21 to age 26 is probably much more than that.

  76. KnickfaninNJ: You and I differ on how significant the differences in BPM and VORP are. Yes Ward had better numbers, but those two numbers are quite sensitive to changes in basic stats.

    And lots of folks differed with me at draft time on whether Frank was a good pick. How is that turning out?

    For the record, a difference in WS48-BPM-VORP between .037, -3.2 and -0.4 and 0.99, 0.4 and 1.1 are well beyond “insignificant.” They are the difference between a league average player and a replacement-level player. You can sugar-coat things all you want, but the only argument you can make with any support is that Frank has a long time to catch up.

  77. We agree to differ on how big the advanced stats difference is. As for how is the draft of Frank working out, I would say it’s working out fine. I don’t say that because he’s very good, I say that because getting a role player at that point in the draft is a common outcome, and getting a bust is a significant possibility. I believe we have gotten at least a role player. Just look at the 2015 draft which we just discussed for an example. Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Cauley-Stein, Stanley Johnson, Kaminsky and Winslow were all drafted in the top ten. How many of them would you rather have than Ntilikina?

  78. KnickfaninNJ: I believe we have gotten at least a role player.

    You can believe that, but so far he has been terrible and there has been zero trade interest in him, especially at the $6 million salary he is earning next year.

    KnickfaninNJ: How many of them would you rather have than Ntilikina?

    That’s not the point. There are many here that advocated for drafting some of the players you mentioned over Porzingis. There are many here who advocated for drafting other players over Frank. History has shown that Porzingis was a smart pick and Ntilikina was a dumb pick. If he turns out to be a role player after his rookie contract, who gives a fuck? He will have been grossly overpaid during his entire rookie-scale contract, and will get paid like any role player after that, i.e. either a dime a dozen or stupidly overpaid. There was never any utility to drafting Frank with a lottery pick either now or looking ahead. He never had any trade value and his Bird rights are essentially worthless.

  79. *Just look at the 2015 draft which we just discussed for an example. Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Cauley-Stein, Stanley Johnson, Kaminsky and Winslow were all drafted in the top ten. How many of them would you rather have than Ntilikina?*

    Every single player of those 2015 lottery was more productive than Frank was in their respective 3rd years with the lone possible exception of Mudiay, who is historically terrible, like Frank.

    Ntilikina even has the worst D-rating of the bunch, which may not be that indicative of his defense, but makes him 0 for everything in measuring up against these people, which is not good.

    In fact, since defense is the one thing that makes people even consider keeping him on a basketball court, it is a great question to ask “would you rather have Stanley Johnson or Frank Ntilikina?” because Stanley Johnson was terrible on offense and strong on defense and was better than Frank in TS%, D-Rating, O-Rating, PER, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, And VORP. And the Pistons still didn’t want him when his rookie contract was over.

    So, I’ll agree to agree with Z-Man.

  80. KnickfaninNJ: We agree to differ on how big the advanced stats difference is.

    We can also agree to differ on whether 12 inches equals 1 foot. The fact is that there’s a big difference, there’s really nothing to dispute.

  81. Look, I hope that Frank turns the corner next year on his way to becoming an all-star in a Knicks uniform. Even if he could just put up a .560 TS% on good volume and become a better rebounder, he’s a decent rotation piece on the right salary, albeit of the dime-a-dozen variety. But to be happy that we drafted him based on what he has shown thus far is ludicrous. It’s squinting and wishful thinking to the max.

  82. Ward’s statistics for his first two years were significantly worse than Ntilikina’s numbers for this year and his third year numbers were slightly better than Ntilikina’s third year (this year) but overall very similar.

    You and I differ on how significant the differences in BPM and VORP are. Yes Ward had better numbers,

    Lol

  83. Frank Ntilikina ranks 55th in VORP of 56 players in the 2017 draft class who have seen an NBA floor. He was picked before all but 7 of them. God awful pick.

    Every offseason some people panic that some smart team is gonna swoop in and steal our stud out from under us, and every offseason I assure them that they should have no fear. Frank Ntilikina has presumably been available at a low cost for a long time. There haven’t been any takers, and there will not be any takers for the last year of a rookie deal that has yielded no production and negligible improvement.

