Knicks Morning News (2016.01.27)

  • [New York Daily News] Durant, Westbrook and Thunder outlast Melo-less Knicks in OT (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:48:40 GMT)

    There was no Carmelo Anthony and only sprinkles of magic from New York’s “unicorn” rookie.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: ‘Unicorn’ Porzingis puts Knicks in play for Durant (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:19:55 GMT)

    The Unicorn is an appropriate nickname for Kristaps Porzingis, who really is a dream come true for the Knicks and their long-suffering fans.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Arron Afflalo on Knicks: 'We're a playoff team, period' (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:47:10 EST)

    Arron Afflalo on Knicks: 'We're a playoff team, period'

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Kevin Durant witnesses a few 'unicorn' sightings at the Garden (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:45:31 EST)

    Kevin Durant witnesses a few 'unicorn' sightings at the Garden

  • [New York Post] Kristaps Porzingis’ response to Durant’s ‘unicorn’ comparison (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:37:19 -0500)

    Players have called opponents a lot of names over the years in sports, using often colorful terms to make their points. But Thunder star Kevin Durant's description of Kristaps Porzingis on Monday was a new one for the Knicks rookie: A unicorn. "Unicorn. I didn't know how to take that,” Porzingis said laughing. "I didn't…

  • [New York Times] North Korea on Ice: Canadian Plans Hockey Tournament in Pyongyang (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:57:28 GMT)

    A Canadian man behind a series of trips to North Korea by basketball hall of famer Dennis Rodman is organizing an ice hockey tournament that may draw former National Hockey League (NHL) players to the isolated country.

  • [New York Times] Dirk Delivers as Mavs Edge Lakers (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:33:28 GMT)

    For three quarters, Dirk Nowitzki was a non-factor. In the final period, though, Nowitzki was the difference in the outcome.

  • [New York Times] Nowitzki’s Late Jumper Propels Mavericks Past Lakers, 92-90 (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:18:49 GMT)

    After Dirk Nowitzki arched back and released the tiebreaking jumper, he glided back into the Los Angeles Lakers’ bench area.

  • [New York Times] McCollum Helps Trail Blazers Beat Kings 112-97 (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:36:38 GMT)

    C.J. McCollum scored 18 points, Damian Lillard had 15 points and 13 assists and Portland shut down red-hot DeMarcus Cousins in the Trail Blazers 112-97 win over the Sacramento Kings on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat 102, Nets 98: Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade Score 27 Points Each as Heat Edge the Nets (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:20:42 GMT)

    In a tight game in Brooklyn, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade combined for Miami’s final 12 points to allow the Heat to escape with a victory.

  • [New York Times] Thunder 128, Knicks 122, Overtime: Without Carmelo Anthony, Knicks Dig In but Fade in Stretch Against Thunder (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:04:48 GMT)

    Although Anthony was ruled out about two hours before tipoff, and although Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook posted extraterrestrial totals, the Knicks hung in until overtime.

  • [New York Times] Lowry Scores 29 to Lead Raptors to 106-89 Win Over Wizards (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:00:46 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry had a vintage performance in the Toronto Raptors ninth straight victory but the focus was on the All-Star starter’s injured left wrist.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 44 in Thunder’s OT Win at New York (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:00:31 GMT)

    The Oklahoma City tandem of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook were too much for the New York Knicks to handle on Tuesday as the Thunder won 128-122 in overtime at Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores Season-High 44, Thunder Beat Knicks in OT (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 04:54:42 GMT)

    Kevin Durant heard all about Golden State and San Antonio the last few days, and isn’t bothered the NBA’s best have been hogging all the headlines.

  • [New York Times] Smith, Covington Lift Suddenly Decent 76ers Past Phoenix (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:54:51 GMT)

    Nicki Minaj took a seat near the 76ers’ bench and watched the worst team in the NBA hit the top of the scoring chart.

  • [New York Times] Antetokounmpo Dunks 8 Times, Bucks Beat Magic in Kidd Return (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:48:52 GMT)

    Giannis Antetokounmpo dunked eight times and scored 25 points as the Milwaukee Bucks, with coach Jason Kidd back on the bench, sent the Orlando Magic to their seventh straight loss, 107-100 Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wade and Bosh Each Score 27, Heat Beat Nets 102-98 (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:18:49 GMT)

    Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh each scored 27 points, leading the Miami Heat over the Brooklyn Nets 102-98 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Short-Handed Clippers Hold Off Pacers Comeback for 91-89 Win (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:03:45 GMT)

    Chris Paul scored 26 points and J.J. Redick added 19 as the Los Angeles Clippers held off a late Indiana comeback for a 91-89 victory Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Blake Griffin Out 4 to 6 Weeks After Breaking Hand in Altercation (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 01:45:22 GMT)

    The five-time All-Star got into an argument with the Clippers’ assistant equipment manager on Saturday at a restaurant during a team road trip, according to an ESPN report.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Blake Griffin Out 4-To-6 Weeks After Breaking Hand (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:36:52 GMT)

    Blake Griffin is expected to miss four to six weeks with a broken shooting hand after punching a Los Angeles Clippers staff member during a road trip.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Griffin Breaks Hand in Fight, Out 4-6 Weeks (Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:30:31 GMT)

    Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin is expected to miss four to six weeks of action after breaking his hand while throwing a punch, the National Basketball Association team said on Tuesday.

