Knicks Morning News (2015.04.20)

  • [New York Times] CP3, Griffin Lead Clippers Past Spurs 107-92 in Opener (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 06:41:28 GMT)

    Blake Griffin accelerated through the paint and threw down a vicious dunk right on Aron Baynes’ head in the third quarter. A few minutes later, Griffin did it again to the same poor San Antonio center.

  • [New York Times] It’s N.B.A. Playoff Time. Pay No Attention to Those Losing Records. (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 04:05:35 GMT)

    The Nets (38-44) and the Celtics (40-42) became the 11th and 12th under-.500 teams to make the N.B.A. playoffs in this century. The first 10 lost their first-round series.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Never Trail, Rout Trail Blazers 100-86 in Game 1 (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 03:59:30 GMT)

    Beno Udrih is doing his best to make sure the Memphis Grizzlies can ease Mike Conley and Tony Allen back into the lineup from their injuries.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Continue Domination of Blazers (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 03:59:03 GMT)

    The reserve guard Beno Udrih scored 20 points, and the Memphis Grizzlies never trailed in routing the Portland Trail Blazers.

  • [New York Times] Nets Drop Series Opener but Gain Sense of Hope (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:42:02 GMT)

    The Hawks led by as much as 16 points in the game, and though the Nets stayed stubbornly close until the end, they were unable to overcome Atlanta.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 113, Celtics 100: LeBron James and Cavaliers Smooth Out Kinks, Then Roll Past the Celtics (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:43:52 GMT)

    It was a slow start in a highly anticipated playoff opener for the Cavaliers, but Kyrie Irving scored 30 points to help Cleveland pull off a victory over Boston.

  • [New York Times] Korver Scores 21, Hawks Hold Off Pesky Nets 99-92 in Game 1 (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:33:32 GMT)

    Banged up and bruised, the Atlanta Hawks survived their first test as the top seed in the Eastern Conference.

  • [New York Times] Side Plots for Hawks as They Navigate Playoffs: Arrests and Injury (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:22:45 GMT)

    The Hawks are entering the N.B.A. playoffs without Thabo Sefolosha, who was injured during an incident at a Manhattan club in which he and Pero Antic, a teammate, were arrested.

  • [New York Times] ‘Big 3’ Lead Cavaliers Past Celtics 113-100 in Game 1 (Mon, 20 Apr 2015 00:00:20 GMT)

    More than hour after his first playoff game with LeBron James and Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving made a statement more profound than anything he did on the floor.

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    88 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.04.20)”

    1. Does anyone else watch these games and, just for a second, gasp in excitement that basketball can be played so well and so entertainingly? God, every game, was just a mess of deft passing and athletic talent.

      We are so, so far away from that.

      On another note, I’m all in for offering Draymond Green the max and his brother a contract. Holy wow.

    2. Does anyone else watch these games and, just for a second, gasp in excitement that basketball can be played so well and so entertainingly? God, every game, was just a mess of deft passing and athletic talent.

      I was literally about to post the exact same thing. That Spurs-Clippers game last night was a completely different sport from what I watched the Knicks do this year. As much as I hope the Knicks don’t mortgage the future this summer…I would really appreciate having a watchable team next year.

    3. Yeah, that game was so exciting. Blake , Deandre and CP3 were at peak powers. fun to watch

      Saw the highlights this morning. Baynes is gonna need PTSD therapy after getting facialed by Griffin at least 3 times in that game.

      (But the real key is Crawford, if he goes off the Clips rarely lose.)

    4. Am I the only person that’s NOT happy that Aldridge might be available this summer?

      Don’t get me wrong. I think he’s a terrific ballplayer in many ways. But do we really need another player throwing up long 2s and scoring all his points with below average efficiency. Aldridge could easily be a much better player if he had better shot selection, but he DOESN’T.

    5. Is it crazy to say Chris Paul is the best player in the game today? LeBron had an off year for his (and only his) standards. Durant was injured. Curry hasn’t been doing this nearly as long, same is true of Harden to an extent. It seems like Paul is the only player left who’s been year in and year out amazing for a decade.

    6. Am I the only person that’s NOT happy that Aldridge might be available this summer?

      Well in yesterday’s thread I advocated electric shock therapy for Phil Jackson every time he thinks about Aldridge, so no.

    7. definitely no Aldridge. Going to be 30 by the start of next season. Same high usage as Melo with worse efficiency. no likey.