    If a well-run team trades for Ntilikina you all will have the right to laugh at me! I’ll be wrong. I just do not foresee a scenario in which a team trades anything for one year of a guy who will very rarely see the floor for them.

  84. People who like Ntilikina:

    How much do you think he should be paid on his next contract? Years and money, please.

  85. *How much do you think he should be paid on his next contract? Years and money, please.*

    You pretty much have the perfect comp in Stanley Johnson. Johnson has the exact profile as Ntilikina: abhorrent on offense, good on defense. Johnson signed a 2/$7.4mil contract with a 2nd year player option. He isn’t going to live up to that contract. And is going to opt in this year, then be out of the league the next year. Ta-da!

  86. Except that Johnson is a small forward and Ntilikina is a point guard. Stanley Johnson money for Ntilikina would be fine for me?

  87. I have no doubt that they could spend $3.5M better than on Ntilikina, who is still among the worst players in the league despite his precipitous climb to a .497 TS%, but I’m not totally opposed to that contract. Mostly because I don’t think they would spend the money on young, unproven talent. They’d probably spend it on some older veteran for “culture” purposes. I’d rather have a guy at 23 and 24, even if he’s a scrub.

  88. I’d offer Frank something like a 2 1 (team option) at, I dunno, 4 million a year. If Frank is going to become a good player it honestly might not be for another 2-4 seasons. 2 years for a small amount of money lets you keep trying to develop him without getting in the way of making other moves. The Knicks aren’t going to be good next year, so who cares either way about that one. In 2 years maybe we have some young players that have developed and we can attract free agents-you can move 4 million dollars of contract pretty easily if you have to, even if Frank is still awful.

  89. PG was always the 1 position the late 90’s-early 2000’s Knicks were heavily criticized about, Marbury had the famous quote that the Knicks couldn’t win a championship with Childs and Ward at PG. But when you look back at their stats during those years Childs and especially Ward were pretty good players. Ward had a few seasons where he was a way above average player and finished his career as a 36% 3pt shooter which is saying something because when he was drafted his perimeter shot was by far his biggest weakness and it showed his first couple of seasons but he became a very good 3pt shooter as he became the starting PG and the Knicks reached back-to-back conference finals.

    He was also the 26th pick in the draft, when you consider that plus how much he improved year to year Ward is actually one of the most underrated players in recent Knicks history.

  90. i’d give frank the dellavedova deal… avg around 9.5 mil for 4 years…

    you guys got no heart…frank’s one of us :)

  91. I would keep Frank. A 2+1 (team option) at like $4 million a year seems reasonable.

    I keep him for several reasons.

    1. He did improve this year. He still had some injury issues but for the most part played decent minutes throughout the season, both as a starter and off the bench. He played as a PG and off the ball. And he did improve. He had some of his best games as a pro this season. His second season is kind of a wash because of the injuries. And the team IS better on defense when he plays.

    2. He’s a utility player. You can plug Frank into a lot of different line ups. Starting PG, SG, SF…heck you can have him guard 4’s in a pinch and he does fine.

    3. He isn’t selfish. Now up until this year, that often translated into him being too unselfish/scared, but he is a team first guy.

    4. He can be resigned for cheap. He is still young enough that a cheap second contract could end up being crazy value if he takes a leap forward. It could still happen for him.

    5. This is not a completely logical basketball reason but I think its important. The Knicks haven’t resigned a single player they’ve drafted since the 90’s. I guess they did give Nate and David Lee one year contracts but then they shipped them out before that season ended. I think resigning Frank, a defense oriented, team first guy, would show the Knicks are actually committed to team building and developing their players. It would be kind of ironic if Frank is that first guy in forever to get resigned but I think it would be important to do that.

    Frank had some really good games there before the season ended. His confidence this year was so much better. I think the things he’s doing now can soon translate to a real improvement.

  92. Frank is definitely not the most optimal way to spend a 3/$12M or so contract, but I wouldn’t really have a problem giving it to him. There’s not that much opportunity cost involved there. Until we’re actually a decent team, none of this matters much anyway.

    You would just think the Frankophiles would stop and think for a second about why none of the actual decent teams want anything to do with Frank, but whatever.

