Knicks Morning News (2016.11.25)

  • [NYPost] Brandon Jennings embracing the reinvention of his game
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 7:29:24 PM)

    Brandon Jennings signed a below-market, one-year, $5 million deal to rebuild his brand as one of the electric young experienced point guards in the league. In doing so, he has had to rebuild his game, too, going from scorer to playmaker. Jennings, who amassed a 55-point explosion just four seasons ago, has won over the…

  • [NYPost] Greg Anthony talks Knicks, Phil Jackson-LeBron James flap
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 6:55:27 PM)

    From what he has seen through 14 games, ex-Knicks point guard Greg Anthony said he believes Knicks fans will enjoy more magical moments from Derrick Rose as the season progresses. Adding a more reliable mid-range jumper — the one that won Tuesday’s game — will be crucial, Anthony said. Rose’s confidence meter is sure to…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah is back — and that’s a problem for the Knicks
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:20:47 AM)

    Starting center Joakim Noah is expected back from his flu-like illness for Friday’s Garden game vs. Charlotte, the first half of a two-day, home-and-home with the Hornets. Whether the Knicks need him is open for debate. The Knicks have won four of five games to reach the .500 mark at 7-7. Noah was out sick for…

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Jennings embracing playmaker role
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 5:32:59 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Jennings embracing playmaker role

  • [ESPN] Kristaps Porzingis says poise has helped him pile up points in the post
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:20:31 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis says poise has helped him pile up points in the post

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: Noah still finding his way with Knicks
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:52:24 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: Noah still finding his way with Knicks

  • [SNY Knicks] Joakim Noah is probable for tomorrow’s game
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:42:34 AM)

    Joakim Noah is probable for tomorrow’s game

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose to join Anthony for Thanksgiving festivities
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:00:56 AM)

    With a lot of his family and friends still residing in Chicago, Knicks guard Derrick Rose said he will be joining teammate Carmelo Anthony for Thanksgiving.

  • [NYTimes] With a Fixer-Upper in the Nets, Kenny Atkinson Starts by Building Rapport
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:20:41 PM)

    Atkinson, in his first year as a head coach, learned the importance of conversation as an assistant. He envisions his team as a democracy, though he holds veto power.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks thankful for .500 record, return of Joakim Noah
    (Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:16:14 PM)

    The Knicks put in a Thanksgiving morning practice, feeling thankful to have broken even at 7-7 after winning two straight and four of five, and feeling hopeful that the arrow will continue to point upward.

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    46 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.25)”

    1. You know, if there were any year for the pessimists to be right it is this year. The 2017 draft has some unbelievable top level talent in Markelle Fultz, Malik Monk, Lonzo Ball, Dennis Smith, Jayson Tatum, De’Arron Fox, and Harry Giles. If we could get our hands on any of these guys it would be worth way more than anything short of Derrick Rose turning into a taller Isaiah Thomas.

      Lonzo Ball is truly a special talent, guys. He is exactly what these Knicks need, and I would trade everything on the roster not named Porzingis for him. More than likely we’ll be picking between 17-22 and he’ll go #1 to Philly or Boston and he’ll terrorize us for all of his 20s.

    2. Charlotte isn’t the 7-3 team they were before. Sitting at 8-6 they are very beatable, and I think we should be able to contain Kemba considering we contained Lillard and McCollum on the same night.

    3. Hope everyone in the Knickerblogger community had a nice Thanksgiving with loved ones as well as plenty of turkey and stuffing.

      Regarding Ball, I don’t think Philly or the Nets will pick first – Dallas will.

      Regarding the draft, I would like another Euro in Frank Ntilikina. I think he will be special if a team develops him patiently and wisely.

    4. Miles Bridges looks like he’s gonna be in our range. Just turned 18 and already has an NBA ready body.

      He’s erratic with the TO’s but a demon on the boards and can pass. Might not have the length to play the 4 though.

    5. Derrick Rose’s TS% when Kristaps is not on the floor to spread out the defense? 44% Rose is trash. He can’t do anything without bigzingis. Yall got it twisted.

    6. I had the best pumpkin pie of my life yesterday. Instead of the typical diner-style gelatinous blob whatever, my hosts roasted their own pumpkin, and then made a cream-cheese/sour-cream base to mix it in. Then fresh whipped cream up top.

      Fuck Derrick Rose.

    7. I’m just pointing out the stats prove that Derrick Rose is useless without Porzingis. I proved it with science.

    8. I don’t want to start a 300 comment thread but what science has definitively proven is that sweet potato pie is far better than pumpkin pie. It’s also proven by the taste test.

      That’s all I am saying till the 20 game mark.