      I think Monroe is not so bad, mostly because he’s still in his early 20s (will be 25 by start of next season) and he’s still a “mini-max”. I’d want no part of him as a full max. If we somehow come out of this offseason with Towns, Monroe, and Danny Green, I’d call that very good start. I’d rather have Towns, Draymond Green, and Danny Green but I sorta doubt that Draymond is going anywhere but back go GS.

    8. I do not love Monroe. I dislike LaMarcus Aldridge.

      I want at least one of the following: Marc Gasol, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond Green, Wesley Matthews, DeMarre Carrol, Jimmy Butler

      (Roy Hibbert at a low price is not a bad thing for this team)

    9. @11

      Captain I think you seem to be severely uneducated regarding our flexibility going forward. After next year, we own all of our own draft picks and the cap sky rocketing. Of course every team will have more flexibility going forward so what we do with our money will be critical. However, I believe they will likely include an amnesty in the new CBA if we do make a tragic mistake or have already made one with melo. Check out these numbers http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=416291

    10. Chris Paul is probably the #3 PG of the modern era, behind Magic and Stockton. He’s as close to the perfect PG as it gets. The crazy thing is that, like Stockton, he’s got the look of an inner-city YMCA adult league MVP, not a challenger to Magic Johnson’s GOAT crown.

    11. I much prefer a signing of corey joseph + khris middleton + dray if we can get him over any other combo of players. i like middleton over danny green though both would be good. Carroll is another option that i like but is an awkward fit given our stubbornness in refusing to play melo at the 4. Wesley Matthews im fine with if he comes relatively cheap. im really not that into monroe and i feel like theres so many buy low options or lower max players who could do way more than monroe that signing him is comparatively inefficient.

      Assuming dray isnt available id be fine with joseph + middleton + Millsap/Tristan thompson (if he’s cheapish). thats probably the most realistic set of players we can get with our 26 m if we play our cards right (it’s cutting it quite close though). but a starting 5 of joseph middleton melo millsap/Thompson and Towns doesn’t sound so bad.

    12. @Luke

      I think the issue is that “looking beyond your nose” only means criticizing Phil/Fisher/Melo in one way, many times. And that the almost knee-jerk “you’ve had this job for a year and what have you done for me” attitude is what most of us have had enough of over the years.

      Otherwise, yes, many mistakes have been made, and you are correct in saying the future may not be so great and we may not get the player we want. Either way, this is a Knicks fan website, so we tend to be a little invested and optimistic here.

    13. Chris Paul is probably the #3 PG of the modern era, behind Magic and Stockton. He’s as close to the perfect PG as it gets. The crazy thing is that, like Stockton, he’s got the look of an inner-city YMCA adult league MVP, not a challenger to Magic Johnson’s GOAT crown.

      haha great post.

    14. For those of you who are certain that the Knicks are going to screw things up and are certain that the Knicks are doomed to mediocrity (at best) for the foreseeable future — it is very easy to sit back and say, “They suck and they will always suck” but far harder to come up with a plan to improve the team. So, I’ll ask you — assuming that Melo does not get traded and that Fisher and Jackson don’t get fired in the next two years (I could be wrong, but I think that these are pretty safe assumptions, so the “Trade Melo, fire Fisher, fire Jackson” plan is probably not on the table), what do you recommend that they do in terms of acquiring people who are realistically available?

    15. @15 – Glew said “After next year, we own all of our own draft picks and the cap sky rocketing.”

      That’s not corrrect. Although it’s a big mess, here’s what I think the Knicks DON’T have:

      2015 – Houston gets the Knicks 2nd round pick
      2016 – Nuggets can swap 1st round pick. Blazers have 2nd round pick
      2017 – Rockets own 2nd round pick
      2018 – 76’rs can swap 2nd round picks
      2019 – Rockets own 2nd round pick

      The short answer is we have most of our 1st round picks but few 2nd round picks for the next 5 years.
      Knicks future Draft Choices

    16. No one is deluded here. No one is painting a rosy picture of our future.

      But what makes this “intelligent” conversation is not sitting back and state uncategorically that we must burn it all to the ground, but to think logically about what the options are and what we can do to make it a little better.

      I’d love to hear some ideas from you, for example.

    17. You could make a pretty good argument that Chris Paul should win the MVP this year. Not sure I would agree, but it would not be crazy talk.

