Knicks Morning News (2017.02.10)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: For Charles Oakley and Knicks, a Long-Simmering Feud Boils Over
    (Friday, February 10, 2017 1:53:11 AM)

    Oakley, a former enforcer who played 10 seasons in New York, and the team owner James L. Dolan had a rocky relationship even before Oakley was arrested.

  • [NYTimes] Phil Jackson’s Latest Twitter Message: Peace
    (Friday, February 10, 2017 2:50:10 AM)

    Two days after signaling his approval of an article critical of Carmelo Anthony, and a day after Charles Oakley’s ejection at the Garden, Jackson weighed in again.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: More coverage of the Oakley situation
    (Friday, February 10, 2017 4:59:43 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: More coverage of the Oakley situation

  • [ESPN] Jackson: Tweet on Melo column ‘misunderstood’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 6:40:22 PM)

    Jackson: Tweet on Melo column ‘misunderstood’

  • [ESPN] NBA players react to Charles Oakley’s arrest
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 3:07:57 PM)

    NBA players react to Charles Oakley’s arrest

  • [ESPN] Oakley: Dolan ‘won’t even shake my hand’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 12:48:22 PM)

    Oakley: Dolan ‘won’t even shake my hand’

  • [ESPN] Former NBA player Jayson Williams defends friend Charles Oakley
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 12:07:18 PM)

    Former NBA player Jayson Williams defends friend Charles Oakley

  • [ESPN] Vote: What should be most concerning for the Knicks?
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:52:19 AM)

    Vote: What should be most concerning for the Knicks?

  • [NYDN] No way for Knicks to win petty battle with beloved Charles Oakley
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:18:14 PM)

    As Charles Oakley was wrestling with Jim Dolan’s security team and being dragged out of Madison Square Garden

  • [NYDN] Paul, Wade and Miller weigh in on Knicks’ treatment of Oakley
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:05:31 PM)

    Any hopes the Knicks might’ve had about getting the free-agent-to-be probably followed Oakley out the door.

  • [NYDN] Oakley: James Dolan has spent years targeting me for harassment
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:57:19 PM)

    Oakley said security guards are under “orders” to alert Garden and team owner James Dolan whenever he is in the building.

  • [NYDN] Rangers fans break out into ‘Free Oakley’ chant at MSG
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:24:36 PM)

    It doesn’t matter which team is playing at the Garden — New Yorkers love Charles Oakley.

  • [NYDN] ‘Once a Knick, always a Knick’ doesn’t apply to Charles Oakley
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 5:02:51 PM)

    “Once a Knick, always a Knick” always has been a pick-and-choose slogan at the Garden anyway.

  • [NYDN] A timeline of the Charles Oakley vs. James Dolan feud
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 4:44:59 PM)

    How did it come to this?

  • [NYDN] Metta World Peace says Knicks fans are to blame for chaos
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 2:26:44 PM)

    Metta World Peace has a reason for the chaotic state of the Knicks, and it’s not James Dolan, Phil Jackson or the underachieving players.

  • [NYDN] Knicks prez Phil Jackson says his Melo tweet was ‘misunderstood’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 1:07:35 PM)

    Phil Jackson just wants everyone to chill out, man.

  • [NYDN] Knicks: Oakley’s claim that Dolan ordered removal ‘pure fiction’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:06:42 AM)

    The Knicks are not backing down.

  • [NYPost] How rift with Knicks and Dolan has left Oakley ‘heartbroken’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:01:58 PM)

    Charles Oakley was in town this week because of another hard-nosed New York sporting legend: Thurman Munson. On Tuesday night, Oakley attended the annual Thurman Munson Dinner at a Midtown hotel, sitting at a major donor table. The event raises money for AHRC NYC Foundation. Oakley, a 2006 Munson winner, attends most years. At every…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis sees another Knicks season falling apart
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 3:32:33 PM)

    After 54 games last season, the Knicks stood at 23-31 and were dysfunctional enough to get coach Derek Fisher fired. This season, the record is even worse: 22-32. The pain and disappointment is even more. “Yeah, it is,” said Kristaps Porzingis, the face of the franchise’s future who is having a tough time wading through…

  • [NYPost] Knicks will never change unless fans revolt, strike where it hurts
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 1:42:53 PM)

    There was a lot of disgust kicking its way around the city Thursday afternoon, darting in and out of the snow drifts, ducking into lunchtime cafeterias and happy-hour saloons. Much of it centered around the Knicks, who know no bounds when it comes to providing outlets for that disenchantment. There was disappointment, too, much of…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson makes belated Carmelo peace offering
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 1:06:23 PM)

    The Zen Master may have just offered a peace pipe to Carmelo Anthony. In a follow-up tweet to his insulting missive Tuesday, Knicks president Phil Jackson indicated Thursday the original was “misunderstood’’ and pleaded for the end to “discord’’ by invoking the Beatles’ peace song “Let it Be.’’ “So after starting a ?[fire] storm with…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson’s stand-in for Carmelo has some tales to tell
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:07:53 AM)

    Michael Graham wants to be very clear: He is not angry at Phil Jackson, who referenced him in a bizarre tweet this week that praised a column written with an anti-Carmelo Anthony tone. Graham said Jackson’s reference actually was a blessing. It got him media attention again, and he was able to get notice for his…

  • [NYPost] Knicks double down on making Charles Oakley the villain
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:02:50 AM)

    Charles Oakley dug in his heels Thursday, maintaining the eruption during the Knicks game at the Garden the previous night that led to his ejection and subsequent arrest resulted from team owner James Dolan’s security people demanding he leave. While Oakley defended himself, Garden brass did the opposite, essentially accusing the ex-Knick of lying, calling…

  • [NYPost] Charles Oakley’s fall from beloved bad boy to Knicks outcast
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:07:24 AM)

    For 10 seasons, Charles Oakley was the heart of the Knicks, but the longtime fan favorite is no longer welcome in the arena he used to call home. On Wednesday night, his feud with the franchise and owner James Dolan hit its lowest note, when security guards handcuffed Oakley — who was sitting a few…

  • [NYPost] What if Dolan’s Rangers were run like the Knicks?
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:58:00 AM)

    In an alternate universe, Glen Sather (@FiveRingsSlats) is impugning Henrik Lundqvist’s character yet again on Twitter, hoping this latest personal attack might be the tipping point in the club president’s campaign to convince the Rangers’ franchise goaltender to waive his no-move clause and accept a trade out of New York. There is a report from…

  • [NY Newsday] Charles Oakley speaks out about skirmish at Knicks game
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:32:45 PM)

    The feud between Charles Oakley and Knicks management continued to swell Thursday as the former Knick told ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith that he had done nothing wrong before being escorted out of the Garden Wednesday night and the Knicks issuing a statement calling his version “pure fiction.”

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson tweets that previous tweet was ‘misunderstood’
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:27:00 PM)

    Phil Jackson tried to clear up his tweet from two days ago that seemed to be a shot at Carmelo Anthony by saying he was “misunderstood” in an emoji-filled tweet Thursday in which he lamented the “discord” in our society.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Oakley Fallout
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 2:35:41 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton react to Wednesday night’s melee involving Charles Oakley at MSG.

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil reacts to column critical of Carmelo with tweet
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:11:34 PM)

    Following the Knicks’ 121-107 loss to the Lakers on Monday night team president Phil Jackson took in practice courtside on Tuesday

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Charles Oakley and the Knicks
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 6:10:35 PM)

    Knicks insider Frank Isola discusses the incident involving Charles Oakley at Madison Square Garden on Daily News Live.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks say Oakley’s story about MSG incident is “pure fiction”
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 4:00:22 PM)

    Everything former Knicks forward Charles Oakley has said since to being ejected and arrested after an altercation with security guards at Madison Square Garden on Wednesday night is “pure fiction,” the team said.

  • [SNY Knicks] Superfan Spike Lee picks Melo over Jackson
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:00:12 AM)

    Knicks superfan Spike Lee would rather have Carmelo Anthony stay in New York than Phil Jackson.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo responds to Jackson’s latest barb
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:00:03 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony responded to Phil Jackson’s latest barb on Wednesday, saying he’s “self-motivated” and that anyone would get tired of verbal spats.

