Knicks Morning News (2015.03.18)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks rally to top Spurs in overtime, 104-100 (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 05:01:03 GMT)

    This is the month for upsets and we now have our first improbable victory of March.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks could bring enigmatic Andrea Bargnani back (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 04:40:22 GMT)

    Andrea Bargnani didn’t just become an enigmatic, aloof 7-footer when he arrived in New York last year.

  • [New York Times] Becky Hammon Returns to Garden as Spurs Assistant Coach (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 07:43:48 GMT)

    Becky Hammon kept her eye on the stats, looked for player tendencies and gave instructions to the San Antonio Spurs from the bench during the game against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Redick, Clippers Take 22-Point Lead, Hold Off Hornets (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 06:27:36 GMT)

    J.J. Redick scored 23 points, Chris Paul had 20 points and eight assists, and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Charlotte Hornets 99-92 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Pelicans Edge Bucks to Move Back Into Playoff Spot (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 04:02:48 GMT)

    Anthony Davis had 20 points and 12 rebounds for New Orleans, and Ersan Ilyasova’s 3-point attempt at the final horn rattled off the inside of the rim twice.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Surprise Spurs With 104-100 Victory in OT (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 03:43:10 GMT)

    The poor passing and sloppy shooting in overtime hurt, though the effort was more disappointing than the execution to Spurs coach Gregg Popovich.

  • [New York Times] Good Basketball Elsewhere Holds Lessons for Knicks (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 03:12:41 GMT)

    A common thread ran through a reporter’s 29,000-mile journey to find quality play across the globe: teamwork and selflessness.

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Edge Bucks to Move Back Into Playoff Spot (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 03:10:15 GMT)

    Anthony Davis had 20 points and 12 rebounds for New Orleans, and Ersan Ilyasova’s 3-point attempt at the final horn rattled off the inside of the rim twice.

  • [New York Times] Motiejunas Scores 23 to Lead Rockets Over Magic 107-94 (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 02:46:11 GMT)

    Donatas Motiejunas scored 23 points and the Houston Rockets used a big run late in the fourth quarter to break open a close game and get a 107-94 win over the Orlando Magic on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Jackson Has 23 Points, 20 Assists, Leads Pistons to Win (Wed, 18 Mar 2015 02:43:14 GMT)

    Reggie Jackson had 23 points and a career-high 20 assists as the Detroit Pistons ended a 10-game skid with a 105-95 comeback victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Tuesday night.

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    95 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.18)”

    1. anyone possibly have access to make a gif of galloway grabbing the rebound away from splitter, last night…??? i can’t get to the footage…

    2. Splitter is a backup. I looked in his eyes-something you can’t do to a spreadsheet- when Galloway snatched that board from him, and I could see that in his gut (in which the fires of a champion do not burn) that he didn’t care about that rebound.

    3. Have to say that while I know it was in many ways a horrible win last night, I really enjoyed that. My personal favorite part: Jason Smith being the defensive end of offense/defense subs late. You can’t make this stuff up.

    4. My personal favorite part: Jason Smith being the defensive end of offense/defense subs late. You can’t make this stuff up.

      That blew my mind. Also, Pop really fucked up by not employing the time honored Hack-A-Mundson strategy down the stretch, but you won’t see him getting called out for it by the lamestream media.

    5. Have to say that while I know it was in many ways a horrible win last night, I really enjoyed that. My personal favorite part: Jason Smith being the defensive end of offense/defense subs late. You can’t make this stuff up.

      I loved this too and idk if you noticed but he came on at one point when Bargs and Amundson were the bigs and Lou ran to the bench. In my head I was thinking wow Fisher going for the strong tank here, but then Jah realized he messed up, Lou came back on and Bargs sat on the bench.

    6. I loved this too and idk if you noticed but he came on at one point when Bargs and Amundson were the bigs and Lou ran to the bench. In my head I was thinking wow Fisher going for the strong tank here, but then Jah realized he messed up, Lou came back on and Bargs sat on the bench.

      Yup. One of the fun ongoing sagas of the season for me is trying to figure out whether Fisher is trying to tank. At one point last night I caught myself wondering whether Fisher had kept Shved out for so long as a tanking strategy, and then started laughing. When you hit the point where not playing Alexey Shved enough 4th quarter minutes could be construed as intentional sabotage you have certainly arrived at a surreal point in your season.

    7. It is pretty remarkable what Shved did last night considering he was being guarded by Leonard and beating him off the dribble for most of the night.

