Knicks Morning News (2015.04.02)

  • [New York Daily News] Lopez layup gives Nets win over Knicks and tie for 7th seed (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:01:14 GMT)

    The Nets found themselves in a dogfight against a bad team last night, a predicament that screamed of mismanagement from Lionel Hollins.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony shows face at Garden for Knicks vs. Nets (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 05:15:26 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony was at the Garden on Wednesday to rehab his surgically repaired knee, and he was spotted interacting with a few teammates.

  • [New York Post] One reason Carmelo won’t sit on bench during Knicks games (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:43:52 -0400)

    Carmelo Anthony has shown up at the Garden for the last three weeks to rehab before games in the trainer's room. He goes on the court briefly for light stretching…

  • [New York Post] Why Brook Lopez could be an answer for Phil Jackson, Knicks (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 01:48:07 -0400)

    Maybe Knicks president Phil Jackson can finally stir the Knicks-Nets rivalry pot this summer by convincing Brooklyn's raging-hot center Brook Lopez to swap boroughs. Amid a heated playoff push, the…

  • [New York Times] Paul Scores 41, Clippers Rally to Beat Blazers 126-122 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:12:15 GMT)

    Don’t mess with the Los Angeles Clippers. And certainly not Chris Paul.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Davis Scores 20 as Pelicans Rout Lakers 113-92 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 05:12:21 GMT)

    Anthony Davis scored 20 points and the New Orleans Pelicans inched closer to a possible playoff berth with a 113-92 rout of the Los Angeles Lakers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] At 38, Vince Carter Drifts to the 3-Point Line and Reinvents Himself (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:43:24 GMT)

    In his 17th N.B.A. season, Carter has adapted his game, replacing acrobatic dunks with mostly long-range jumpers in a reserve role for the playoff-bound Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Jazz Roll Nuggets 98-84 After Sluggish Start (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:03:23 GMT)

    Rudy Gobert scored a career-high 20 points, grabbed 12 rebounds and had two blocks as the Utah Jazz cruised past the Denver Nuggets 98-84 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden’s Career-High 51 Lead Rockets Over Kings 115-111 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:57:22 GMT)

    James Harden continues to strengthen his case for the MVP award, and is forging a place as one of the best players in Houston Rockets history in the process.

  • [New York Times] Mavs Beat Thunder 135-131 Despite Westbrook Triple-Double (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:57:20 GMT)

    Dallas coach Rick Carlisle has been in the NBA as a player or coach for most of the past 30 years.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Shabazz Napier Out for Season (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:51:04 GMT)

    The Miami Heat ruled the rookie guard Shabazz Napier out for the rest of the regular season after he had surgery to repair a sports hernia.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Mavericks Hold Off Thunder (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:43:30 GMT)

    Monta Ellis scored 26 points, and the visiting Dallas Mavericks withstood Russell Westbrook’s eighth triple-double since the All-Star break to beat the Oklahoma City Thunder.

  • [New York Times] Carter-Williams Leads Bucks to 95-91 Victory Over Bulls (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:09:56 GMT)

    Michael Carter-Williams had 21 points and 10 rebounds to lead the Milwaukee Bucks to a rare 95-91 victory at home over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Williams Helps Lead Raptors Past Timberwolves 113-99 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:04:11 GMT)

    Lou Williams scored 18 points to lead a balanced Toronto offense as the Raptors defeated the Minnesota Timberwolves 113-99 on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Nets 100, Knicks 98: Nets Keep Surging Toward Playoffs; Knicks Keep Sinking to Bottom (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:52:09 GMT)

    Brook Lopez followed up his own miss for the winning layup with two seconds remaining at Madison Square Garden, and the Nets (34-40) moved into a tie for seventh place in the Eastern Conference.

  • [New York Times] Nets Edge Knicks on Lopez’s Tip, Tie for 7th Place in East (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:27:38 GMT)

    Brook Lopez’s follow shot with 2 seconds left gave the Brooklyn Nets their fifth straight victory and a share of seventh place in the Eastern Conference, as they beat the New York Knicks 100-98 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Olynyk Overcomes Eye Injury, Leads Celts Past Pacers 100-87 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:22:51 GMT)

    Kelly Olynyk scored 19 points after nearly missing the game with an eye injury sustained hours before tip-off, and the Boston Celtics beat the Indiana Pacers 100-87 Wednesday night in a matchup of Eastern Conference playoff hopefuls.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Secure Playoff Berth With 103-91 Win Over Magic (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:09:22 GMT)

    The regular season may be winding down, but the San Antonio Spurs are continuing to play some of their best basketball of the season.