  • [SNY Knicks] Williams, who Knicks had interest in, to sign with Cavs
    (Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:20:05 AM)

    Free agent F Derrick Williams will sign a 10-day contract with the Cavaliers.

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    251 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.10)”

    1. All season long, I’ve been at issue with the Kidd comparisons as it relates to Lonzo Ball. I just saw an outstanding PG, but not quite enough Kidd-like intangibles. Until last night. By the time I realized Oregon vs UCLA was on the tube last night, I think Ball was something like 2-7 with 5 points, 6 boards, 1 assist, and 3 turnovers. Then I watched him take charge- mentally and physically. Ended up with 16 points, 11 boards, 1 assist, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers. Let me tell ya..as a person who’s biased towards point guards – that one measly assist did not- in any way- prevent me from climbing aboard the Lonzo Ball Bandwagon. I have officially seen enough to believe this kid has “it”, along with the requisite skills to be a great PG.

      That is all.

    2. Oakley situation makes me sick.

      Not because I think Oak is blameless — I think it’s extremely likely that he WAS being disruptive and that any normal fan would probably have been escorted out also. But for Pete’s sake — Dolan, just let it go. Stop with the doubling down on smearing one of the players that your fans hold most dear. SMH.

      From the last thread – I think Hornacek is probably a good coach on the offensive end. But this defense is abominable in spite of having some players who have real defensive ability. To compare Hornacek to Carlisle, who’s been one of the great coaches in the league for near 20 years now, is a disservice to Carlisle. What I worry about most with Hornacek is that 2 jobs in a row now, he’s come in below expectations and has been unable to hold his team together. He’s not getting any help from Phil, mind you, but it does not appear that he can hold a team together just through his own force of will.

    3. Not sure who these players with real defensive ability are, though. Anyway the problem with Hornacek is, in my opinion, that there’s no real leader in the locker room (Noah should have been that guy, but it’s kinda hard to be that when your contributions are at best average).

    4. Re Ball and Hornacek:

      1. Lonzo could have had several more assists if his teammates were able to finish. The dude actually looks bored out there playing with college kids. You can tell that amateurish offensive system holds him back until he decides he wants to take over a game and does. We haven’t even begun to see how good this kid can be yet.

      2. Hornacek’s defense leaves much to be desired this year but look at the personnel he’s working with. Jennings, Rose, and Melo are horrible defenders. Its really hard to evaluate him there when he’s coaching such poor defensive talent.

    5. You know Zanzibar speculating about KP taking the Q.O doesn’t seem that crazy right now.

      Still crazy, just not as much as it was a month ago.

    6. You know Zanzibar speculating about KP taking the Q.O doesn’t seem that crazy right now.

      Still crazy, just not as much as it was a month ago.

      In any normal organization, KP could go to Dolan and say that he doesn’t like the direction of the team and that he is considering taking the QO unless Phil leaves, which would lead to an actual real adult being hired and the organization moving forward (in a good way). In this organization, it’s likely Dolan would take that as a personal affront and waive him.

    7. Philmelo is trolling the league with their game of make pretend. You’ll all be thanking Phil come around the trade deadline.

      You heard it from me first.

    8. Fellow Knickerbloggers help me, I don’t know if it’s depression that’s getting to me or else, but I see KP’s ceiling getting lower and lower by the day.

    9. @8

      That’s another thing about tanking, it lets you spread risk around several great draft picks. Who knows if KP will flame out, or have a career ending injury? Even if Embiid or Simmons were out of the league due to injury luck or subpar performance, Philly would still be in a great position with one of the two plus Noel, Saric, etc.

      This is why getting multiple high end draft picks over the course of 2-3 years is really important. Drafting one great player usually isn’t enough these days unless the guy is Lebron or CP3.

    10. Absolutely so, especially if said player (as hurt as you want) is regressing in terms of basketball IQ, which was the best thing about him in his season as a rookie.

    11. I’m getting tired of checking the news every day hoping a trade has gone through. Just do it already.

    12. I think KP actually had a pretty good game against the Clippers and is looking more healthy.

      he has looked desperate on the court, like he knows he has to make plays and is forcing stuff way too much, and we have no idea how much the achilles thing was / is bothering him still.

      like I said before, I think he’s completely fine, he just needs all the bullshit around him to go away so he can play team-oriented basketball and develop.

    13. Fellow Knickerbloggers help me, I don’t know if it’s depression that’s getting to me or else, but I see KP’s ceiling getting lower and lower by the day.

      Bad achilles lead to some bad shooting games. He actually shot really well the other night and the two dunks at the end should have sealed it. Also, obviously, the Knicks are broken with the “your turn my turn” offense. KP can’t get a rhythm with the starters. The only real danger is that he learns to play like Melo. As long as he’s in an offense that moves the ball he’ll be fine. Maybe not Abdul Jabbar but a good player, I think.

      I think we’ll be better quicker if we can manage to keep everyone but Rose, Anthony and Jennings.

      I know Phil has been bad as GM but I can understand his frustration and how it might leak out in tweets. He really can’t openly say what he thinks of Melo’s game and it must be awful for a guy who knows a thing or two to watch this guy waste his talent. Here’s what I would say to Melo if I were Phil. Maybe I should say, here’s what I would have said to Melo two years ago.

      “Melo, I know you’re one of the best scorers in the league and you have been for a while. I know you’ve earned respect. However, I coached MJ, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq,.. and believe me, compared to them you’re not SHIT. Those teams would have made you carry water, you selfish petulant idiot. Next time you get “fouled” and don’t run back I’ll staple you to the bench in street clothes, damn the consequences! Next time you shoot the ball without letting your teammates touch it, same. You will pass and cut and make sure your teammates do the same.”

    14. KP has played alright his last few games. His rebounding has gone up and he’s looked more active in general. The fouls will go down in time.

    15. I still think KP turns out good. He just needs to be put in ideal spots and it seems coaches haven’t been able to focus on maximizing his talent because they’re too concerned with all the drama surrounding the team. For example, there’s absolutely no way this kid should be trying to box out Deandre Jordan on the most pivotal play of the game. Our coaches are still trying to figure him out and I think he himself is trying to figure out what kind of player he can be. Having said that, he needs room to grow, make mistakes, etc. I want to see what this team looks like without Rose, Melo and only KP as the focal point.

    16. My only longterm concerns with KP’s game is his defensive rebounding. Offensively, he hasn’t even begun to scratch what he can do because he barely uses a post game. But his lack of tenacity and strength on the boards scares me.

    17. As for the long term prospects of Blake Griffin — the Knicks acquiring an oft-injured defensive-lacking athletic power forward, who has put up excellent scoring numbers next to one of the best point guards in the league, and makes tens of millions of dollars… Hmmmm I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.

      Although if we just getting him because his contract expires in 2018, I guess that’s OK.

    18. I’m not worried about KP in general, but I think it’s probably fair to worry if he’ll ever become a superstar, but eh, that’s not exactly much of a worry there, ya know? “Oh no, he’s only really really good instead of really really REALLY good!”

    19. I have no issue with KP. He showed on Wednesday that he’ll be fine in an offense where the ball moves and nobody’s ego is put first. His rebounding woes are scheme based to me; if we play him closer to the basket he will get double digit boards. I think he ends up around 8 boards per 36 with great shot blocking and scoring numbers. Just get him a point guard and he’ll be fine.

    20. The problem with KP is that he’s fat and lazy. What’s wrong with you people? Can’t you see?

    21. I said i’m completely fine with KP because my expectations of him are not sky-high, Dirk Nowitzki MVP of the league.

      I think he’ll be a strong scorer, a decent to good rebounder, an intimidating shot blocker coming from the weak side and a matchup nightmare for less athletic frontcourts.

      I’d be fine with a .590 ts% on a 25-30 usage rate, 8-9 rebounds and 2-2.5 blocks per 36, which is very feasible for what he has shown so far in his career… that’s a pretty good star player who could be a part of a real contender with another strong star and good role players.

    22. Tyson was an all-star in 2013 but he came via a sign and trade deal, probably why they didn’t count.

    23. I have never seen Melo help on defense. I have never seen Melo set a damn screen. He never cuts. He never does anything off ball. He leaves his man to pad his rebounding numbers all the time. He passes when he feels it is politically necessary. He’s bad at team ball, bad at defense, bad at caring about NYK>ME7O.

