Knicks Morning News (2016.10.11)

  • [NYTimes] Sparks 78, Lynx 76 | Finals Los Angeles leads series, 1-0: Sparks’ Alana Beard Hits Buzzer-Beater to Defeat Lynx in Game 1
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 7:31:48 PM)

    With two M.V.P. teammates drawing attention, Beard buried a baseline jumper to give Los Angeles the first game of the W.N.B.A. finals over the Minnesota Lynx.

  • [SNY Knicks] Thomas sinks winning free throws in final second as Knicks top Wizards
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 10:18:38 PM)

    Lance Thomas hit two free throws with 0.2 seconds remaining to break a tie and give the New York Knicks a 90-88 win over the Washington Wizards on Monday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks Preseason Q and A
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 3:00:43 PM)

    With the Knicks heading into their third preseason game tonight at MSG, SNY.tv’s Tommy Dee takes to Twitter to answer questions about the team and their future.

  • [SNY Knicks] Does Hornacek hold keys to teaching Jackson’s triangle?
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 12:55:49 PM)

    Following two dismal seasons under Phil Jackson’s guidance, it’s no wonder so many around the Knicks organization question the effectiveness of the triangle offense.

  • [SNY Knicks] The Knicks Blog Podcast: We’re Back!
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 12:05:50 PM)

    The Knicks Blog Podcast: We’re Back!

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson says Knicks are ‘hand-picked’ players he wanted
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 10:12:00 PM)

    Phil Jackson has 11 rings and one short memory.

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings turning into a fan favorite
    (Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:00:02 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings turning into a fan favorite

  • [ESPN] Phil Jackson: Knicks’ roster presents ‘a minimal risk and a great reward’
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 1:15:12 PM)

    Phil Jackson: Knicks’ roster presents ‘a minimal risk and a great reward’

  • [NYDN] The Triangle stays but only on Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek’s terms
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 9:40:27 PM)

    Bravo to Phil Jackson for finally understanding that once he hires a head coach it is incumbent upon the team prez to allow him to coach.

  • [NYDN] Knicks players call foul on Donald Trump
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 8:42:28 PM)

    Donald Trump has managed to offend a new group of people — athletes.

  • [NYDN] Knicks president Phil Jackson admits triangle offense is outdated
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 4:12:34 PM)

    Even Phil Jackson has realized that his baby — the triangle — is outdated.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ young point guard picks up two major endorsements
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 8:18:52 PM)

    Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek appears overjoyed the Knicks landed point guard Chasson Randle in August after he became July’s summer league sensation in Orlando. According to an NBA source, Randle chose the Knicks over Oklahoma City and signed him to a partially guaranteed deal. That’s a good sign since Thunder general manager Sam Presti is…

  • [NYPost] Massage therapist could decide Derrick Rose’s trial fate
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 8:08:58 PM)

    A massage therapist with martial-arts training — and possibly a penchant for group sex — looms large over the $21.5?million civil rape trial against Knick Derrick Rose. Jessica “Kendra” Groff is scheduled to testify as early as Tuesday in Los Angeles federal court about what happened between Rose, his two friends and their accuser, who…

  • [NYPost] Brandon Jennings suddenly a fan favorite after bizarre faceoff
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 6:21:31 PM)

    Lance Thomas won the game with two last-second free throws, but the Knicks feisty new point guard, Brandon Jennings, won the crowd. With Carmelo Anthony (19 points) and Kristaps Porzingis (15 points) leading the way, the Knicks beat the Wizards 90-88 in a preseason game Monday at the Garden as Thomas drew a foul with…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson’s revisionist Knicks history is absurd
    (Monday, October 10, 2016 11:18:13 AM)

    Phil Jackson needs one of those presidential fact-checking alerts that have become so popular during this election season. In a bizarrely inaccurate comment made on a Shaquille O’Neal podcast posted Monday, the Knicks president claimed this summer was the first time in his presidency he had cap space to “handpick’’ his roster. Jackson added his…

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    48 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.10.11)”

    1. Really entertaining game last night.

      I guess Sasha is a lock to make the roster just because of his history with Phil and also that he seems to be BFF with KP. But boy it seems to be a mistake to keep him over Randle or Baker.