  • [New York Times] Gortat’s Double-Double Leads Wizards Past 76ers 106-93 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 01:57:16 GMT)

    Marcin Gortat scored 23 points and grabbed 14 rebounds, Bradley Beal added 20 points, and the Washington Wizards defeated the Philadelphia 76ers 106-93 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Marvin Williams Leads Hornets Past Pistons 102-78 (Thu, 02 Apr 2015 01:51:38 GMT)

    Marvin Williams scored 18 points and the Charlotte Hornets cruised to a 102-78 win over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.

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    72 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.04.02)”

    1. If the Knicks were to sign Lopez, and he were to break his foot — again — the first week of the season, there is a 100% chance that Berman would be the very first person to blast the Knicks for the signing, ridicule Jackson for his stupidity and call for his immediate firing — even before everyone on this site started doing it.

    2. Cousins had an amazing stat line last night, 24 points, 21 rebounds and 10 assists.

    3. Somebody (can’t remember who) posted like two weeks ago that they thought Cleveland was going to be in trouble in a 1st round series against the red hot Pacers, who are now almost completely out of it after losing 9 of their last 11. I post that not to mock, but simply to reflect on the utter craziness of this EC playoff race. I can’t believe that Nets team has a good chance to make the playoffs. They almost lost toe the Knicks for god’s sake! What an absurd conference.

    4. Not to nit-pick, but Cousins used 28 possessions and committed 5 turnovers, so that 24 points came with a little baggage. Harden scored 51 using 31 possessions with 7 turnovers.

      Cousins is a candidate (Westbrook too) for what I would like to coin as a term, the “cripple double,” a quadruple double with 10 turnovers…

    5. I noticed the inefficiency of the points, but I felt the assists made up for it. But it does seem that George Karl maybe wants to turn him into Carmelo Redux, in the sense that he wants a go to scorer instead of a fluid offense. But I haven’t actually seen any Sacramento games, so this is just an hypothesis based on Boogie’s statisitics.

      I know this board has mixed feelings about Cousin’s, but for the right price, I’d love to see him on the Knicks.

    6. @6

      From what I’ve seen under Karl they seem to be getting Cousins the ball a lot more at the elbows and top of the key than he was previously. I think he’s giving him more of a playmaking role than he was allowed under Malone and Corbin, but that may not be a good thing given his propensity for turning the ball over and launching mid-range jumpers. Even though a skilled passer Cousins gets into trouble when he fails to make simple plays.

      I’d prefer to see him on the block.

    7. “Cousins is a candidate (Westbrook too) for what I would like to coin as a term, the “cripple double,” a quadruple double with 10 turnovers…”
      Cousins also had 6 blocks and 3 steals last night, so arguably he almost reached double figures in turnovers caused too.

    8. @2 – Berman already has that article written. He also has an article written about how the Knicks failed if they don’t sign him. He also has an article criticizing them if they sign him, he doesn’t break a foot and he fails. He also has….

      @6 – Depending on the draft pick we get, I like Cousins too. I wouldn’t have said that a couple of years ago because of his failures at the free throw line, but he’s almost at 80% for this season (compared to 68% in his rookie season).

    9. Is Berman for real re: Lopez?

      Berman doesn’t know shit about basketball. He’s a gossip columnist.

    10. Chris Paul would be the opposite of the cripple double. Last night he had 41 points (13 of 21 from the field, 10 of 10 from the line) with 17 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals, and one turnover. One!

    11. Berman doesn’t know shit about basketball. He’s a gossip columnist.

      Yeah, he’s no Frank Isola.

      Pretty pathetic that we’re in one of the biggest media markets and in a city that loves hoops, and we have 2 morons like that as our “beat” writers.