      Phil is disgusted with him, and wants him the fuck out. Can’t blame him. Can blame him for the NTC. I have a feeling Melo decided he is not interested in a trade, or is severely restricting options (reducing Phil’s leverage) and Phil wants to smoke him the f out. Ok then, but I hope it’s Melo out before Phil. I think. Because Phil accidentally tanked (when he thought they were a contending team we tanked. Twice.)

      Dolans a POS. Honestly, he’s such a grotesque character that I feel ashamed of just liking his team. All the above, everything bad with this franchise, starts with him. Until he goes, if he ever does, I will always be ashamed of being a Knicks fan. If the Nets resembled anything better, I’d switch sides now.

      Fine, lets draft the best player, try to trade Melo, let Rose/Jennings go, whatever. I’ll believe a better team is here when it is here. Whatever.

      It’s a shame because, like many Knicks fans, I love basketball and New York, yet they make it so damn hard. If we were a shitty normal team, I’d be so much happier.

    24. We would all love to get Ball but the odds are against it. How do the Duke players look? Tatum, Giles, Kennard and Allen? I was watching some highlights of them and Tatum, Kennard and Allen all looked excellent to my untrained eye.

    25. Maybe this cold, bitter, snowy weather will finally convince Melo to leave for warmer pastures?

    26. I think Kemnard will be a valuable NBA player, he looks ready for the league already… don’t think he’ll ever be a star, but might end up being a pretty damn good sixth man.

      Tatum is Melo-lite, and I wouldn’t touch Grayson Allen unless it’s a second round or very late first, but he’s obviously talented.

    27. Tyson was an all-star in 2013 but he came via a sign and trade deal, probably why they didn’t count.

      Which is stupid, since technically Lebron and Bosh were both sign and trades, too, but you’d never hear them referred as anything but free agents. Because that’s what they were, just like Chandler. And STAT, for that matter.

    28. The more I think about that piece of trivia, the more it kind of irks me. The Knicks didn’t have cap space to sign a good free agent until 2009, and then the first guy they signed with their cap space…became an All-Star! Then the next time that they had the cap space to sign a big free agent, they signed Chandler, who also became an All-Star. So it’s a kind of meaningless piece of trivia.

    29. Taytum is going to be decent but nothing special I imagine–like Bruno said, he plays like Melo (I think his BBIQ is a bit higher though.) Kennard has a smooth offensive game that’ll translate well but his measureables aren’t particularly good and he has a ceiling due to his lack of athleticism. I’m pretty high on Allen despite hating him (I’m a UNC alumnus) and his pretty bad attitude issues. He reminds me of JJ Redick with more ball handling skills. He could be really good. I think his good but comparatively poor third year is partly due to being asked to do too much with all the injuries Duke has had this year.

      Giles is going to be great if he fully recovers from his knee injury. He’s still looking raw and a step or two slow, though–the bounce he had isn’t back yet.

      My favorite prospect of Duke relative to their draft position is definitely Grayson Allen

    30. Am I the only one still distraught over the Oakley/Dolan thing? Am I overreacting? Its so clear how toxic everything is from Dolan to Phil to Melo.

    31. @ 36 – NO. It grosses me out to no end. And I know Oakley wasn’t completely off the hook for his behavior either but its gross and Dolan is gross and we should be embarrassed. IMO Oakley doesn’t say anything to Dolan if Dolan didn’t freeze him out of the Knicks organization. He can’t take any criticism whatsoever and its sickening.

    32. I’m so numbed by this franchise that the Oakley thing has me less angry than I should be. It’s still fucked, though.

    33. Yeah, I mean the guy was pissed at the organization because he legitimately loves the team and feels the love from the fans, and is just screaming for some modicum of respect. And he gets followed around whenever he comes in, gets asked a bunch of insulting questions by some security goons, he obviously is at fault for shoving and stuff, but a dozen security guards tackle and drag him out?? You think this has nothing to do with the Knicks Legends stuff going on lately that Oakley was left out of? Doc Rivers down to LeBron and freaking Reggie Miller are all disgusted with it, and were here still talking Lonzo Ball and Tyson Chandler. Uch.

    34. yeah, I think I’ve stopped caring with the Anucha Browne case, I don’t think anything will ever be worse than that clusterfuck of sexism and terrible humans involved.

    35. JVG said on NBA radio that he hopes the Knicks and Oak make nice, even have a night for him, apologize, etc… if they did something like that and if Phil apologizes to Melo or”explains what he meant” that would go a long way regarding free agents coming here and the way we’re looked at in the league. Wouldn’t that be cool?

    36. The whole cluterf**k culture impacts the franchise from making it an undesirable destination for FA’s to now doing mindf**king with our strongest asset, KP. The essence of being a fan is being able is to have hope whether rational, or irrational that your team will be able to at least compete for a chp. It is impossible to have anything but delusional hope for this team given its current circumstances.

    37. Oak, Mase, and Ewing are absolutely the reasons I am a Knicks fan. The whole “You may be more talented, but we’re gonna outwork you, outmuscle you, and make you rue the day you played us” was freaking awesome.

      Its funny, because those two guys had really average advanced stats.

    38. Advanced stats liked Mase and Oak (they loooved Ewing). Even Starks did pretty well with advanced stats, actually.

    39. If Jowels saw the guy I was tweeting back and forth with yesterday about Melo, advanced stats, and Tyson Chandler… His head might have exploded. It all started when I tweeted that Melo is not performing at a star level according to advanced stats. I was told that advanced stats don’t matter because you can see with your own eyes how good Melo is. Tyson Chandler was called the worst signing of the decade too.

    40. JVG said on NBA radio that he hopes the Knicks and Oak make nice, even have a night for him, apologize, etc… if they did something like that and if Phil apologizes to Melo or” explains what he meant” that would go a long way regarding free agents coming here and the way we’re looked at in the league. Wouldn’t that be cool?

      that would be cool, but it sounds like an alternate reality version of how dolan, jackson and this organization operates. i might die from shock if any of that actually happens.

    41. yeah, I think I’ve stopped caring with the Anucha Browne case, I don’t think anything will ever be worse than that clusterfuck of sexism and terrible humans involved.

      That’s pretty much where I am, only I probably stopped caring before then, even. Basically, you have to come to terms with the fact that your favorite team is owned by a terrible human being. If you can’t, then how can you ever root for the Knicks period? So sure, the Oakley stuff is disgusting, but Dolan is a disgusting guy. Disgusting people tend to do disgusting things. I have to sort of try to separate it as much as I can, while still of course calling Dolan out whenever he does do something gross.

    42. If the Anucha Brown case happened ten years later Dolan would have been forced to sell the team. Timing is everything.

    43. Good call. Can you imagine the Sprewell/Carlisomo stuff if it happened today?!?

      Is there a mustard emoji?

    44. I agree Brian, the way I managed to survive was basically separating the Knicks from Dolan in my mind. Yes, he owns the franchise, but the franchise is bigger than him, and will outlive him.

      there’s honestly not much else that can be done, Dolan is a billionaire, and those tend to do whatever the hell they want to do unless it’s something absolutely unacceptable that gets massively publicized, and even then they generally get away with whatever it is… so yeah, it is what it is, I’ll keep hating him and wishing he goes away, and cherishing the Knicks.

    45. By the way, I glossed over Phil’s follow-up tweet the other day. I didn’t realize that he actually had the gall to claim that his initial tweet was “misunderstood.” For serious, dude? For serious?!

    46. The Rangers seem like they’re a really well run team now (I don’t follow hockey very closely), you’d think Dolan would have learned something from that.

    47. My only longterm concerns with KP’s game is his defensive rebounding.

      But his lack of tenacity and strength on the boards scares me.

      He’s very passive on the defensive boards.

      At least 1-2 times a game I see him in reasonable position to get a defensive rebound, but he defers to some other Knick in the area instead of going for it. He also often does not even jump for a rebound. If he’s in the area and the ball comes to him, he gets the rebound. If there are opposition players in the area, he either gets pushed out of the way or doesn’t even jump and use his length to get the ball. If he would just jump and use his length he’d get an extra rebound or two every night. Maybe he doesn’t have that intuitive ability to see where the ball is going so he can get there quickly and time the jump well.

