Knicks Morning News (2017.05.09)

  • [NYDN] Man arrested in robbery of ex-Knick has bail bid blocked
    (Monday, May 08, 2017 3:35:29 PM)

    One of the men arrested for robbing Cleanthony Early got his shot at bail blocked.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis’ hacking scandal muddles Knicks relationship
    (Monday, May 08, 2017 8:13:47 AM)

    The next person who hacks Kristaps Porzingis’ Twitter account needs to be a lot more creative.

  • [NYTimes] Celtics’ Stretch of Futility Gives Wizards Reason to Believe
    (Monday, May 08, 2017 2:01:41 PM)

    Washington’s run helped tie the second-round series, 2-2, and made Boston look vulnerable again.

  • [NYTimes] Stephen Curry Scores 30 Points as the Warriors Sweep the Jazz
    (Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:14:40 AM)

    Draymond Green posted a triple-double, and the Warriors have won both their playoff series in four games.

  • [NYPost] Inside Phil’s early psychological warfare — and what it means for Carmelo
    (Monday, May 08, 2017 9:38:45 PM)

    Late in 2000, their first season together, Kobe Bryant lamented to confidants he never had a private conversation with new Lakers coach Phil Jackson. The only interaction came when Jackson gave Bryant a book to read — “Black Like Me.” The non-fiction classic depicts a white man in the 1960s transforming his skin to pretend…

  • [NY Newsday] May 8, 1970: Knicks win NBA title in wave of emotion fueled by Willis Reed
    (Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39:00 AM)

    It was not a game, but a crusade. From the moment Willis Reed came through a cordon of police to join the warmup, to the moment he was introduced to the standing, cheering multitude, this was a vendetta of emotion.

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    38 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.09)”

    1. If I’m Phil KP is basically untouchable unless a truly ridiculous offer is presented. And that would be 2 lottery picks at least. Is KP worth that? Probably not.

      No one is arguing anything different, however, Ainge just might look at his current roster and might not see a better alternative young skilled shot blocking big than KP. They have IT, so should they bag the #1 pick this year, where do they go to maximize value?

      The facts are Kp has great, but largely unrealized, potential. His 3 point shooting regressed back to his rookie year after a quick 6 weeks to start the season. His health and endurance are still long term questions. His rebounding is awful. He can be handled defensively by 6’8″ types because he has no post game to speak of where he can make the other side pay for going small. Is he Dirk or Brad Sellers? Is anyone really sure?

      The Knicks are desperate for an infusion of young athletic talent. They aren’t one or two pieces away even with KP. Swapping him out for two high lotto picks might be a good allocation of assets.

    2. With Utah losing, are they a potential home for Melo? ’cause, you know, polygamy?

    3. @ 1 – I get that. I really do. But goddamn it I am so sick of trading away or letting go of our young players who have potential. Ariza, Frye, Lee, Nate, Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Lin, Galloway, not to mention the countless draft picks. I know that list is not some all star list but damn it there are NBA players in that list who are playing significant minutes right now in the post season.

      Trading KP, even if its for 2 first round lottery picks just seems like starting over again. And I want to build with what we have! We’re gonna add a top 7 (hopefully) pick this year to our KP/Willie H tandem and 3 young players under 23 who are all hopefully at least average NBA starters is a great place to start. That’s not to mention the 2 second rounders, Ron…and whatever we might be able to muster in a Melo trade, a Lee trade or a KQ trade.

      I truly believe right now is the worst moment but things are about to get a lot better. I think Phil has officially thrown in the hat on the Melo experiment and once he is gone things are going to look A LOT different. There will be no internal pressure to win now. I know Dolan sucks but you know he has remained hands off with Phil even through all the Melo drama, so I truly believe he’s ready to not get involved anymore and Phil can turn this around once Melo is gone.

      PLUS, its not like we gotta trade KP now. His value is high for sure but he’s still got 3 years left on his rookie deal. If he comes out of the gate super strong next season his value will go up even more.