    18. As far as Roy Hibbert, I want no part of him. He’s an offensive trainwreck. Yes, it would be awesome to have a defensive presence in the middle, but he’d just give it back on the other side of the ball, like seemingly every other player on the Knicks who is good at something.

    19. Yeah the pessimism bothers me a lot. I get that our situation is not great, but people act like you need top lottery picks and a boatload of cap space every year or else there is no hope for the future.

      Going into the playoffs in 2012-2013 when we were riding a 13 game win streak, I don’t think anyone thought that a championship wasn’t possible. We won 54 games, we beat The Heat 3 times and The Spurs 2 times in the regular season, split our series with OKC, etc.

      That team won 54 games with Jason Kidd being signed to a very low budget deal. Copeland was a vet minimum guy. Kurt Thomas, Rasheed, Pablo…all vet minimums or a little bit above. We were still basically punting all 20 million of Amare’s salary that year. Novak, Felton, JR…all very reasonable contracts we had. That team wasn’t a sure fire top contender but they were contenders. And we did that with Melo as the main guy, JR as the 6th man…and basically a bunch of smart role players.

      So don’t tell me it can’t be done with Melo because we won 54 games with him and even that team was flawed (Amare eating up a huge chunk of the contract, aging veterans, etc).

      So yes, I am optimistic and that doesn’t make me delusional or a Melo fan boy. I am very aware that its gonna take a lot to make us good. But its not impossible. A top 5 pick and close to 30 million in cap space is a great place to start. We found Pablo from nowhere and he was a big part of that 13 game win streak. Guys can be found for nothing or next to nothing.

    20. So, I’ll ask you — assuming that Melo does not get traded and that Fisher and Jackson don’t get fired in the next two years (I could be wrong, but I think that these are pretty safe assumptions, so the “Trade Melo, fire Fisher, fire Jackson” plan is probably not on the table), what do you recommend that they do in terms of acquiring people who are realistically available?

      Well I’d like to target multiple young players who are likely to be under valued by the market. Obviously hop on Butler, Leonard, or Draymond if they look available but more realistically looking at some combination of Cory Joseph, Ed Davis, Aminu, Asik, RoLo, Middleton, Danny Green, Demarre Carroll, etc. Get 2-3 of those guys and a good pick, and I’ll call it a successful offseason.

    21. @27 I hope so. What are you guys’ thoughts on Shved? I like him back at a reasonable price. Im guessing we dont have his bird rights.

    22. To follow up on Captain Luke’s suggestions, we should also get a bunch of really good basketball players.

      -DRed GM ’16

    23. I still don’t get the infatuation with losing Chandler as a mistake. He was not staying for a rebuild and his attitude directly showed that. (I know, once upon a time he said the right things while employed by the team.) You can argue that we should have received more in the trade, but nobody here was really boo hooing about it.

    24. Forgot about ed Davis and aminu both of whom I like more than Thompson at the price they’re likely going to be at

    25. Agreed.

      I think it’s a matter of smart GM-ing, and getting a few of the modern-era’s most important players, in order of importance to us:

      1a. A solid defending and distributing point guard
      1b. A solid defending and rebounding center
      2. Wing players who can defend and penetrate.
      3. 3&D players, we have absolutely no 3 point specialists, which is a must these days.

      I’m ok with keeping Galloway, Cole, and Shved. Melo, along with Calderon and Early, are likely staying. That’s a lot of wiggle room.

    26. @Luke-
      Anyone can assume you were going to say, “Well, I would replace Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher!”

      What next, though? What players would you target? Which current players do you keep? It’s really easy to say switch the GM, but real hard to say which GM you want, or what YOU would do as GM.

    27. Cory Joseph, Ed Davis, Aminu, Asik, RoLo, Middleton, Danny Green, Demarre Carroll, etc.

      Yes. Maybe except for Robin Lopez.

    28. Yea thats why i said you hate Phil, not as a person of course. But you couldnt even get past him to answer the question.

    29. @30 — I know that you have said many times that they should fire Jackson and Fisher, but if you assume that Fisher an Jackson aren’t going anywhere — because they probably aren’t — what would you do? Repeating the “fire the bums” mantra is not going to make it happen, even if it would be a great idea. Deal with the reality and come up with a Plan B.

    30. I believe they will likely include an amnesty in the new CBA if we do make a tragic mistake or have already made one with melo.