    48. Phil Jackson needs to be the final straw with Dolan. Fire him and hire Ainge’s guy. Or pay Masai Ujiri $25M a year to leave Toronto and fix your organization.

    49. JVG said on NBA radio that he hopes the Knicks and Oak make nice, even have a night for him, apologize, etc… if they did something like that and if Phil apologizes to Melo or”explains what he meant” that would go a long way regarding free agents coming here and the way we’re looked at in the league. Wouldn’t that be cool?

      There’s about the same chance of that happening as Dolan lowering ticket prices next year and issuing a press release apologizing to fans for how shitty the team has been.

    50. By the way, I glossed over Phil’s follow-up tweet the other day. I didn’t realize that he actually had the gall to claim that his initial tweet was “misunderstood.” For serious, dude? For serious?!

      You gotta give it to him, he raises passive-aggressiveness to an art form.

      I wonder what the endgame is here with Phil. His performance in this job is really not doing wonders for his legacy. He’s capping off an incredibly successful career with a long, sustained, humiliating slow-motion train wreck of failure. He’s a laughingstock. Sure, he has Dolan’s money in the bank, but Phil was already a rich dude. This has got to be a very punishing blow to his ego. Which is, of course, why he looks externally for the reasons his tenure failed. The players are just too dumb to run the triangle today. You can’t change a leopard’s spots. And so on.

      That’s what narcissists do. They blame everybody else when things go wrong.

    51. smh Dolan just fired his head of security. As if that guy wasn’t just doing what Dolan told him to do.

    52. Jerian Grant > Derrick Rose

      Robin Lopez is starting to play better now also.

      1. Lopex > Noah
      2. Grant > Rose

      That’s why despite:

      1. 2016 KP > 2015 KP
      2. Lee > Afflalo
      3. 2016 KOQ > 2015 KOQ

      We still stink.

      (not to mention that Calderon wasn’t quite as bad last year as everyone made him out to be. he just wasn’t a starter)

    53. The Rangers seem like they’re a really well run team now (I don’t follow hockey very closely), you’d think Dolan would have learned something from that.

      The problem here is twofold, one more worrisome than the other (or maybe they’re actually both equally worrisome):

      1. Dolan likes basketball a lot more than hockey, so he is a lot more involved in the basketball side of things
      2. The hockey side is good because Dolan picked a pretty smart guy, Glen Sather, and gave him total control. He didn’t do that on the basketball side until Phil Jackson who is, well, not Glen Sather. I initially thought that this is not as worrisome as Dolan being more interested in basketball, as maybe the next guy Dolan picked would be better than Jackson, but then I realized that Jackson being so shitty might make Dolan less willing to GIVE total control to another guy (which is mostly why I’m okay with letting Jackson fix his fuck-ups, as I don’t trust Dolan to hire a good replacement, so at least Jackson seems like he has total control).

    54. smh Dolan just fired his head of security. As if that guy wasn’t just doing what Dolan told him to do.

      Wow, that’s suuuuuper douchey, even for Dolan.

      “Oakley was nuts. Oakley needs help. Oakley was dangerous. We had to take Oakley out. Oakley is sick in the head.” Then after all that, they have the gall to fire their security guy over the incident? Wow. If you wanted a fall guy, then why not admit that you fucked up instead of going after Oakley like that? The Knicks can’t do ANYthing right.

    55. smh Dolan just fired his head of security. As if that guy wasn’t just doing what Dolan told him to do.

      i guess dolan needed a fall-guy. God forbid he actually apologize or take responsibility.

    56. Phil Jackson is the worst GM we’ve had since Isiah. The only difference between Phil and Isiah is Isiah traded draft picks. Both suck at trades and FA acquisitions, and both have an eye for talent when it comes to draft picks and youth. That wasn’t any reason for Isiah to stick around and it damn sure isn’t a reason for Phil Jackson to stick around. He is a bigger problem for this franchise than Carmelo Anthony.

    57. Dolan: You’re fired. I said get him out of here, not embarrass me!

      HOS: Well, the two aren’t exactly mutually exclusive.

      Dolan: AND THERE GOES YOUR PENSION FUND.

    58. Dolan is a petulant little turd. Everything he does is pathetic. The wannabe rock band, sucking up to Isaiah, selling out the Knicks to CAA so he could tour with the Eagles, holding a grudge against Lin for signing a contract, making everyone kiss his ring, the stories about his treatment of employees, inserting himself into trade negotiations. He’s a spoiled rich brat who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

      The epitome of a loser.

    59. On a positive note, if we lose tonight we will be tied with the Kings and Mavs for 8th and only half a game behind the Pelicans/Wolves winner (they’re playing each other). Go Nuggets!!!!

    60. It has to really get Phil’s goat that Riley is a great GM and Phil is, um, not.

      Riley’s a smarter guy. Phil had more talent to work with when they were coaching rivals, but Pat Riley is smarter than Phil Jackson, full stop.

    61. Riley’s been doing it for a lot longer, though. But yeah, if I were to compare the two, Riley seems to be much more willing to relate to NBA players and come up with ways to entice them, while Phil just thinks that they’re going to fall over themselves to come play for his team because he was such a great coach, even though he’s not going to coach them!

    62. I suspect Jackson will be much better as a GM once he gets rid of Melo. Some of the bad decisions he made were driven by trying to keep Melo happy during the rebuild for KP. You can argue that keeping Melo was a bad decision, but I wonder how easy it would have been to convince Dolan that Melo didn’t fit and they had to start from actual zero. I think he truly believed he could get Melo to play a more team oriented and efficient brand of basketball while rebuilding. George Karl thought that and so did Mike D’Antoni. Didn’t work for them either.

      I don’t mean this to be a defense of Phil’s deals. He made a few unforced errors also, but we aren’t in such a bad position. It would be extremely easy to turn this ship around by next year if we traded Melo for expiring contracts, let alone got something good for him.

    63. Jeez, an objective / numbers based blog is just hurling personal insults left and right at a myriad of individuals like they know the ins and outs of everything going on.

    64. It would be extremely easy to turn this ship around by next year if we traded Melo for expiring contracts, let alone got something good for him.

      lol. Melo is the reason the Knicks have been awful since 01……. right.

    65. I’d forgotten. this isn’t the first time Dolan has fired the head of security. Although he rehired him the last time.

    66. Jeez, an objective / numbers based blog is just hurling personal insults left and right at a myriad of individuals like they know the ins and outs of everything going on.

      We don’t need stats to know that Dolan is a moron. Unless you’re referring to something else entirely.

    67. I am aware of the ugliness at the core of the Oak/Dolan dust-up. But I hafta admit, when I was driving home from work Wednesday night and heard a play-by-play recounting of the incident on the radio, I started laughing so hard I had to pull the car over. As twisted as it sounds, I realized that this is by far the most enjoyment I’ve derived from of this team in the past year.

      This is what being a Knicks fan has come to. Knowing that this team will never sniff a title under Dolan, I find that it’s now impossible to get too worked up one way or another over the outcome of an individual game – or even an entire season, for that matter. When wins no longer excite and loses no longer annoy, all that’s left is to root for the team to entertain by doing even more really bizarre, really Knicksy shit. Between Derrick’s travels into space, Phil’s passive/aggressive feud with Melo, and now Guitar Jimmy’s public humiliation of a beloved team legend, the Knicks are on pace for the equivalent of a 70-win season on the bizarre-o-meter scale, Here’s hoping that the best is yet to come!

    68. The Knicks suck because their players suck. Not because of some la la land fantasy drama that fits some exemplary narrative.

    69. He’s a spoiled rich brat who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

      that’s a perfect analogy, I’m stealing this oakman lol

      Dolan even went to home plate on a wild pitch and thought he stole the base.

    70. @78 you’re sort of right. The Knicks suck because their players suck, but their players suck because of the same climate of ineptitude that leads to things like the Dolan-Oakley incident happening.

      While I agree that if we were winning, it wouldn’t have been a big deal, you gotta realize that the losing, the drama, it’s all part of the same problem: the team’s management sucks.

      What are the odds Phil ends up being the one to make our draft pick in June? At this point, I’d say:
      -if he trades Melo before the deadline, I think Phil stays 100%.
      -if he doesn’t trade Melo before the deadline, I’d give him a 50% chance of staying.