  93. Until we’re actually a decent team, none of this matters much anyway.

    Yeah, that’s pretty much where I am. We have lots of cap space, not much to spend it on, and we suck, so who cares. As far as good teams not wanting Frank, to whatever extent that’s true, it’s probably because Frank currently sucks.

  94. I think Frank’s a vet minimum guy on his next deal. Like Noah Vonleh was. Maybe you give him a little more so you can add the team option in case he breaks out, something like $3MM for one year with a team option for the 2nd.

  95. You people really know how to party during a pandemic! Have been dying for a Frankfight.

    The number one reason to keep him is that there is a special lady, Tarrytown Practice Facility Stan Account, who would be absolutely devastated if we didn’t. She’s a national treasure. Twitter matters.

    I like Frank and I hope we resign him to a minimal contract. I think he was actually starting to finally show signs of being an NBA basketball player in the last couple of weeks. But no doubt, he has been a horrific disappointment and in any situation where how we spend our money actually mattered we wouldn’t think twice about jettisoning him.

  96. *Except that Johnson is a small forward and Ntilikina is a point guard. Stanley Johnson money for Ntilikina would be fine for me?*

    Would Stanley Johnson production be fine for you too?

    Also, of all those 2015 lottery picks that haven’t panned out, if Frank Ntilikina had put up production like Mario Hezonja did during his 3rd year, his loyal supporters would be having a collective orgasm. A TS% of .544, a WS/48 that went up 100 points from the year before, a positive VORP, a positive DBPM, and even a higher steals rate than Frank has ever put up.

    When he signed here, there was only mild enthusiasm for his one-year deal. Why? Because, despite him being better than Frank, he still wasn’t good. And he wasn’t “our” project to overvalue, so our analytical objectivity wasn’t perverted. We knew he’d probably be bad, and he was, and he bounced to the next town.

  97. Except that Johnson is a small forward and Ntilikina is a point guard.

    Is he a point guard though? Is he?

    He’s really a wing. He hardly ever gets to the line and he generally averages like a 20.0 AST%.

    He’s considered a PG because that was the position that was next to his name when he was drafted but he ain’t fooling me. He’s a PG in name only. He can’t create or orchestrate an offense.

  98. I don’t know Johnson’s stats well, so I can’t comment on his production than Franks. But the market for forwards and point guard is different so I would never compare the two when thinking about an appropriate strategy.

  99. I maintain that Frank will be out of the NBA before he turns 30 and the fact that he was arguably the most debated topic on the board for years will look hilarious in hindsight.

    I wonder what the Jan Vesley wars on wizardsblogger.net were like!

  100. by the time frank is 30 he will have played on several knick playoff teams, and been selected to multiple all defensive teams…

  101. I guess they did give Nate and David Lee one year contracts but then they shipped them out before that season ended.

    I don’t think they count, since those were still their rookie contracts. It was the qualifying offer year of their rookie deal.

  102. I just figured out who actually convinced the Knicks to give out all those bad deals and make those bad trades over the years since Dolan has run the team: CAROLE F’N BASKIN!

    Sorry..quarantine brain made me say it lol

  103. I don’t know what I’m more tired of: quarantine or Ntilikina discussions. I cannot wait until he’s out of the league by 2023.

  104. Also heads up that The Favourite leaves HBO Now tonight. It was marvelous. If you like period dramas, black comedy, strong female leads and some seriously weird cinematography, it’s worth the watch.

  105. Would anyone here have guessed that Elfrid Payton was 6th in the NBA in assists per 36 minutes this season? I certainly would not have.

  106. if payton can stay healthy, he can play…when his legs/back are good elf “hits” his layups pretty consistently…he can get some steals too, and, it’s easy to tell he likes to pass…

    his shot is useless, but, that’s only one part of basketball…a big part, but, just one part…

  107. A few months ago Frank was heading to Europe asap…
    Now we see him playing till 2023 or till he’s 30 yrs old…
    That’s what i call Progress!
    Perverted but still optimistic!

  108. For Me Frank is a bet.
    A very fascinating one.
    If …….Frank will kick ass.
    But If………Frank will suck.
    The odds of staying in the league are up to his will.
    And so far i believe that his will is strong.
    3yrs 20million Dollans by me

  109. The favourite was my pick for Oscar gold. So happy Olivia Coleman won. I loved her since peep show. @thcj, have you seen his first movie dogtooth? Definitely check it out, probably his most twisted film.