      Willy HG – 5 turnovers in 18 minutes, some of the worst PNR defense you’ll ever see. I like Willy but he needs some seasoning.

      Chasson Randle – not fit to be a primary ball handler. We should rename him BJ Armstrong Jr. He looks incapable of really creating anything for himself or others. I guess a good comp would be Gary Neal or some other such player. I’d still like to keep him though.

      Ron Baker – pretty solid defender, really pretty shot. I would keep him over Randle if I had to choose. I wonder if he would get snapped up by another team if we sent him to the D-League.

      KP – a couple times it looks like they ran him off screens as sort of a set thing. I loved the one where he was on the baseline and I think it was Lee who set sort of a pin down for him, leading to wide open FT line jumper. I would MUCH rather get him touches like that than have him catch in the post and then face up his guy. He’s just not ready yet to create much off the dribble in an iso situation. Attacking off closeouts – yes. Crossover dribbles 1-on-1 — no. He also got at least his second bucket in the last 2 games with a really nice baseline cut off Jennings’s penetration. Dude is just so talented.

      Melo – has played really under control within the offense the last 2 games. 35 points on 22 shots the last 2 games, with 9 out of the 22 FGA being 3 point shots. 18 shots per 36 min. That’s a shot volume and shot distribution I can get behind.

      by the way anyone else notice how the offense ground to a halt when they tried to run Triangle? Brutal.

      I wonder why no Kuz.

    2. The offense really ground to a halt when KOQ came in the game and felt the need to hold the ball for 15 seconds and survey the defense. Really sick of his play and lack of game awareness.

      And yeah they looked less fluid running the offense in the halfcourt, but some of those lineups were doomed for failure. Would really like to get a look at Randle next to Jennings or Rose. Additionally it makes sense the halfcourt offense would be less fluid since so many of the guys are still adjusting to what we’re running, though even in the halfcourt it seems that we are running a lot more side and high PNRs.

    3. Sorry, but other than some good defensive rebounding, OQ really adds little. As lp said, he is a bit of a ball stopper, too. However, Noah’s injury history may mean that OQ is a lock to make the team, but maybe Hernangomez will get more minutes early on?

      They really need to keep Baker, or they are going to lose him in the D-L. The guy does a little bit of everything. How in the world did he not get drafted in the 2nd round?

      Sasha hit a three last night, but otherwise was toast. He simply can’t defend at all. I really hope that Phil goes all-in with getting younger/quicker/more athletic by keeping both Baker and Randle. To do that, Sasha must be released. But, his glue guy status may keep him on the roster.

      Has Plumlee shown enough to stay over Lou as the 15th man? I sure hope/think so.

      I read that Kuz’s DNP was due to Hornacek wanting to give LT a bunch of minutes to supposedly shake off his rust. LT was awful until hitting 3 shots late.

    4. oquinn’s per 36 line last year – 2p fg .498 pts 14.6 reb 11.8 ast 3.4 to 2.9 blk 2.3

      that’s exactly what you want out of your bench big…. hell.. even some starters… what holds him back is that he probably thinks he’s better than he is… so he shoots probably a lil more than he should.. and he probably handles the ball a little too much on offense….

      his usg is over 20 which is the main reason why ppl really really hate him…it should be more like 12-15%… he’s flawed yes.. but he’s not starting…. and flawed players usually come off the bench… and his flaw isn’t actually that bad all things considered…. he doesn’t have the defensive shortcomings that wily has for instance.. if the coaching staff can reign him in a bit then you have yourself one of the best bench bigs in the league….

    5. IMO O’Quinn looks better on a stat sheet than he does on the floor. He’s a detriment to the team on both ends, except for the odd game here and there when his mid-range is on point. Most of the time he alternates ball stopping with hero ball passes that don’t work out. The biggest issue is there’s zero consistency in his game.