    71. The bs drama is a byproduct of losing and shit players, not the other way around.

      This current dilemma, imo, was spearheaded by the half in, half out decision Phil was forced to make when he decided to keep Melo. On the one hand, he tried balancing a win now team to placate Melo, and on the other, had the presence of mind to build something for the future. And it didn’t work.

      That’s literally it.

    72. This shit gets funnier every day. This is like Phil announcing he’s selling his Twitter stock.

    73. First of all Horny isn’t responsible for practically anything. He had the team at 16-13 and Phil (quite wisely in my estimation) threw a Molotov Cocktail into the locker room with Melo. Then he had Rambis foisted upon him to be Bill Belicheck. Then his best player KP tweaked a leg and rather than sitting him down for 15 day+ of complete rest, he was allowed turning a strain into a 2 month malaise.

      Also, pertaining to KP, only with the expert NY fans could a 21 year old averaging 20.3/ 7.8 and /2.1 per 36 could ever be deemed as having a crappy season. And oh…. they have a 7′ 3″ guy switching out on 2 guards 29 feet from the rim all the time.

      Jesus!!!!

    74. The bs drama is a byproduct of losing and shit players, not the other way around.

      This current dilemma, imo, was spearheaded by the half in, half out decision Phil was forced to make when he decided to keep Melo. On the one hand, he tried balancing a win now team to placate Melo, and on the other, had the presence of mind to build something for the future. And it didn’t work.

      That’s literally it.

      If you dismiss the importance of ownership on a poorly run team, then you are making a mistake.

    75. I just realized the Heat have a better record than us now, and what I thought was going to be their key player was injured and/or fucking awful all season.

    76. Absolutely, ownership is a factor and should be talked about. But I don’t want player accountability to get lost in the focus of all this nonsense. Chicago is a shit show with all that drama, but Jimmy Butler is still putting up exceptional numbers. We have absolutely nothing like that.

      So no, after another loss I’m not going to hurl personal insults at Dolan and Jackson and praise Charles Oakley because I simply do not have all the facts. What I can see, objectively, is that the players are not good and our record is suffering. That’s what I want to talk about.

    77. That’s what I want to talk about.

      Go right ahead. And at the same time, other people will talk about whatever we feel like talking about, as well. Which currently is how gross James Dolan is. There’s no limit as to the topics that can be discussed here. Just bring something up for discussion. Don’t get weird if people aren’t talking about what you want to talk about.

    78. This current dilemma, imo, was spearheaded by the half in, half out decision Phil was forced to make when he decided to keep Melo. On the one hand, he tried balancing a win now team to placate Melo, and on the other, had the presence of mind to build something for the future. And it didn’t work.

      If you dismiss the importance of ownership on a poorly run team, then you are making a mistake.

      Exactly right.

      Phil’s “half in, half out decision” was likely based on his recognition of Melo’s status as a “made man” within the Knicks organization. And everyone knows you just can’t whack a made man, no matter how much autonomy Phil may have been promised by Guitar Jimmy.

    79. @89 Giving my opinion on the topic at hand is being “weird” about what others are talking about? A discussion with counter points are discussions worth having, not ones which devolve into simple echo chambers.

    80. The players don’t suck. Stop saying that.

      22-32. That’s the team’s record. That’s a .407 winning percentage. That’s a 33-win pace, with the trend heading rapidly downward. Since their 14-10 start, they’re 8-22. That’s a .267 winning percentage. They’ve been about as good as the 1962 Mets since game 25 of the season.

      The players do indeed suck.

    81. lol. Melo is the reason the Knicks have been awful since 01……. right.

      Melo has been overpaid relative to his production in just about every year for NY (but especially now). The point being, from where he is now, cap space has greater value than he does. If you trade him for expiring contracts and aren’t foolish with how you use that cap space, you can create a better team by trading him even if you don’t get a pick and/or really good young player back.

      On top of that we will get a good pick this year, have Rose’s cap space, and another year of development from KP and WH. Unless you do some moronic things it’s very easy to turn this team around next year.

      Comparing our current position to the days of Isiah is laughable and so is the idea that Melo is a star player.

    82. @89 Giving my opinion on the topic at hand is being “weird” about what others are talking about? A discussion with counter points are discussions worth having, not ones which devolve into simple echo chambers.

      You weren’t giving your opinion on the topic at hand. You were getting angry about other posters not talking about what you thought people should talk about. It was odd.

    83. @95 smh. I made a point, and even agreed with your counter point in a respectful manner. There is literally no signs of anger, nor did I call anyone “weird”, “odd”, or take any sarcastic jabs…

    84. 22-32. That’s the team’s record. That’s a .407 winning percentage. That’s a 33-win pace, with the trend heading rapidly downward. Since their 14-10 start, they’re 8-22. That’s a .267 winning percentage. They’ve been about as good as the 1962 Mets since game 25 of the season.

      The players do indeed suck.

      There are a bunch of non-sucky players on this team. The problem is that there’s nobody on this team that’s particularly good, and there are a couple guys who are particularly bad.

    85. They’ve been about as good as the 1962 Mets since game 25 of the season.

      When you are starting Marv Throneberry at point guard…. what do you expect?

    86. Yes, the players on this roster mostly suck. The team president sucks. The GM sucks. The head coach may or may not suck.

      None of this is new. In years past, this team has had other players, other team presidents, other GMs, other head coaches who have pretty much all sucked, too.

      The one overarching constant throughout all of those years has been the man who signs their paychecks. This owner is the lodestar of suck by which all of those various and sundry lesser sucks have set their course.

      The sucking will continue for as long as the present ownership remains unchanged.

    87. So I guess this means that the Knicks first press release about Oakley needing help wasn't accurate since they now fired a security guard.— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) February 10, 2017

    88. Unreal. Anyone know how I can stream that interview/show live if I don’t have access to NY radio?

    89. I just read that Oakley has now admitted that he had a few drinks before the incident and a fan came forward and said he was clearly intoxicated. This sounds more or more like I should wait for the Wikileaks post to find out what really happened. lmao

    90. I asked this earlier in the season when we were doing okay record wise, but I think now is an interesting time to revist it-who has been the Knicks most effective player this season?

    91. Comparing our current position to the days of Isiah is laughable and so is the idea that Melo is a star player.

      Except isiahs knicks has better records than the last 3 years

    92. I asked this earlier in the season when we were doing okay record wise, but I think now is an interesting time to revist it-who has been the Knicks most effective player this season?

      I would argue KP if you remove the period from the time he had the achilles issue forward. It’s a little fuzzier now because other than that last game with the Clippers he’s been pretty bad lately.

      After that Melo is probably the most important player because he’s the #1 scorer and it’s hard for this team to replace that much scoring off the bench. But assuming we had another volume scorer coming off the bench I might argue KOQ even though I might get laughed off the forum. He has had an impact in quite a few games with blocks and defense without being a negative on offense.

    93. When you can make a legitimate case that Kyle O’Quinn has been the most productive player on your team, that’s not a good sign.

    94. Michael Kay Show YES ?@TMKSonYES 19m19 minutes ago

      MSG Chairman James Dolan IN STUDIO at 4pm on @YESNetwork with @RealMichaelKay and @DonLagreca #TMKSonYES

      Kay is insufferable, but he’s also likely to go very hard at Dolan, especially since he’s not an MSG employee. Should be interesting.

    95. When you can make a legitimate case that Kyle O’Quinn has been the most productive player on your team, that’s not a good sign.

      Yeah, scary thought.

    96. Melo’s WS/48 in the past three seasons has been .112. Phil’s great underlying failure as Knicks GM is largely attributable to this fact. This is why getting rid of Melo is so imperative.

    97. I’m fine with Michael Kay vs Dolan. Kay is pretty good at asking hard questions. I find the whole shtick between him, LaGreca, and Rosenberg annoying but in interviews, they’re pretty good.

      Please please please let Dolan announce he’s extending an olive branch to Oakley and firing Phil Jackson. That would make my week.

    98. Some very big tank games ahead of us tonight. Heat (23 wins) v. Nets (9), Lakers (18) v. Bucks (22), Pelicans (20) v. Wolves (20), and of course Knicks (22) v. Nuggets (23).

