Knicks Morning News (2015.08.04)

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    40 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.08.04)”

    1. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62787/clyde-on-carmelo-will-he-ask-out

      An obvious observation but it’s interesting to see it articulated by Clyde. It rings true. Does this mean we should start wondering where he’s going at the trade deadline and what we’re getting back for him? I hope he’s healthy and drives up the cost. I hope we get a collection of promising young players and picks for Melo. I do see him getting traded to a win-now contender.

    2. This was a stunning part of the Q&A:
      Q: What did you think of Knicks rookie Jerian Grant in summer league?

      A: Initially, I didn’t like the [Tim] Hardaway trade. But now because of the acquisition of Grant, [I liked it]. You’ve got to give to get and we definitely needed a point guard so I think that was a good move.

    3. Thanks for the pointer. He made some other interesting quotes too

      Because right now the Knicks, [it’s] going to be tough to make the playoffs.

      and

      the guys … they have. They’re not as adept as the guys Jackson has had in the past.

      and

      I think [Grant is] going to start for the Knicks. It’s inevitable.

    4. I take what Clyde says with a grain of salt. He’s really good at in-game discussion, but as a former player, he doesn’t really think like a GM. What he’s really really good at is facial hair analysis

      As for the discussion in the other thread about Okafor vs Towns, March was still Okafor = #1. Mocks from then all show him as number one, going to the Knicks (sigh).

      And as for the Melo opting out idea, that would be really ideal for us. A few picks and a promising young player or two, and we’d be really building. NOT HAPPENING. (Pairing Melo up with a bonafide complementary superstar a la Lebron/CP3/Harden etc would instantly make him insanely good, probably revive his reputation, and it’s a damn shame we haven’t been able to do that for him here.)

    5. @4

      Wouldn’t all parties benefit from playing this year out and trying to lock up a superstar in the offseason since we will have cap space for one maybe 2 if some guys opt out?

    6. Yeah, but #StayMe7o and #branding and staying #blessed means you stay in #NYC.

      He’s not going anywhere. He’s too locked in, and if he didn’t leave after last season, he ain’t leaving now.

    7. Of all the possibilities, I could see Melo agreeing to a trade to Chicago, maybe the Clips. I don’t think he’s a Texas kind of guy, but I could see Cuban make a run for him, and maybe even Morey (he went all out for him last year, surprisingly.) He’d be an interesting fit in Miami, no? Whiteside/Melo/Bosh/Wade/Dragic? That could give Cleveland fits!

    8. You know, I’ve been thinking about this Melo thing. The man keeps receiving financial rewards for being what he is, which means there is little incentive to change, IMHO.
      As a result, Melo will play loosely within the construct of the offense, but break from it whenever he wants. This will retard team development. He’ll continue to take about 78% of his shots from outside and he’ll continue to dominate the ball (40%) in crunch time. You don’t hand a guy a max contract and say play differently. He’s going to keep running his plan until the game stops him.
      I know some will say he’s changed; but I’m skeptical. His TS% and eFG% over the past four years is on average his career %s. His usage is well above his career average for three years straight. His attempts are up over the same period, although they have declined slightly in each. At the same time his scoring/36 is down three years straight. His FTAs and FTs have been declining as well.
      Plus, 31 year old players are what they are; typically they decline. During his time the Knicks had one good season, and got into the second round.
      Melo will change only when a better player emerges. This may happen because of Porzingis.
      It’s a lot for a 19 year old; it could take a couple years. I can see why folks see such a huge upside. I don’t recall ever seeing a guy who moved so well with that size. He can handle the ball. He has deft touch. He has a good 38-inch vertical for a 7’+ guy. He can go left and right. His foot work is very good. Working within Phil’s system, this guy could be very dangerous. I hope he and Grant become friends. But I think Melo, I worry, will retard development of these players as he tries to reassert himself after his injury.

    9. He’s not going anywhere. He’s too locked in, and if he didn’t leave after last season, he ain’t leaving now.

      Yeah. All of this talk has been a waste for months idk why you guys keep fooling yourselves into it.

      I think Melo, I worry, will retard development of these players as he tries to reassert himself after his injury.

      This makes no sense. Its Melos team, the rookies have to fit in and grow off of his game. Thats how this works right?