      I thought he was going to be a steal when I BRef scouted him the summer of his signing, but after more than a year now of watching his play I could care less whether he’s here or not. The dude has no concept of how to use the very real NBA skills he has consistently to perform in game situations.

    6. i think that’s a very pessimistic view of him….. he absolutely does dumb things… that’s what happens when you’re doing too much…. but he also does good things… think of it this way… if he didn’t do dumb things he’d be a bonafide starter and we wouldn’t have him for the bargain contract he has….

      he has real talent and real production that’s been consistent since he’s been in the league… if you look at him and say we have better options for his minutes… then i think you are absolutely crazy…

      just because he has a higher bar and the other new faces have lower bars…. that doesn’t mean that wily, plumlee or ndour of all ppl are all of a sudden better than him… wily has a chance to be better… but i have high conviction that it is not going to be this year…. the other two i have conviction that they will never ever ever ever be as good as oquinn’s worst year…

      giving up on koq is a recipe for disaster….

    7. I thought he was going to be a steal when I BRef scouted him the summer of his signing, but after more than a year now of watching his play I could care less whether he’s here or not. The dude has no concept of how to use the very real NBA skills he has consistently to perform in game situations.

      Same thing here — but i’m not so quick to write him off. He’s young enough that you’d at least like to see if they can get thru to him with a bit less of a clusterfucky situation this year. Especially when the alternative is marshall plumlee.

      As usual, we shouldn’t expect things to change, but we should (in this case) give it a shot — don’t see much opportunity cost wasted here, for better or worse.

      On another note, how bout the quality of the 3s yesterday? So many catch and shoot, especially for Melo. If we can get the ratio of catch and shoot 3s to all 3s for melo back up to 2012 levels he should see a nice efficiency bump. Lee , as usual, had a few catch and shoot opportunities (and showcased complete comfort attacking the close out too). Jennings is obviously comfortable and capable off the catch.

      Between increasing the # of halfcourt catch and shoot 3s, and increasing transition layups+3s, ya would hope we could at least sniff 15-20 in ORTG this year. The bar is admittedly low, but hey. It is what it is. lol.

    8. One of the tenants of the Triangle is being able to make game flow passes, cuts, or shots. As much as I like him, KOQ seems to think too much to be fluid in those sets. Don’t get me wrong, I like him because he’s a New Yorker and he looks like the reincarnated Sean Price, but I could live without him.

      If we cut Baker he’s gone. Hustle guys that are well coached in college and can hit a 3 are going to be more and more valuable off the bench. I’d rather see Sasha become a coach than take up a roster spot. But here we are. Along the razors edge.

    9. @8

      More than a 3rd of our shot attempts yesterday were 3s (30 of 84 total FGAs). That’s a big change from last season.

      @7 + 8

      Sure KOQ might be the best of what we have, but that’s not saying much and he’s a guy who has frustrated coaches throughout his career because of his slow and poor decision making. Yeah, sure, keep him around, but I’m not expecting much from him and I’d be very okay with moving him on if Willy can do the job during the regular season.

      So far the theory of Kyle O’Quinn has been much better than the reality. His per-36 stats belie the impact he has on the floor and is a major reason none of his coaches to date have trusted him consistently.

    10. It’s hard to love KOQ since he has that disease where every eight minutes you forget you’re not Magic Johnson, but there is a definite problem without him. Billy looks as bad or even worse than advertised defensively. I honestly think Washington could have put two of their fans in the PNR against Jennings and Billy and come out with good shots. We only have two big forwards who can defend at all, and one is pretty injury prone while the other we like to stick on guys like Ryan Anderson. We need KOQ, especially when Noah isn’t available.

    11. Were going to need Sasha this year. He’s 6’7. He gives us good size on the defensive. And Yes he is experienced. He’s definitely shouldn’t be a part of any future plans we have but for THIS SEASON we are going to need him.

      Yes Ron Baker can hit a three, but he’s undersized, & Not really that quick. He’s not terrible and of he makes roster I’ll be ok. But we need Sasha this year.