    99. Firing Phil with 3 picks coming up in this draft would be so stupid. So stupid I wouldn’t put it past Dolan.

    100. Firing Phil with 3 picks coming up in this draft would be so stupid. So stupid I wouldn’t put it past Dolan.

      Hottest take of the century. You’re right, why fire the guy who’s completely tanked your franchise over 3 years all while actively trying to be good. Let him continue to make important decisions while tweeting shots at your franchise player. That’s a good idea.

    101. I would argue KP if you remove the period from the time he had the achilles issue forward.

      aka half the season.

    102. Oakley has no right to anything when it comes to the Knicks organization. He is just an ex-employee.

      Somebody should tell him to have more dignity and stop begging for space in a place where the owner does not want him.

      Dolan is a pos – but Oakley is severely lacking in the dignity department.

    103. Let him continue to make important decisions while tweeting shots at your franchise player. That’s a good idea.

      Um, this is the same GM who had the best 2015 draft of any other executive that year. In one draft he picked up KP, Billy, and Grant. So, yes, I want him making the important decision in the one aspect of his front office tenure he’s excelled at.

    104. Somebody should tell him to have more dignity and stop begging for space in a place where the owner does not want him.

      things are getting very meta

    105. Oh geez are going to go down the “Isaiah was a good drafter” defense now. Apparently it was Clarence Gaines who made the calls on KP and Willy. Willy was on KP’s team so it’s not like someone had to scour the globe to find him, he was just there.

      I guess I know what I will be hearing about on the ride home. For once I may not mind if there is gummy traffic. I know the Knocks games are on ESPN, but I am surprised Dolan would do any interviews without heavy protection.

    106. John Schmeelk Verified account
      ?@Schmeelk

      Michael Kay just said he got a text that Charles Oakley has been banned from Madison Square Garden. Tonight is going to be insane at MSG.

      Boy oh boy. That Kay interview is now going to get super ugly.

    107. Um, this is the same GM who had the best 2015 draft of any other executive that year. In one draft he picked up KP, Billy, and Grant. So, yes, I want him making the important decision in the one aspect of his front office tenure he’s excelled at.

      I’m sorry but (1) nailing 2 out of 3 picks in a single draft is not enough evidence to qualify someone as a great drafter, (2) those picks were in large degree influence by his scouts and advisors, namely Clarence Gaines, as Phil has admitted.

      So if you really think the scouting department is that good, you can keep them around for the next GM. Clarence Gaines doesn’t have to go when Phil does.

      I can 100% guarantee you that Phil never flew to Sevilla to watch KP and Willy play and I’m pretty damn sure he’s not out working the circuits scouting college players this year. But hey, maybe that’s why he won’t do the other parts of his job or speak to the press/fans about any of the massive issues he’s created.

    108. I see. So now the tactic of discrediting what little Phil has accomplished as GM is to place the credit on the scout he personally hired to do the job. LOL. I’ll remember this next time someone blames Phil for the Derek Fisher signing. It wasn’t Phil who sucked as a coach those two years, it was Derek Fisher and Phil had nothing to do with it even though Fisher was the guy he hired.

      What makes anyone think Phil’s scouts stay if he’s fired? Why do people assume firing Phil automatically means things get better? Judging by Knicks history the opposite would actually be the case.

    109. The Knicks have had pretty good scouts even before Phil. I’m not losing sleep if he doesn’t make it to draft night.

      He probably will though.

    110. It’s not discrediting Phil necessarily. It’s acknowledging that he was not the end-all-be-all of those draft decisions. Getting rid of Phil doesn’t mean that we will automatically be bad at drafting. Getting rid of Phil does guarantee that we won’t have to put up with his bullshit.

      That said, I do agree that firing Phil doesn’t mean it will get better, but it can’t get much worse.

    111. It’s pretty sad that the team owner is giving an interview before the team president.

    112. I’m certainly going to watch, but I’d be shocked if Dolan says anything beyond a general trashing of Oakley. He apparently likes being able to hide behind Phil on everything else, so I suspect we’ll get a lot of “Talk to Phil” to any tough questions about the team. The Oakley thing he can’t hide behind Phil on.

    113. I’m sure everyone would be happy to talk to Phil if they knew where to find him. Guess we’ll just have to wait for the next Charley Rosen column to find out what our team prez is thinking.

    114. “The players don’t suck. Stop saying that.

      22-32. That’s the team’s record. That’s a .407 winning percentage. That’s a 33-win pace, with the trend heading rapidly downward. Since their 14-10 start, they’re 8-22. That’s a .267 winning percentage. They’ve been about as good as the 1962 Mets since game 25 of the season.

      The players do indeed suck.”

      We’ve just today uncovered the real cause of all of this losing. It was the MSG security guy holding us back. And now he’s thankfully gone.

    115. “It’s pretty sad that the team owner is giving an interview before the team president.”

      Phil is saving his interview for the trial deposition. As well he should.

    116. Anybody want to go to the game tonight? My plan is to a) chant CHARLES OAKLEY the entire game, b) not bring any identification, c) leave peacably when asked. I will pay for half the cost of tickets for anyone who wants to come and join in this endeavor.

    117. By the way it feels like Dolan and Trump are getting managing of the liberal media advice from the same expert.

    118. This is so sad. Again, I think it’s probably true that Oak did whatever MSG/Dolan says he did. Still doesn’t do anyone any good to ban him from the arena.

      If Ewings, Starks, Houston, Larry Johnson etc. had the stones, they would stay away too, in protest.

      The whole thing makes me sick. Far worse than trading any draft pick or overpaying for any free agent. Oak/Mason/Starks/Ewing were an integral part of my young adulthood, and to see it desecrated like this is just awful.

    119. Interview seems to be a planned mugging of Oak. Wonder what conditions Kay had to agree to to cop this interview. Dolan doubling down on Oak attack. I think this backfires.

    120. Actually I’ll pay for a set of four tickets (not nosebleeds) for the first four Kbloggers who want to go to the game together and stand up for OAK. Requires four takers.

    121. I’m listening to this interview.
      Not saying Oakley is a saint, but he doesn’t deserve to be treated and grouped with the typical fan. At all.

    122. Knicks owner James Dolan said Charles Oakley came to MSG with an agenda, which was clear the moment he walked into the building. Says Oakley used vulgar language to staffers. “You can’t do what he did and stay. I think Charles never should have made it to his seats.”

    123. Knicks owner James Dolan says the safety of the fans is the top priority for the team and arena in explaining the Oakley temporary ban.

    124. very Trumpian in his ad hominem attacks on Oak.
      His rationalization for horrid management decisions clanging like a Noah 3 point shot…ouch

    125. This could backfire on a Dolan in a major way. Way more serious than anything else to date including Isiah.

    126. “There’s nothing that would make happier than to have Charles Oakley center court with me shaking his hand” Dude, c’mon.

    127. Sounds like Dolan’s all behind Phil. At least he admitted that he (Dolan) wasn’t good at running a basketball team. He claims that Jackson had full authority all the way through.

    128. Oh man, this is hilarious. He’s seriously going with “I’m going to honor the agreement, whether I like what he’s doing or not.” That’s too funny. He clearly loves that he doesn’t have to talk about anything so long as Phil is here. What a funny little guy.

    129. the best thing here is dolan admitting again that he is no good at running a basketball operation. that will make it 5% harder for him to come back once phil is gone.

    130. Dolan is backing Phil. Calling him the best guy they thought they could find to run the Knicks. He said he made an agreement with Phil to turn over all of basketball operations and that is where he’s at. He says he will honor that agreement all the way to the end. Says its not over yet. Hopes the team will become much much better. Admits basketball operations is not his strength. Reminds Kay that he agreed not to meddle. Says how can anyone come to play for them if he doesn’t honor agreement? Says he will honor agreement whether he thinks Phil is right or wrong. He says Phil has the right to play out his agreement and will not exercise any opt outs.

    131. Mara has a lot of respect with fans although he’s taken some hits lately. Yankee fans mostly remember Steinbrenner with adoration. Jim’s downplaying Knick fan hate of him. Smh.

    132. I just love that Dolan accuses people of being alcoholics. “I bet you are awful in exactly all the ways that I am!”

    133. Even listening to all this bullcrap, it’s hard to say I want more Dolan. I don’t believe that he isn’t meddling but I am all for him not meddling.

