Knicks Morning News (2016.01.29)

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis sit as Knicks fall in Toronto (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:17:09 EST)

    TORONTO — The Knicks already were facing a daunting task with Carmelo Anthony sitting out with knee soreness against the Eastern Conference's second-best team. Then word came down that Kristaps Porzingis was too sick to play.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks look lost without Porzingis and Melo, fall to Raptors (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:30:35 GMT)

    Health finally caught up with Kristaps Porzingis and the Knicks. They marched an infirmary line into snowy Canada and didn’t stand a chance.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks sign Thanasis Antetokounmpo to 10-day deal (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:05:58 GMT)

    With a familiar name, the Knicks finally filled their open roster spot by signing former draft pick Thanasis Antetokounmpo to a 10-day deal.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Top Lakers 114-91 in Pau’s Last Staples Date With Kobe (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:06:44 GMT)

    During seven seasons together with the Lakers, Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant formed a bond that won’t be broken by separation or retirement.

  • [New York Times] Butler Helps Rampaging Bulls Trample Over Hapless Lakers (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:27:27 GMT)

    Guard Jimmy Butler scored 26 points and dished out 10 assists, and center Pau Gasol had 21 points, 12 rebounds and seven assists to lead the Chicago Bulls to a 114-91 rout of the Los Angeles Lakers at Staples Center on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:03:49 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry had 26 points and 10 assists, DeMar DeRozan also scored 26 points and the Toronto Raptors set a franchise record with their 10th consecutive victory, 103-93 over the New York Knicks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Western All-Stars Bolstered by Warrior Reinforcements (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:24:29 GMT)

    Klay Thompson and Draymond Green will join Golden State team mate Stephen Curry as Western Conference All-Stars when the NBA announced the reserves for next month’s game on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Anderson Scores 36, Leads Pelicans Past Kings, 114-105 (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:12:36 GMT)

    It is now apparent that coach Alvin Gentry’s up-tempo, flowing system has caught on in New Orleans, and it looks like the transformation has taken place in time for the surging Pelicans to make a run at a playoff spot.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Nuggets Defeat Wizards (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:58:46 GMT)

    Danilo Gallinari led the Nuggets with 26 points as Washington continues to reel.

  • [New York Times] Indiana Finds Right Combination to Put Away Hawks 111-92 (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:01:33 GMT)

    Monta Ellis finally found his shooting touch, rookie Myles Turner finally got a chance to start and the Indiana Pacers finally figured out how to deliver a knockout punch.

  • [New York Times] Raptors 103, Knicks 93: Knicks Limp to a Defeat in Toronto (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:59:51 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony (knee), Kristaps Porzingis (upper respiratory illness) and Jose Calderon (groin) did not play as the Knicks absorbed their fourth straight loss.

  • [New York Times] Green Has 21 Points, Gasol 15 as Grizzlies Rout Bucks 103-83 (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:49:10 GMT)

    Jeff Green scored 21 points, Marc Gasol added 15 points and eight rebounds, and the Memphis Grizzlies pulled away in the second half for a 103-83 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Lowry, DeRozan Each Have 26, Raptors Win 10th Straight (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:45:37 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry had 26 points and 10 assists, DeMar DeRozan also scored 26 points and the Toronto Raptors set a franchise record with their 10th consecutive victory, 103-93 over the New York Knicks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Gallinari’s 3-Pointers Lead Nuggets to 117-113 Win (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:00:56 GMT)

    Danilo Gallinari scored 26 points and hit four of his five 3-pointers to lead the Denver Nuggets to a 117-113 victory over the reeling Washington Wizards on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Jose Calderon Hears Criticism, but Not From Knicks Teammates He Mentors (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:18:51 GMT)

    Jose Calderon, the eldest member of the Knicks, has been a soft target this season for critics of his defense. But he still manages to influence the game.

  • [New York Times] Green, Thompson Picked, Giving Warriors 3 NBA All-Stars (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:48:53 GMT)

    Draymond Green and Klay Thompson were picked Thursday for the Western Conference team, giving the NBA champion Golden State Warriors three All-Stars for the first time in 40 years.