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    1. Woj saying the Hawks will shop Teague at the deadline. He’d be a notable upgrade over Calderon, but I can’t see us having anything Atlanta would want to give him up for.

    2. Be kind of funny if Grant were included in a hypothetical Teague package, though. And funnier still if Atlanta insisted we take TH3 off their hands in the bargain.

    3. Jeff’s been pretty meh 3 out of the last 4 years. He looked like he took a leap last season, but now I’m not so sure. I mean, shit, for 8 million a year I’d take a chance if they’d give him up for a Derrick Williams/Sasha/Seraphin pu-pu platter, but that’s all I’d offer.

    4. i think that’s about all we could offer unless they want to take rolo…. teague’s not amazing but he’s definitely in the top 15 of nba pt guards and possibly top 10…

    5. I’d take a chance if they’d give him up for a Derrick Williams/Sasha/Seraphin pu-pu platter, but that’s all I’d offer.

      Too bad we can’t offer them Shumpert (again).

    6. Afflalo is such a boom-or-bust player that it’s hard to gauge what his value is like, but I agree that you have to at least test the trade waters there. We’re finding out that it’s actually pretty nice to have draft picks and stuff.

    7. It Really sucks what happened to Melo against Boston. The team was rolling and picking up momentum, then boom. Then Lance gets hurt smh.

    8. Disappointing re: Teague–I was hoping they were gonna shop Schroeder, not Teague, given the tension there.

    9. Disappointing re: Teague–I was hoping they were gonna shop Schroeder, not Teague, given the tension there.

      Schroeder scares me a little, seems to have a little of that Rondo attitude. But if we could get him cheap, it might be worth a shot.

    10. I want to see a lineup of C: Lopez, PF: KP, SF: Melo, SG: Durant, PG: Grant. Average height: 6’10”

      Completely goes against the small-ball grain, but I think the bigs are mobile enough to make it work.

    11. seems like the only way we’d get teague is if we gave lopez for him. the hawks have been missing a guy like that since losing pachulia, and splitter only plays 16mpg. we’re not gonna do that, and I don’t think teague is really a phil kind of player…he seems to sleepwalk a lot when he’s not feeling it. i’m not sure either team would do lopez/calderon for teague/splitter.

    12. Teague always looks great when he’s tearing apart the Knicks, but if you really start looking around at the quality of PGs in the league he’s not much more than an average starter really. On a very team friendly deal for next year, but that’s it. You’re getting 1.5 bargain years of an average starting PG (which I admit is not something we’ve seen around these parts in quite some time). That’s worth an asset in a vacuum, but to the Knicks? I don’t know if he moves the needle enough to make it worth even parting with someone like Grant. And I don’t think he’s a particularly good fit stylistically (he’s basically the antithesis of a triangle PG; we have nobody to run the break with him). I’d also be saying no thanks unless they really wanted to give him away.

    13. Robin Lopez is one of the best values in the NBA. I would like to keep him unless we’re winning a completely one-sided deal.

    14. You know what’s weird? Our most marketable non-Porzingis asset might actually be Lance Thomas. Making basically minimum salary this year, comes with early bird rights. I can seriously imagine Atlanta being interested in a Calderon+Thomas for Teague swap. And I’m not sure I would do it.

    15. The only reason you consider trading RoLo is that our front court is crowded.

      We have KP, O’Quinn and RoLo for the next 4 years. We have Hernangomez coming over next year and possibly re-sign Derrick Williams.

      I do like O’Quinn in the longterm, but would trade him before RoLo.

    16. I think NY should accept Calderone + Thomas for Teague if that is the asking price, but I don’t think it is. Teague was an all-star last year, and hasn’t fallen off a cliff. He’s not injured. His contract is great.

      What could be interesting is if Boston and Cleveland get together to move Kevin Love. The big asset Boston has is BK’s draft pick. Cleveland, in win this very second mode, has little use for it so a third team would be involved. What if this was on the table:

      BOS: Kevin Love
      NY: David Lee + Nets’ unprotected 2016 pick
      CLE: Avery Bradley, Robin Lopez

      Yay or nay?

