Knicks Morning News (2016.09.09)

  • [NYPost] MSG lays off dozens of employees amid drop in revenue
    (Thursday, September 08, 2016 7:54:41 PM)

    The Madison Square Garden Co., owner of the Knicks, has laid off scores of staff over the past two months as part of a previously announced restructuring. Between 60 and 70 people were let go in July and a handful of others departed in August, sources told The Post. MSG reported a difficult three months…

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony nominated for Team USA Male Athlete of Olympic Games
    (Thursday, September 08, 2016 2:00:25 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony has been nominated for the Team USA Male Athlete of the Olympic Games after helping lead Team USA to a gold medal in men’s basketball.

  • [SNY Knicks] Is it fair to label Joakim Noah injury prone?
    (Thursday, September 08, 2016 9:15:06 AM)

    Would you sign up for 65-to-70 games at 30 minutes per game for Joakim Noah this year? Judging from the percentages, that’s likely to be an average year for him.

  • [NYDN] Hall of Famer Yao Ming was big one who got away from Knicks
    (Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:11:39 PM)

    On Friday, Yao will be inducted into The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame with a class that includes Shaq and Allen Iverson.

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    28 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.09.09)”

    1. I dunno, wasn’t it pretty obvious well before last season even ended that Chicago was not interested in bringing Noah back? So those comments are pretty consistent with that view of theirs.

    2. i dunno….maybe say noah is still an incredible player but you took the opportunity to get younger at the center position with the future in mind. seems harsh to say about a player who really gave his all for you. I also hate the quote because it supports my fear about his abilities moving forward. I only want to hear happy-happy, joy-joy things about how he’s in the best shape of his life :)

    3. Some would say the same about an economics professor who wastes so many precious hours of his time allotted on earth posting on a blog for a team he despises due to its despicable owner and its criminal coaches and players. In a sense, you are patronizing the team as much as, maybe even more than, the typical “ignorant” fan. What is your time worth? If time is money, how much money have you squandered thinking about Dolan’s product?

      How odd it is that you can’t find a better use of your time and intellect. I’m truly curious, what do you actually get out of it?

      But yeah, f those Penn State students and graduates. How dare they!

      Oh truly you are mad.

    4. Noah was mediocre in 2014-2015 and an injury-plagued mess in 2015-2016. He’s turning 31, so the Knicks are on the hook for his age 31 through 34 seasons.

      It wasn’t a smart signing. If the Knicks are lucky they’ll get one good year out of him. If they’re unbelievably lucky they’ll get two good years. They may very well get zero good years out of him. The back end of that contract is not going to be pretty.

    5. Noah was still good in 14-15. Not as good as his peak, but probably more valuable than Lopez was last year. If he can play 70 games at close to that level we should at least have a good defense next season

    6. If Noah plays 65 games he’ll still end up playing more and better minutes than Robin Lopez…

    7. It was a risky signing. Optimistically, he hasn’t had career-threatening injuries, has a great work ethic and is not all that old for a big. He might have enough mobility to guard 4’s so that Porzingis can play some 5 even with him on the court, unlike Lopez who is as pure of a 5 as there is. The pessimism/skepticism is warranted, but for a reasonably risky move to maximize Melo’s window, I’m cool with it.

    8. I look at it as a 2 year deal with the amnesty being highly likely in the next CBA.

      Hopefully the rest that he got last year will bode well for his health.

    9. It wasn’t a smart signing. If the Knicks are lucky they’ll get one good year out of him. If they’re unbelievably lucky they’ll get two good years. They may very well get zero good years out of him. The back end of that contract is not going to be pretty.

      Is this about Amar’e or Noah?

    10. I look at it as a 2 year deal with the amnesty being highly likely in the next CBA.

      You’re assuming that the Knicks won’t acquire an even worse contract by the time the next amnesty provision kicks in.

    11. I look at it as a 2 year deal with the amnesty being highly likely in the next CBA.

      Hopefully the rest that he got last year will bode well for his health.

      A general sign for any signing is that if you’re using “Well, we can always amnesty him later!” as a positive about the signing before the contract even starts then, well, that’s generally not a good sign regarding the signing. ;)

    12. Let’s just say it’s pretty pathetic the Knicks are trying to build a winner from Chicago’s rejects.

      Bad signings are called ‘low risk/high reward’ moves nowadays.

      Call me bad, but PJ ain’t much better than reviled Isiah Thomas. The record says so. The heart doesn’t want to hear it.