  • [New York Post] Can Kristaps Porzingis follow Curry’s path to greatness? (Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:11:28 -0500)

    The 2015 NBA Draft seemed destined to be a cruel repeat of the Knicks' 2009 nightmare. That season, the Knicks were planning on taking Stephen Curry with the No. 8 pick, but the Warriors scooped him up one spot before. This offseason, the Knicks were the losers of the draft lottery, dropping to No. 4…

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    54 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.01.29)”

    1. One of the best pieces of news from the Knicks’ recent losing streak has been Washington’s collapse. They’re also four under and their next three games are road games at Houston, at OKC and at Golden State!

      So at least the Knicks’ recent losing streak hasn’t really put them into trouble with the under sub-#8 teams. Charlotte has passed them, but just barely, and Orlando s worse than them.

      Shockingly enough, though, Milwaukee is somehow only two games back of the Knicks, and that’s with the Bucks losing their last game!

    2. As much as this team’s M.O. this year involves 4 game losing streaks, it also involves bouncing back from those streaks in ways that make us irrationally exuberant.

      That’s a roundabout way of saying there might be fireworks at the Garden Sunday night.

    3. The opinion of Zach Lowe:

      Someone in the Knicks front office should be calling Rivers, sweet-talking him about how a Griffin-Carmelo Anthony swap would help both teams. Paul and Anthony once toasted the prospect of playing together, and Anthony could channel the Team USA version of himself as a super-charged stretch power forward in L.A.

      New York probably doesn’t want to hear this, and that’s fine. Star-for-star deals almost never happen; inertia is too powerful. The Knicks are (kind of) winning again, the Garden rocks, Melo is happy and passing, and he’s an appealing franchise face safely under contract for at least two seasons after this one. Swapping Melo for Griffin would leave the Knicks bereft of wing players.

      The swap would also give New York a legit star who’s closer to Porzingis in age — a triangle post-up type who should appeal to prospective free agents as much as Melo does. The 2015-16 Knicks are a fun story, but they’re not going anywhere real, and they don’t have their draft pick. The future should still be the first priority.

      I don’t know that Blake is building block I want next to KP, but I agree with his last sentence and think we should be taking that stance when it comes to everyone on this roster currently on a one year deal. I want this team to make the playoffs, but I don’t want them to pass on acquiring future assets because they are committed to a playoff run this season.

    4. Blake would obviously be tremendous in the triangle…but you’d be locking in Kris at the 5. That’s not an unreasonable thing to do — Blake is an above average defender overall who is below average at rim protection, so it’s not the end of the world.

      -I’m on the fence as to which theoretical scenario is better: Kris at the 5/Blake at the 4, or RoLo/Kris at 5/4 with Star-ish Guard To Be Named Later , lol.

      -A CP3 JJ Pierce Melo Deandre lineup would score A LOT and would be fun to watch.

      -Blake = obvious case of hate him on the other team love him on your team superstar.

    5. Given the recent news about Griffin, I think we should get something more than him in return for Anthony if we trade Anthony. I know most posters think I am crazy for saying this, but I am attempting to estimate actual market value. In this case, Griffin is out for a month and the Clippers may be thinking they want to win it all this year, which would potentially make them eager buyers.

    6. As far as straight value, you do Melo for Blake all day. The thing I don’t like about him is what prezs2reprsntme stated: you lock KP into the 5. I wouldn’t want to go all in with a player who limits KP’s versatility. I’d rather find him a true max player on the wing.

      It also severely devalues Lopez and his team-friendly contract.

    7. As far as straight value, you do Melo for Blake all day. The thing I don’t like about him is what prezs2reprsntme stated: you lock KP into the 5

      What about:

      LAC: Anthony and Calderon
      BOS: Griffin
      NYK: Smart, Bradley, Nets pick (currently #3), Celtics pick (currently #20), Mavs pick (currently #21)

      Boston wants to buy a star with its lode of picks. Sends Anthony far from NY (to a city on his list). Doesn’t help division rival directly. Replenishes cupboards with upside.