  110. Haven’t checked in on KB for a couple of weeks, but hopefully everyone is keeping safe and sane. For those in badly impacted regions, hopefully there is some light at the end of the tunnel and the situations improve. Glad there is still some Knicks convos happening, albeit because Guitar Jimy has caught Rona.

  111. I’m up to episode 11 in season 3 of The Wire. Shit is real.

    Probably the best single episode of the entire series.

  112. KnickerBloggerPowerRankings:
    The favourite was my pick for Oscar gold. So happy Olivia Coleman won. I loved her since peep show. @thcj, have you seen his first movie dogtooth? Definitely check it out, probably his most twisted film.

    Dogtooth started the so called “Greek Weird Wave” one of the very few modern greek stuffs I’m proud of.
    If anyone likes more unconventional movie making such as from Lars Von Trier or Michael Haneke he should check it out.

  113. DRed:
    Would anyone here have guessed that Elfrid Payton was 6th in the NBA in assists per 36 minutes this season?I certainly would not have.

    As one of the few Elfrid Payton endorsers, it doesn’t surprise me. I don’t look at ast/36 much but his AST% is nearly 40%. But the PG position has changed in the modern NBA, I’d argue scoring efficiently is more important than passing even at PG.

  114. dtrickey: Haven’t checked in on KB for a couple of weeks, but hopefully everyone is keeping safe and sane. For those in badly impacted regions, hopefully there is some light at the end of the tunnel and the situations improve. Glad there is still some Knicks convos happening, albeit because Guitar Jimy has caught Rona.

    Well, we’re still arguing about Frank Ntilikina, so not much has changed

  115. How much do you think he should be paid on his next contract?

    4 years, years 3 and 4 team options*, whatever the absolute minimum is for the first two, and decent raises in 3 and 4. If he actually turns the corner then great, you’ve got him cheap. If he doesn’t and you need the roster spot waive him, no big deal. If I were a team interested in pulling him away form the Knicks that’s what I’d offer, and if I’m the Knicks I probably match if nothing else is going on with that roster spot. But then I think that’s a smart, team-friendly deal for any-long shot flyer. It’s dumb to give people a chance and then still have to pay them if they turn out.

    *Or small amounts guaranteed, which ever makes the most since.

  116. elf did 82 games in 2016…the last few years, not so much…

    when his back or legs aren’t right, his play goes way south…

    he’s still young enough to have a good career…even when he hits his layups though, no one is going to really guard him from outside…

  117. I know alot of are high on LaMelo, Hayes, and Edwards. All 3 would be good picks. But, wouldn’t it be just as fortuitous for the Knicks to end up with Obi and Haliburton? The more I think about it, I don’t see a reason NOT to try and land that tandem. Of course, it largely depends on where we land in the lottery, but I feel like we have enoug draft assets going forward that we can afford to make the necessary trades to land those 2. Plus, like him or not, Randle probably has more trade value than we are giving him credit for. I dunno. Maybe I’m biased, but I would be tickled to see Obi and Haliburton on the Knicks. And who knows? Maybe Knox continues his defensive development and shows he can handle the SF. I doubt it honestly, but we still have Iggy- whom I expect to be ready to contribute whenever the next season starts.

    We’re not really in that bad a spot. Sure, the top to bottom talent isn’t great, but the cupboard isn’t bare at all.

  118. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats: I know alot of are high on LaMelo, Hayes, and Edwards. All 3 would be good picks. But, wouldn’t it be just as fortuitous for the Knicks to end up with Obi and Haliburton?

    Wiseman is my #3, and by a pretty wide margin.

  119. Given Mitch’s presence, I’m not sure about adding Wiseman. Don’t get me wrong, Wiseman is VERY talented. I just haven’t seen enough of him to be completely sold on the idea of him turning that talent into a dominant player. But if he is the player we think he can be, he and Mitch would be a helluva 1-2 punch in the middle. Even better, we could package Mitch if we wanted to fill other holes or get more premium draft capital. What’s hard for me is because of his eligibility issues and competition he played against when he did play, Wiseman is probably the biggest unknown of the lottery. Still, that being said, you will get no complaints from me if we roll the dice on him- he’s extremely talented.