    4. No one is arguing anything different, however,

      Yeah, that’s why I don’t get some of the worry about this – none of us want to trade KP, it’s just that if the Knicks ever actually got an offer of two top lottery picks for KP, that is probably too good of an offer to pass up. Obviously, the Knicks are not going to trade KP, and we’re all cool with that, but if that crazy offer was ever made, I think it would make sense for the team to take it. It won’t be made, but if it ever did…

    5. One week to the lottery. A little bit of luck and all this talk goes away.

    6. If Porzingis was stripped from the Knicks and put back into the draft for this year, where does he go? 1 or 2?

    7. You guys who want to trade Porzingis for two lottery picks need to remember the incredibly high whiff rate, even on top 3 picks. The last 15 players selected in the top 15 were:

      Ben Simmons
      Brandon Ingram
      Jaylen Brown
      Karl Anthony-Towns
      D’Angelo Russell
      Jahlil Okafor
      Andrew Wiggins
      Jabari Parker
      Joel Embiid
      Anthony Bennett
      Victor Oladipo
      Otto Porter
      Anthony Davis
      Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
      Bradley Beal

      There are two hands-down, no doubt franchise players in that group, Davis and Towns. Otto Porter is pretty nice and Bradley Beal just had his best season. The other intriguing players in that group, Simmons and Embiid, carry major injury risk.

      The rest of that list is a bunch of Andrew Wiggins, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Victor Oladipo, Jaylen Brown and other assorted “meh” players. You trade KP for two lotto picks, you’re not likely to hit paydirt on both of them.

    8. If Porzingis was stripped from the Knicks and put back into the draft for this year, where does he go? 1 or 2?

      Stripped from the Knicks so that everyone would have seen his first two seasons as a Knick? And he’d be his current age? #1

    9. in this draft… i might still take fultz over him but i would probably take him #2….

    10. Fultz could very easily be better than him, but KP would have certainty that Fultz doesn’t have.

    11. The Knicks are not exactly known for their great player development. Sure, you could trade KP for two high lotto picks, but those lotto picks are going to come into this same dysfunctional environment where the head coach’s authority is constantly undermined by the team president and his bootlicking bespectacled crony.

    12. JK47 – totally agree, I was about to post the same thing. the alluring potential of a lotto pick is always going to be exciting but KP is one of the highest potential draftees of the last decade. He’s already pretty decent – above average for an NBA starter and he’s only 21. To get decent odds of getting one player as good you’d probably need 3-4 lottery picks…

    13. There are two hands-down, no doubt franchise players in that group, Davis and Towns. Otto Porter is pretty nice and Bradley Beal just had his best season. The other intriguing players in that group, Simmons and Embiid, carry major injury risk.

      OK first of all, I don’t think anyone said 2 random lottery picks. I am no college expert, but I think the bust potential of Fultz and Ball are slim for differing reasons. Fultz has the complete super offensive game and is a willing passer even to horrid teammates while Ball has elite ball distribution skills and takes 93% of his shots either at the rim or behind the arc, He gets it.

      The NBA is a guard/wing dominate league and as long as I am getting an elite PG prospect , KP is on the table.

      In your list you mentioned injury risk. KP’s “unique” physique hasn’t proven to be very durable and he has completely “platzed” the second half of both seasons. He isn’t a riskless proposition either.

      Just sayin….

    14. I agree that the top of this year’s draft is better than most years and the top of next year’s draft looks better than this year’s (with less depth past the top picks) and 2019 has Bagley, so if you’re ever going go for top picks, these three years are the ones to aim for. It’s rare to have a guy like Bagley that you know will be a top pick two years from now.

    15. Fultz could very easily be better than him, but KP would have certainty that Fultz doesn’t have.

      You honestly believe Ball or Fultz have potential to play worse than a .104 ws/48 their first 2 years? I just think a good/really good point guard is more valuable than a 7’3″ small forward (and I’m not being completely facetious when I say that). Honestly, what is the best way to deploy a 7’3″ guy with a sweet long ball and no post game with no endurance?

    16. Easily, honestly. I think it is more likely that they’re studs right out of the gate, but they each carry some risk at playing like Russell. Both are better prospects now than Russell was then, but they could exceed Russell’s play and still be sub .100 for their first two years.