    8. @7 I like your thinking, Donnie, it does seem like the C’s are giving up a lot but they do get their star. I’m personally not a fan of Smart, he’s a terrible shooter and has that Shump overrated defender rep, but of course I would do that deal in a heartbeat, even with one less pick from Boston.

    9. I think that’s way too large of a haul from Boston, who could potentially be giving up Ben Simmons AND a significant package of players and picks.

      I wonder if that pick ended up 1, if Boston would be interested in trading it for an established star like Cleveland was or if they’d just stick with Simmons. I assume they would just gladly take Simmons.

    10. Yeah if I’m trading Melo to the Clippers for Blake while Blake is out for a month bc of an injury he got in an off the court fight with his “friend” then I’m getting something else besides Blake in return. Normally a straight up trade would seem fair bc of Melo’s age vs. Blake. But Melo and CP3 are TIGHT and they are in win now mode and Blake’s rep has taken a hit. I take advantage of that if I’m Phil. Maybe pry a draft pick from them or get them to take Calderon and throw in a player who’s contract expires this year (so we can get some more cap space).

      But @ 7…I like you’re thinking a lot. But question. Outside of Simmons, is there a “sure thing” (I know there never really is) in the top 5…ie, a PG that we could draft at #3 that we could be reasonably sure would turn into a top 10 PG eventually? I know nothing is guaranteed but this last year’s draft was seen as very strong while this year’s, outside of Simmons, is viewed as weak.

      I gotta say too. If we got that Nets pick it would be SWEET if it turned into the #1 pick. Proky would have a heart attack and that would make me happy cause F him for putting up that billboard and acting like NY was going to be a Nets town.

    11. As far as straight value, you do Melo for Blake all day. The thing I don’t like about him is what prezs2reprsntme stated: you lock KP into the 5. I wouldn’t want to go all in with a player who limits KP’s versatility. I’d rather find him a true max player on the wing.

      It also severely devalues Lopez and his team-friendly contract.

      Sure, but there are still plenty of minutes between the 4/5 for Lopez, Porzingis and Blake. You shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m not even sure Blake is a much of an upgrade over Melo, but he’s younger, cheaper, and on a shorter deal, so I’d make the trade (which is not happening in real life) if I had the chance.

    12. Thanks for posting, Alsep73. I particularly enjoyed this bit:

      Miller had gone to visit Porzingis and prospect Willy Hernangomez in the Spanish ACB League in February and found himself sitting in a restaurant with his two clients. As the players stood up, Miller became incredulous with the sight and wondered to his European agent partner, Guillermo Bermejo: “How am I going to get Gomez drafted high? He’s 6-foot-7!”

      “What the hell are you talking about?” Bermejo replied. “He’s 6-10.”

      Miller responded, “He’s five inches shorter than Porzingis. How can he be 6-10?”

      Bermejo shook his head.

      “Yeah, Porzingis is 7-3 now”

    13. The story does make you wonder if we drafted Hernangomez on merit or as a favor to his agent for the work he did making sure Porzingis would be available at 4.

    14. Boston wants to buy a star with its lode of picks. Sends Anthony far from NY (to a city on his list). Doesn’t help division rival directly. Replenishes cupboards with upside.

      Griffin is only a star in the traditional sense (points and highlights). Definitely not in the top tier of productive players; never has been. If anyone knows this, it’s Brad Stevens.

    15. I wonder if that pick ended up 1, if Boston would be interested in trading it for an established star like Cleveland was

      The problem with them waiting is that David Lee matches up with the salary of stars, but his expiring contract can’t be traded after deadline. So if they want to act on acquiring a Griffin, Love, or Howard type star that may be available, they’ll need to act at the deadline or be forced to match up a platter of players they value to make salary match.

      (And as for Stevens valuing or not valuing Griffin, I’m pretty sure Ainge is the one who’d be making the trade).