    12. If I’m making roster cuts, Plumlee goes first because he’s bad enough right now that nobody stops him from being a Westchester Knick. Lou is useless so he goes, too. I’d cut Sasha but that won’t happen. I think we have to keep Randle and Baker on the roster and just assign them to the D League Knicks if they weren’t playing enough. Randle is the 3rd PG on the roster and we just can’t run Sasha out there at the PG slot. That’s madness.

      I’d be tempted to cut Holiday. I think Baker and Randle are better than him, and Holiday is too old to actually improve very much. My cuts would be Tokoto, Amundson, Plumlee, and Holiday. Opening day roster looks like:

      PG: Rose, Jennings, Randle
      SG: Lee, Vujacic, Baker
      SF: Melo, Thomas
      PF: KP, Kuz, Ndour
      C: Noah, Billy Buckets, O’Quinn

      Since we’re at 14 you could probably keep Plumlee and assign him to the D League, or if you don’t fear losing Plumlee then keep Holiday. But Tokoto and Amundson have to go.

    13. Skeptics have every right to remain bearish on the Knicks prospects this year, but I think it can be said objectively that the team’s depth appears pretty decent.

      Really looking forward to seeing how much Noah improves the team defensively. We’ve already seen glimpses of a team appears to be considerably improved and more well-balanced offensively than last year’s squad.

    14. I wish we still had Galloway and Derrick Williams. Those two would have really done well with Hornacek.

    15. Really looking forward to seeing how much Noah improves the team defensively

      and offensively/ on the glass. Just excited to watch him play in general.

      But then again he took my HS to the state championship while i was there so I’m biased. ha

    16. objectively that the team’s depth appears pretty decent.

      Do you means “appears” in the sense that they’ve played okay in two out of three preseason games? If so, sure, but that’s a pretty meaningless sample. The issue is that we have zero depth with any established bonafides. Jennings is gernally overqualified to be a backup PG, but is coming off a serious injury and was pretty bad after the injury last year. I think he’ll be good for us though. Lance was great last year, but has no track record otherwise. I also believe in him. Unfortunately, those are by far our two most established bench guys. There isn’t even another guy who I think you can be confident is deserving of being an NBA rotation guy at this point.

      Are there a lot of young guys who we can wishcast good things for? Definitely. Have those guys played okay so far? Yup. Is the team’s depth “objectively” pretty decent? We have a long, long way to go to get there in my opinion. If I made a list of biggest strengths and weaknesses for this Knicks team, depth would be right up at the top of the weaknesses category along with health.

    17. So far the theory of Kyle O’Quinn has been much better than the reality. His per-36 stats belie the impact he has on the floor and is a major reason none of his coaches to date have trusted him consistently.

      This is speculative bullshit. I can certainly accept that his per-36 stats are not picking up on something, but last year we played Kevin Seraphin over O’Quinn. You look at per-36, advanced box score, on/off, adujusted plus minus stats, the eye test-anything, and Seraphin is significantly worse than O’Quinn. Whatever reason the Knicks had for playing O’Quinn over Seraphin last season either had nothing to do with on court impact or the Knicks don’t correctly evaluate on court impact.

    18. This is speculative bullshit. I can certainly accept that his per-36 stats are not picking up on something, but last year we played Kevin Seraphin over O’Quinn. You look at per-36, advanced box score, on/off, adujusted plus minus stats, the eye test-anything, and Seraphin is significantly worse than O’Quinn. Whatever reason the Knicks had for playing O’Quinn over Seraphin last season either had nothing to do with on court impact or the Knicks don’t correctly evaluate on court impact.

      What the fuck does any of this have to do with what I said? Was I arguing that Seraphin is better than Kyle O’Quinn?

    19. You’re saying O’Quinn’s stats belie his impact because his coaches don’t play him. But his coaches last year played a vastly inferior player instead of him. That suggests that either the Knicks aren’t capable of evaluating on court impact or were not playing him for reasons that had nothing to do with his on court impact. Either way it’s not strong evidence that his per-36 stats belie his impact on the court.

