Knicks Morning News (2016.09.13)

  • [ESPN] Coby Karl will coach Lakers' D-League team
    (Monday, September 12, 2016 4:34:51 PM)

    Coby Karl will coach Lakers' D-League team

  • [ESPN] Point guards hold the key to New York Knicks' summer 2017 plans
    (Monday, September 12, 2016 7:45:55 AM)

    Point guards hold the key to New York Knicks' summer 2017 plans

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose ready to embrace the next step of his career in New York
    (Monday, September 12, 2016 8:32:21 AM)

    In an interview with SLAM, Derrick Rose discussed the continued adjustments he’s making early on as a Knick acquisition.

  • [NYPost] Ex-Knick ‘pushed’ girlfriend, ‘choked’ her intervening cousin
    (Monday, September 12, 2016 12:44:04 PM)

    BOCA RATON, Fla. — Former Knicks center Samuel Dalembert is facing battery charges after authorities say he hit his girlfriend and her cousin. A Boca Raton police report says police responded to Dalembert’s home Sunday evening after a 911 hang-up. The woman and her cousin initially told officers nothing was wrong, but eventually said the…

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    35 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.09.13)”

    1. The summer has been slow, but I commend all of you for not going to these depths:

      Rubio is NOT as good as a healthy Derrick Rose. Even in his “diminished” form – healthy Rose is at the very least top 15 in his position.

      In no particular order

      Paul
      Curry
      Westbrook
      Lillard
      Isaiah Thomas
      Tony Parker
      Dragic
      Bledsoe
      Wall
      Lowry
      Irving
      Conley
      Rubio
      Teague
      Rondo

      Out of this list of “top” PGs, there are only 5, maybe 6 at this stage I’d definitively take over Rose. The rest are pick’em, based on what you want from your lead guard.

    2. Yeah, what the heck? How do you find five guards better than Rose at this point? He’s more like top three.

      Seriously, though, you know what surprised me to find out yesterday? The Knicks actually made an offer to Seraphim to return. That’s weird, no? It was only a vet minimum contract, but just roster-wise that doesn’t seem to make sense.

    3. The only ones I wouldn’t just want over Rose unequivocally are Parker and Bledsoe and that’s more because of their contract length. Maybe not Conley either, but again that’s because of the contract.

    4. Everyone but Gertrude Stein has weighed in on whether the Rose of the last 3 years will be the one who shows up this year:

      Pessimists: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose
      Optimists: A Rose is not a Rose is not a Rose

    5. That’s weird, no?

      Why? They obviously have no idea how shitty Kevin Seraphin is, because they signed him and played him 500 minutes last season when they had better options available.

    6. Kemba Walker deserves to be mentioned in the “top PGs” list at this point I think. He was awesome last year.

      Yeah, what the heck? How do you find five guards better than Rose at this point? He’s more like top three.

      It all depends what you want from your lead guard Brian, that’s what you’re missing obviously. If you want a guy who does things like “be good at basketball” and “stay on the court” then I can see leaving Rose outside of the top-3. Otherwise though I agree with you, he’s got to be in there.

    7. It all depends what you want from your lead guard Brian, that’s what you’re missing obviously. If you want a guy who does things like “be good at basketball” and “stay on the court” then I can see leaving Rose outside of the top-3. Otherwise though I agree with you, he’s got to be in there.

      If you rank them by MVPs won, Rose is only second to Curry. So really it’s top-2.

    8. Man this Derrick Rose rape trial thing is a serious cluster. If you can read this without vomiting, it’s worth at least skimming through. It is not as straightforward as has been presented:

      http://thewhitebronco.com/2016/09/the-derrick-rose-sexual-assault-trial-primer/

      The only thing I can say about this is that I have zero frame of reference to understand the psychology of either person in this dispute. I literally have zero idea what actually happened. Based on this primer (which at least appears to be evenhanded on my quick review of it) it’s hard to imagine that Jane Doe will win, but who knows.

    9. the symptoms [Doe] describes are of “advanced Alcoholic Intoxication with vomiting which places her blood alcohol content levels great than 0.2 g/dL”

      That’s Derrick Rose’s expert toxicology witness. His team is trying to ban any reference to the possibility that Doe was drugged, as to not have to have their own expert witness testify that she was merely very drunk. I agree with the author of the primer that he’ll end up settling (probably for an undisclosed amount that’s pretty close or even equal to what he’s being sued for), because it seems like she’d have a pretty good chance of winning outright.

      I’ll feel a lot better about rooting for this team if Rose gets injured early on. Sorry not sorry
      ¯\_(?)_/¯

    10. @ 9,
      The piece you’re quoting are the expert’s opinion on Doe’s descriptions of the symptoms, it’s really her word against the others whether any of those symptoms actually manifested.

      I don’t want to speculate on whether Doe was or was not raped, but I would assume that the trial would just be a coin flip depending on who the jury believes.

    11. Call me a fanboi, but I’m 100% sure Rose will be one of the top 30 starting point guards in the NBA every time he plays for the Knicks.