    8. “how Galloway is an elite defender (remember Shumpert?)”
      I think that the Galloway – Shumpert comparison is interesting. If you compare Galloway’s offensive numbers to Shumpert’s career numbers, they are remarkably similar across the board. On a per 36 basis, Galloway is slightly better in almost every category — with slightly being the operative word — but they are both good at the same things (e.g., rebounding, not turning the ball over), and not very good at the same things (assists, getting to the foul line). They both occasionally do something really impressive (like put-back dunks, or the aforementioned ripping a rebound away from Splitter). Defensively, relying only on the eye test, I think that rookie Shumpert was a better on-ball defender than Galloway, but whether it’s due to his knee issues or declining effort, I don’t think that Shumpert was the same defender the last couple years as he was in his rookie year. So, based on small sample size, overall, I think that 2015 Galloway is a slightly better player than 2015 Shumpert, but Shumpert has a size advantage. Thoughts?
      P.S. I agree with the Shved comment about last night.

    9. Re: Shump and Galloway – Shump is probably a more versatile defender (ie. can guard PG/SG/SF credibly) but IMHO Galloway is the better defender against PG/SG. He gambles less (which counts for a lot) and definitely gets over screens better. He fouls way less than Shump did. Shump also seemed to get lost a lot more on D, leaving open 3 point shooter.

      And FWIW – Galloway’s sportvu defense dashboard #s are way better than Shump’s.

      Iso defense I definitely take Shump. Team/overall defense I like Galloway.

      It is amazing how similar they are statistically though. Galloway’s TO rate is much less.

      http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/advanced?PlayerID=202697&VsPlayerID=204038&range=2014&range=2014

    10. I think that the Galloway – Shumpert comparison is interesting. If you compare Galloway’s offensive numbers to Shumpert’s career numbers, they are remarkably similar across the board. On a per 36 basis, Galloway is slightly better in almost every category — with slightly being the operative word — but they are both good at the same things (e.g., rebounding, not turning the ball over), and not very good at the same things (assists, getting to the foul line). They both occasionally do something really impressive (like put-back dunks, or the aforementioned ripping a rebound away from Splitter). Defensively, relying only on the eye test, I think that rookie Shumpert was a better on-ball defender than Galloway, but whether it’s due to his knee issues or declining effort, I don’t think that Shumpert was the same defender the last couple years as he was in his rookie year. So, based on small sample size, overall, I think that 2015 Galloway is a slightly better player than 2015 Shumpert, but Shumpert has a size advantage. Thoughts?

      The big statistical defense between Langston and Iman is that Langston was an efficient scorer in college who shot well from 3. Galloway’s TS was around 58% for his college career, and he shot the 3 in the low 40s. Shump’s high TS was 52%, and he was a bad 3 point shooter. Perhaps not shockingly, he’s been a pretty poor offensive player in the NBA. If Langston can improve his 3 point shooting, a bit, keep playing defense, keep rebounding and avoid turnovers, then you’ve got yourself a real nice player.

    11. Galloway is a mediocre-to-bad player in a terrible team. He looks half-decent by comparison to his team mates only.

      All of his defensive metrics are outstanding and unlike Shumpert he doesn’t die on screends, cheat off his man for no reason and give up wide open corner 3’s on every possession.

      I don’t think Galloway is a starter, but the guy is a lot more than a bad player on a terrible team and so far has demonstrated a knack for making big plays while showing more mental fortitude than Shump ever did.

      Also I know that you weren’t directly comparing him to Shump but others were. Personally I’d rather have Galloway right now without thinking twice.

      In regards to Shump’s size advantage it makes him more capable of defending multiple positions, but Galloway’s length and ability to fight over screens make him a far better defender of both PG’s and SG’s.

    12. Let us try to keep this all on topic about a discussion about the Knicks, and not about, well, you know, not about the Knicks. I appreciate the various calls to my defense at what some of you perceived to be an attack on me, but really, it is best not to get sucked into this stuff period. And it is certainly best not to get into a debate over what or who is allowed to post here. So don’t do that (and that includes replying to this post – don’t do that, either, just keep on with the on-topic debate).

    13. I don’t think Galloway is a starter, but the guy is a lot more than a bad player on a terrible team and so far has demonstrated a knack for making big plays while showing more mental fortitude than Shump ever did.