    10. The mavs might be worse than us next year! Zero chance he would want to go there. Basically fellas he choose the Knicks over various other teams because his family and him wanted to stay in New York. Not sure why anyone would think because we didn’t land deandre Jordan or lamarcus alderidge he wants to leave 1.5 years later..by the end of next season I think we will have just as good of a chance as anyone at landing a big time free agent

    11. er

      This is decidedly not Melo’s team. He is the highest paid player, but this is Phil’s team.
      I’m in the camp of those fellows who believe Melo’s brand of play limits teams.
      It would have been Melo’s team if Phil had gone out and gotten him a bunch of veterans and tried to win games now. It is not Melo’s team when they play the triangle.
      Phil made it clear he didn’t consult at all with Melo.
      Being the highest paid player doesn’t make it his team.
      I’m with Clyde. Melo will eventually want out because it isn’t his team.

    12. I also believe Phil intends to trade Melo.
      He needed to wait for Melo to recover from surgery and show he could play.
      If Melo does what he does early in the season, and the Knicks suck, he a) bolsters Melo’s value by showing he can still score at an elite level and b) because the Knicks are struggling with him, perhaps negatives the blow back from the Melo lovers out there.
      Machiavellian, I agree, but I think this is how it plays out.

    13. This is decidedly not Melo’s team. He is the highest paid player, but this is Phil’s team.

      ……Blank Stare.

      I’m with Clyde. Melo will eventually want out because it isn’t his team.

      Clyde never said that.

      I’m in the camp of those fellows who believe Melo’s brand of play limits teams.

      There is no way to qualify your “camps” thoughts. Stats have actually shown otherwise.

      It is not Melo’s team when they play the triangle.

      So the Lakers werent Kobe’s team? Jordan? Shaq?

    14. @8

      Retard the development process? So you think it’s better for rookies to just play with other rookies and win <20 games i.e. suck for several years with other bad players somehow makes them better players? I'm not sure I grasp the logic..I think the best situation for a rookie is basically what Kobe or rondo had where there is a solid system and real talent around them so they are not asked to play outside of themselves..not saying we necessarily have that now but we have a nice mix of youth and vets, Melo takes a lot of the offensive burden off of other players and hopefully fish has developed a more fluid brand of offense this year

    15. but as a former player, [Clyde] doesn’t really think like a GM.

      I’d argue against this. Clyde thinks exactly like some former players/turned GM. Clyde is a smart guy, was a heck of a player, and is a pretty good announcer. He always faults the team when they make dumb plays or fail to play defense. That’s one of my favorite aspects of him.

      On the other hand, he has no grasp of advanced stats, so 20 points is 20 points to him, whether on 7-22 shooting or 8-12 shooting. He would have been an average GM … in 1982. Today there are enough teams that use advanced stats that would rip him left & right on deals, were he in charge of the roster. Unfortunately I don’t believe our team is one of them.

    16. Clyde did not outright say, “Melo will be traded,” but he clearly believes that there is a good chance Melo asks out.

      I’m sure Melo wasn’t happy. His future is now. You know, he’s not getting younger. This is going to be a pivotal season for him to see really how he fits into the Knick plans and how this is going to go from here. Will he ask out, you know what I mean, if he sees that this is not happening? Because right now the Knicks, [it’s] going to be tough to make the playoffs. They are a few years away and Melo knows that his days are numbered, so stay tuned.

      So he’s saying he’s sure Melo wasn’t happy and elsewhere says the Knicks would basically need a miracle to make the playoffs and then says Melo knows his days are numbered… I don’t see how he could more strongly say “Melo is likely to be traded” without outright leaking that Jackson wants to trade him or that Melo wants to be traded. Yes, it’s his opinion, but he’s on the floor at every game and surely talks to the players regularly. His opinions are a lot more meaningful than most.

    17. I’d argue against this. Clyde thinks exactly like some former players/turned GM. Clyde is a smart guy, was a heck of a player, and is a pretty good announcer….On the other hand, he has no grasp of advanced stats, so 20 points is 20 points to him, whether on 7-22 shooting or 8-12 shooting. He would have been an average GM … in 1982.

      So… he thinks like a player not a GM?

    18. In actual news the Knicks signed Seraphin. Seems like a decent pickup. With Lopez, Seraphin, O’Quinn and Zinger (plus the fact that both Melo and Williams can play up a bit) the front court is actually looking quite decent. All my concerns are centered around the guards at this point.

