Knicks Morning News (2016.11.07)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks start fast, finish slow in 114-109 loss to Jazz
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:00:49 PM)

    The Knicks run out of gas after a 30-point first quarter in a loss to the Jazz Sunday.

  • [SNY Knicks] TD’s 3 Keys vs. the Utah Jazz
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:58:15 AM)

    Here are the three keys for the Knicks against the Utah Jazz…

  • [SNY Knicks] Thomas, Jennings need to help shore up Knicks’ bench
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:38:16 AM)

    Lance Thomas has the potential to serve as a long-range threat and help space the floor, but such an ability has not been on display this season.

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose must bloom in Knicks leadership role
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:04:01 PM)

    During his brief visit to Chicago, Derrick Rose was hit with questions about not stepping up as a leader last season when things went badly for the Bulls — charges that he was too quiet and into himself. Rose has not been afraid to be outspoken as a Knick in his inaugural season. He wasn’t…

  • [NYPost] Monstrous dunk victim Kristaps Porzingis vows revenge
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:07:43 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis will remember the date — March 22 — when the Knicks visit Utah. He wants a victory first and payback on Jazz center Rudy Gobert second. The 7-foot-1 Frenchmen got the better of Porzingis down the stretch in the fourth quarter Sunday, driving and skying over the 7-3 Latvian to throw down a…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose sounds off on defense after Knicks ‘give away’ game
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:45:52 AM)

    So much for carrying any momentum built in Chicago. Kristaps Porzingis and Carmelo Anthony came out scorching for their Sunday matinee against the Jazz as the Knicks built a 13-point lead in the second quarter before the defense failed them again. The Jazz shredded the Knicks’ defense in the fourth quarter with a 36-point barrage…

  • [ESPN] Derrick Rose: ‘Defense is everything with this team’
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:50:04 PM)

    Derrick Rose: ‘Defense is everything with this team’

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Hornacek wants no one to be focal point of Knicks’ offense
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:31:15 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis eventually will be the focal point of the offense, but Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks don’t want him to be that yet.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks defenseless against Jazz in fourth quarter
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:17:37 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis and the Knicks were riding high at the start of their Sunday matinee, but the fourth quarter was forgettable and regrettable for both.

  • [NYDN] Knicks fall apart in 4th quarter as Utah Jazz steal a 114-109 win
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:39:15 PM)

    After leading for most of Sunday, the Knicks were outscored by 11 points through the first half of the final period and lost, 114-109.

  • [NYTimes] Jazz 114, Knicks 109: Defensive Lapses Cost Knicks Against the Jazz
    (Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:26:58 PM)

    The Knicks continued to score at a sufficient pace, but Utah shot 50 percent from the field and took 35 free throws in rallying from a double-digit deficit.

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    90 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.07)”

    1. Easily. He couldn’t be any worse than the other GMs we’ve had over the years

    2. In a second. I don’t think devotion to a methodical, analytics-based approach is specific to a particular sport or even career.

    3. you could hire a chimp to randomly pick players from DraftExpress’s big board and it couldn’t be worse than 2014-15’s allegedly-professional team

    4. Scimming through the 2017 Free agency list. Going to be a very weak class. George Hill will probably get Mike Conley money if he keeps it up.

    5. Yeah, the entirety of the plan for turning this team into something resembling a semi-contender is “Chris Paul or bust.”

    6. At least we have our first round pick. Who knows by Trade Deadline maybe we flip a player or two for more picks.

      The whole Chris Paul thing is bad idea. Even of we add Paul to this team how much better will it be. Not a top 3 seed. I dont see why Chris Paul would risk the Twilight of his career to come play with Carmelo Anthony. I find that hard to believe.

      One thing for sure, theres going to be alot of money available this summer with a very shallow field.

    7. I would love to work out a deal and send Carmelo to Boston for some of their picks and Euro stash players. I dont even care about Melo being in the Division. The team to worry about in the Division is Philly.