      Could Galloway be a productive starter on a good team right now? I think maybe. He can shoot the 3 well enough, he defends well, and he doesn’t turn it over. His game inside the 3 point line is no good right now, but you could argue that on a good team they’d just tell him to D up, pass the ball if you’re not open, and shoot 3s when you are, and he’d be good in that role.

    14. If Andre Robertson can be a starter for a presumed contender, Galloway can also be that.

    15. Could Galloway be a productive starter on a good team right now? I think maybe. He can shoot the 3 well enough, he defends well, and he doesn’t turn it over. His game inside the 3 point line is no good right now, but you could argue that on a good team they’d just tell him to D up, pass the ball if you’re not open, and shoot 3s when you are, and he’d be good in that role.

      Definitely possible, but I think on a good team he’d be better suited to coming off the bench. That being said I think he’s very capable of being a starter on a playoff team. One thing is he doesn’t seem overwhelmed remotely by the speed of the game or being matched up against elite PG’s and that’s a great sign for an undrafted rookie.

    16. galloway is literally doing what fisher did with the lakers… only if you replaced shaq and kobe with jason smith and tim hardway jr…

    17. I think a reasonable ceiling for Galloway is George Hill. He’s also a point guard in name only as he has to defer playmaking responsibilities elsewhere, but he’s a very good rebounder, doesn’t turn the ball over, shoots threes very well, and plays good defense. The big difference right now is Hill is at least competent at the rim whereas Galloway is not, but Langston has been good and looks like he could improve.

    18. Hey, we got a player in Zach Lowe’s like/don’t like bit:

      10. Alexey Shved’s Defense

      Shved’s been piling up stats across the box score, filling minutes for the league’s most miserable watch — but if he keeps blatantly mailing in defense, he’ll remain on the edge of NBA extinction. Shved treats every perimeter player like a total nonshooter, giving them a laughable amount of air space in which to drive. And when those players do drive, Shved just backs up with them, maintaining the same distance. He’s allergic to contact.

    19. So is it realistic to retain shved under mini mid level or somethin

      Their only exception will be the room exception, which is $2.5 million. So they can pay Shved out of that, if they want to get him over the minimum. Otherwise, anything they give him would come directly out of their cap room and I suspect that Jackson will not be interested in that.

    20. I can’t see NBA teams lining up to pay a guard who can’t shoot or play defense on the worst team (fingers crossed) in the NBA. Shved, if he wants to go to Europe, will be able to get more than the NBA minimum. So it comes down to what we think Shved is as a player and how much he wants to stay in the NBA

    21. I think he will have his options out there for a minimum deal. But yes, I agree that it will likely come down to whether he wants to stay here for the minimum or go to Europe

    22. I have been enjoying the Shved experience as much as the next guy but I wouldn’t really consider giving him more than the minimum. His ability to get to the rim is definitely nice, but he has a tendency towards dominating the ball and taking some questionable shots that I suspect would look a lot worse if he had real teammates out there. Plus his defense is a serious question mark (as Lowe pointed out).

      Furthermore, PG is just an extremely deep position. You can take for granted that every 7-footer who has ever so much as glanced sideways has been given a long hard look by NBA scouts (which is why the Whiteside situation is so rare and insane), but 6’1″ guys are a lot more likely to slip through the cracks. On the Knicks alone in just the last few years we’ve seen Lin, Prigioni and Galloway come from obscurity to give us some point guard-y goodness. I’d bet there’s at least 1 or 2 guys in the d-league who could give us what Shved is giving us now.

    23. The most obvious sign of Galloway’s ‘suckitude’ is that he is not a PG or a SG. Like Toney Douglas before him, he is a ‘combo-guard’, which most of the time means a guy not good enough to play a specific position. Like Douglas, he is a scrappy player, hard-working, capable of the occasional good performance but ultimately not relevant on a decent or better team.

      I like him, but he is not very good.

      I like Galloway – I don’t think he’s necessarily a starting guard on a good team, but I think he’s a pretty reasonable 3rd or 4th guard on a Triangle team which doesn’t need traditional PGs. Yes, that’s not a huge niche for him to be in, but he’s smart, doesn’t turn the ball over, plays very solid defense, and can shoot the 3 at a league-average rate. And he’s also just a rookie and presumably has room to improve.

    24. Well, of course Bargs agent says he’d welcome another contract from teh Knicks. And hey, who wouldn’t want a center with a 53 TS% who can’t rebound or play D?

    25. I think I’m going to value this opinion over most others.

      Haralabos Voulgaris ?@haralabob Mar 10
      Shved could actually be a decent basketball player if he ever hit the weights even a little bit.