    17. Yay or nay?

      The Knicks end up with Brooklyn’s unprotected first for Robin Lopez? That’d be amazing.

      Cleveland, though, has too many big men. I don’t think they would want Lopez.

    18. BOS: Kevin Love
      NY: David Lee + Nets’ unprotected 2016 pick
      CLE: Avery Bradley, Robin Lopez

      Yay or nay?

      I don’t think Phil is planning on punting this season (which is probably what this deal would mean). That said, it’s really interesting. I certainly would have to think long and hard about clearing Lopez’s contract and getting a top 5 pick. It seems like NY is getting by far the best deal here though.

    19. teague’s rep must have really fallen off but the guy is still pretty good and i would argue it would put us in contention next year… a pg who can defend, hit a shot and get to the basket without dominating the ball are not common qualities…

      that’s a solid pg… and we’re sorely in need of that…

    20. getting ben simmons on the knicks somehow is a fantasy…. but it’s a really awesome fantasy….

    21. I would think Cleveland would be able to do better than that for Kevin Love.

      Would they rather have Dwight Howard?

      Maybe a Griffin for Love trade works for all parties, but it would really bust up the block.

      There are only so many teams that would be in the market for Love that would have movable “win now” assets. Boston is an obvious one because they have the will and the ways– they just would need a third team. Lopez is the kind of C that theoretically thrives on the court with James. And Bradley is a defensive guard that is, I guess, looking to get out of Boston anyway. (Maybe Boston adds Marcus Smart? That works salary wise too)

    22. I’d only consider trading Lopez if we receive an elite 1 in the deal (not Teague). Pau would probably sign with NYK this summer to somewhat mitigate the loss. In terms of an elite PG, I would target the anti-Scalderon 25yo Rubio who is a whopping +9.5 through his career (plus on both offense and defense) but not a high usage, ball-dominant guard. TWolves have LaVine and Tyus Jones (drafted 24th) so they might be open to the right type of deal this summer. In particular, they’re looking to shed Pekovic’s 3 yr contract. Maybe Lopez could be part of 3-way deal. Rubio at the 1, Lance at the 2, Melo at the 3, KP at the 4, and Pau at the 5 would be a nice unit.

    23. BOS: Kevin Love
      NY: David Lee + Nets’ unprotected 2016 pick
      CLE: Avery Bradley, Robin Lopez

      definitely Nay. I would prefer to have two way players and a strong defensive front court, which we are pretty close to now. David Lee doesn’t defend well, as I think everyone would agree, and his last two coaches have played him sparing minutes. Giving up our starting center for him is too much, even if we get Brooklyn’s draft pick. Basically, I think we’d be a worse team, but have another draft pick. That’s not really the direction I want to go in.

    24. You take RoLo for a top 5 pick in any possible universe–especially in one where Phil is trying to secure long-term viability for this basketball organization. If he did, there’s no way he shouldn’t win executive of the year.

      Would be sad to see Lopez go though. This won’t be happening, however, so we don’t have to go there.

    25. Why would we think O’Quinn is more likely to contribute in the future than he does now? I’d be happy to dump him and try to re-sign the superior Williams. For all D-Will’s deficiencies (it was crazy last night how many good three pointers they dared him to shoot in the 4Q and OT), his athleticism is something we sorely need. Oaq has none of that.

    26. Also, has there ever been a player as deficient in shooting as Ricky Rubio who still manages to be a good player without being a defensive specialist?

      By not being able to shoot I don’t mean “can’t shoot beyond 5 feet” like many centers and forwards, but rather a .483 career TS kind of not being able to shoot because those are historically awful numbers for a starting guard with a large minutes sample.

    27. Also, has there ever been a player as deficient in shooting as Ricky Rubio who still manages to be a good player without being a defensive specialist?

      Jason Kidd was a pretty horrendous shooter for most of his career. Everything else was all-time great, though.

      50.7% career TS, which is considerably higher than Rubio’s but still well below-average.

    28. Lance Thomas’s early bird rights are meaningless if you think he’ll get more than an average NBA salary, and if he keeps playing as he has, that’s inevitable. Compare him (probably favorably) to Jae Crowder last year, factor in the cap jump and tons of cap space, and I see Lance getting offers between $8 and $11m to start.

    29. You take RoLo for a top 5 pick in any possible universe–especially in one where Phil is trying to secure long-term viability for this basketball organization. If he did, there’s no way he shouldn’t win executive of the year.

      Honestly, I am not sure about this. In last year’s draft, with Okafor, Towns Porzingis and a bunch of promising players, I can see saying yes. But in the previous draft, no way, there was almost no one there. So at the least, I say you wait until near the draft after the season to do such a deal. Or do what we did with Hardaway and Grant, wait until the player is actually ready to be picked.