    8. Throughout his entire career, I’ve felt like Derrick Rose was a tad overrated- the same way I felt about Melo with me being a Georgetown Hoyas fan. I eventually warmed up to Melo and saw how good he actually was when he became a Knick. Through the 1st 6 games, I’m starting to get the same feeling about Rose after seeing what he can do now that I’m following him closer. Except, I’m not sure if he’s really that good or just what we need at the PG spot. Even when we got Marbury, his best days were behind him even though he was the same age as Rose is now, and he did play very well for a little bit- at least until we hired Pringles. Rose looks pretty damn good so far. He’s missing shots he should hit, but I’m encouraged by the thought of what he can do once he gets used to the team and Hornacek’s system.

      I think Melo is a bigger problem than Rose so far. It seems like he doesn’t embrace the fact that we don’t need him to score 30 anymore. Has anyone else noticed that? He’s always hijacked the offense, but that was when he was pretty much all we had. But now, if we go 2-3 possessions without a Melo shot, he seems to ignore everyone else on the court and get his shot. I mean, he should probably be getting 23 ppg on less shot attempts and with a higher percentage. He can get open 3’s, KP is. Hell, if Melo’s gonna take 18-20 shots a game, he should be getting 26 ppg with all the other weapons around him taking some pressure off of him.

    9. It’s honestly weird how Melo was totally willing to defer and pass a ton last year and now he seems to just be almost exclusively doing dribble ISO pull ups. Pretty annoying.

    10. He told a courtside fan yesterday to Shut the Fuck up. Presumably because everyone was yelling at him to pass. Last year he was way more of a willing passer. I think there’s like a Jealousy complex going on with Melo. He doesnt want to play 3rd fiddle. Or maybe he wants to secure a spot as All Star Starter, and then start being more unselfish … idk Im out of Ideas

    11. Don’t get me wrong, Melo is still one of the best scorers in the league. But we don’t need him to do what he’s doing now. He need to trust the ball is gonna get to him in a good spot. Rose, Jennings, Noah, and Lee have all shown that they are willing passers. He is definitely not being Olympic Melo..the ’16 version where he was the undisputed leader on and off the court. Maybe he’s trying to find a rhythm amongst the extra weapons he now has alongside him. I dunno. Maybe he doesn’t think he can get 20-plus points a game playing off of KP & Rose. I think this is where Rose can step up as the PG and let him know that he can find him in the offense

    12. Melo is not one of the best scorers in the league, unless “one of the best” means top-75 or so

    13. I think Melo is a bigger problem than Rose so far.

      Offense, so far, has not really been the problem. It’s still a bit early, but we have the worst defense in the NBA. If you want to talk offense, though, both Rose & Melo take lots of shots. At least Melo’s shots go in. Melo’s been fine on offense. He’s been staying Melo.

    14. Melo WOULD be scoring a lot more if he wasn’t dreadful from 3. He’s shooting almos 60% from 2.

      I love the way everyone keeps tryna psychoanalyze this guy. He’s had some great assists this year and he’s had some great ISO play. It is what it is. Cot damn….will this referendum never die?

    15. If you don’t score efficiently you’re not one of the best scorers in the league

      If you score in high volume at average efficiency (Melo) you’re a good scorer, but not a great one. “Skills” and “game” are less relevant than, you know, putting the ball in the basket at a better rate than other people.

    16. That being said if he could just raise his 3pt % to his career average he’d really have a scoring stew going

      His defense has been really poor this year though.

    17. Also Kristaps is currently rocking a .613 TS% and shooting 43% from three on 5 3’s a game. What a lovely thing to see. If only he could start rebounding consistently again.

      Towns is still far ahead of him though and is looking like a top 10 player. Let’s hope Kris makes it competitive.

    18. They arent going to win many games unless they stop the other team from scoring at will. Defense has been awful this year. Offense has looked pretty good.

    19. Theo would do a great job.

      Melo is still gearing up it appears but the scoring is in-line. Trading him is the best thing for all parties concerned. He’d be a much better fit in a lot of other places and his trade value would probably be extremely high with the FA market thin. This is KP’s team and Jackson would be crazy not to recognize that and let him be the centerpiece next year.

      But it’s not happening.

    20. DRed has it right. It’s the defense that’s the problem. This is part of that “wait 20 games to complain” logic. They are having problems switching on P&R and defending the perimeter. How was Rodney Hood 5-8 4th qtr? He scored 12. That should never happen and pin the blame on the lineup.