    12. That Aldridge quote Berman cited was awfully weird, “I’m used to it. Put me in New York or Chicago and of course it would be a bigger deal made of it. I think guys who do well definitely get more hype than me at times, but I’m used to it.” Dude, you are not allowed to complain about people not making a bigger deal out of you playing through a small injury. That’s just tacky as shit.

      Anyhow, the Berman article wasn’t crazy, I don’t think. I mean, it included a bunch of his pissy shots at Jackson which are ridiculous since he was kissing Jackson’s ass all season until the switch was flipped/he was given new talking points, but beyond that, it’s pretty clear that Lopez will be an in-demand player this offseason. There’s a lot of money out there, ya know? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Knicks did go after him. I’d prefer they not do so, but it’s probably a real possibility.

    13. Cousins becomes only the second player ever to post a line of at least 20 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and five blocks in a regular season game. The other was Chris Webber in 1999.

    14. It’s awfully surprising to know that the Sacramento Kings, of all teams, have had both guys to do it. :)

      By the way, I’ve long been noting that there is no way that they’re going to trade Cousins this offseason, so it is not worth even working ourselves up over whether he is worth it, but it just occurred to me that the Karl signing makes it even less likely (and it was already very unlikely). You don’t sign George Karl if you plan on rebuilding with draft picks.

    15. @9

      No it definitely does not, but I’d prefer that he play closer to the rim because I think it reduces his tendencies to turn the ball over or to take stupid shots.

      @BC

      My theory is Allan Houston is the source.

    16. My theory is Allan Houston is the source.

      I think Mills makes more sense. He is allied with Houston and he just seems like a more immoral guy (and higher up in the organization, so more likely for Berman to take his cues from him). Don’t get me wrong, though, Allan Houston obviously is not on Team Phil, so it is certainly possible that it is Houston.

    17. I think Mills makes more sense. He is allied with Houston and he just seems like a more immoral guy (and higher up in the organization, so more likely for Berman to take his cues from him). Don’t get me wrong, though, Allan Houston obviously is not on Team Phil, so it is certainly possible that it is Houston.

      Possible, but I was thinking with that whole dramatic sage over the D-League team, that actually produced an NBA player this year, and the eventual firing of Whitted and hiring of Hodges that Houston being closest and most directly impacted would be the likely candidate to have a score to settle.

      Personally I think Phil’s testing the water and trying to figure out the source. Whoever it is doesn’t seem that close to the situation which is why I ruled out Mills, but it’s possible Phil doesn’t tell him anything and that’s why he’s lashing out.

    18. Not to nit-pick, but Cousins used 28 possessions and committed 5 turnovers, so that 24 points came with a little baggage. Harden scored 51 using 31 possessions with 7 turnovers.

      It’s not nit-picking because it’s important. Cousins did a lot of stuff on the floor last night, but he helped his team far less than “triple-double” suggests.

    19. Evan Turner messed around last night and got a triple double that included 13 points on 17 shots

    20. but he helped his team far less than “triple-double” suggests.

      I dont think thats a fair assesment. He had an off shooting night, but he definitely helped his team a great deal. That game was the definition of doing more than scoring.

    21. Possible, but I was thinking with that whole dramatic sage over the D-League team, that actually produced an NBA player this year, and the eventual firing of Whitted and hiring of Hodges that Houston being closest and most directly impacted would be the likely candidate to have a score to settle.

      Personally I think Phil’s testing the water and trying to figure out the source. Whoever it is doesn’t seem that close to the situation which is why I ruled out Mills, but it’s possible Phil doesn’t tell him anything and that’s why he’s lashing out.

      Oh, the D-League stuff definitely plays into it, but like I said, I think Mills is so closely allied with Houston that something bad for Houston is also bad for Mills. But yes, I’ll admit that a big chunk of my doubts about it being Houston is that he just seems like a nicer guy than Mills (Mills, after all, was pretty much the main culprit in covering up the sexual harassment Anucha Browne-Sanders reported to MSG) and using Berman to smear Jackson is pretty slimy behavior.

    22. “Chris Paul would be the opposite of the cripple double. Last night he had 41 points (13 of 21 from the field, 10 of 10 from the line) with 17 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals, and one turnover. One!”

      That’s the game of the year for me I think….

      Probably Westbrook has had a better night but it’s hard….