    30. Honestly, I am not sure about this. In last year’s draft, with Okafor, Towns Porzingis and a bunch of promising players, I can see saying yes. But in the previous draft, no way, there was almost no one there. So at the least, I say you wait until near the draft after the season to do such a deal. Or do what we did with Hardaway and Grant, wait until the player is actually ready to be picked.

      ISIAH, IS THAT YOU?

    31. Also, has there ever been a player as deficient in shooting as Ricky Rubio who still manages to be a good player without being a defensive specialist?

      The bizarre part is that Rubio is a career 80% from free throw line. Rondo, for example, 60% career FT%. In fact, there are only 5 guards in 3 ball era who have played more than 1000 minutes in their career and had eFG% less than 40 and FT% greater or equal to 80 and none were close to Ricky in win shares.

    32. What about a 3-team deal

      NY- Holiday

      ATL – Grant, AA

      N.O. – Teague

      This gives ATL the opportunity to move Korver to the bench.

      The knicks can start Lance at the 2 and have Calderon and Gallo come off the bench.

    33. Top five picks in the 2013 draft:

      Anthony Bennett,
      Victor Oladipo
      Otto Porter
      Cody Zeller
      Alex Len

      Which one would you trade straight up for RoLo?

    34. Duke’s Brandon Ingram is emerging as the clear #2 player in this draft to Ben Simmons. He’s a 6’9″ wing with a freakishly long wingspan and after a slow start he has been killing it lately as a boxscore-stuffing stretch 4.

    35. I really don’t think that breaking up this team is wise. We need to augment it mostly. The most that I would do would be to trade Jose, O’Quinn or Seraphin for a PG upgrade. Or just build from within from the Dleague, free agency or the draft. Our synergy must be preserved.

    36. Finally got around to watching the game when I got home from work yesterday. Bitterly disappointing result, but ultimately a 6 point loss in OT against the Thunder without Melo probably isn’t a terrible result. Team has a lot of heart, but just lack that bit of extra polish without Melo in the side. Definitely promising to see Gallo get back into a groove. If we can get consistent play out of KP, Gallo and D-Will that would be a huge boost.

      As for trades, I in all honesty would be happy if we just topped up with D-League guys, or guys coming off waivers. Ultimately if a good deal comes along that can help us long term, then yeah go for it, but I really can’t see us making a big splash.

    37. Top five picks in the 2013 draft:

      Anthony Bennett,
      Victor Oladipo
      Otto Porter
      Cody Zeller
      Alex Len

      Which one would you trade straight up for RoLo?

      The idea is that you get consecutive high lotto picks and then let the players come of age together, like in GS and in OKC. These guys are cheap, and controlled for a long time as you build an actual championship contending core. (The players drafted in previous drafts truly have no bearing here. Because one GM whiffed on a pick, all picks are worthless?)

      I really don’t think that breaking up this team is wise

      Breaking up this team? It’s only been together for 3 months. And though it’s been better than what we’ve grown accustomed to seeing, it’s still just full of stop-gap players. Lopez was, what, Phil’s 4th choice for a FA center last summer? If you can turn that into a high lotto pick, you’re kind of crazy not to.

    38. So you’re hPpy to trade a good player for a bad player if he’s a similar age as KP?

    39. ESPN is doing these very interesting “trade targets” columns for the whole league. My issue, though, is that they’re slowly rolling them out a day at a time, which is okay during the offseason, but during the regular season, if you take three weeks to get a series of columns up, by the time you’re done, the first week’s worth of columns might look completely out of date.

    40. So you’re hPpy to trade a good player for a bad player if he’s a similar age as KP?

      Yeah, definitely, for sure. That’s exactly what I’m saying.

    41. Top five picks in the 2013 draft:

      Anthony Bennett,
      Victor Oladipo
      Otto Porter
      Cody Zeller
      Alex Len

      Which one would you trade straight up for RoLo?

      If Bennett were guaranteed to have been the #1 pick (like, if there were a rule that said, “Players named Anthony Bennett must be selected with the #1 pick”), the demand for the pick would have been lower, since (1) some teams correctly assumed he was a bad player and (2) some teams had no use for another PF on the roster. A draft pick has value, and players have value. They are two completely different things, even if the former is a way to acquire the latter.

    42. “My take is that we’re a playoff team, period,’’ Afflalo said. “We will make the playoffs. We belong in the playoffs. I’m just saying that because of our consistency. We’ve been an inconsistent team throughout the year. Tonight bothers me — we have to give that consistent effort so we can pull out wins.

      Hearing this come out of AA’s mouth bothers me

    43. I’d trade Lance Thomas and Calderon for Teague. I think that the salaries match. Atl is seeking a 3 and D guy. We then bring up Darion Atkins from Westchester and we have Lance 2.0 with more rebounds and blocks. There, it’s done!