    13. If you’re a die-hard knicks fan and you don’t realise that the team will be built around KP with Melo in the co-driver’s/big brother’s/mentor’s seat while all the other moves [Calderon,DWilliams,Afflalo,Lopez,DRose,Noah,CLee,Jennings…] are just “salary cap/roster cleaners” till the great chance to build a true contender arrives then imo you don’t know your team well enough…

      die hard…with a knowledge

    14. If you’re a die-hard knicks fan and you don’t realise that the team will be built around KP with Melo in the co-driver’s/big brother’s/mentor’s seat while all the other moves [Calderon,DWilliams,Afflalo,Lopez,DRose,Noah,CLee,Jennings…] are just “salary cap/roster cleaners” till the great chance to build a true contender arrives then imo you don’t know your team well enough…

      If you’re signing players to four-year $72 million deals to “clean your salary cap,” then that is not a good idea. If you’re signing players to four-year $72 million deals to try to quickly put together as good of a team as you can during the back end of Melo’s prime (like Z-Man noted, maximizing Melo’s window) and hope to convince Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul (taking a significant pay cut) to play with these guys next season so you might have a couple of years of legit contending, then, well, that’s something, at least. I don’t think it’s a good plan, but it’s at least a theoretically viable plan (Westbrook then signing an extension with OKC put a major dent in that plan, but hey, you can’t predict everything). If it’s to “clean the cap”, then that’s just…huh?

    15. $72 millions for Noah looks like a tradeable contract.
      Clean the cap but without losing your fan base/winning culture.
      We can’t win now and we know it.Even Melo knows it.We need 1-2 BIG moves to be a contender.
      Not exactly a great situation but if you just think that we were a lottery team just 1 year ago not so bad also.

    16. I’d say that PJ is trying to “Be Like Popp”.
      He’s trying to establish:
      Attractive to FA Winning Culture/EuroPlayers/Star Core/High Characters/Flexible Salary cap/Respect to the future of the team.
      Does he deserve to get 12m a year for that ? Maybe not.
      Will he succeed ?
      I hope so cause i’m a fan.

    17. You can’t create a ‘winning culture’ without actually winning. PJ’s moves have resulted in lots of losing, with more to come this season (35 wins +-3 is my prediction).

      Near-total roster reconstruction every year is a sign of utter failure, not progress.

    18. “Well, Derrick Rose doesn’t exactly fit in with the high-character narrative…”

      DRose plays a multiple role as
      1-PJ’s proof to Melo of Win-Now moves
      2-Trojan Horse to Melo’s NTC
      3-Fan Magnet
      4-Low Risk/High Reward
      5-Noah’s friend

      “You can’t create a ‘winning culture’ without actually winning. PJ’s moves have resulted in lots of losing, with more to come this season (35 wins +-3 is my prediction).”

      The Future looks brighter tho.

      “Near-total roster reconstruction every year is a sign of utter failure, not progress.”

      Portland Trailblazers.

    19. Phil is not trying to be like Pop. He’s trying to be like Phil the Coach. As a coach, he often saw value in players that few others saw. If his goal is to build a “winning culture” then he will build it in his own image, not anyone else’s.

      It’s more fair to say that winning cultures generally have some ingredients in common: a core of super-committed stars (I think it’s a stretch to call either of his championship teams “high-character” as well as the Bad Boy Pistons, etc.) and overachieving role players that fit a system of play based on ball movement and unselfishness.

      Has he done this here? Hard to say. The core of this team is clearly Melo (for now) and KP. He has 3 new starters and an only Lance, O’Quinn and Sasha returning on the bench. No one knows how this year’s team will gel, but this is clearly less of a team in transition and more of a finished Phil product than the last two years’ teams.

      I mean, think about it…how many NBA teams have only 3 returning players (Melo, KP, Lance) that are guaranteed to be trusted with significant rotation minutes? (Sasha and O’Quinn could easily fall out of the rotation, no?) I can’t think of another one.

      No one knows how this team will turn out this year, but it will be the first year where Phil can be held accountable for a somewhat finished product.

    20. To further the point, next year, it is likely that KP, Melo, Noah, Lee, Lance, Willy, and Kuz return. That gives this team a core of players that it hasn’t had under Phil yet. I suppose trades are always possible (Robin Lopez looked like a core player last year) but I doubt that any of these guys get traded.

    21. but this is clearly less of a team in transition and more of a finished Phil product than the last two years’ teams.

      Definitely a Phil product but i wouldn’t call it finished.
      I’d call it as a “possible future contending team under constant construction”
      Till ALL the parts fit.
      That’s how i see it.

    22. To further the point, next year, it is likely that KP, Melo, Noah, Lee, Lance, Willy, and Kuz return. That gives this team a core of players that it hasn’t had under Phil yet. I suppose trades are always possible (Robin Lopez looked like a core player last year) but I doubt that any of these guys get traded

      If this season's team is been blessed by the Pope, The Dalai Lama and the Orthodox Patriarch all together and go till ECF and beyond[!!!!!!] you may see almost everyone back next season !!!
      You may also see ONLY KP back next year.
      You just don't know.
      Injuries,Trades,Chemistry between players,Driving Under Influence,Shootings outside clubs, strange blood diseases can alter your future as a team so…

      Let's wait and see what will happen

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