    26. Who would watch a reality series about me, Cole and Shved competing to get in the best shape before the start of next season? Getting Shvedded with Cole & DRed, next on MSG!

    27. We should bring back Eddy Curry with Bargs, just to add some beef to pair with Bargs’ long range game.

      It’s so difficult to trust a guard who generates his value through ft’s. You live in the paint, your acl dies in the paint. If Schved had James Harden’s build then sure, he would be a different player and pretty interesting. But he doesn’t and won’t ever. Not really sure what Haralabob is getting at. Cryptic as always. Although I certainly respect him, one of the very smartest guys out there and always an entertaining read on APBRmetrics back in the day.

      The major reason to bring Schved back is that his PAR (puns above replacement) is Lebron-esque. That for me is his major selling point. DRed, i would definitely tune in…

    28. The way I see it, the plan is simple.

      Find the 10 scrubs (all starting on the Knicks now) that would accept being bench players. Add the #1 pick to Melo and find 3 other stud free agents. Guys like Shved, Thomas and Amundson move to the bench. Suddenly the team is decent.

      Now who are the other 4 that start with Melo? That’s the big question.

    29. You make it sound simple but who are these three stud free agents we’re signing with a little under $30M in space?

    30. You make it sound simple but who are these three stud free agents we’re signing with a little under $30M in space?

      He actually said that’s the big question so I don’t think he was implying it’s going to be easy to round up 4 starters this summer.

    31. Obviously it’s too early to say who we’re starting next season, but if he’s fully recovered Melo is the one guy you can absolutely pencil in, probably at the 3. For the backcourt, Jose and Galloway are both viable NBA starters. I’d make strong efforts to dump Jose (we can ‘sweeten’ the pot with useless ass Tim Hardaway), but whatever, we’re not building a title contender next year. Then we are ideally drafting Towns/Okafor. You start whichever, with some combination of Cole and Lou or an equivalent okayish vet bigman to either spot start in the beginning as they get up to speed or just provide a bunch of minutes off the bench. So at a minimum, we need another guard and another big to start. That’s certainly doable with 30 millions.

    32. ive been seeing in a number of places that ny is one of Love’s preferred destinations… i initially thought that was horrible.. but now i’m not so sure…

    33. You make it sound simple but who are these three stud free agents we’re signing with a little under $30M in space?

      I wish I knew.
      I’ll take a guess (and list 4 not 3): Monroe, Milsap, Dragic and Butler.

      Still sucks :(

    34. I wish I knew.
      I’ll take a guess (and list 4 not 3): Monroe, Milsap, Dragic and Butler.

      Still sucks :(

      I doubt we have space to sign even 2 of those guys let alone 3 or 4. Monroe’s going to be expecting a max offer, and he’s almost certainly going to get one; Butler’s getting a max offer from someone; and I would guess that both Milsap and Dragic will be getting contracts starting at over $10M/year and to convince either of them to leave their better situations to join us I’d guess we’d have to start at at least $12M/year if not more.

    35. What’s the cite on the Knicks being interested in bringing Bargs back? I totally believe that Bargs would gladly return, but there don’t seem to be any quotes (even from Bargs’ agent) to suggest that the Knicks have expressed interest, right?

    36. Butler is almost certainly out because he’s a RFA that the Bulls will match any offer on (even if teams got super clever like the Mavericks did with Parsons’ offer, which turned out to be a lot crazier than people first thought, and it was pretty crazy just on the basic terms of the deal).

      Dragic is almost certainly out because the Heat have his Bird Rights, he said he wanted to play there and if they lose him after giving up so much for him, well, then that just wouldn’t make any sense.

      Green is a RFA who Golden State will likely match most offers on.

      That leaves Monroe and Millsap. I think you’d have to max out either guy to have a chance at getting either one, but if you do that, then you don’t have room for the other guy.

      I honestly don’t have a clue right now who the Knicks can realistically get this year that would improve them a lot.

    37. The Knicks are going to win what, like 17 games or so? To get them to .500 they have to add 24 wins. That is a lot of wins to try to add in one offseason.

    38. If you are going to max out one of Millsap and Monroe you go w Monroe. He is younger and a bit cheaper no bc of less years? A max Monroe becomes more cost effective w the cap growth next year. Then you use the rest of the $ on youth and depth try and make the playoffs w Monroe, Melo, stud pick and show some progress. Then you go for another big splash in ’16 where you can look for a deeper playoff run.