    44. I don’t know if they’d want Calderon, but if for some reason the ATL front office disregards advanced metrics, Arron “Defensive Plus”Afflalo and Teague are both making $8m/year

    45. Why wouldn’t ATL do a straight up trade for Calderon? Isn’t he the better player statistically? I mean there is the age factor but they already have a young pg. What ATL needs is veteran leadership and a fiery Spaniard to lite a fire under Horford and Millsap.

    46. @49
      Teague for Afflalo straight up? Done! Why would Atlanta do that, though? Free up cap space (since AA is almost certain to opt out)? Oh wait, they did trade a 1st round pick for Timmy, though.
      :-)

    47. @50 The D portion of your “Atlanta is seeking a 3 and D guy” comment, for one.
      And my wishful thinking for two, three, and four

    48. What about something centered around Deing and Shabazz for Lopez?

      I enjoy RoLo and do not want to see him go but if we are doing what ifs, so be it.

    49. The right answer is Nerlens Noel

      How that guy didn’t go top five is still astonishing to me.

    50. How that guy didn’t go top five is still astonishing to me.

      I think he had a torn ACL knee.

      He may have slide a little bit because of that.

      But he certainly is better than any one in the top 5 picks.

    51. I think he had a torn ACL knee.

      He may have slide a little bit because of that.

      But he certainly is better than any one in the top 5 picks.

      The ACL was a good reason for him to slide period, but I thought at the time that it would explain him dropping from #1 to, like, #3. Not outside the top five. I mean, I even like Alex Len well enough, but was having an extra year of Len really worth the drop-off from Noel to him? Or for Washington, where Porter was going to be stashed anyways, why not take Noel and sit on him? Some strange decisions in that draft. It was like Washington didn’t even like the guy that they were taking with the #3 overall pick!!

    52. Phil would Rather have Schroder I would think; how about Grant and lance for Schroeder , too much? Or not enough, I can’t tell?

    53. Knicks have a pretty good squad. Biggest problem is a lack of a defensive presence at the #1. Jerian is that man but looks lost in the triangle and needs the offense tailored to him. Jose is great offensively but no help at all unless he’s being aggressive.

      The biggest difference now is Phil. He’s not big on impulse purchases or box office moves. He’s a fucking purist and if you think he’s giving up Langston Galloway or Lance Thomas for a guy who’s been in an all star game you’re crazy.

      As a fan, this is a big rebuild for me. I watched Rod Strickland, Trevor Ariza, Marcus Camby and countless others, it seems, have great careers for other organizations. Leaving us with the likes of Mo Cheeks, Steve Francis, and middle period inactive list Mcdyess. Of course he got great once we traded him for Stephon Marbury, who, at least was in his prime when he came over.

      I just hope we can win close to forty and add without subtracting this summer. I think Phil is committed to developing these players and hoping for the same result.

    54. Not calling you crazy @58 :-)

      or anyone. I just want to see talent we develop actually come to fruition in a NYK uniform as opposed to trading for someone who’s best days are behind him.

      I probably wouldn’t trade anyone we could get anything for. Maybe Afflalo or Caldy but are we really going to upgrade much with those chips? Teague for Aff? Sure, but that’s not gonna happen. The only trades I would make before draft night would be if someone made an offer we could not refuse. Like a Knick type trade where we’re the other team.

    55. Phil would Rather have Schroder I would think; how about Grant and lance for Schroeder , too much? Or not enough, I can’t tell?

      They’re shopping Teague because Schroder is their closeout point nowadays, so Teague is a bit of a luxury for them, especially as they have a decent third-string point guard, Shelvin Mack.

    56. The whole idea of getting Teague is to speed up the offense… I think it can be accomplished by making AA the 6th man and starting lance … And prefer to see KP start at 5 and start dwill …( and while I’m at it start Gallo over Jose). Any of those three moves would speed up the offense.

    57. Teague is great, but Galloway is the kind of player that Teague used to be. Who are you trading for Teague? Unless it’s a combination of Calderon/Oquinn/Seraphin/AA/Williams/Early, I wouldn’t do it. I would not give up Lance Thomas, who looks like the soul and glue of the team, Galloway, who should be starting, or Grant, who may end up being anything from backup-1 to star.

      Someone tell Fisher to start Galloway/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Rolo.

      Tell Grant to shoot 500 3’s a day.

      Tell Afflalo to PASS.

      Tell Phil to lean less on triangulation and more on pick and rolls for our big guys.

      Tell Melo to keep on doing what he’s doing.

      Tell everyone to play the same way in the fourth quarter as the first for god’s sakes.