    20. You’re saying O’Quinn’s stats belie his impact because his coaches don’t play him. But his coaches last year played a vastly inferior player instead of him. That suggests that either the Knicks aren’t capable of evaluating on court impact or were not playing him for reasons that had nothing to do with his on court impact. Either way it’s not strong evidence that his per-36 stats belie his impact on the court.

      No, it suggests that he’s not good and his coaches don’t trust him so they’ll give other guys run because O’Quinn doesn’t bring production consistently and does things that drive coaches absolutely nuts like commit stupid fouls constantly and commit turnovers at an extremely high rate while sporting an over 20% usage. You do those things often and coaches will bench you even if the alternative is a worse option.

      Can he be a good player? Yeah, he probably can if he cut out the stupid shit he does and performs with some consistency, but he hasn’t demonstrated that ability in either New York or Orlando. That isn’t completely his fault, but he has to take some blame for his struggles. His high end performance when he makes quick decisions is pretty good, but he hasn’t done it often enough in his career.

    21. Kevin Seraphin is essentially as foul prone and commits turnovers just a frequently as Kyle on the same usage. He just misses more shots and gets to fewer rebounds. Playing Seraphin over O’Quinn doesn’t mean O’Quinn isn’t as good as his stats suggests, because there is no way Seraphin is a more productive player. It doesn’t mean the Knicks were wrong to not play O’Quinn, but it’s not because of his on court productivity

    22. Were going to need Sasha this year. He’s 6’7. He gives us good size on the defensive. And Yes he is experienced. He’s definitely shouldn’t be a part of any future plans we have but for THIS SEASON we are going to need him.

      Yes Ron Baker can hit a three, but he’s undersized, & Not really that quick. He’s not terrible and of he makes roster I’ll be ok. But we need Sasha this year.

      Yeah, we probably do. As things currently stand I’d take Baker over Randle, but he’s not really a PG (neither is Randle). If (when?) Rose or Jennings miss some time we’re probably going to have to add someone else to play backup PG if it’s going to be for more than a couple games. I don’t think the solution to that problem is on the team at the moment.

    23. Baker will stick. Phil waited the entire draft night and beyond to sign him. And he’s going to be great. A young, new Hornacek.

    24. @23

      KOQ is better than Seraphin. That doesn’t make him a good player and that’s not a standard which automatically means a coach will stick with you when you’re struggling.

      I don’t care that he was better than Seraphin last year, because he still isn’t a good player imo. I’m sure he still will get minutes if he’s here because we’re going to have to often find the hot hand on any given night off the bench, but if he was traded I couldn’t care less.

    25. Knicks sign Damien Inglis…. whoever that is…

      I presume it’s just a training camp contract, so just $50,000 or so. Good for him. The lives of fringe NBA players always interests me. How you get $50,000 here, $50,000 there and then try to make out some sort of living in Europe. Paul Shirley’s book about being a fringe NBA player was excellent. Too bad Shirley turned out to be a bit of a dumbass with his ridiculous views regarding relief aid. He would have been a good commentater if he had just stayed out of his own way.

    26. lavor… you have to grade things on a curve….

      here is a list of the #1 big man off the bench for eastern conf teams:
      hawes
      mickey
      embiid
      joel anthony
      frye
      nogueira
      feliciano
      allen
      henson
      tavares
      mcroberts
      mahinmi

      can you get past 4 names without throwing up in your mouth? oquinn is probably something like #4 or 5 on this list and probably in the top 10-12 in the league as far as bench bigs go…

    27. D league.

      Is O’Quinn good? Like better than average? I don’t think so, but hes a backup. An averagish NBA player is a good backup, especially on a cheap deal.

    28. For chrissakes. KOQ is a barely serviceable backup big man who’ll give you at least 10 games where he plays like he belongs in the L. The rest of the time he’ll play exactly like a bench player, which is wildly inconsistent with obvious flaws. Unfortunately, due to our current construction, we’re probably going to need him to perform at a level slightly above godforsaken. So, we’ll see. And what Postell said is actually incredibly accurate in that “he’s a guy who has frustrated coaches throughout his career because of his slow and poor decision making” That is a primary reason he’s a bench player.