      Unfortunately, the Knicks have used their last two amnesty provisions to dig themselves into deeper debt and not for erasing their own mistakes. (The first amnesty provision was even called the Allan Houston Provision but they somehow managed to amnesty Jerome Williams with it instead. #knicksy).

      And given the fact that the 2nd amnesty provision should have been called the Amar’e provision and yet it was used on the expiring contract of Chauncy Billups (#knicksy), I think it’s safe to assume that of there is a 3rd amnesty granted to teams (the Carmelo Provision), that the Knicks will use it to waive 2015 signee Roy Hibbert.

    31. won 54 games, we beat The Heat 3 times and The Spurs 2 times in the regular season, split our series with OKC, etc. That team won 54 games

      Honestly, winning 54 games that year, in a hopelessly terrible conference, was a bad thing, not a good thing. It led people to think the team was just “a move away”. (And we were a move away, but it was a move away from the bottom, not the top).

    32. So, for now, I’ll limit myself to making a basic, substantial suggestion. Hope you understand my reasoning for doing things this way.

      I’m pretty sure we all understand.

    33. —Honestly, winning 54 games that year, in a hopelessly terrible conference, was a bad thing, not a good thing. It led people to think the team was just “a move away”. (And we were a move away, but it was a move away from the bottom, not the top).

      Have to disagree. We saw that the guard positions were in shambles besides good JR and the occasional Shumpert sighting. We relied on Kmart for big time mins and Kurt Thomas was a savior for a game. We knew that was an old team,but then we traded for Barfnani UGHHHHHHH!!!!!

    34. “I would start praying for a miracle”
      In that case, St. Jude is your man since, if memory serves me correctly, he is the patron saint of lost causes. Great. Problem solved.

    35. The eyes in my gut tell me certain posters should not be so quick to blather about the inability of others to handle objective assessments

    36. The reason we did not win the ring that year is that we couldn’t “get Hibbert out of the paint”.

      You are seriously the dude that came on the board saying that offering a max contract to Kawhi would be a terrible gamble because we might actually get stuck with him if the Spurs don’t match, and that he is definitely not max-contract material. Yet you had no idea what a max-contract for Kawhi Leonard even meant, economically, given his tenure in the league and the expected evolution of the cap over the life of his contract. It’s a shame that a poster who knows so little gets so much attention just by repeating a faux-heterodox opinion that Phil Jackson hasn’t been a good GM.

    37. Captain Luke’s analysis is like listening to right-wing bloggers in 2009 ranting about the country is doomed for as long as Obama is in office because Obama has shown himself to be hopelessly incompetent in his first year on the job, i.e., made decisions that you didn’t agree with and had a governing philosophy that you didn’t believe in. (“We have proof! The economy is tanking! Unemployment is the highest its been in decades! He was dumb to bail out the banks! He was dumb to bail out the automakers! ARRA is dumb! Obamacare is dumb! We’re ruined!!) So the only solution these windbags proposed for saving the country was to “impeach” Obama before it was too late.

      Similarly, Luke has definitively determined beyond all doubt that Jackson and Fisher are hopelessly incompetent and incapable of learning and adapting, and Melo is an overrated, dumb chucker in decline, and that the franchise is doomed so long as they are in the fold. Yet there is absolutely zero chance that any of these three are not here for at least next year, and it is highly likely that they are here for the next 2-3 at least.

      So Luke can continue to pat himself on the back and call himself a genius among idiots because his “proposals” have no chance of ever being tested, any more than the “impeach Obama” strategy ever had of being tested. He has looked at every Jax move in the darkest light possible, and dismissed any possibility that those moves can be followed up with ones that meet his lofty standards. Good luck trying to engage him in a dialogue re: well, since Jax, Fish and Melo aren’t going anywhere, what do you think is a good strategy for next year?

    38. “BTW, the only reason my posts get all the attention, vitriol and digital ink is that they have merit.”

      Your Honor, may I present Exhibit A…

    39. Easy, fellas. No need to start getting all sorts of Mortal Kombat on each other just because the dude repeats himself ad nauseum. Let’s just leave it at “Phil Jackson hasn’t been a good GM so far.” That’s reasonable, no?

    40. Jowles playing friendly moderator? Whelp, time to go put my underwear on my head because clearly everything I understand about the world just turned upside down.

      Also, I would like to, once again, express my frustration that Clippers/Spurs is on so late as to be unwatchable for me, but that’s ok because here on the East Coast I get to watch the Bucks/Bulls and Hawks/Nets.