    58. I’m not into trades where we give up the best asset. Lance Thomas and Derrick Williams are really good basketball players; they’re guys that you want on your team when you’re looking to make a playoff run. Same thing with Robin Lopez. The only players I’d be willing to part ways with are Calderon and Afflalo. Anything else and you have to give me a pick that nets Buddy Hield (.701 TS%, yes a .701, on a 30 USG% for the number one team in the country). I’d pass on any trades this time around unless they’re steals. Between Melo, Porzingis, Lopez, LT, DWill, and Galloway, the Knicks have a very good foundation to add star players to. We need to upgrade the guard spot, but this is a dead year. We’re not title contenders, so we shouldn’t compromise our long term success. I’d rather we re-sign Gallo, DWill, and LT this off-season and try our best to present CP3 or Westbrook a roster they can’t refuse in 2017.

    59. Wasn’t Shroeder not even playing like 3 weeks ago?

      Yeah, but that looks like it was some stupid mind games BS by Budz. I hate stupid mind game BS by coaches. Like when D’Antoni benched Nate for a month or so, then brought him back into the rotation without Nate changing his game at all.

    60. Damn, I think the Thunder just kind of suck hard on defense. Minnesota just dropped 123 on them, as well. Once again, Durant bailed them out on offense late, but geez louise, that can’t be heartening if you’re a fan of that team.

    61. I like Jeff Teague and would give up anything other than KP and Hernangomez for him. (obviously Melo and Lopez aren’t going anywhere.) He would immediately be the best PG we’ve had since Steph (or for Steph-haters, Derek?)

      Shroeder? Not sure he shoots well enough to be anything more than a poor man’s Rondo. Probably not a great fit in this offense, but maybe for the right price?

      I’m surprised that Atlanta is even talking about a trade of either of these guys.

    62. I like Jeff Teague and would give up anything other than KP and Hernangomez for him.

      Wondering why you like Hernangomez so much. We’ve literally barely seen him play, and he’s getting very little run in the Europe. Athletically his upside seems very limited, and we already have an excess of bigs. With KP, Lopez, and KOQ under contract for the next 3.5 years, barring injury I can’t imagine Hernangomez playing much more than the combination of KOQ + Seraphin. I’d trade Willy in a second to net an actual above average NBA player on a reasonable contract at a position of need.

      re: Schroeder – he’d immediately become the best defensive PG we’ve had since Derek Harper. And he’s averaging 18p/5r/8a/1.8stl per 36. And he’s 22 with room to improve on his jump shooting. Atlanta would be crazy to trade him, but I’d certainly take him. Give them Grant/Willy + a 2nd. That’s still highway robbery on our part.

    63. A swap of KOQ for Splitter would be ok. Splitter’s better by advanced stats, but is 31 instead of 25. But the Knicks probably won’t need either of them in a year or two if Porzingis moves into the center position. So we’d get good back up play, and probably smarter back up center play from splitter. If that enabled an upgrade at point guard, it would be well worth it.

    64. I should add that I think the reason KOQ doesn’t get much playing time this season is that he makes plays the coach doesn’t want him to. Against OKC he played three minutes and then was yanked right after he tried some really difficult scoring move one on one and missed the shot. It wasn’t late in the shot clock, he’s not the guy who should be doing that and it wasn’t part of the Knicks system of basketball.

    65. It really pisses me off that we were just half a game behind the Celtics and now those c***s are the 5 seed and we’re potentially on the verge of our 4th four game losing streak.

      Carry on.

    66. The C’s are fairly young and are super deep. We are older and tissue thin.

      Calderon and Melo questionable for tonight.

    67. If Jose doesn’t play, does Fisher start Galloway or Grant? He obviously and understandably trusts Langston more, but the guy’s an even worse orchestrator of an offense than Calderon.

      No matter what, get ready for Sasha Time…

    68. Lance Thomas’s early bird rights are meaningless if you think he’ll get more than an average NBA salary, and if he keeps playing as he has, that’s inevitable. Compare him (probably favorably) to Jae Crowder last year, factor in the cap jump and tons of cap space, and I see Lance getting offers between $8 and $11m to start.

      If your instinct is right then we have to move Lance this February and get something for him before he walks.

      This is very bittersweet. Phil did a tremendous job putting together this team with players who are outperforming expectations. But he set it up so that the only people who are going to benefit from it beyond this season might be the agents of D-Will, Lance Thomas, etc.

      The only marginal player we actually signed to a long term deal is the one who can’t get on the court (Oaq) and we may have to eat his contract.

      It’s nice to think about adding Batum to this core but it seems like almost all our cap space would have to go to retaining the core at bad prices. I like Lance Thomas, but I don’t like him at $11 million or more.

      We’re going to have to look long and hard at moving all our expiring players (Thomas, Williams, Afflalo) at the trade deadline for future assets and starting over again this summer, even if it hurts our chances to make the playoffs.