    17. You honestly believe Ball or Fultz have potential to play worse than a .104 ws/48 their first 2 years?

      A 19 year old point guard putting up less than a .104 ws/48? Yeah, I believe that isn’t an unlikely result, even for a very talented rookie.

    18. A 19 year old point guard putting up less than a .104 ws/48? Yeah, I believe that isn’t an unlikely result, even for a very talented rookie.

      For the first TWO years, though, he said. Don’t me wrong, I agree with you that it is not that unlikely, but it is definitely more unlikely that they would be under .100 for both years.

    19. For example, it took John Wall until his 3rd season to do it, and he was at least as highly regarded as Fultz or Ball.

    20. It’s not hard to see how either Fultz or Ball could fail. Fultz had good-not-great numbers at Washington and his lofty draft status is based on the eye test rather than production. Ball has the great production but there are questions (unfounded in my opinion) that his unconventional shooting motion might not work in the NBA. True sure-fire can’t-miss prospects are rare.

    21. well the problem is that there isn’t too big a sample of highly regarded guards coming in at that young of an age… westbrook might be a decent comparable but he didn’t have the college numbers that fultz had and he was not close to being a #1…

      the others are probably rose, harden and irving… and two of the 3 posted ws48s above .100… and i probably rate fultz similar to irving… with harden the best…

    22. For example, it took John Wall until his 3rd season to do it, and he was at least as highly regarded as Fultz or Ball.

      John Wall couldn’t shoot at Kentucky and barely shoots better now. Both Flltz and Ball shoot the 3 ball 9% better than Wall did. Ball’s efficiency is off the charts due to his refined shot selection and long range skill. His eFG% = .668 FFS! vs Wall’s .503

      I’m guessing they’ll both lap Wall in advanced efficiency stats as rookies…..

    23. porzingis is a top 25 asset in the league right now. closer to top 20.

      im certainly not trading him

    24. @hugo… the fact that you call him a top 20 or 25 asset suggests that you would trade him for somewhere between 19 and 24 other players, and that doesn’t even get into packages…

    25. @1 Is he Dirk or Brad Sellers?

      He’s certainly a lot better than Brad Sellers. For example Sellers never averaged 2 blocks a game in any 2 years combined! And this is just one anecdote.

    26. For the record, imo Russell was playing massively better for a stretch late this year and at this point I think he’s almost certain to become a star if he keeps his head on straight.

    27. For the record, imo Russell was playing massively better for a stretch late this year and at this point I think he’s almost certain to become a star if he keeps his head on straight.

      I’m a big Russell fan (well, a fan of his potential, that is), but

      A. Whether you believe he can turn it around and become a star (which I do), he hasn’t done it yet in his first two years
      and
      B. Fultz and Ball are better prospects now than Russell was then, and I liked Russell a lot then.

    28. porzingis is a top 25 asset in the league right now. closer to top 20.

      This is just silly. WS/48 says he in the top 172 . VORP says he’s tied for 100th. Choose your broad based metric other than eyeballometric guesstimation to back up you supposition……

    29. You see, the concept of “asset” accounts for age, and contract, and…. ahhh, nevermind

    30. Wow, you can not have a worse overtime performance than James Harden’s tonight. And without Kawhi on the court.

    31. The Spurs are my favorite team in the NBA. I wonder what they will be like after Pop retires.

    32. @31 that’s honestly a D’Antoni thing. He didn’t tell James to turn the ball over but D’Antoni’s Rockets will live and die by James Harden. They need another guy, like Melo. Just give us Clint Capella and Patrick Beverley.

      Seriously though D’Antoni is a notoriously bad play caller in crunch time.

    33. I dunno if I’d give Berman credit one way or the other, as he’s just quoting an ESPN article about D’Antoni.

    34. Ginobili: A game for the aged.

      Right? Man, I do really enjoy the Spurs, but of the two teams, it seems like only the Rockets can honestly hang with the Warriors (neither team can fully, but you know what I mean) and since I want the Warriors to at least SORT Of have to sweat in the next round, I’d prefer the Rockets to win, but man, the Spurs really are awesome.

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