    9. Since I figure we’re gonna be picking in the 16-22 range this year, my money goes to Terrance Ferguson–who looks to be a solid and athletic 3-and-D SG, or Grayson Allen, who I think is going to
      be really good at the next level.

      Rodions Kurucs at SF looks interesting and seems to have high block and steal numbers for his position while shooting decently, but there’s just not enough info on him for me to figure out what his game is really. Short highlight videos at least make it seem like he has a polished, high effort game for his age. Also, he’s Latvian!

      Miles Bridges is a tweener SF/PF who’s very athletic, can rebound, and can guard multiple positions. He’s averaging 20pts/11.5 rebounds (!)/2.0 blocks per 40 and is shooting 40% from three on 5.3 3’s attempted per game. He looks good.

      Unfortunately, there’s kind of a dearth of PGs at what I speculate our draft pick range to be, so we might have to address our SG/SF needs first while looking for a PG elsewhere. In fact, that is a really weak draft for point guards outside the top 15 or so (if we’re lucky we get DeAaron Fox or Malik Monk, otherwise we’re SOL.) My mid-late 2nd round picks (since I imagine we’ll have two picks, one at 45-49 ish and one at 53-55 ish) would probably be Justin Jackson at SF, or Diego Flaccadori at SG. Melo Trimble is available but doesn’t seem to have distinguished himself this year or last, really.

    10. I don’t want to start a 300 comment thread but what science has definitively proven is that sweet potato pie is far better than pumpkin pie. It’s also proven by the taste test.

      That’s all I am saying till the 20 game mark.

      you can’t tell which is better from just one thanksgiving, moron. you need ample pies.

    11. Jowles — I’m sure your pie was great but, one Thanksgiving, I had pumpkin pie baked fresh on a sailboat anchored in Cane Garden Bay in Tortola in the British Virgin Islands. I can assure you — context matters in pumpkin pie — almost as much as it does in basketball…

    12. Any reason why Monte Morris is rated so low on mock drafts? Crazy efficient guard with a 6:1 Asst/TO ratio.

    13. PtMilo – The data is there on Pie Reference to back me up.

      Johnno – I hate you (edit: didn’t see it was one Thanksgiving. Thought you were somehow chiming in from a boat in the Caribbean, which would be an odd thing to do frankly.)

    14. I had the best pumpkin pie of my life yesterday. Instead of the typical diner-style gelatinous blob whatever, my hosts roasted their own pumpkin, and then made a cream-cheese/sour-cream base to mix it in. Then fresh whipped cream up top.

      That’s how a ruff rider makes a pumpkin pie

    15. Grayson Allen is the type of player team fans love and opponents hate with the passion of a hundred suns. There’s a douchey quality to everything he does out there on the court. I wonder if his limited athleticism will cost him out there. He may be better suited to coming off the bench.

    16. Could we get lucky 3 drafts in a row? KP in 2015, and then when we had no pick it was a weak draft and when we have another pick it’s another strong year? Lemonade out of lemons….

    17. DRed, Jowles, and Owen…
      Yal have me at my desk seriously laughing out loud today. Takes the sting out of having to report to work with a Thanksgiving Itis Conundrum aka food hangover lol

    18. @5

      It’s almost like their skill sets are somehow mutually beneficial. Almost like there are interaction effects in basketball.

      I went way too hard with the stuffing though. Always gets the best of me.

    19. Lets say the Knicks are good enough to make the playoffs and win a round but not good enough for ECF or the Finals. So we lose to like Toronto in the second round but win high 40s this year.

      Going into the draft we have a late first rounder and 2 second rounders.

      Would people be upset if we traded those picks (all 3 of them) for a high lottery pick? Like a team in the top 5 is willing to deal it to us for our first rounder and both our second rounders?

      How about trading the late first rounder and one of the second rounders for say a top 10 first round pick?

      Or would you rather roll the dice on a late first rounder and both the second rounders?

      IE, would you trade 3 lotto tickets with less chance to hit for 1 lotto ticket with a high chance to hit?

    20. Would people be upset if we traded those picks (all 3 of them) for a high lottery pick? Like a team in the top 5 is willing to deal it to us for our first rounder and both our second rounders

      You’d have to find a truly idiotic team to partner with to make a trade like that. Picking in the top 5 of this draft gives you a high percentage chance of landing a premium player. You don’t trade that away for like the #17, #45 and #50 pick. Second rounders just don’t pan out often enough for that kind of trade to make sense. Second round picks are essentially a fungible commodity, even more so because the second rounders the Knicks own aren’t likely to be high second-round picks. They own the Rockets’ pick and the Bulls’ pick.

    21. It’s almost like their skill sets are somehow mutually beneficial. Almost like there are interaction effects in basketball.