    21. Has anyone seen Horny comment on Noah’s minutes? 20 minutes yesterday in a game where we came in after a day off, have two days off following, and it was tight the whole way? Something has to be going on. Either Noah isn’t healthy or Horny isn’t a fan. Either way it’s something to be worried about and probably part of the reason the D is off to such a shaky start.

    22. Thats where Melo falls short in the leadership category. He’s a premier scorer. No one can argue that. But he doesn’t set the tone for the team with his defensive approach. He takes too many plays off. He doesn’t hustle. And this is nothing mew. We’ve been watching this story play out for how many years now?

    23. @24 KP is the damn centerpiece now.
      I don’t see why people who think like you can’t see this.

      It’s like saying let’s trade Lebron because Kyrie is the centerpiece

    24. Melo WOULD be scoring a lot more if he wasn’t dreadful from 3. He’s shooting almos 60% from 2

      Duly noted- but has anybody been watching the games? I think what I’m saying is clearly obvious. I’m not bashing Melo, I still like him a lot as a player. But does no one else see him jacking up shots just to get his shots up? Rose and Jennings are taking bad shots as well, and it frustrates me just as much. Of course, if Melo was hitting his 3’s, he’d be killing defenses. I’m just trying to point out that he’s taking a bit too many shots out of rhythm. We finally have enough weapons out there where he doesn’t have to do that. I expect it from Rose for the 1st 10 games or so until he works himself back. But Melo has been there the whole time, plus he seems less willing to move the ball this season than he did last season. If there was ever a good time for Melo to use his teammates, it is now. He shouldn’t have to work so hard to score with KP’s improvement and Rose’s attacking. Plus he has Lee outside and Noah can find him if he moves better and works the offense the way Hornacek wants it. Granted, it’s still very early and things can and will most likely change. But it’s still disturbing to see. I think we all want to see Melo win, but playing the way he has so far isn’t gonna help him.

    25. Let’s not blame Melo’s offense for this loss. Watch that 4th quarter and the 2nd quarter when the Jazz gained ground to see why it happened. It was the second unit, mostly. Also, Melo scored 28 and had a team high 8 rebounds. With KP and Noah on this team, he should never lead in that category.

      I’ll repeat what I said yesterday before the game. The Knicks have a talented starting lineup. Now they need health, consistancy, chemistry and depth.

    26. Where would Melo be traded to? Besides Boston I’m not seeing were we can get a decent haul back.

    27. @22 I’m not really worried. Towns has more of his grown man body and Kris still needs to gain more strength.

    28. Well, I didn’t watch any sports at all yesterday and will not torture myself with reading the game thread, but looking at the box score, I have to say I am really impressed that we lost despite posting a team FG%/3P%/FT% of 50/40/89.5 and having only 12 turnovers.

      In fact, I thought that was sufficiently impressive enough that I looked at the B-R play index. Turns out since 1983-84 (32+ seasons x 82 games x ~30 teams = ~78000+ games) this feat has only been accomplished 18 times. Teams that have shot 50/40/89 with only 12 or fewer TOs are 190-18, which actually is worse than I thought it would be.

      I think we should be sad about the loss but really applaud the ability of this team to do special things.

      In all seriousness, it appears the defense was super-awful. But for the offense to have that kind of a performance against a full-strength Jazz team that was a top 7 defense last year, returned pretty much everyone significant or good, and figures to be even better this year after adding George Hill — that’s a pretty large silver lining to this cloud.

    29. How’s it out of rhythm if he’s hitting? The 3s are the wide open shots that he’s missing

      Maybe I worded it incorrectly, but I’ve seen way too many possessions through the 1st 6 games where Melo didn’t even look towards a teammate. A lot of them came after we went a few possessions without Melo getting a shot. I don’t know. Maybe the issue is Melo actually knows the triangle and gets frustrated when someone other than him takes an early shot. In any case, Melo looks less willing to use his teammates than he did last season.

      Let’s not blame Melo’s offense for this loss.