    134. I love that he’s going with “I’m going to honor the agreement.” “But the opt out is part of the agreement.” “I’m going to honor the agreement.” Too funny.

    135. Dolan’s comments re: phil are basically the definition of damning with faint praise. or damning with previous commitment.

    136. Did he slip and admit that he had a hand in pulling the trigger on getting Melo from Denver?

      I know it’s generally assumed that he forced Donnie’s hand, but interesting to hear him come out and say that.

    137. He’s not making any sense here, though. “I was bad before, so now I have to stay away.” You can be bad at running an operation and still hire ANOTHER guy. He’s not being logical, he just likes that he can cover his ass. I mean, I get it. Up until the Oakley stuff, he hasn’t gotten any real shit.

    138. Did he slip and admit that he had a hand in pulling the trigger on getting Melo from Denver?

      Pretty much.

    139. Dolan said that he pushed for the Melo trade, but when he made the deal with Phil he totally backed off from all things basketball related. I don’t know how that’s illogical.

    140. “It’s a five year deal. I’m staying out.” “But there’s an opt out?” “It’s a five-year deal.”

    141. He’s not making any sense here, though. He’s not being logical

      Dolan was into post-truth before it was cool.

    142. Dolan said that he pushed for the Melo trade, but when he made the deal with Phil he totally backed off from all things basketball related. I don’t know how that’s illogical.

      The illogical thing is that just because he’s bad at running a basketball team doesn’t mean that he has to keep Phil. He’s saying it like there’s a logical through line there. There isn’t. That isn’t a knock on Phil. It’s just that there’s no logical through line between “I was bad at basketball operations, so I have to keep Phil all five years even though I have an opt out after three years.”

    143. I can’t call for Phil’s head as long as Dolan owns the team. I’ll never trust Dolan with a basketball decision – I’ll never look or ask for Dolan’s interference no matter how badly Phil may be handling this Melo situation.

      Never.

    144. This interview seems to be a disaster (I’m basically just following on Twitter) but I have to give Dolan this — at least he is giving an interview, and to someone who asks tough questions to boot. Unlike Phil Jackson.

      And re: the Oakley thing — not that I remotely agree with what Dolan just said and how he said it, but clearly everyone’s opinion of this is colored by what we know about Dolan and what we remember about Oakley. But Darryl Strawberry basically did the exact same thing to Dwight Gooden a couple years ago and everyone congratulated him for being brave and really looking out for Doc.

      And if Oakley really did do the things Dolan and his flunkies said he did, then honestly, he SHOULD be banned from MSG.

      But it still sucks and hurts from a Knick fan perspective.

    145. alternative facts
      (helps Slats Sather)
      alternative reality
      ( “we’re not embarrassed”)
      as for giving the interview, agree w/ @188 that someone from MSG had to respond to media shit storm
      #where’sPhil

    146. Doc and Darryl have known each other for decades and were, at least at one point, close with each other.

      Oakley and Dolan have always had an antagonistic relationship and Dolan is doing this to make himself look good.

    147. It was awesome when he tried to claim that Sather’s deal was slightly different, in the sense that he does talk to Sather about hockey stuff. Suuuure, Jim.

    148. All said and done, it wasn’t an awful interview. He’s a slimy guy, but eh, it was to be expected. We got some info, which is all we could have hoped for. So it sounds like we’ve got two more years of Phil, at least.

    149. Dolan, the fans know why Oakley is pissed. That’s the issue. And comparing him to a time where the fans were more rowdy is bullshit.

      “Ask Phil”… in answer to his losing record as owner. What a fucking copout.

    150. Those of us that don’t think Phil is good at this job have to admit something. There’s a world in which Dolan hired someone better at running a team, but despite good decisions noise and bad luck led to a disappointing 2 1/2 years. We would be out of our minds if the same Dolan who finally backed off claiming an epiphany that he sucked at basketball intervened and fired him before season 3 was up. After all, the same Dolan who was bad at running a team is probably bad at evaluating short samples of someone else’s choices. It’s not crazy for him to say 5 years no matter what, even if we know his real motive is probably more about reputation.

    151. “refuse to be abused”

      Wise words for all Knicks fans.

      Honestly, I have got to give him some credit for showing up. I thought he actually handled it pretty well, even though he is still a moron.

      If Oak was as drunk and disorderly as they are saying he was, I don’t know, perhaps it changes my view a tiny bit. But in my mind, it never should have gotten to this point in the first place.

    152. He’s saying it like there’s a logical through line there. There isn’t. That isn’t a knock on Phil. It’s just that there’s no logical through line between “I was bad at basketball operations, so I have to keep Phil all five years even though I have an opt out after three years.”

      True.

      So basically all I’ve gathered from this is that he plans on keeping Phil around. Also, that Oakley has serious problems (if he’s telling the truth). This would be stooping incredibly low if he was lying about this. I’m sure Dolan is embellishing the truth, but after watching Oakley’s interviews, it seemed that Oakley definitely did something.

    153. I can’t call for Phil’s head as long as Dolan owns the team. I’ll never trust Dolan with a basketball decision – I’ll never look or ask for Dolan’s interference no matter how badly Phil may be handling this Melo situation.

      This. Its like asking for a military intervention because the President and Congress can’t get along.

    154. Great interview. So Phil is going to be here until the end. Melo’s bullshit about waiting Phil out can stop. He can stay or fuck off but he won’t be forcing Phil out.

    155. Dolan has ensured that we will probably have another successful draft in our rebuild.

      Everyone using their brain should be happy right now.

    156. If you are the chairman of a corporation and you don’t have the ability to evaluate your top executive, you don’t ride out his employment agreement at the cost of your enterprise, you speak to others to help you gain the insights you need to do evaluate. The dude may have started on third base,but is not so stupid ( based on other business moves) as to not be able to reasonable evaluate PJ’s performance to date. That said there was no benefit for him to express dissatisfaction with the state of the team in this interview. There is enough negativity in the media without adding to it. I’m sure he was counseled to say what he did about staying the 5 year course.

    157. okay that picture of Dolan apparently holding a white binder labeled “preparation” during the interview is legit awesome

    158. Dont give Dolan too much credit guys… keep in mind he had been doing investor conference calls of far more importance (though debatable) for a long time now… so he has some practice…

    159. The dude may have started on third base,but is not so stupid ( based on other business moves) as to not be able to reasonable evaluate PJ’s performance to date.

      A promise is a promise. Phil is the boss for five years and he deserves the same chance Isaiah had.

    160. The bipolarism of this fanbase is the reason the Knicks are so horrible. They have less discipline than Dolan. We are at the nadir of our rebuild. But the night is always darkest before the dawn….and the dawn is coming….

    161. It’s Friday afternoon so I’ll try not to get worked up…but seriously, fuck James Dolan. What a fucking asshole he is. That’s all. Emjoy your Friday everybody and go Nuggets tonight. Hope we get some loud Oakley chants.

    162. Question, since I didn’t see the interview: did Dolan just open himself up for a defamation lawsuit from Oakley? It sounds like he says that Oak was drunk and disorderly. I’m not saying that Oak could actually win such a suit, but Dolan just making those claims seems to be a bad move even if there is some merit to them. And if there is not…

      From what I’ve read, there are mixed claims from fans who were nearby. At least one has said that Oak was intoxicated, but another has said that he was minding his own business in his seat.

      Still hoping for a Melo trade. Please, soon.

    163. As bad as Phil has been, I’m with CDiggy — Dolan is worse. Dolan is always worse. Don’t ever ask him to intervene unless he is directly replacing Phil with a competent executive and then immediately backing out of all further decision-making.

    164. Oakley himself said he was drinking before the game. But yeah so do a lot of people before a Knicks game.

    165. @212
      I thought I read somewhere that Dolan said that Oakley was drunk and disorderly and thus should not have even gotten to his seat (thus perhaps why he fired the security chief). If he did say that, that seems like a couple of very specific, damaging claims to make in public. Why would Dolan even want to do this interview?

      I’m not a lawyer, but if I were an adviser of his I’d have told Dolan to STFU about this whole thing.