      Team’s deep.

    12. Serious question for all: If Rose plays well (like top-10 PG well), will you be happy?

      My answer: Oh Hell yeah.

    13. Honestly having read the stuff about the trial I don’t think I’ll ever be happy about seeing him in a Knicks uniform. I’ll be happy the team is winning (which I think it would be if he played that well), but not happy that he’s a part of it and I’ll still be strongly hoping we don’t have to have him on the team past this season.

    14. If you can read this without vomiting

      Never going to read anything with that kind of introduction.

      I am with thenamestsam, and others. I don’t care how much he exceeds my performance expectations. I will not enjoy watching Derrick Rose this year and I don’t want him back.

    15. Serious question for all: If Rose plays well (like top-10 PG well), will you be happy?

      My answer: Oh Hell yeah.

      yeah.

    16. @17 — despite the introduction, you really should read the article. It’s probably the most thorough and balanced summary that I’ve read to date on the Rose lawsuit.

    17. I answered the question, but you don’t like it because your delusional hopes are far stronger than your reasoning: there is a greater chance of Tiger Woods winning 4 masters in a row than Derrick Rose playing like a top-10 PG.

      That’s my answer.

      Should we engage in silly hypotheticals that, by their very nature, always resolve to ‘yes’?

      Here’s a couple: would you guys be elated if the Knicks win 78 and sweep the Warriors in the finals?

      Would I make the NBA if I develop a consistent .765 shooting percentage from 3 and can guard Lebron better than Iguodala?

    18. Would I be happy if Derrick Rose played like a top 10 point guard?

      No, because Phil Jackson would give him the longest and most lucrative contract extension possible under NBA rules.

      Derrick Rose: damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    19. This is going to be an instructional year. I think the Knicks are going to be disappointing primarily because Derrick Rose was not an MVP caliber player at his best and is not any good at all now, but it’s going to be difficult to prove the point. If Noah has a very good year, he’s so damn good the Knicks will have a good season and the Rose fans will underrate his contribution relative to Rose’s. Another fly in the ointment could be a breakout year by KP or a surprisingly good year from one of the imports. Again, I expect too much credit will be given to Rose because he’s a volume scorer. If however Rose winds up scoring efficiently, making a lot of plays off penetration, keeps his TOs under control, and plays decent defense, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong.

    20. Derrick Rose: damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

      Yeah, that would really, really suck if he exceeded expectations this year and the Knicks were a playoff team. What a disaster. And then Phil will automatically max him out. Another disaster.

      Please, please, Derrick Rose, suck big time this year so we can avoid this looming apocalypse.

    21. @22 no you didn’t answer. Are you Auditioning to be Jowles’ Robin or something?

      @24 I disagree, Noah has gotten plenty of “credit” when Rose was on his team previously, why would that change now? Same for KP or anyone else. Rose will get the credit he deserves.

    22. Rose’s playing well would make me happy if and only if he doesn’t get resigned to a large contract. As it would everyone else here.

    23. As much of a fanboy that I am, it’s difficult to root for him because of the trial. Whether he loses or wins, it just smells.

    24. @24 I disagree, Noah has gotten plenty of “credit” when Rose was on his team previously, why would that change now? Same for KP or anyone else. Rose will get the credit he deserves.

      He might on this forum, but imo scorers are overrated in general and lower efficiency scorers are very overrated. There are still people that don’t understand how critical Chandler was to the 54 win team so why would they understand Noah.

    25. I want the Knicks to do well this year and Rose playing like a top ten point guard would help them a lot (obviously), so I suppose I’d be happy about his success.

    26. Many sports/entertainment/political heroes and legends are/were deeply flawed or even despicable characters outside of their arena. Kobe and Ray Lewis are obvious cases. Bird and Magic have their dirty laundry.

      For me, sports is a form of entertainment and that’s it. While I much prefer that there is a glowing personal narrative behind the player (Kristaps!) at the end of the day it’s just sports. As such, I know I will be rooting hard for the basketball success of anyone who wears the Knicks uniform. I want the best possible outcome for the team.

      Maybe if we were coming off a string of championship seasons I’d be a bit more discerning.

    27. @31

      I doubt anybody on this forum thinks Chandler wasn’t a critical piece to the 54 win season. The main issue seems to be that some think Melo was more valuable in achieving that than Chandler for various reasons. I don’t remember anybody saying that Chandler wasn’t valuable to that team though. For the most part anybody that doesn’t think he was the most valuable player on the Knicks that year has him under Melo and/or Kidd.

      I would also counter by saying there are some that devalue volume scoring so much that they seem to see no value in Melo having a 56 TS% that year on 35 USG%.

    28. I agree lavor. Chandler won defensive player of the year the previous year for god sakes. He got plenty of “credit” saying he didn’t is a bit of a straw man.

      Most of the team played well that year.

      People here just can’t stand anyone who isn’t as good as KD or Curry at scoring. So they try to devalue them

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