      I don’t want to knock Cousins, I just don’t want him on the Knick, it’s a classic bad idea. But I have to admit, I can paint the scenario in my mind where he ends up being a true first-team All NBA guy. It’s unlikely but he’s shown enough to imagine him making the leap.

    23. You know what, I take that back. Cousins has not shown enough. I could imagine him being significantly better but I don’t ever see him being a top tier talent.

      I would love for someone to explain why Greg Monroe’s numbers are all over the place in his career. I expect that’s a question we will be talking about a ton in July….

    24. If the Knicks pursued Demarcus Cousins it would pretty much be the ultimate indicator that the past 15 years have taught them nothing. Greg Monroe is a much more interesting case seeing as how he had two mediocre years sandwiched between three good ones, which is weird.

    25. “Chris Paul would be the opposite of the cripple double. Last night he had 41 points (13 of 21 from the field, 10 of 10 from the line) with 17 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals, and one turnover. One!”

      That’s the game of the year for me I think….

      The worst thing for me is that there were $100 tickets on Stubhub, 3rd row in the lower corner for that game last night. Lady Jowles and I live about 3 miles south of the Moda Center and we debated going for about an hour before deciding that we’d rather stay in and watch Game of Thrones.

      I’m an idiot and I don’t even like basketball if that’s the kind of garbage decision I’m going to make.

    26. If the Knicks pursued Demarcus Cousins it would pretty much be the ultimate indicator that the past 15 years have taught them nothing.

      Well that depends on the package. If you could get Boogie on a good deal i dont know why you would scoff at that.

    27. I think the notion is you don’t want to build around “volume scorers” particularly those with alleged attitude issues at any price.

    28. That’s right Nick, volume scorer with potential character issues. It never ends well for the Knicks.

    29. That’s right Nick, volume scorer with potential character issues. It never ends well for the Knicks.

      Ill take a guy who puts up 39 and 20 against Anthony Davis and Asik. Thanks.

    30. Ill take a guy who puts up 39 and 20 against Anthony Davis and Asik. Thanks.

      He also has played a lot of other games, though, so you have to look at that.

    31. The next time somebody says “potential character issues” about a basketball player who literally has no history of off the court mischief since he was maybe 16, I’m just going to assume you feel that way because he’s a big black guy with an “attitude.”

      DeMarcus Cousins is a good basketball player and I’d want him on the Knicks if it was a good deal. If I were the Knicks and I ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft? I’d probably value a 25 year old DeMarcus Cousins more than any other player in the draft and trade the pick to the Kings, especially since Melo and Cousins could do a decent job of luring another player to make the Knicks competitive again than Melo could by himself.

    32. The next time somebody says “potential character issues” about a basketball player who literally has no history of off the court mischief since he was maybe 16, I’m just going to assume you feel that way because he’s a big black guy with an “attitude.”

      My comment had nothing to do with any perceived character issues and everything to do with his body of work on the basketball court to this point. He’s been a tremendous rebounder and good passer, but mediocre efficiency scorer and turnover machine. He could certainly improve, but I’d rather take my chances with a top-3 pick. He also hasn’t been the most durable guy in the world.

    33. A mediocre efficiency scorer who, for his age 22-24 seasons, has had about the same TS% as Tim Duncan did at that age, and a turnover machine whose turnover % has been only slightly higher than Duncan at the same age. And Cousins has done it at a higher usage rate than Duncan at a comparable age (and without the benefit of playing next to the Admiral). Cousins has also had a better assist and rebounding rate than Duncan at the same age. Now, he is not Tim Duncan, but a lot of you are understating just how good he is.

    34. A mediocre efficiency scorer who, for his age 22-24 seasons, has had about the same TS% as Tim Duncan did at that age, and a turnover machine whose turnover % has been only slightly higher than Duncan at the same age. And Cousins has done it at a higher usage rate than Duncan at a comparable age (and without the benefit of playing next to the Admiral). Cousins has also had a better assist and rebounding rate than Duncan at the same age. Now, he is not Tim Duncan, but a lot of you are understating just how good he is.