  120. Important question about my current moral quandary:

    As a statistically-based community, are we ok accepting the conclusion that Carol Baskin fed her husband to the tigers?

  121. Jowles, for me “The Favorite” was a very well made film that I would only watch once. I “enjoyed” it for what it was but found it to be an uncomfortable viewing experience. I guess I just have a hard time watching movies where everyone is unlikeable.

    But if we’re recommending HBO stuff. I REALLY love My Brilliant Friend. I think its one of the best pieces of TV made in the last few years. Also, if you like The Wire, The Deuce is really enjoyable and I’m also really liking “The Plot Against America” so far. Both David Simon shows.

  122. >If he turns out to be a role player after his rookie contract, who gives a fuck? He will have been grossly overpaid during his entire rookie-scale contract,<

    This is one of the arguments I have been making against the current draft.

    Most of the players are so young and raw, you often don't get good value out of the rookie contract anymore like in the old days. Even if you do get a very promising player, you often have to extend and max him out long before you know whether the potential he's showing warrants the risk of an extension.

    I know the counter is that you can always draft productive 21-22 year old players that are physically mature and probably ready to contribute in season 1, but that's not where you are likely to hit a home run.

    I think the issue with Frank is that it was always fairly clear he was a project on offense coming in.

    Initially, I was dead set against it. I remember saying if he can't score in France he's not going to score at all in the NBA. I warmed up later after I read some articles about his workouts (which I was foolish enough to believe might mean something).

    When you are drafting long term projects like him in the lottery it's tough to get good value on the rookie contract. What you are hoping is that he starts breaking out at the very end of it.

    If he breaks out next year, it may have been worth it. If not, it won't be our worst mistake.

  123. Knew Your Nicks: Dogtooth started the so called “Greek Weird Wave” one of the very few modern greek stuffs I’m proud of.
    If anyone likes more unconventional movie making such as from Lars Von Trier or Michael Haneke he should check it out.

    Oh man, the term Greek Weird Wave is my new favorite thing. I’ll have to dig deeper, thanks for the tip!

  124. Knew Your Nicks: Dogtooth started the so called “Greek Weird Wave” one of the very few modern greek stuffs I’m proud of.
    If anyone likes more unconventional movie making such as from Lars Von Trier or Michael Haneke he should check it out.

    I LOVE Lars Von Trier, Melancholia is my favorite movie. So I’ll definitely check that out. Thanks for the recommendation!

  125. The idea that there has been no trade in interest in Frank is more garbage.

    Orlando was mentioned after his showing in France and then Orlando, Detroit, and the Suns again before the trade deadline, There were also reports of other teams that were interested because he was plus defender and they were wiling to take a look for a year to two to see if he could develop further on offense. That’s basically what any sensible “young” rebuilding team would do (which basically eliminates the Knicks).

    You know you already have a pus defender. So it’s a 1-2 year flyer to improve one side of his game to neutral and become a plus overall player. It’s not like Knox where he’s bad on both sides and could turn out to be totally useless.

    We wouldn’t have gotten back a top 10 pick, but there’s still plenty of interest among young teams.

    Not being dumb enough to take back garbage for a plus defender that the team has consistently played better with on the court because of his off stas sheet contributions is the only smart thing Mills did in his entire career with the organization. That’s not even saying that much because at best he’s likely just going to very good role player on a very good team some day. But the main point is that there’s a market.

  126. **”The idea that there has been no trade in interest in Frank is more garbage. Orlando was mentioned after his showing in France and then Orlando, Detroit, and the Suns again before the trade deadline, There were also reports of other teams that were interested because he was plus defender… there’s still plenty of interest among young teams. Not being dumb enough to take back garbage for a plus defender… But the main point is that there’s a market.”**

    It sounds like there is a market, but the market is for garbage. That’s the “main point” of everything you wrote just now, as you stated repeatedly.

    “Trade for garbage” is the definition of an absence of a market.

  127. Stratomatic: Frequently wrong, but never in doubt: But the main point is that there’s a market.

    There is a market for every player in the NBA. The question is, what do you have to do to make a trade? Do you have to include a 2nd rounder? Is it part of a bigger deal?