    16. “Yeah, Porzingis is 7-3 now”
      If he grew 2 inches last year, is it possible that he is still growing?
      “the work he did making sure Porzingis would be available at 4.”
      I love that he completely dissed the Sixers and their “process.”
      My favorite KP tidbit that I read somewhere right after the draft — his mother is a huge Phil Jackson fan and has read every one of his books. KP just might be the only draft pick ever whose mother reads books by Phil Jackson for fun.

    17. BRILLIANT TRADE IDEA
      Here it is, here it is, here its.

      Knicks get:
      The Nets’ 2016 first round pick from Boston
      Dallas’s 2016 first rounder from Boston?
      David Lee’s expiring contract
      Lance Stephenson’s toxic contract
      Knicks clear cap space and make a run in the Simmons/Ingram sweepstakes. Focus turns to Porzingis. Lee teaches Porzingis to rebound

      Clippers get:
      ‘Melo
      Amir Johnson
      Langston Galloway
      ‘Melo steps in as the lead scorer and frees up Redick and CP3 for open jumpers. Johnson is a solid starting 4. The Clips’ backup point guards are Austin Rivers, Jamal Crawford, and Prigs so Galloway could be a nice upgrade. They get to dump Stephenson’s contract. ‘Melo and Magic become best friends. Will they be able to compete with Golden State? Eh.

      Boston gets:
      Blake Griffin
      The Celtics stay in tact except that they upgrade their starting PF to a superstar. A core of Thomas-Bradley-Crowder-Griffin-Sullinger with Olnyk, Turner, and Smart coming off the bench is still a young team that could also make a push this year in the playoffs. They still have plenty of draft picks stockpiled.

      Thoughts?

    18. From the Woj article, it should be noted that this is the first DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS evidence of immediate and tangible harm to the 76ers by “the process.”

      god bless the process. lol

    19. Maybe this rumor has faded, but I wouldn’t trade Calderon for Teague.

      Teague is a poor, inefficient chucker, a classic volume scorer the Knicks don’t need.
      I heard someone singing the praises of this idea recently and went and looked at Teague.

      Calderon plays better D (Calderon -.7 and Teague -1.4!!!) and his TS% and eFG% is significantly better. And Teague is taking 15 shots/36, or about six more than Jose. Please.
      Calderon takes half the shots, but is a significantly more accurate shooter.
      They basically get the same number of steals and rebounds/36, Teague commits twice as many turnovers/36, while Teagues usage% is twice Calderon’s.
      Sure Teague is seven years younger, and one-eighth the price, but at 27, this is not a guy who’s going to change much, nor will he help the Knicks much.
      Teague is a Box +/- of -1.5 this year, while Calderon is +.6

    20. I think if you’re the Celtics you gotta hang on to that Nets pick.

      The Celtics have some decent cost-controlled players on their roster, but they’re really all role player types. The Nets are dreadful and if anything they’re getting worse as the season progresses. They have the third worst record in the league right now. That’s a lotta ping pong balls. They would be dumb to trade that pick away.

    21. Prezs,

      I was thinking exactly the same thing. Free agents will probably feel the same way.

    22. The story does make you wonder if we drafted Hernangomez on merit or as a favor to his agent for the work he did making sure Porzingis would be available at 4.

      Does it matter?

    23. Sure, but there are still plenty of minutes between the 4/5 for Lopez, Porzingis and Blake. You shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m not even sure Blake is a much of an upgrade over Melo, but he’s younger, cheaper, and on a shorter deal, so I’d make the trade (which is not happening in real life) if I had the chance.

      You usually want players like Blake on longer deals, not shorter ones. I get the reasoning behind the trade, but i dont like Blake. He doesnt play enough defense, can be a distraction off the court, and his style of play doesnt usually age well, so we may get the same (good) years from him than from melo.

    24. Free agents will probably feel the same way.

      This underscores something a lot of posters on here were mocking when Phil was signing a few uninspiring players back in FA. “Why waste cap space on X, he won’t help us in the long run, we need to leave room for people ditching players in trades,” etc etc. The rebuttal was that establishing a sense of professionalism and structure was necessary in order to be able to sign top free agents.