      Over that same completely arbitrary time period, Duncan’s WS48 (flawed stat, but one that should be generous to someone like Cousins) was .210 and Cousins’ was .136. Defense is a thing too, and the turnover% difference was 2.5%. Much bigger than you make it out to be. I’m also not sure what you perceive the “benefit of playing next to the Admiral” to be, wouldn’t that decrease Duncan’s rebounds, if anything?

    35. Cousins gets lots of defensive rebounds and scores a lot of points. That’s about it.

    36. Cousins gets lots of defensive rebounds and scores a lot of points. That’s about it.

      Boy that sure does sound familiar…why stop at one Carmelo Anthony when you can have two right?

    37. Cousins’ defense is pretty darn good for the most part these days. He’s still prone to embarrassing lapses which have hurt his reputation but his defensive numbers are pretty good. He’s not Duncan obviously, but he has been on awful teams, with seriously unstable coaching situations and if he can cut back on the turnovers (and that is a significant if) he could take a huge leap forward. I certainly wouldn’t bet the #1 pick on him stopping the turnovers, but he is a very good, very young player with an obvious route to become even better. There really aren’t many guys like that.

    38. Boy that sure does sound familiar…why stop at one Carmelo Anthony when you can have two right?

      It’d beat the hell out of having two Bargses. (This does not constitute an endorsement of Cousins).

    39. Cousins gets lots of defensive rebounds and scores a lot of points. That’s about it.

      Nope. Cousins is a good defender and the Kings fall apart on defense when he is off the floor. Complete list of NBA players who have played at least 1500 minutes this year averaging at least 1.5 blks and 1.5 stls per 36.

      Demarcus Cousins
      Nerlens Noel

      Last year the list was empty because Cousins was at 1.4 blks. The year before it was empty, too.

    40. Pretty funny that we spend hours debating whether Cousins is worth a draft pick when the Kings have given no signals that they’re even considering trading him.

    41. Incidentally Noel is over 2 blks & 2stls / 36, which has only been done by six other guys, including Hakeem four times. The media is going to turn into Hinkie groupies faster than Berman turned on Phil.

    42. @38 — the time period isn’t the slightest bit arbitrary. It represents the last three years, including this year, which is the most relevant period when discussing Cousins. And if 2-1/2% is a lot, Cousins’s rebound and assist rate are much more than 2-1/2% better than Duncan’s at the same age. And Jowles, he’s not just a good defensive rebounder, he’s one of the very best in the league. And his offensive rebound rate, which you often tout as being extremely important, is better than Duncan’s was at the same age.

    43. Crazy longshot odds I would probably take sight unseen if a reputable house made a market on it right now: Sixers having more wins than the Hawks next season. Seems like it makes sense for Philly to start to spend this summer. Much harder to tank in the east with Embiid, Noel and the 2015 pick. Hawks have Millsap and Carroll as free agents. Shooting ages well but Korver just turned 34. Horford seems to have +avg injury risk. Obv they could resign their FAs or find good replacements, but that’s why they’re called crazy longshots.

    44. I remember when defensive rebounds were overvalued by WP48 and therefore Chandler was overrated, but now that a volume scorer has a good DRB% rate, they’re super-important.

      Also, on/off defensive numbers don’t mean anything. I’m not saying Cousins is a dud, but he’s exactly the kind of player the Knicks have habitually lost because of.

    45. Jax should can Steve Mills, and probably will. So that’s something to look forward to.

    46. Cousins gets lots of defensive rebounds and scores a lot of points. That’s about it.

      Wow. We are a cynical bunch. This might as well say boogie just robs liquor stores and slaps random kids, that’s about it.

    47. I know this is a stats blog but lets look at a few variables. Let’s say we swapped kawhi and boogie and get splitter out of the picture. Boogie would have been in a great situation to utilize all of his plusses and learn to slim down on the negatives. If you could get him in a great environment the sky is the limit.

    48. Pretty funny that we spend hours debating whether Cousins is worth a draft pick when the Kings have given no signals that they’re even considering trading him.

      Yes, there is no way he is being dealt this offseason. No way. I mean, whatever, the rhetorical exercise is fine, I’m not knocking it. He just isn’t available at all.

    49. And if 2-1/2% is a lot, Cousins’s rebound and assist rate are much more than 2-1/2% better than Duncan’s at the same age.