    29. I’m ok with KOQ for limited minutes. He does do things that annoy you though, like throwing up 18 foot jumpers with 15 seconds left on the shot clock and not finishing around the rim.

    30. Beggars can’t be choosers. KO’Q has a decent chance to be an averageish player. We don’t have a ton of guys who fit that description. Stupid decisions and all, he’s gotta stay.

    31. I know I said in a previous thread that I kinda wish the world would shut up about the Rose case. But..my gawd! Can’t his lawyers shut him up? Coach him on what to say? A few days ago, I KNEW the case was dead. But then statements like “It looked like it was a setup.” and he had a “hunch she would try to claim they raped her”. Shit man…STFU!! Lucky for him, the judge thinks the plaintiff’s representation has been careless enough to possibly warrant a mistrial. In any case..it doesn’t look good for Rose in court and on-court to hear different stories with the following phrase, “Derrick has a terrible memory”. Just when I was coming to peace with finding a reason to really root for him…sheesh

      RE: Backup bigs
      I said a while back that I only thought 1 out of Billy/KOQ would play well enough to consistently get minutes. Looks like I’m right so far, which sucks because I’ve got high hopes for KOQ as an Oakley-lite type. I hope he puts it together because we would have a physical, surly, shot blocking, defense stretching, great passing big man rotation with Noah/KP/Billy/KOQ. Diverse talents in those 4 that could serve the team well

    32. hawes
      mickey
      embiid
      joel anthony
      frye
      nogueira
      feliciano
      allen
      henson
      tavares
      mcroberts
      mahinmi

      In general, I think your point is very well met. But I think you’re slightly underestimating the #1 big men on a few of those teams (like Mickey is not the #1 big man off the bench for Boston, he’s likely #3 on the depth charts behind Zeller and Olynyk). But yes, overall, I think you’re spot on with your main point – that there are some iffy as hell #1 big men on a lot of Eastern Conference teams and O’Quinn doesn’t look all that out of place in that regard.

    33. I remember watching the game last night thinking KOQ is clearly a 6’9″ PF and not a 6’10” PF/C. But he has long arms and shot blocking ability so teams want to use him as a C who can protect the rim. Unfortunately he’s not nimble enough to check opposing PF’s, but as an enforcer off the bench for 15 minutes a night or so, he can manage. Let him play defense, shoot jumpers, and play from the high post. He really should model his game after Oakley, except he would be a better shot blocker. Also, Billy looks to be closer to 6’11” than 6’10”, and cheese looks around 6’9″. I’m just imagining the frontcourt flexibility, especially with guys like Ndour and Thomas. It would be nice if Holiday could show something because having options like him, Sasha, Randle, Baker, and Rose should theoretically give the team some flexibility in the backcourt. Not GS level flexibility, but closer in terms of guys who may be able to play and defend multiple positions and allow for better switching.

    34. @31

      That’s fair. I find him incredibly frustrating to watch, but he’s not the worst guy on the list. I still stand by the fact that I don’t care if we trade him or he stays.

    35. yeah some of those are off since it looks like espn didn’t update depth charts for the offseason… my bad on that.. but oquinn still looks a lot better when comparing him with his peers…

    36. Draft X has O’Quinn 2″ taller than Melo at their predraft measurements. Given how young Melo was it wouldn’t be surprising if he grew an inch or so after hitting the NBA.

    37. yeah some of those are off since it looks like espn didn’t update depth charts for the offseason… my bad on that.. but oquinn still looks a lot better when comparing him with his peers…

      ESPN has super weird depth charts. I think they’re more or less going on last year’s rosters plus some early signings, so Cleveland doesn’t even have Lebron on their depth chart!

    38. NBA really need official measurements. KOQ can’t be 6’10” same as
      Durant is not 6’9″

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