      While we hadn’t done enough to get Greg Monroe, we apparently had done enough to convince KP’s agent that we were a better destination than Philly, which gives the win to the rebuttal argument. The quality of the organization and stability of the team (i.e. known quantities even if average) matters.

    25. Re: Blake — Do the Knicks really want a guy who just broke his hand (in the middle of the season) punching the team’s equipment manager? Don’t teams usually try to get rid of guys who do douche-y stuff like that? Isn’t there a general feeling that Blake is one of the least liked players in the league? Maybe there’s a reason for that?

    26. Yeah go ask Greg Popovich if Blake is an upper tier player, he put up 25, 12 and 6 last year in the playoffs. The dude is a stud. He wore down at the end of some those games because they rode him into the ground but he was basically unstoppable against the spurs.

    27. I think if you’re the Celtics you gotta hang on to that Nets pick.

      Ingram is an excellent consolation prize, as well.

      But yeah, it’s weird…it’s such a good asset, but if they could get someone of Griffin’s caliber (and I don’t think they can), it’d be pretty hard to pass up. And I’m not even a huge Griffin fan, but the odds of the Nets pick resulting in a player better than Griffin is not huge, I don’t think.

    28. This underscores something a lot of posters on here were mocking when Phil was signing a few uninspiring players back in FA. “Why waste cap space on X, he won’t help us in the long run, we need to leave room for people ditching players in trades,” etc etc. The rebuttal was that establishing a sense of professionalism and structure was necessary in order to be able to sign top free agents.

      While we hadn’t done enough to get Greg Monroe, we apparently had done enough to convince KP’s agent that we were a better destination than Philly, which gives the win to the rebuttal argument. The quality of the organization and stability of the team (i.e. known quantities even if average) matters.

      KP was drafted before free agency, so the Knicks’ free agency had no bearing on him. He likely wanted to come to NY for the same reason Melo wanted to come here. It’s New York. New York is awesome. The Woj article was also really sketchy on the whole Los Angeles aspect of it all. It sure sounds like it wasn’t “I want New York period” so much as it was “I want New York instead of Philly.” Most young players would think the same. Lord knows I would. Just being in New York is such a great advantage that it is still shocking how much Dolan botched it for years (overloading the cap when, had they gotten cap room in pretty much any year, they could have signed “Good Free Agent X”).

    29. I don’t read much beyond the confined of this and the NY tabloids so this was the first I heard of Blake being disliked. The lack of defense I had seen a bit of but that, to some extent is whispered about lots of guys that put up big fantasy #s.

    30. simmons and ingram are probably the two best wings to come out since durant and if you count beasley also… they are putting up impressive numbers and if you have even a chance at getting either guys you have to hang onto them or trade for it in a heartbeat….

      i would trade any combination of our non-kp players + future picks for that nets pick… and if i’m boston i would not trade it under any circumstances…

    31. If it was a lock to be #1 or #2, then sure, but there’s a big drop-off after Ingram, and the Nets currently are at #3, but who knows where they’ll end the season? They have no reason to tank, so couldn’t you see teams with incentives to tank passing them by?

      That’s why I think the pick might be most valuable right now.

    32. Simmons is no wing. He’s a front court player. Probably Super Lamar Odom, but he’s not a wing. You don’t get to be 6’10, attempt a total of three 3 pointers and expect to be labeled a wing. Also, count me as a person who is unsure of Ben Simmons. He’s a good prospect, but I think he’s closer to a Blake Griffin or a Kyrie Irving than a Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.

    33. Prior to this is the Blake hate an ethnic thing, a why is he so hyped but not me, or is it, as this incident would indicate, a personality thing. I ask because it seemed like with Linsanity there was a lot of sniping and jealousy and the Heat trapped and full court pressed him like they were the Pitino Knicks.

    34. Lamar Odom is a pretty good comp for Simmons, but Simmons is more talented. And Lamar was very, very talented. He’s like Lamar, but a better rebounder with better court vision and a better ability to get to the free throw line. Lamar did have the better jumper at this stage of their development, I’ll give him that.