      But a 2.5% disadvantage in turnover rate is weighted more heavily against you than a 2.5% advantage in assist % or trb %. If you put any stock in the four factors or how they’re commonly weighted turnovers are the second most important stat line in basketball, which makes intuitive sense, at least to me. Also I think Duncan’s early TRB% was subject to a shadowing effect due to The Admiral in a way that Cousins’ turnover % isn’t. Turnovers are one of the main reasons Cousins is a demonstrably worse player than Duncan at the same age–the other reason is that one player is one of the greatest defensive forwards of all time, and the other is DeMarcus Cousins who is average to slightly above average on defense. They’re not really comparable.

      Cousins is a good player with solid upside but a trade would be inane; people are saying it’d be a good trade if we got him on “a good deal” but as it stands Cousins is perceived as an extremely valuable player around the league and would cost more than our lottery pick, which he isn’t even worth. There’s no “good deal” that would materialize out of thin air.

    50. Cousins is perceived as an extremely valuable player around the league and would cost more than our lottery pick, which he isn’t even worth.

      What is the basis of this statement? Any pick after the top three is a crapshoot. Even those are some what that. Take a look at some of the top 5 picks in the past 10 years.

    51. I’m just saying that best case scenario is Cousins for our pick, straight up. That would be a terrible win now maneuver because what this franchise needs is a bona fide franchise player–Cousins, at this point in his career, is a relatively known quantity and while he has some potential for improvement (especially in turnovers), I doubt he’s going to become an Ewing-level or above franchise player, which is, again what we need if we have any hope to win a championship or even be in the upper echelon of relevance for the next few years. I’d rather take my chances on Towns or the other members of the top 4 instead of a win-now trade for Cousins that is merely going to make us an 8 seed for 5 years all other things being equal.

      Cousins and sacto’s pick would be nice but it’s not happening and again I’m still taking our pick instead. We need massive luck, franchise changing luck, and while it’s a safer dice roll to expect Cousins to be quite solid and even show some improvement in the coming years, it’s not a good or strategic dice roll to expect that his improvement will be so much as to render him an Ewing level player unless he makes some unlikely improvements to his game. It’s a moderate risk-moderate reward play, and we need high-risk, high-reward, given our propensity for destroying rebuilds by trading away picks. The draft prospects have their flaws but are better candidates for the kind of massive luck than Demarcus Cousins–especially Towns, who is as complete a player since AD, not that he’s close to AD, because he isn’t.

    52. Furthermore, I think there are good front office reasons for Jackson to not force a draft pick trade: he came to the Knicks to not only improve their record but to change their culture–to trade the most important draft pick since Ewing in a draft day trade in an effort to win now would undermine his entire project and put the philosophical foundations of his tenure as GM(which I would guess he intends to pass on to a protege GM after his 5 year contract is up, with Dolan’s possible blessing) in jeopardy.

    53. What is the basis of this statement? Any pick after the top three is a crapshoot. Even those are some what that. Take a look at some of the top 5 picks in the past 10 years.

      Opportunity cost, opportunity cost, opportunity cost.

      If you hit a home run in the draft, you get many cost-controlled years of a good young player. If you’re picking in the top 5, that is obviously your best chance at acquiring a franchise player at something under market value. If the player you drafted becomes a star player in year two or three of his contract, that is something you can build a winning team on. If you trade for Boogie Cousins, you get him for three years, approximately $47M. That’s pretty good but not great value. Maybe you get Karl-Anthony Towns in the draft, and he’s a comparable player to Cousins in year two of his rookie deal, on a rookie contract. Then you use the money you would have burned on Boogie to fill other holes. Opportunity cost.

      This is exactly the kind of move the Knicks have been making for years– Eddy Curry for draft picks that became Joakim Noah and Lamarcus Aldridge. Andrea Bargnani for an unprotected 2016 pick. Antonio McDyess for Marcus Camby and a draft pick that became Nene. Enough is enough already.

    54. Also JK47s post about cost controlled rookie contracts is important to note as well. It’s just trying to play the odds to extract maximum value out of our cap space, which we can only do if we get lucky in the draft. Safe bets on players like Cousins aren’t going to cut it to bring this franchise back to long-term relevance.