      Maybe I should take a page out of Jowel’s book and move back out West where games start at a more reasonable hour.

    41. Nice try from a habitual liar. All I said is that it looks to me like Leonard might not be as good as some people think because the Spurs system places a very specific set of demands from him vs what other team would expect (much more), specially if the guy gets a max contract. I stand by that.

      Here was my characterization:

      You are seriously the dude that came on the board saying that offering a max contract to Kawhi would be a terrible gamble because we might actually get stuck with him if the Spurs don’t match, and that he is definitely not max-contract material.

      Here is what you said verbatim:

      Terrible gamble!

      What if the Spurs don’t bite (I’m pretty sure they would not match) and we are stuck with Leonard and a max contract? The guy is a very good system player for the Spurs, but he is definitely not max-contract material.

      http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-2015-02-21/

    42. Kawhi is a max contract player and if I had my druthers there would be an ignore function that would filter out posts with any combination of the keywords “Phil Jackson” ,”hopeless”, and “objective”

      #AlectoForMod2016

    43. What’s the over/under on how many cap’t luke posts would survive if all his ones about phil jackson or fisher were purged due to my state of the art ignore system?

      I think it’s like 9.5 but I think I take the under

    44. All those indie rock bands and independent bookstores are really mellowing Jowles out, man

    45. Ok Luke, let’s try this a different way. Assume Jim Dolan sells the team and the new owner decides that he needs a brilliant basketball mind to run the team, so he hires you. The only restriction he puts on you is that you can’t trade Melo for a year because his market value is depressed right now because of his injury and awful contract. So, specifically what players do you acquire this offseason and at what salary (so don’t say something dopey like I’d sign Kawhi Leonard for 5 million/year and don’t rely on generalities like “young cheap talent”) to make the Knicks a better team? By the way, just so this game isn’t a one way street, my proposal is draft Towns or Winslow and sign Danny Green, Robin Lopez and Demarre Carroll.

    46. Hard not to be amused by:

      Nice try from a habitual liar.

      -Captain Luke, 4/20/2015 5:51 pm

      I limit myself to expressing basketball perspectives, as opposed to a few like you who compensate their lack of understanding/vision with personal attacks.

      -Captain Luke, 4/20/2015 5:51 pm

    47. I rarely (as in never) post, but I read everyday. I’m with @27 100%, but I must admit maybe I’m a little bit delusional as Larry Brown would’ve said.

      I think I’ll be happy with something like:

      PG Good Calderon
      SG Carroll
      SF Anthony
      PF Towns
      C Monroe

      Or

      PG Rusell
      SG Carroll
      SF Anthony
      PF Monroe
      C RoLo

    48. Luke, johnno asked a very legitimate question that I think advanced the dialogue nicely and you responded by regurgitating the same shit you’ve been saying since you got here, albeit in a recycled fashion. If you’re genuinely curious as to why some people aren’t thrilled with your presence, this can serve as Exhibit A. You can be making the greatest point in the world and people will still grow tired of it if it’s all you ever contribute.

    49. evasive
      Syllabification: e·va·sive
      Pronunciation: /??v?siv/
      Definition of evasive in English:
      adjective
      1 Tending to avoid commitment or self-revelation, especially by responding only indirectly: she was evasive about her phone number

      1.1 Directed toward avoidance or escape: they decided to take evasive action

    50. Better to spend countless hours extolling the virtues of Cole Aldrich, NBA Center legend

      I never said anything about not Street Fighter II Turbo-ing your ass.

    51. What’s the over/under on how many cap’t luke posts would survive if all his ones about phil jackson or fisher were purged due to my state of the art ignore system?

      I think it’s like 9.5 but I think I take the under

      I’m comfortable with someone tallying the number of his posts devoted to the Phil Jackson evaluation conundrum.

      If his TJC% (True Jackson Criticism Percentage) is over 70%, I think he should be shadowbanned. But that’s just me: always-reasonable, never-hyperbolic C. Jowles.

    52. I didn’t get a good night sleep last night.

      I feel like crap.

      I had a miserable day at work.

      My elderly mother drove me insane all day (you young guys will understand this eventually).

      I got caught in terrible traffic on the way home.

      Basically, I couldn’t have had a much worse day today barring bad news on the health of my family and friends.

      Then I read some of Luke’s posts and laughed my ass off.