    69. It really pisses me off that we were just half a game behind the Celtics and now those c***s are the 5 seed and we’re potentially on the verge of our 4th four game losing streak.

      Carry on.

      Blame the Celtics ref

    70. He obviously and understandably trusts Langston more, but the guy’s an even worse orchestrator of an offense than Calderon.

      This is both a good point and irrelevant. Grant is clearly better at forcing a defense to react, and the Knicks need that even more if Carmelo can’t go, but since Galloway and Grant are the only two guys who can play PG they’re both going to get plenty of time.

    71. Big picture, it would be nice to try practice running some Porzingis-centric offense during these games Melo misses instead of using Arron as an ersatz Anthony. I’m sure Kristaps isn’t ready, but fuck it, we don’t really need to win these games.

    72. So when do we get the real story on Melo? “The Knicks announced today that Carmelo Anthony will have both knees replaced and be out through the 2017-2018 season”

    73. This is both a good point and irrelevant. Grant is clearly better at forcing a defense to react, and the Knicks need that even more if Carmelo can’t go, but since Galloway and Grant are the only two guys who can play PG they’re both going to get plenty of time.

      Clearly forgetting about the machine!

    74. I’m not sure about Sasha time tonight. Galloway got thirty minutes against the Thunder and Grant had 21 and change, which slightly more than Calderon got. Sasha got almost nothing. Given that they have to defend both Lowry and Derozan, I would expect Galloway and Thomas to start if Calderon can’t play. I don’t know if Galloway, Afflalo and Grant can handle all the guard time (which would be 32 minutes each). But Fisher could play Lance at the two a little if he doesn’t want to put in Sasha

    75. I would love to get Teague, but suspect there will be other bidders. Given that Atlanta took heat for trading for Hardaway Jr., they might prefer the other bidders if all other things are equal or want to be sure they were getting a good deal if they trade with the Knicks. So I think getting him is a long shot.

    76. It’s sad just how much of a game-changer having Teague or Schroeder can be. Imagine Teague/Whoever’s left/Melo/KP/Rolo. That’s a top defensive lineup right there. And multiple offensive options. Wow.

    77. @ShamsCharania

      The New York Knicks have signed forward Thanasis Antetokounmpo to a 10 day contract, league sources tell Yahoo. He was NYK’s 2014 pick.

      I would not have expected Thanasis to be the W-Knick we used that final roster spot on. Is he actually going to play? Can he play shooting guard?

    78. “Can he play shooting guard?”
      From everything I’ve seen/read about him, he really can’t play “shooting” anything. However, he probably can play defensive guard, which the team could really use.

    79. It’s very hard to find a deal that works for both the Hawks and Knicks. The only one I could find on the trade machine that might help both teams was Afflalo straight up for Teague. I think I’d do that trade and maybe start Lance at 2 guard. We might have to throw in someone young, like Early, to make this happen. What does everyone think of this?

    80. Thanasis has shown some hints of corner 3 shooting ability, and he can finish, but yeah-he really shouldn’t be shooting from anywhere outside of 5 feet.

    81. @93 You absolutely make that trade. Regardless of how you feel about Afflalo, Teague is younger, fulfills a huge need, and doesn’t have a player option next year

    82. Teague is younger, fulfills a huge need, and doesn’t have a player option next year

      On the other hand, AA’s player option (and DWill’s, too) has value to us if we’re entertaining the fantasy of signing a big free agent this summer. I don’t believe Durant would actually come here, but it becomes much harder to clear the space to make that happen if Teague’s contract is on the books.

    83. I feel like Calderon and Lance for Teague is a reasonable offer.

      They get the best player in Lance (that may sound weird but it’s true). We get Teague for Calderon and no impact on our cap next year. They have a backup for Schroeder. We don’t lose Lance for nothing in the summer.

      Wins all around.

    84. @Hubert, that’s a very solid trade from all sides if they value Lance as the hoss that he is. I’m still harboring delusional hope that he’ll reward Phil putting faith in him this offseason and come back next year on a team-friendly deal

    85. I feel like Calderon and Lance for Teague is a reasonable offer.

      There’s zero chance Hawks do that trade. They’re looking to net a pick and expiring contract for Teague so they could free up cap and re-sign Bazemore. Why would they want to rent Lance for 3 months and then have Calderon’s contract on the books? More importantly, why even trade Lance?

      Lance @11m > Nic @25m
      Lance @11m > Bazemore @18m

      Play Lance at SG and sign Pau. Pau would give us the shot-creator we seek mitigating the need for a dynamic 1. Grant has been showing of late just how valuable he is when he goes into attack mode. He’ll likely be >= Teague. Just hold our powder and Rubio, Bledsoe, or Holiday will be there and we’ll have some trade chips in Lopez/Hernangomez/KOQ/draft pick to deal IF we want to deal.