      My gut says Love is going to be v much in play for Knicks this summer.

    39. I can definitely see Love being in play, but boy, if that dude walks away from an NBA Finals team (if that happens, of course) and being teammates with Lebron James, that would be pretty disappointing. Yeah, the situation isn’t ideal for him, but they’re winning and he’s going to get paid a shit ton of money. Just suck it up, dude.

    40. If Love is going to leave Cleveland for one of the worst teams in the league isn’t it going to be the Lakers and not us?

    41. I like Monroe, but IMO he’s more of a C than a PF even though he officially plays PF now. I think it depends on who we draft. If we draft a C, then we should go for Milsap. If we draft Russell, then Monroe might be better and it also gives us more flexibility in how to use Melo (PF or SF).

    42. What’s the cite on the Knicks being interested in bringing Bargs back? I totally believe that Bargs would gladly return, but there don’t seem to be any quotes (even from Bargs’ agent) to suggest that the Knicks have expressed interest, right?

      “Andrea is optimistic about what Phil is trying to accomplish and he certainly wants to be part of it. But he’s a free agent this summer so it’s too early to predict what may or may not happen.”

      -Leon Rose

    43. i think it’s even money he leaves…. and i think we have as good a shot as la does of getting him…. hou and bos are also factors…

    44. “Andrea is optimistic about what Phil is trying to accomplish and he certainly wants to be part of it. But he’s a free agent this summer so it’s too early to predict what may or may not happen.”

      Yeah, but that’s what I mean. Nothing there says that the Knicks are interested in him, no?

    45. i think it’s even money he leaves…. and i think we have as good a shot as la does of getting him…. hou and bos are also factors…

      Simmons has been pretty funny recently on Twitter where he is debating where Love will live in Boston when he signs there. :)

      I do agree that it seems unlikely that he’d go to New York over Los Angeles if he decided he was going to join a shitty team.

      Also, honestly, I guess if Towns is the pick it would make sense, but otherwise, Love and Melo seem like a horrible pairing.

    46. “For the backcourt, Jose and Galloway are both viable NBA starters.”

      We’re talking Westchester Knicks, right?

    47. I still don’t understand the obsession with whether Bargnani comes back to the Knicks or not. The deal that brought him here was one of the worst deals the Knicks have ever made. If he came back on a minimum contract and rode the bench next year, I wouldn’t lose a minute of sleep. This team is still going to have a few barely warm bodies on it next year. If Bargs is one of them, I don’t care.

      Would we be better off trying to find some hidden D league player or undrafted kid?

      Probably.

      But the net of either choice is going to be a big nothing. The only things that matter are who we draft and whether we can get a quality FA to sign here at a fair price. The pickings are slim given injuries, moves that have already been made, and the probability that their current teams will match.

    48. Would we be better off trying to find some hidden D league player or undrafted kid?

      Probably.

      But the net of either choice is going to be a big nothing.

      You have to choose one or the other. Bargnani sucks. Lots of D-Leaguers suck. But not all D-Leaguers suck. Giving Bargnani minutes doesn’t just “eat up” minutes. It ruins them. It puts a team at a disadvantage because Bargnani is catastrophically bad at NBA basketball. And furthermore, the possibility that Bargnani might improve is so small that playing him yields nothing but a net negative for your team. Are you trying to lose games? Yes? Good. Sign and play Bargnani.

      Are you going to sign Bargnani and not play him? Okay, cool. But why? Otherwise, you could take a tiny chance and sign the unknown to a non-guaranteed contract.

      It’s like choosing between a scratched-off lottery ticket that yields $0 or an unscratched lottery ticket. How many people would actually choose the one that lost?

    49. To get them to .500 they have to add 24 wins. That is a lot of wins to try to add in one offseason.

      Sure is. Here’s an easy way to begin. Replace:

      Tim Hardaway -1483 minutes
      Jason Smith – 1424 minutes
      Travis Wear – 620 minutes
      Lance Thomas – 596 minutes
      Cleanthony Early – 498 minutes
      Andrea Bargnani -471 minutes

      With just about anyone. Add in the 600 minutes of shit basketball JR played for us, the 500 minutes of garbage we got from Sam Dalembert, and you have a whole lot of basketball being played by sub replacement level guys. Replace that giant chunk of suck with guys you can get fairly easily and that’s probably a 10-14 win shift right there. And that’s without adding any really good players. Then you get hopefully a full season of a healthy Melo. So that’s another say 4-6 wins. Now you’re getting close-add two good FAs and a solid rookie and we’re looking okay.