      Our defense sucks right now. Melo’s offense certainly the reason why the team is 2-4. Offensively however, we need the team leader and best offensive player to play a more inclusive brand of basketball- much like he did last season since we have better weapons around him

    30. Man, too much listening to ESPN. Melo took 20 shots and made 12 of them. That’s about what you want your first or second scorer to shoot. Zinger took 18. I don’t see what the problem is. 12 for 20 is pretty dang good. He was 0-6 from 3, so that’s dissappointing cause Melo’s 3 ball has regressed from a few seasons ago. Hopefully he can get that back. He makes 2 of those and we win that game.

      People act like Melo should never iso. REALLY? So when he’s one on one with his defender in his spot he shouldn’t take the shot? He’s freaking Carmelo Anthony. Most of the time he’s gonna make that.

    31. Melo could be passing a bit more, but the major issue is he is missing a lot of wide open 3’s. He’s only shooting 22% from 3 point range on high volume, and if you look at the player shot tracking, he’s shooting 10% from on “open” shots and 30% on “wide open” shots — and he’s shooting about 1.7 of each of those per game. In past seasons he’s shot >45% on wide open shots and at least 30+% on the opens hots.

    32. @Frank
      Good Points.
      And this team hasn’t even hit full stride. Inagine what they can do woth better ball movement. Tons of easy shots were missed by Rose. Melo missed all 6 of his 3’s.

      The offense has improved a mile since the first game in Cleveland and there is still a ton more room for improvement. I see the Silver Lining indeed. I think everyone is just mad because we should of had that game yesterday.

      Hopefully we Pummel Brooklyn without Jeremy Lin.

    33. @24 KP is the damn centerpiece now.
      I don’t see why people who think like you can’t see this.

      It’s like saying let’s trade Lebron because Kyrie is the centerpiece

      Well, he has been the centerpiece for the last two games. But hard to me to say that KP is the center of this team rather than Melo.

    34. In any case, Melo looks less willing to use his teammates than he did last season.

      This may be due to the presence of Rose n Jennings. Its possible he has shifted back into pure scorer mode because having competent penetrating guards is not something we had last year.

    35. Our defense sucks right now. Melo’s offense certainly the reason why the team is 2-4. Offensively however, we need the team leader and best offensive player to play a more inclusive brand of basketball- much like he did last season since we have better weapons around him

      I just noticed my typo..I meant to say Melo’s offense certainly ISN’T the reason why the team is 2-4. My bad

    36. Our defense sucks right now. Melo’s offense certainly the reason why the team is 2-4.

      The first sentence is correct. The second isn’t. He’s done his job… OK, seeing your correction, I take back my critique of it.

      Offensively however, we need the team leader and best offensive player to play a more inclusive brand of basketball- much like he did last season since we have better weapons around him

      You have it backwards. Our point guards, Rose and Jennings need to be those leaders that enforce inclusive basketball.

    37. I remember back in the day when Melo would shoot 25+ shots but now 20 shots is a lot. lol.

      I will agree that Melo missed a lot of open people and is playing with his head down when isolating but in the 4th he came out of that mold and move with out the ball and was passing which is weird because usually in the 4th he isolate and tries to take the game over. Yesterday in the 4th it was Kristaps hunting shots and this was after getting a few passes on cuts. Like any good player Kristaps was getting frustrated after not getting the ball when he was in the post.

    38. Yeah no offense to KP but I don’t think you can say he’s the centerpiece. I mean he looked great the last 2 games. The 2 before? Not so much. If anything him and Melo need to split the centerpiece and it seems like these last 2 games that is what they’ve been doing. I hate that people are gonna make this a thing. I mean should Carmelo just never shoot?

    39. Our defense didn’t suck yesterday because of lack of effort, it sucked because it was just plain stupid. Fouling two 3 point shooters, committing dumb off the ball fouls, etc. It seemed like we were over the limit halfway through every quarter. And of course the Jazz made 86% of their foul shots.

      And the two chief perpetrators in the dumb fouls department were Zinger and Melo FWIW.

    40. DRed has it right. It’s the defense that’s the problem. This is part of that “wait 20 games to complain” logic. They are having problems switching on P&R and defending the perimeter. How was Rodney Hood 5-8 4th qtr? He scored 12. That should never happen and pin the blame on the lineup.