    19. @18.

      Yes. But those players become GMs. Jordan, Bird, Ainge, John Paxson, Phil Jackson, Danny Ferry, Chris Mullin, etc. And I’m guessing it’s not because of their ability to parse a spreadsheet and understand how per minute stats change as a player ages. Or to even know what per-minute stats are, and why they are important.

    20. This signing probably means Melo will not play as much power forward.

      RoLo seraphin and Lou will get mins at the 5.
      Williams,Quinn and Thomas will play the 4
      Porzee will play both
      Melo and cle will play the 3

    21. Good front court depth, but definitely worried about the guards.

      Still, roster has a good mix of contract sizesand lengths if/when a trade comes up.

    22. good signing… exactly the type you can give a one yr deal to and not worry either way…

      the frontcourt’s now a bit crowded i think… i sincerely hope amundsen, thomas, williams and seraphin don’t get major minutes…

    23. @er

      You can I just don’t think it would be anyone of consequence. The rotation sure will be interesting. I could also see Thomas as the backup 3 and maybe Williams getting run there with cle spending time in the d league. Does anyone like seraphin more than the legend known as cole? Really haven’t seen much of this guy

    24. I think Lance slides to backup 3.

      That’s 3 centers (RoLo, Seraphin, Lou), 3 PF’s (Porzingis, O’Quinn, Williams), 3 SF’s (Melo, Lance, Cle, ?Afflalo).

      Not too bad considering last year’s roster. Now if we fix the PG/SG position (Calderon-PG, Grant-PG/SG, Galloway-PG/SG, Afflalo-SG, Vujacic-SG) by adding anyone who can scoring from 3 we’d be decent.

    25. Can’t really find anything to like about Seraphin’s numbers. Kind of looks Jason Smith-ian, to be honest.

    26. I don’t understand why so many here think that Melo wants to stay in NY no matter what. I thought last Summer he made it very clear that he doesn’t care about staying here and that the only reason he did stay was because we offered him way more money than any other team could. I think he’s perfectly willing to leave but not just anywhere. If we were willing to work out a S&T with Chicago I have no doubt he’d be a Bull right now.

    27. I don’t understand why so many here think that Melo wants to stay in NY no matter what. I thought last Summer he made it very clear that he doesn’t care about staying here and that the only reason he did stay was because we offered him way more money than any other team could. I think he’s perfectly willing to leave but not just anywhere. If we were willing to work out a S&T with Chicago I have no doubt he’d be a Bull right now.

      He wants very badly to win here. This team is probably going to be one of the better teams he has been on here so i dont see that changing.

    28. And the current composition of the team – at least until we see what Porzingis can do on offense – needs a high usage scorer like Melo.

    29. Seraphin sucks. But he will fill the backup big who bricks too many mid range jump shots role perfectly.

    30. Seraphin sucks. But he will fill the backup big who bricks too many mid range jump shots role perfectly.

      I have to say that after posting my initial reaction I actually looked at Seraphin’s stats and they weren’t quite as good as I was expecting just based on watching him. He’s still just 25 though and the big difference from our former backup bigs who brick midrange Js is that he’s actually a competent defensive big from what I’ve seen. Both of those things are a step in the right direction at least.

    31. if porzingis and grant are for real and melo ages more like dominique or even paul pierce… there’s a great two year window for us to contend between 2016-18…

      besides the cavs and the hawks … there really aren’t any hot up and coming teams… you could count the bucks and they do seem like they would be feisty but looking two seasons out.. there is nobody that’s looking dangerous… not even the cavs or hawks…

      a melo deal long term probably makes more sense… but with a ntc and the likelihood the draft picks coming back are going to be bad…. hanging onto him might not seem like a bad choice… it really all depends if he can age gracefully though…

    32. @32

      If you read what he actually says and have heard things lala says. A large reason he wants to be here is because his family is settled in the city. His son has his friends and school, his wife has her friends and career opportunities here that she might not have in other cities. I think melo genuinely looks up to Jordan and Kobe who had great success with Phil. Im sure he enjoys playing in front of sell out crowds and the celebrity scene that is in ny. Some of these reasons are probably why the lakers looked like a real possibility last summer.

    33. His butt is slightly smaller than Bynum’s however he is 2 years younger.

      If the rookies play well this team could go a long way!

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