    53. evasive
      Syllabification: e·va·sive
      Pronunciation: /??v?siv/
      Definition of evasive in English:
      adjective
      1 Tending to avoid commitment or self-revelation, especially by responding only indirectly: she was evasive about her phone number

      1.1 Directed toward avoidance or escape: they decided to take evasive action

    54. Boy, I am so glad I get to watch Bucks/Bulls instead of Warriors/Pelicans.

      West coast>>>>>>>>East coast.

    55. Jared Dudley had a really nice bounce back year. He was better than anyone on the Knicks, at least.

    56. Oh, well we should offer him a max deal then. We’re getting another amnesty, I hear, so what could go wrong?

    57. This Bucks/Bulls series is gonna be a long one if I have to listen to the talking heads go on and on and on about “Is Rose back? I think Rose is back! Maybe? Rose! Back!”

    58. I still remember the debate about trading Shump for Dudley prior to the 2013 trade deadline.

    59. Sign asik or robin Lopez. Stay far away from Monroe, Aldridge, and cousins. My #1 guy would be green though I doubt we get him and would hate to have the $ tied up waiting for GSW to match. Don’t get Green, I would like millsap though 30 y/o And I think a 3 yr deal would be ideal. Corey Joseph would be a nice get at pg and hope that he could play with Calderon at times. Hopefully we draft Towns, okafor or Winslow in that order.

    60. Sign asik or robin Lopez. Stay far away from Monroe, Aldridge, and cousins. My #1 guy would be green though I doubt we get him and would hate to have the $ tied up waiting for GSW to match. Don’t get Green, I would like millsap though 30 y/o And I think a 3 yr deal would be ideal. Corey Joseph would be a nice get at pg and hope that he could play with Calderon at times. Hopefully we draft Towns, okafor or Winslow in that order.

      Who are you? Keep posting.

    61. Luke reminds me of the guy that loved Nate Robinson and hated Prigioni. He got actually banned. But when Jowles suggests a “shadow ban” it makes me say want to support Luke. It’s like the old trope “I hate what you say but I’d die fighting for your right to say it.” I’d hate to think that there’s some cabal of KBer’s deciding who’s cool enough to talk to. I hate that idea much more than this guy’s idiotic attempts at getting attention. (Which are apparently working).

      Seriously, just ignore it. There’s tons of good posts which deserve attention. I’m really enjoying people’s FA and and draft ideas. Seems that there are some plausible solutions which could make us better. Hey, we all lived through Layden, Isiah, Walsh/ Dolan / Grunwald. It doesn’t mean nothing good will ever happen. I agree I’d rather have Peter Holt but seriously if that’s where your head’s at why are you even fucking with this circus act organization? WE KNOW WE’RE FUKT. But we’re Knick fans. We have to play the hand we’ve been dealt (or fantasy play it). That means acknowledging that Phil is our GM and Carmelo plays for us. Some of us are cautiously optimistic. Not pie in the sky “nut hugger fanbois”, as Bob Neptune called me once. We just think contender status can be reached and are into to some creative postulating on realistic scenarios. I don’t mind being put in my place but leave the sneering, “I know better” attitude behind.

      I also love the playoff reaction. Yes, it was fun to watch CP3 and Blake at full tilt last night.

    62. Dude, I agree with him! I think Phil Jackson’s decision to sign Carmelo Anthony to that unimaginably stupid contract was the worst move of the offseason! And then his inability to control his coach over the course of three otherwise-insignificant game: deeply stupid. Unconscionably dumb. But the same thing over and over? At least ruruland treated his incorrectness with a little bit of style and a whole lot of fancy, inexplicable rhetoric.

      I was also being tongue-in-cheek about the shadowban. I even made up my own metric, much like Dean Oliver inventing TS%, which is a meaningless, made-up stat.

      And one last thing: Phil is not our GM. He is James Dolan’s GM, and he seems to have no idea what he’s doing. Once he re-signs Bargnani and signs any combination of Monroe, Cousins and Josh Smith, we’ll have confirmation. But I’m not going to come on here and belabor the point like I did when people used all sorts of back handsprings and light-up sparklers to suggest that Carmelo Anthony is a top-5 player in the NBA.

    63. I don’t think anyone wants to decide who’s cool enough to talk. I think it’s more along the lines of talking with someone that makes arguments that can’t be dis-proven because they’re based on things that didn’t or can’t happen then applied to today.