      Pretty much this. We can complain about the offense until we’re blue in our faces, but the main problem confronting this team is the terrible defense it plays.

    41. The Knicks’ offense has been surprisingly good– they rank 12th in offensive rating, buoyed by a solid eFG%. Unfortunately, I think they are due to regress to the mean in terms of eFG%. They are being led by the scorching hot shooting of Kristaps Porzingis and Courtney Lee, who have eFG% of .576 and .585 respectively. Those are probably not sustainable numbers. Courtney Lee’s number is 70 points above his career average, and Porzingis’ number is up over 100 points from last season.

      Just about everybody else on the roster is right in the range of where you’d expect them to be in terms of eFG%, a few guys slightly underperforming and a few slightly overperforming.

    42. Defense and the Bench. Those are the glaring weaknesses of the team.

      I’m ok with where we are. Defense will get better as the team plays more together. The Bench is concerning but some of this is Horns figuring out which units to use. I imagine in a few weeks he’ll settle on his lineups and rotations and we’ll get better. Still, we could use one more bench piece.

    43. I’m not worried about the offense, or Melo really.
      We’re getting a lot of passing, nice penetration and we have some efficient scoring.

      My concern is defense: wide open threes, wide open shooters all over, and no help on penetration.
      At one point, I noted Utah was really good at hitting uncontested shots.
      But our greatest weakness, and this is baffling with KP and Noah, is our defensive rebounding.
      We are giving opponents so many extra shots.
      We don’t block out at every position and our bigs are often to far from the net to contest.
      I bet if we clamped down on defensive rebounding alone, we could take our opponents scoring average under 100 points.

      We also seem to lose players. so many open jays.
      This is a coaching issue.
      We have very good defenders on this team. Right now they don’t play well on D together.
      New teams with a new cast of characters often struggle defensively. I think we will know more about our D by the 25th game.
      By then they get to know each other.

    44. I think it’s too early to be too concerned about the defense.

      The big concern is the bench. As it stands we have two, maybe three unquestionable NBA players on our bench and zero scorers. It’s truly painful watching those all bench units. Unfortunately, I don’t see much of a way to improve this and it’s only going to get worse. The bench was a huge problem last year too, when we started 22-22 and then fell off a cliff because we didn’t have any quality guys to take some of the minutes load off our starters.

      We desperately need wing depth. Like honestly, do we have any viable NBA wings? Lance Thomas, maybe…

    45. it might be just a little early to freak out too much about the defense. if you look at the defensive rankings now, there are a few teams at the bottom that are really surprising — including Boston (2nd worst in the league), GS (23rd in the league), Indy (4th worst). Those were 3 of the top 5 defenses in the league last year.

    46. The big concern is the bench. As it stands we have two, maybe three unquestionable NBA players on our bench and zero scorers.

      I’m not a big Jennings fan, but I wouldn’t say that he isn’t a scorer. But yes, otherwise, the bench is far, far too green to expect much from it.

    47. I’m not a big Jennings fan, but I wouldn’t say that he isn’t a scorer. But yes, otherwise, the bench is far, far too green to expect much from it.

      That’s why Hornacek HAS to have one of KP, Rose, or Melo on the floor at all times. Those all bench units + Courtney Lee stretches are just awful.

    48. The Knicks’ offense has been surprisingly good– they rank 12th in offensive rating, buoyed by a solid eFG%. Unfortunately, I think they are due to regress to the mean in terms of eFG%. They are being led by the scorching hot shooting of Kristaps Porzingis and Courtney Lee, who have eFG% of .576 and .585 respectively. Those are probably not sustainable numbers. Courtney Lee’s number is 70 points above his career average, and Porzingis’ number is up over 100 points from last season.

      One could always hope that Kristaps is making the leap.
      He comes with the rep of being a great shooter. Hornacek has said he’s basically automatic from the corner in practice and that his range extends well beyond the 3 point line. Given that almost every 3 he takes is uncontested, it’s not a stretch to think he could shoot 40+% from 3.

      But agree that Courtney Lee’s shooting has been ridiculously good, and almost certainly unsustainable.

    49. Knicks are 12th in offensive rating, 12th in TS, 11th in efg%, 9th in TO%, 18th in assist percentage, and 20th in o reb%.