    166. If you are the chairman of a corporation and you don’t have the ability to evaluate your top executive, you don’t ride out his employment agreement at the cost of your enterprise, you speak to others to help you gain the insights you need to do evaluate. The dude may have started on third base,but is not so stupid ( based on other business moves) as to not be able to reasonable evaluate PJ’s performance to date. That said there was no benefit for him to express dissatisfaction with the state of the team in this interview. There is enough negativity in the media without adding to it. I’m sure he was counseled to say what he did about staying the 5 year course.

      Oh, of course he has the ability, but this situation is perfect for Dolan. Just say, “I can’t do anything. Five year contract” and then let Phil get all the shit that used to come Dolan’s way. That’s why the Oakley thing is so damaging to him, as he can’t use Phil as a shield for that, so it was like a shock to the system, “Shit, they’re talking about me again! Dammit!”

    167. @201 and @208 (same person)

      Yes it seems that Melo should start packing his bags or else be ready to become the Knick’s most irrelevant man in their rebuild. I mean what’s the point of staying?

      I thought that Dolan came off as likeable and honest. He admitted that he sucks at running a basketball team. I believe him when he says that Oakley, who I loved as a player, was abusive. I saw him with my own eyes take a shot at the head of a MSG worker and then fiercely push a second man with his 2 hands. I can only imagine what Oakley was saying before that but Dolan said that it had racial and sexual connotations.

      Thirdly to all of you Phil haters, Phil will be here for a long time simply because he is a basketball genius. So get over it.

    168. Great interview. So Phil is going to be here until the end. Melo’s bullshit about waiting Phil out can stop. He can stay or fuck off but he won’t be forcing Phil out.

      This is probably the most important thing Dolan said in the interview as it means Melo can’t outlast Jackson like he seems intent on doing.

    169. Court Corner, Security – Sec 6/7:

      He came down, the usher brought them to their seats, sec 7 seats 11 & 12 row 1. At that time he was talking with some fans. When he looked over to his left, you know how we usually have our security officers and people against the wall? He said to his friends “You got all these fuckin’ security here looking at me, I don’t know what the fuck they’re looking at, but they’re getting on my fuckin’ nerves.” At this time I look over to my left because I hear the cursing. We make eye contact. He tells me “What the fuck are you looking at?” All I said was “I’m not looking at you.” At this time he proceeded with the curse bombs, saying f’ing this, f’ing that. When he saw Kori looking at him, he called Kori a rat bastard. He said he’s always sucking on Dolan’s dick.

    170. Charles was making statements: “All you whites over there get your story straight, why don’t you have some brothers over there with you, Fuck all you white boys.”

      “ Yeah make sure you all get your story straight, because there’s going to be riots in this city, cameras don’t lie”

      “ Fuck you police, I used to respect you but now I don’t have no respect for you mother fuckers”

      At one point we told Charles that Michael Jordan was on the phone and wanted to speak to him. “ I don’t want to speak to Mike, he’s my brother, this has nothing to do with him, I want to talk to Dolan.”

      He continued to say, “that we all just suck Dolan’s Dick” and how this is “some bullshit”

      At this time the NYPD van came into 11 Penn and he was removed from the facility.

    171. A Knicks fan on r/nba asked me who could possibly afford to buy the Knicks. I did some quick research and answered his question.

      Now I’m daydreaming about Michael Bloomberg riding in on a white horse and saving our team. Shit.

    172. The bipolarism of this fanbase is the reason the Knicks are so horrible. They have less discipline than Dolan. We are at the nadir of our rebuild. But the night is always darkest before the dawn….and the dawn is coming….

      last time the fanbase took action – we ended up with Phil…yikes…

      this situation is perfect for Dolan. Just say, “I can’t do anything. Five year contract” and then let Phil get all the shit that used to come Dolan’s way. That’s why the Oakley thing is so damaging to him, as he can’t use Phil as a shield for that, so it was like a shock to the system, “Shit, they’re talking about me again! Dammit!”

      perfect brian…absolutely the vibe i got from that interview: “Shit, they’re talking about me again! Dammit!”…

    173. Blaming the fans is dumb. The fans don’t hire or fire or draft anyone. The fans just want a good team most years. Some are smarter than others and some want win now while others want to build slowly. The fans are not some dumb monolithic force that has any affect on what Dolan or the gym does with the Knicks. I see a lot of bashing of fans on this site and I think it’s misguided. Everyone on this site is a fan.

    174. The fans just want a good team most years

      The fans just want. They don’t know what they want, only that they want it now.

    175. So my initial reaction to the Dolan interview was based on my Twitter timeline.

      Just listened to the whole interview on the way home — and I have to be honest, I actually thought Dolan came off rather well. If you believe him that Oakley was acting the way he was (and I don’t know why he would offer up video of it if it wasn’t true), then honestly MSG probably did the right thing. If I went to a game with my kids and someone was saying all that stuff in earshot, I’d be appalled and would have complained.

      And re: Phil, I guess we couldn’t really hope for anything better. We’ve all wanted him to stay out of any basketball-making decisions, and he is. Hard to fault him for that, even if Phil is doing a terrible job.

      He didn’t come off as super-sensitive in terms of saying stuff about Oakley, but nothing he said sounded that unreasonable IMHO.

    176. Stay the course, gentlemen. Do not allow false prophets and demagogues whip you into a fervor for blood. Phil may not be our best friend, but he is our only friend. Dolan cares about nothing except his shitty band and the next drink. Melo’s lazy ass just wants to stay stuck here being paid a king’s ransom play for nothing while he inflates his brand. Phil is the only one in MSG with the vision to move this team forward. He understands KP and the draft is the way forward.

    177. Even if the Garden wasn’t selling out, would Dolan even be capable of hiring someone who could run a team effectively?

    178. If I’m Dolan and I’m telling the truth about how out of control Oakley was, and I saw the backlash from fans, media, NBA players, and NBPA union head, I probably would release the video also, just so all parties know who/what they are defending.

      Could it have been handled better? Who knows? What do you do when someone 6’9″ 250lbs is yelling profanities and shoving people in the stands, and refuses to leave on his own, NYK legend or not?

    179. @226 It won’t really matter what’s the truth because the fans (and the sports reporters) have tasted blood and want more.

      Edit: PhilMelo, we both referenced the fan’s taste for blood at the same exact time. You’re impressive!

    180. This is probably the most important thing Dolan said in the interview as it means Melo can’t outlast Jackson like he seems intent on doing.

      Not outlast him, but the same length as him, right? That’d be an amazing situation to see, both of them free agents at the same time. :)

    181. The only thing I will say about Phil, the only thing, is that I am a huge Raiders fan and I remember like 2 years ago everyone was calling for Reggie McKenzie’s head after he tore the team down and got nothing in return for it (not that he had any assets to trade anyway). Now he’s regarded as one of the best GMs in the NFL because he drafted Derrek Carr, Khalil Mack, Gabe Jackson, Amari Cooper, etc.

      So, it is still possible for Phil to turn this thing around. But I just don’t see any indication that he’s capable of doing so. I’ll hope for the best, as always.

    182. Another thing that sort of impressed me about Dolan — he says he’s going to the game tonight. Gotta give him props for having some spine to go on the air with a tough interviewer and then going to the game tonight to face the music.

    183. I have two friends who have been in the Garden who both just emailed me. One was actually seated pretty near the fracas, just a few rows behind. He says Oakley wasn’t doing anything, security surrounded him for no apparent reason, got in his face, and forced an altercation.

      I don’t know why I let myself be swayed by their BS. I trust them about as much as I would trust the Ferguson Police Dept or the White House right now. Perhaps they did what they did because of something that happened before but I doubt it.

      Another friend said he was at the Rangers game and saw security guards come up to the people chanting Free Oakley and tell them to stop. They weren’t kicked out though….

    184. I’ve seen the security guards act this way at the garden before. They are total thugs. And even prior to this there has been discussion that Dolan sends the security guards to enforce his personal grudges. Point being Oak was being factually accurate when he said the guards suck Dolan’s dick. Also I believe that Oak was probably boarderlune stick at the time.

    185. Fifth dimensional logic understands Phil’s latest tweet:

      So after starting a ?storm with a misunderstood tweet, I offer this??our society is torn with discord. I'm against it. Let It Be— Phil Jackson (@PhilJackson11) February 9, 2017

      Let it Be was the final Beatles studio album. Philmelo’s signaling that the band is breaking up.

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