      Since we had a political metaphor to the left earlier, I’ll do one to the right. (I’m a libertarian for full disclosure) It’s like a democrat saying because we didn’t spend enough money on stimulus the economy hasn’t recovered well, but then say the economy recovered great because the stock market is up. No matter what you say if you’re in a discussion about the economy you’re wrong.

      You can’t have it both ways. You can either talk in fantasy land about future drafts, trades, etc.. Or deal with realty which is we have Melo, Phil, Fisher, and it ain’t changing. It’s the mixing fantasy with reality that doesn’t work well.

    64. Gary Johnson 2016: Because If He Were NBA Commissioner, the Draft Lottery Would Not Incentivize Tanking

    65. Wouldn’t the best way to end tanking be to take money away from teams that are in the lottery for more than 3 years in a row? A reverse luxury tax?

    66. Gotta think Phil wants nothing to do with Asik and his stone hands. It may sound crazy but if the Bulls get stomped next round by the cavs I could see them trying to find a home for Noah and Gibson and making a run at Marc gasol

    67. Ridiculous question-How many 1st rounders would you trade for Davis if you could trade them? I think I would easily do 6 but maybe more if he said he would stay on the Knicks forever

    68. It amazes me how N.O. doesn’t even try to get the ball to Davis when he is being guarded by Barnes

    69. PG Good Calderon
      SG Carroll
      SF Anthony
      PF Towns
      C Monroe

      I don’t hate that starting 5 suggestion. I know there has been a few knocks on Monroe, and to be honest I really have’t seen him play enough (because who wants to watch Detroit games these days?), but we could probably do worse. Maybe an Asik or a R. Lopez could be a good get instead of Monroe, if people are looking for more bang for their buck and a bit more defence. I think Calderon can still have some value. He had a rotten run with injuries this year, but he could still garner some value next season when healthy. If we are going to have young PG’s, I would also feel better having a vet at that position, albeit an expensive one.

    70. I don’t see how

      WE KNOW WE’RE FUKT.

      goes with…

      Some of us are cautiously optimistic.

      It sounds like something you’d hear on VEEP (which is an awesome show, by the way, for anyone not watching it), “We’re fucked, but we’re also cautiously optimistic!”

      I have no problem with hoping for the best with this team. I certainly am. It’s not like I’m not going to follow them whatever they do. But hoping things turn out well is a lot different than thinking they will turn out well. I’m all in on the former, but the odds are well against the latter.

      The Knicks have to get lucky in the lottery. Then Jackson has to make a home run draft pick. Then he has to hit home runs in free agency this year. Then he has to hit another home run in free agency next year. All that plus Melo has to not get any worse despite being on the wrong side of 30 and coming off of a major knee injury while playing a position that will wear on his knees a lot more than if he was being used as a spread 4 (which also happens to be the position where he has had his most success in his entire career “Hey, our highest paid player has had by far the two best seasons of his entire career while playing the 4. In fact, he’s played so well that we’re going to give him a mega-max extension. But what position should he play?” “Definitely not the 4!”). If all that happens, then they likely will be legitimate contenders in 2016-17 and 2017-18.

      Of course all of those things certainly could happen. It’s just pretty darn unlikely to happen, though. More likely is an improved team next year but not necessarily a playoff team (but in the East, they’ll have a shot). So let’s say 37-41 wins. Then 42-47 wins for the next couple of seasons until Melo’s deal expires and then they start over again with a different GM.

      But hell, they’ve been so bad for so many years that I can live with mediocrity until Melo’s deal is up. I actually welcome mediocrity. I’ve lived with shittiness for so long that mediocrity looks pretty good to me now. Being the Arenas/Jamison Wizards would be swell to me. Or the Woodson/Drew Hawks. Did you know that the Hawks haven’t missed the playoffs since the 2006-07 season? They never really had a chance of winning a title in neally all of those playoff runs, but darnit, at least they were playing in the playoffs! I miss playoff basketball.

    71. Brian, Fukt in reality and cautiously optimistic are what Knick fans are. It’s just sort of a fatalist take on the situation. How many teams win championships? Even the ones that do, don’t most years. It sucks to be a sports fan in a tiny but very important purely metaphorical way. That’s all I meant. Ultimately it’s going down in flames. Whether it’s Starks going 3-18 or us trading Ariza for Steve Francis.

      But just give me some small reason to believe and I’ll be cautiously optimistic.

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