      The starters numbers are off the charts good offensively. Melo, Rose, KP,Noah, and Lee are all at least +11.7 in net rating.

      With Melo on the floor, team offensive rating is 112.9, with Rose, 113.8; KP, 112.5; Lee, 110.2 and Noah, 123.5!

      The starters are KILLING it on offense right now, but they are hemorrhaging points defensively.

    50. Knicks are 30th in defensive rebounding. And far as incredible as KP has been on offense, right now that’s the biggest issue defensively, and he’s been the main culprit.

    51. Why didn’t we sign Archie Goodwin, or at the very least jave him come on for a workout? Suprised to find out he got cut, maybe something was wrong there with him in Phoenix. Gotta think Chasson Randle & Cleanthony will be up here soon. They should release Vujacic & send down Plumlee.

    52. Something must have been up with Goodwin, as he was in the wind way longer than you would expect for a guy like him. He’s the kind of guy you figured would get snatched up as soon as he was waived. Instead, it took like two weeks and a roster spot opening up due to a major injury to get him a job.

    53. Melo and Rose would be good 3rd options or 6th men on a championship caliber team. The good news is that it “appears” KP may be close to breaking out as a legitimate #1 scoring option with both high usage and very high efficiency. He just needs to get better down low when he has a mismatch and the team is his.

    54. Gotta think Chasson Randle & Cleanthony will be up here soon.

      Lol why would Cleanthony be called up?

      On Goodwin, Phoenix fans don’t seem to be high on him and say his defense is pretty much non existent. Randle actually showed some promise in that area.

    55. Goodwin has shown nothing but piss poor play during his three year stint in the NBA. That being said, he’s ahletic and still pretty young, so there’s time to turn it around. I’d still take Randle, I think.

    56. I see Silky beat me to it. He is listed as a 6’5″ SG/PG. He has slightly more turnovers than assists for his career. His assists are sub 6/36 minutes which is weak for a PG. He shoots under 25% from 3. He averages 1.1 steals, 0.5 Blk and 5.0 reb/36. In other words, whatever athleticism he possesses has not, to date, translated itself on the basketball court. He is the Mike Mamula or Vernon Gholston of the NBA.

    57. Once Rose’s eyesight is fixed and his knee is fully rehabilitated and he fixes his layup touch and he is 22 years old again, he’s going to be a real net-plus sixth man for a 7-seed in a weak conference.

      Big upside guy, interested to see him reach his 50th percentile potential.

    58. Horny was Goodwin’s coach in Phoenix and he obviously doesn’t like him.

      Randle should be back, hopefully for Sasha.

      Plumlee and/or Willy should replace O’Quinn and his hot doggedness soon. The next time that he doesn’t hustle back on defense should be his last.

      Melo is holding the ball and facilitating much less than last year. He still wants to be “the man” but he’s barely equal to our other 4 starters.

      I’m waiting and hoping for the day that Ron Baker makes a big splash for us. It’s coming!

      Keep the faith fans, we’re still putting this burgeoning dynasty together.

    59. @reub I still haven’t quite figured you out. With every player except Melo, you have this blind, mostly irrational optimism (remember Tony Wroten?) but with Melo, you kind of sound like a lot of the other more rational posters.

      Did he not give you an autograph once or something?

    60. just logged in…by far the most insightful, truthful and frighteningly predictive comment:

      you could hire a chimp to randomly pick players from DraftExpress’s big board and it couldn’t be worse than 2014-15’s allegedly-professional team

      a monkey on merlot (or whatever it is jackson prefers)…note to all – wine and weed combined can have some devastating effects while trying to construct a basketball team…

    61. I’m actually surprised that the offense has been this good this soon, but the D really stinks. Just way too many wide open shots all over the place. Some of it is effort.

      Scoring off the bench is a concern, but maybe Kuz can fill some of that void? In order to know, he’s got to get more playing time. He had as many points and rebounds as LT yesterday in far fewer minutes. And, it is not like LT is anything like a lockdown defender…

    62. Actually I never have asked Melo for an autograph. I don’t like his game much because it doesn’t do much to help the team win. And, as you well know, I’m all about the Knicks winning.