      So it would be ridiculous to claim Derrick Rose is significantly better than he seems because he’s the reason the offense has significantly improved between this year and last year.

    22. I believe Phil Jackson has stated repeatedly that the triangle is the optimal shaped slice of pumpkin pie.

    23. So it would be ridiculous to claim Derrick Rose is significantly better than he seems because he’s the reason the offense has significantly improved between this year and last year.

      If people are arguing he’s the sole reason for improvement, yes that’d be idiotic. My argument is that his and Jennings’ ability to penetrate and force defenses to rotate creates easier opportunities and mismatches for our skilled scorers like Melo and KP to take advantage of and has had an impact on their much improved efficiency this season. Also the presence of those skilled scorers who can also spread the floor often creates gaps for Rose to exploit and get to the rim that he didn’t have last season in Chicago with Pau, Noah, Taj, Felicio and Portis as the primary bigs.

      I would rather have a more efficient guard like Paul who can both distribute and score at elite levels, but Rose and Jennings are a reasonable upgrade for this season compared to what we had at the position last year.

    24. @ 28 – ok. So lets say there’s an idiot team out there willing to do that.

      OR, lets say we have a late first round and a team wants to trade us their late lottery pick (so we move up from like 19th/20th to say 10 or 11) but we gotta give them our first and one or both of the second rounders. Would you do that?

    25. Owen — it would be weird to chime in from a boat on Tortola. Although I must admit — this past summer I chimed in from a beach in St. Lucia.
      Reub — my cousin’s girlfriend made the apple pie, pumpkin pie and turkey. I made the sausage, meatballs and rum drinks.

    26. That all depends on who is on the board. If a guy like Jayson Tatum falls to 10 then you trade up and grab your future Melo.

    27. OR, lets say we have a late first round and a team wants to trade us their late lottery pick (so we move up from like 19th/20th to say 10 or 11) but we gotta give them our first and one or both of the second rounders. Would you do that?

      Yes, I’d probably do that, because the second rounders the Knicks own belong to the Rockets and Bulls, so they won’t even be high second round picks. They’re likely to be mid-t0-late second round picks. If the draft was held today those would be the #48 and #50 picks. You can simply buy picks like that if you’re so inclined.

    28. This year’s draft is full of guys with awesome names: Lonzo Ball, Malik Monk, Melo Trimble, OG Anunoby, Bam Adebayo, Dwayne Bacon, DJ Hogg, Bennie Boatwright…

    29. I don’t want to start a 300 comment thread but what science has definitively proven is that sweet potato pie is far better than pumpkin pie. It’s also proven by the taste test.

      I’m going to have to disagree. Sweet potato pie is loaded with oxalates which have been demonstrated by science to contribute to the formation of calcium oxalate kidney stones. Being a sufferer of kidney stones, I can tell you they are more painful than a Knicks team with Stephon Marbury as PG and Isiah Thomas in charge. Pumpkin wins all day. :-)

    30. This year’s draft is full of guys with awesome names: Lonzo Ball, Malik Monk, Melo Trimble, OG Anunoby, Bam Adebayo, Dwayne Bacon, DJ Hogg, Bennie Boatwright…

      OK, which two of these names did you make up

    31. was watching highlights and saw Calderon has started for Lakers recently, Phil must have told the Lakers he is a great locker room guy.. when is the Lakers Knicks game

    32. Grayson Allen is the type of player team fans love and opponents hate with the passion of a hundred suns. There’s a douchey quality to everything he does out there on the court. I wonder if his limited athleticism will cost him out there. He may be better suited to coming off the bench.

      I actually like Grayson Allen and think he’s better than people give him credit for. I don’t wanna say Coach K dumbs players’ games down, but it’s well known that prefers his players to stick with the system and freelance less. Allen could be one of those what I like to call Grant Hill examples. Not that I think he’ll ever be as great as Grant Hill, but the kid has a solid handle, a nice off the dribble game, and very underrated athleticism. No one really had an idea of how good Hill was until he got the rock full time in the NBA. I’m just saying that there’s probably more to Allen’s game than we know. Right now though, he kinda reminds me of Rex Chapman or a pre-injury Kerry Kittles

    33. Is it possible Jose and his 69.6 ts% are not getting the credit they deserve for turning the Lakers offense into the league’s 8th best unit in just 12 minutes per game?

      You gotta look at that I think….

    34. My argument is that his and Jennings’ ability to penetrate and force defenses to rotate creates easier opportunities and mismatches for our skilled scorers like Melo and KP to take advantage of and has had an impact on their much improved efficiency this season

      How much of an impact has it had? We’re near the bottom in the league in drives per game, points off drives and assists out of drives.

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