    Bottom line re: Frank is that there is no indication whatsoever that any team was willing to give up anything of equal value (for example, an early 2nd rounder, which is probably the most that Frank is worth). No one has seen anything that indicates that a team was ever willing to give up a late first rounder for him, most likely because of the combination of Frank’s absolutely putrid play on offense and his $5 mill rookie-scale commitment. It is incredibly disingenuous for you to keep suggesting that there was a “market” for Frank.

  128. Stratomatic: Frequently wrong, but never in doubt: Not being dumb enough to take back garbage for a plus defender that the team has consistently played better with on the court because of his off stas sheet contributions is the only smart thing Mills did in his entire career with the organization.

    You can find these guys at the vet’s minimum any time you want. You can find better if you’re willing to pay a slight premium but less than Frank’s $5 mill per. Late second rounders can be bought, so no sense in trading for those. I would take any pick in the top-40 even in a weak draft for Frank and consider it a fair deal.

  129. When a light illuminates darkness, it can at first be offensive – we get comfortable in the dark, unable to see. But once our eyes adjust, we realize just how much we could not see.

    or

    There are conditions worse than being unable to see, and that is imagining one sees.

    my money is on frank…

  130. DRed:
    I forgot we picked up Frank’s option so he’s under contract for next year.

    Yeah, at a cool $6.2 million.

  131. geo:
    When a light illuminates darkness, it can at first be offensive – we get comfortable in the dark, unable to see. But once our eyes adjust, we realize just how much we could not see.

    or

    There are conditions worse than being unable to see, and that is imagining one sees.

    my money is on frank…

    Your NON-24 is acting up, isn’t it? Or are you just ODing on your glaucoma meds again?

  132. The idea that there has been no trade in interest in Frank is more garbage.

    Not being dumb enough to take back garbage

    If, by your own admission, we could only get back “garbage,” that means there is no trade interest. Thanks for playing!

  133. that’s a big overpay, but we don’t need to save money. we don’t need cap space or roster spots.

  134. DRed:
    that’s a big overpay, but we don’t need to save money.we don’t need cap space or roster spots.

    Oh, for sure we have nothing to lose with keeping Frank and DSjr (an even worse overpay) so whatever. But there is no value in keeping them unless we anticipate that there is value to their Bird rights or that we can trade them for an asset either separately or in a bigger deal.

  135. thankfully i sleep well (no jinx, no jinx, no jinx)…trouble sleeping is one affliction i am glad to do without…my only problem there is i can’t spend a day in bed like i used to resting up and watching tv/playing games…my stupid back just won’t allow that kind of inactivity anymore…

    i may be ready to switch from my normal beer or two to wine soon…my drinking progression usually doesn’t make it past wine though…when i was going through the kitchen i only found one small bottle of liquor (like a double shot size of vodka) – for emergency purposes…most likely it’ll still be there the next time i clean :)

    i am eating and consuming more weed though…no doubt about that…and, it does make me sleepy…better than those fucking xanax’s though – those fuckers seriously knock me out when i’m coming down off of them…thankfully i’ve been able to keep the xanax bottle shut the last month or so…it’s those little victories in life…

    i see value in frank..after mitch and RJ, maybe the most value on the team going forward (other than the picks of course) – although, hopefully julius won’t play as bad or even worst next year than he did this year…

    i’d wait to see what offers frank gets and do what’s possible to keep him on the team…i like frank on the knicks long term…part due to his skill set, partly due to the competitor the young man is becoming…

    if anything, hell, we need more french guys on the team…

    #buildaroundfrank :)

  136. I’m up to episode 11 in season 3 of The Wire. Shit is real.

    Oh man, I forgot about how much Season 4 is going to specifically mess you up, since it is about the school system. Think about how good Season 3 is for politics and then imagine keeping all of the stuff but also adding the school system in Season 4 (while continuing the cop and drug plots). It’s such a staggering success story of a TV series.

  137. Binge-watching a show like this one is a fascinating experience in and of itself. It’s like a long movie with a lot of intermissions. I’ve watched most of the episodes between 11 PM and 1 AM on my laptop while sipping whatever good stuff I have. It’s pretty brilliant how the chracters’ lives are interwoven in such different backdrops, with McNulty being like 1 person removed from every character. None of the kill-offs or sex scenes seem too gratuitous or contrived (happened a lot in Thrones, especially later in the series.)