    63. I think, at the root. the Melo complaints are about money. He’s paid a lot, he cost a lot of assets, and he gets a lot of press, so fans want miracles from him. He doesn’t provide miracles, but he’s earning his money at current NBA pay scales. As evidence of this I would note that his stats quoted above are good, but people are complaining anyway. If he did everything people here are asking of him, he’d be way underpaid in today’s environment.

    64. Knicks got bad luck…Hill out tonight. They have played their only game with the full starting lineup against the Knicks lol

    65. I remember in the 2010-2011 season, before the Melo trade, the Knicks and Bulls were neck and neck in the conference standings. Then, all of a sudden, the Bulls stopped losing and became the #1 seed in the East. Last season the Knicks and Celtics were neck and neck and then those guys stopped losing and clicked. I think the signs are there for the Knicks; stop fouling and be a better rebounding team. We’re a good offense (and we’d probably be top 5 if we could have traded for George Hill or Jeff Teague instead of Derrick Rose) and should remain that way for the rest of the season. Courtney Lee takes great shots and should convert them at a high rate.

      The problem is so obviously the discipline with which we play with defensively. Too many dumb fouls are called because we play defense with our hands, we jump on pump fakes, we close out too late or too hard (I’m looking at you, Melo), and we don’t commit to playing Joakim Noah 30 minutes a night. We need to fix that immediately. This team has talent. Once they figure out what they’re doing defensively they’ll be in the top half of the league. If the offense keeps up then we’ll be really good this year.

    66. Not sure what we can do about the rebounding problems other than giving Plumlee a spin. There aren’t too many + rebounders on the roster. Maybe play Sasha more? Lee is a shit rebounder.

    67. The problem is so obviously the discipline with which we play with defensively.

      This. We don’t look like we have a defensive plan. When you’ve got no plan, everybody thinks they just need to try harder which leads to dumb fouls, overreactions, ect. We play as a team on offense, but there’s hardly any team defense. Is it because they’re practicing against the triangle? Or was Lee suggesting they practice against the PnR because they aren’t practicing defense at all? We look bad defending the PnR but honestly we’re bad at defending basically everything. This is a coaching problem. I hope this is a ‘one thing at a time’ situation and once Hornacek is satisfied that the offense is running smooth he’ll ramp up the defense. Still early.

    68. re: rebounding- As far as the first unit goes it really comes down to KP- even if you factor in the Lopez effect you’d like to think his numbers would go up this year but they’ve dropped off a bit. I’m not sure any other starters can drastically improve their numbers. As for the bench- swapping out Lance for Ndour would help some even if Ndour’s numbers are pretty underwhelming. He wasn’t a bad rebounder in college so I’m hoping his numbers improve with more playing time. And really, if Lance can’t hit jumpers you aren’t getting anything from him that Ndour wouldn’t give you anyway. That and KOQ getting back to his normal career numbers would help a lot.

    69. @statmuse
      The mark for 30pt/15ast games in a season since 85-86 is 6 by Magic Johnson. James Harden already has 4 this season.

      haha

    70. @statmuse
      The mark for 30pt/15ast games in a season since 85-86 is 6 by Magic Johnson. James Harden already has 4 this season.
      haha

      He did have 8 turnovers tonight, but he’s having a ridiculous season so far. I was at the game at MSG, and it felt like we were completely helpless on defense when he came up the court. It sort of reminded me when the Knicks faced Bird in his prime, when he would make every right decision, every right pass, every open shot and before you know it, you’re gettin’ your ass kicked.

    71. Is it possible that Porzingis’ rebounding stats are down because the team no longer has Robin Lopez, who was known for being excellent at boxing out? I would try to figure that out myself with NBAWowy or something but I can never figure out how to make that site work right.

      I really like the way Domantas Sabonis looks so far. That kid is going to be a good player.

    72. He’s just getting pushed underneath the rim. Part of the problem has been the physical power forwards he’s faced: Gibson, Favors, Thompson/Love, Green/Randolph,

    73. George Hill would be a good pickup and what’s with the arms behind the back defense from Lance? Hayward went to the foul line so many times and 12/12 at one stage with 1 field goal… and Melo was efficient in the first half too.. this roster need a catalyst

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