    86. Thanasis being called up makes you wonder if Phil is getting close to pulling the trigger on a trade involving a wing. Or possibly Melo’s injury is worse than we thought?

    87. Actually, I’m not sure Atlanta should want Afflalo, but they wanted Hardaway and Afflalo basically a much better Hardaway, but one who is not on a rookie deal and who’s contract expires soon. I’d be very happy if they wanted Calderon, and I like Hubert’s proposed trade; but I am really doubtful Atlanta would do it. They’d have to value Lance a lot. It just shows the difficulty of making the trade. We’re stretching to find something Atlanta would like. Also, Atlanta being good, they don’t have a ton of obvious holes to fill and we have youth we generally want to keep, which also makes it hard.

    88. It’s very surprising that they aren’t using their roster spot on a guard instead of a wing.

    89. Maybe Thanasis got called up because Phil is offering him in a trade and teams are skeptical of his value, so Phil wants to show him off. (And it won’t hurt to have another good defender available against Toronto)

    90. While no Melo obviously hurts, the Knicks also look like they’re actually going to catch a huge break with Lowry being out tonight. He’s currently questionable, but I don’t know why you’d risk playing him if you’re Toronto. Just give him the game off. So then it would be a Lowry-less Raptor team, which is a gigantic step down for them as he kind of runs the entire team and with them having won 9 in a row, this would practically be a “schedule loss” for them.

    91. Maybe Melo’s knee is more fucked up then they’re letting on

      Good thing they played him all those minutes right away after he returned from the ankle injury.

    92. I assume the call-up is just to have 12 active players. Maybe they throw him in as a defensive specialist.

    93. I wonder whether Lance is getting a lot of interest on the trade market and the team wants to see whether Thanasis can approximate at least his defensive value? or more likely, either the combination of Lance/Melo will probably have to cut their minutes, and no one wants to see Sasha ever play again.

      Thanasis has shown some hints of corner 3 shooting ability, and he can finish, but yeah-he really shouldn’t be shooting from anywhere outside of 5 feet.

      he looks barely serviceable from the corner (9/26 this year, although 5/11 from L corner 3 and only 4/15 from R corner 3), but completely awful from anywhere else — 4/35 from above the break.

      Interestingly NBA.com has him down as shooting 47.6% from mid-range, which is actually quite good.

      One thing he is great at, though, is getting out in transition. That dude has afterburners and tries to dunk everything. And for a guy who’s really about only 6’6″, he is a really good shot blocker and help defender.

      if nothing else, having watched him a bunch of times in person in Westchester, Thanasis plays with TONS of energy. He’ll be champing at the bit for his first NBA time. Very happy for him — the first game I went to with my little boy, Thanasis was signing autographs after the game. Was super nice to us, took pictures with my son, etc. Seems like a genuinely nice guy.

    94. That’s actually my trade! But I’m willing to share the glory.

      Sorry Reub, my mistake

    95. Maybe Thanasis got called up because Phil is offering him in a trade and teams are skeptical of his value, so Phil wants to show him off. (And it won’t hurt to have another good defender available against Toronto)

      Thansasis can sign anywhere he wants. Knicks lost rights after he was cut from training camp.

    96. I feel like Calderon and Lance for Teague is a reasonable offer.

      They get the best player in Lance (that may sound weird but it’s true).

      I know that fans tend to over-value their own team’s players, but, objectively, there is no GM on the league that would see that as a good trade by ATL. Not only is Teague an All-Star less than one year ago, healthy, on a great contract, and coming off a trip to the ECF, but he’s actually younger than Lance Thomas.

      Not only that, ATL would be taking on salary in the deal.

      If that’s the best offer they can get for Teague, they’d be a lot better off keeping him. They’re already a good team. It’s not like Teague has demanded a trade and the chemistry there is shot. They have the luxury of having two PGs that have value.

    97. Yeah, Teague is being moved specifically because he is a luxury for them right now, so they’re looking to see if they can get something good for him while possibly also opening up cap space to re-sign Bazemore. While Teague starts, Schroder closes, hence Teague not being a particular necessity for the team.

    98. Got it. Didn’t know what their reasoning was. THought he got into a fight with Schroeder or something.

      Is Bazemore on one of those Lance Thomas type deals where they can’t just use his bird rights?

    99. Yeah, he’s in exactly the same cap situation that Thomas is in. The Hawks only have early Bird rights on him, so they can only re-sign him to the MLE without using cap room. Dropping Teague’s salary gives them room to re-sign Bazemore without having to worry about their cap (I believe they can re-sign Bazemore even while keeping Teague, but it’s obviously a lot tougher).

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