    55. Boston could trade for Cousins-they have lots of assets, and if Boogie doesn’t improve, well, they still have other young players. We have one bite at the apple. Either we get a really good, cheap player in this draft or we are basically fucked for the next 2-3 years (at best).

    56. I think the operative concept here is the win curve. (Ht Fangraphs). You might make a move like that if you felt it put you over the top, as Cleveland did. You don’t do it if It moves you from 9th to 7th in the EC.

      Also, again, Melo and Cousins are a match made in hell.

      Finally, I don’t think Cousins is a criminal. I was alluding to the fact he has been dogged for years by rumors of uncoschability and prima donna behavior. That’s not the kind of thing that improves when you leave Sacramento for the Big Apple.

    57. Boston could trade for Cousins-they have lots of assets, and if Boogie doesn’t improve, well, they still have other young players. We have one bite at the apple. Either we get a really good, cheap player in this draft or we are basically fucked for the next 2-3 years (at best).

      Would you trade the No. 1 pick for Embiid and Philly’s first from Miami this year? It’s top-10 protected for this year and next and unprotected in 2017.

    58. Would you trade the No. 1 pick for Embiid and Philly’s first from Miami this year? It’s top-10 protected for this year and next and unprotected in 2017.

      Only if I could put Embiid through a physical and workout beforehand–there were rumors floating about that he was way out of shape and not coming along in his rehab process a few months ago; i dont know how much truth there was to them but it was a red flag.

      Im not sure who is the better prospect between Embiid and Towns, it’s a bit of a wash and I didn’t watch much college ball last year so I don’t have much in the way of eye test impressions. I think I would take Towns if only for his lack of injury issues so far.

    59. One thing that is kind of annoying about the Triangle is that Billy Donovan is apparently considering going to the pros, and I think he’d be an excellent NBA coach. He’ll likely be one of the hottest coaching prospects in years (although Kerr obviously was very hot, as well). But since he’s not a Triangle guy, it’s a moot point.

    60. When Harrison Barnes scores the game-winning bucket, that’s just plain ol’ unfair.

    61. I know what Jackson meant and I do agree with him, but really, dude, the only example you could think of offhand for the kind of player you’re looking for is the guy that you specifically traded away?

      “Gotta have a defender…That’s a good starting point — a guy like Tyson Chandler is the defensive backup that we have to have. In this day and age in our game, there are so many screen and rolls, so many 3-point shooters, so many things that a player of size has to (do). Not only cover the paint and protect the basket but he has to be able to step out defensively and play a guard. And do some defensive work on the extreme part of the floor so it’s very important that that player have defensive capabilities.”

    62. Yeah, Billy D would be an awesome get but I hope he stays. I do think Donavan would/could implement triangle principles. Some of his offenses had triangle like principles. He seems to have the ability to morph his offenses around his players. He can go heavy PnR, motion, heavy post, high low, 4 and 1, PG dominate, or use point forwards, 3 guards, traditional, stretch 4s, and etc. As a UF fan, I have seen him run a lot of things.

      I think OKC and Orlando are more likely destinations though. Orlando is a fairly young bunch and he probably recruited and coached(USAu17) some of those players.

    63. embiid would only get offered if there was something wrong with him… the sixers spent a year with him… they have the most information about him… if it wasn’t for the injury he was the best prospect since duncan… that’s the sort of deal that, if it ever got constituted, you could never win….

    64. Yeah, I didn’t like his Tyson trade excuse at the Town Hall meeting either.

      It is what It is hopefully he learns from his first year. They did make it seem like they have a plan going forward for the draft and FA.

    65. is it just me or did Phil imply that he wants Willie Cauley-Stein?
      WCS’s best comp at this point is probably Tyson IMO.
      Towns is a good defender i guess, but I don’t see him out on the perimeter guarding PGs at all.

    66. is it just me or did Phil imply that he wants Willie Cauley-Stein?

      I think he implied that Cauley-Stein would be the pick if they weren’t picking #1 or #2. I think he’s still going Okafor #1/Towns #2, but since they can fall as low as #4, Cauley-Stein is still in play.

    67. If the Knicks come away with Cauley-Stein, I am going to be almost as happy as if they come away with Towns. I might even go as far as to say if they get the second pick and can trade it, still land Cauley-Stein, and get another asset they should probably do it!

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