  138. I just can’t get upset over Franks $6.2M salary. If you get to pick in the lottery, you just have to pay that price. Of course that means that some rookies get overpaid, but that is league wide. Overall the new rookie salary scale means that the average rookie salary is fairer than it used to be and also probably means there is less money for mid range players. I don’t know what a typical salary for a back up point guard is but it’s probably not too much different from what Frank gets.

    In the Knicks’ scheme of things, Frank is less valuable (in basketball skills and potential, not salary) than Peyton and gets paid less. He’s probably of similar value to Portis and gets paid much less. He earns twice as much as Trier, but probably deserves it based on how many minutes they each get. So even though his pay may seem high to you, it’s not out of whack with other salaries.

  139. Frank’s future is likely not with the Knicks. Remember, he ditched CAA and Rose probably won’t be keen on keeping him around.

  140. KnickfaninNJ:
    I just can’t get upset over Franks $6.2M salary. If you get to pick in the lottery, you just have to pay that price.Of course that means that some rookies get overpaid, but that is league wide. Overall the new rookie salary scale means that the average rookie salary is fairer than it used to be and probably and also probably means there is less money for mid range players.I don’t know what a typical salary for a back up point guard is but it’s probably not too much different from what Frank gets.

    In the Knicks’ scheme of things, Frank is less valuable (in basketball skills and potential, not salary) than Peyton and gets paid less.He’s probably of similar value to Portis and gets paid much less.He earns twice as much as Trier, but probably deserves it based on how many minutes they each get.So even though his pay may seem high to you, it’s not out of whack with other salaries.

    You don’t have to pay that price. There are options. That’s why guys like Bender, Josh Jackson, Okafor, etc. are not with their original teams. Their rookie options were declined and all three were drafted higher than Frank.

  141. I know we don’t have to pay if. I was explaining why I don’t mind paying it.

  142. KnickerBloggerPowerRankings: Oh man, the term Greek Weird Wave is my new favorite thing. I’ll have to dig deeper, thanks for the tip!

    Just watched “Miss Violence”.

    WOW!

    Up there with Dogtooth.
    That’s NOT entertainment.
    That’s Art.

  143. Early Bird: I LOVE Lars Von Trier, Melancholia is my favorite movie.So I’ll definitely check that out. Thanks for the recommendation!

    I’ve stopped on “Antichrist”.
    Must watch Melancholia and his latest ones.
    I LOVE his movies too.

  144. Dang, Adam Schlesinger (of Fountains of Wayne and the guy who co-wrote all of the songs for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend) just died from Coronavirus. Dude was only 52. Ugh.

  145. Bondy reporting Leon Rose is looking into Elton Brand for GM… according to “league sources”… and he’s under contract for next year… would be terrible but I don’t believe it.

  146. ****”I don’t know what a typical salary for a back up point guard is but it’s probably not too much different from what Frank gets.”****

    It’s hard to really find a market price for backup PG in this current NBA for a bunch of reasons like rookie pay scales (a lot of back up pgs are on rookie deals), the fact that some current backup PGs were initially signed to be starting PGs, and the fact that “PG” is rather fungible with positionless basketball being implemented by more and more teams. But as current backup PGs go, here are The price tags:

    Dante Exum: $11,000,000
    Tyus Jones: $8,800,000
    Augustin: $7,200,000
    Hill: $9,500,000
    Mills: $12,000,000
    Schroeder: $17,500,000
    Joseph: $12,400,000
    Clarkson: $12,500,000
    Ish Smith: $6,000,000

  147. Why the hell would Elton Brand even be in consideration? He had no previous experience, hasn’t done anything notable and very probably hurt his team more than he helped, he’s also not a real big name that could be meaningful despite all of this… why? It makes zero sense, why would he leave Philly too for the Knicks?

    I’m going to take this as just a rumor because it’s too stupid to believe, and I want my blissful ignorance to last just a bit longer.

  148. Bondy’s take is that Rose is hoping Brand gets fired. Which….yeah, weird, right? “He’s so great. I hope he gets fired for being a shitty GM!”

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