    35. If it was a lock to be #1 or #2, then sure, but there’s a big drop-off after Ingram, and the Nets currently are at #3, but who knows where they’ll end the season? They have no reason to tank, so couldn’t you see teams with incentives to tank passing them by?

      This. The 76ers have [relatively] improved, but they still suck something fierce. The Suns are probably more tankerific than the Nets at the moment, and will likely finish worse than the nets and twolves. If I had to guess ATM, i’d say the nets wouldn’t be among the worst 3 teams.

      although it is a bit futile to bother with all this given the nature of the ping pong balls, I do agree.

    36. i came up with this dumb trade mega trade involving blake to houston; howard to boston; melo to clips; lee, bradley and the nets pick to NYK!

      i’m guessing bos and NY say no if not all 4…thats why im not a GM

    37. @37-yea i mean simmons is sort of a wing… he has pseudo wing skills and odom was a SF early in his career…. but i agree that he’s probably a 4 in the long run .. i just grouped them together positionally cause i’m lazy…

      @36-there’s a chance of completely whiffing on the top 2…. but i’ve come to the realization that something like a 25% chance at getting a star quality player beats any other avenue of getting one(FA, trades, internal development etc)….. so taking that risk is almost always correct if you’re goal is to land top flight talent…. yes there’s a risk of simmons or ingram not panning out but there’s not too much risk in guys that good… and if they do pan out you get them during all of their cheap prime years….

    38. Lamar Odom is a pretty good comp for Simmons, but Simmons is more talented. And Lamar was very, very talented. He’s like Lamar, but a better rebounder with better court vision and a better ability to get to the free throw line. Lamar did have the better jumper at this stage of their development, I’ll give him that.

      You never know who will and who won’t improve as a jump shooter!

      On the other hand, to me its a situation where all of those categories where he is marginally better than Odom are not, in total, worth the difference in shooting ability. That’s crippling in the NBA today. It turns would be all stars into solid stat stuffers (rondo, okafor, vucevic,) and would be rotation guys into bums (smart, jerian).

    39. I think Simmons will be a good basketball player, but I think he will struggle early on as a scorer at least. He plays the game pretty slowly and the SEC isn’t some great basketball conference (yes, I realize Kentucky is in the SEC). I think Ingram will be a better pro early on but Simmons should have the better career.

      Neither of these two matter, though. The real gem of the draft is Buddy “Dwyane Korver” Hield. That kid is going to be great at the next level. I’ll definitely be watching LSU vs Oklahoma tomorrow

    40. Granted, no one is that fast AND that strong at 6 10, so he’s still gonna be insane. But it’s quite the Achilles heel.

    41. I would love to know what Simmons’ PPP is on iso plays. He looks completely unstoppable in iso situations. Sometimes they just give him the ball at half court and he just builds up a head of steam and barrels to the basket and there’s nothing anybody can do about it. Obviously that is probably not going to work in the NBA on a regular basis but the guy really is something special with the ball in his hands. Plus the rebounding. He’s pulling down almost 13 boards per game. He’s the best defensive rebounder in the SEC. If he develops even a decent jumper he is going to be a devastating player.

    42. All of this conjecture because Zach Lowe said that the Knicks SHOULD call Doc Rivers? Really?

      There’s no “conjecture” on this thread. Just ideas of ways to make the Knicks better, which is really all we do around here everyday anyway.

    43. For the record, I very clearly proposed traeding Melo for Blake here yesterday. Zach Lowe obviously stole my idea.

    44. Can we talk about cloning Walt “Clyde” Frazier and growing him into our next great point guard too?

    45. Lol, that is funny….

      Why is Blake so hated exactly? Anything concrete behind it?

      I will say, my wife has him and Rebecca Harlow in a special ring of disdain with a few others….

    46. Blake Griffin has a punchable face……i honestly think that is what it is.

      Harlow is similarly equipped….not that i am advocating such things.

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