    50. Oh, I just saw the NBA, so my question becomes: Iz u crazy?

      Well, maybe. Viable NBA starter in this context means at least a run of the mill poor NBA starter. There are a lot of bad players playing big minutes in the NBA (look at my previous post for a sadly lengthy list of them on the Knicks alone) that Jose and Langston are better than. We have soooo many holes-we can’t fill them all in FA. I mean, I think Jose is pretty shot, and I’d try hard to dump him, but he is not Bargnani/Wear/Smith type awful. Playing those types of guys ruin your team. Playing Jose-eh, it’s okay. It’s cool to say “hey, let’s just go out and add 6 new really good players”, but that’s going to be impossible. So if we have a promising young guy like Galloway, maybe don’t spend as much at his position. Look to use money bringing in a guy where we have a gaping hole, like C or PF.

    51. I can definitely see Love being in play, but boy, if that dude walks away from an NBA Finals team (if that happens, of course) and being teammates with Lebron James, that would be pretty disappointing. Yeah, the situation isn’t ideal for him, but they’re winning and he’s going to get paid a shit ton of money. Just suck it up, dude.

      You can’t seriously believe any player that’s been an All-Star and was considered almost universally a top-10 player last season would be okay with being used how he is. The guy doesn’t even play the majority of 4th quarters. He came to Cleveland with the expectation he’d be playing 2nd fiddle to Lebron and his partner in crime in PNR and pick and pop, not standing out on the wing to space the floor for Lebron and Irving isolations as Mozgov takes the majority of PNR action.

      I’m not a big Kevin Love fan, but tbh I’d question him a lot more if he was totally okay with that.

    52. If they don’t make the Finals, then I’d be okay with it, because yeah, if you do all that and then not even win, what’s the point? Especially because the way things are, who is to say that, say, Boston won’t give him just as much of a chance to win a title in a few years? But if they’re a Finals team, that is hard to walk away from (and if they actually win the title? Yikes).

    53. You have to choose one or the other. Bargnani sucks. Lots of D-Leaguers suck. But not all D-Leaguers suck. Giving Bargnani minutes doesn’t just “eat up” minutes. It ruins them. It puts a team at a disadvantage because Bargnani is catastrophically bad at NBA basketball. And furthermore, the possibility that Bargnani might improve is so small that playing him yields nothing but a net negative for your team. Are you trying to lose games? Yes? Good. Sign and play Bargnani.

      Are you going to sign Bargnani and not play him? Okay, cool. But why? Otherwise, you could take a tiny chance and sign the unknown to a non-guaranteed contract.

      It’s like choosing between a scratched-off lottery ticket that yields $0 or an unscratched lottery ticket. How many people would actually choose the one that lost?

      First off, IMO Bargnani is badly misvalued by WOW. But even if I concede he’s as horrible as that metric says, that’s not the issue. I agreed with you that some D league player etc… would be preferable.

      It’s just that worrying that you have Bargnani riding the bench at the minimum is like worrying about acne when you have a case of lung cancer. As long as we aren’t paying him anything and he’s not playing big minutes, it’s no big deal. He’ll never get a lot of minutes on a good team again. He’ll be a wasted roster spot. He’ll be Travis Wear.

    54. @63

      You’re talking about replacing half the team with league average players. It’s safe to assume that a league average player is worth the MLE, that’s $30M right there which is probably more cap space than we actually have. How do we add two good free agents on top of that?

      @67

      It’s not jus WOW. It’s literally every single advanced statistic we have available to us as well as counting stats like rebounds and FG%

    55. Quick glance at Enes Kanter’s numbers in OKC and they’re kind of impressive

      12 games
      30 MPG
      58.7 TS%
      17.3 ORB%
      19.6 DRB%
      18.5 TRB%
      22.4 USG%
      .201 WS/48

      Small sample size and he still sucks ass on defense, but that’s a ridiculous surge across the board for him. Almost certain somebody is going to throw a Tristan Thompson type of contract at him this summer.

    56. It’s just that worrying that you have Bargnani riding the bench at the minimum is like worrying about acne when you have a case of lung cancer. As long as we aren’t paying him anything and he’s not playing big minutes, it’s no big deal. He’ll never get a lot of minutes on a good team again.

      But that’s the exact worry. Why would they sign him if they didn’t plan on playing him? The answer is they wouldn’t. They would only sign him if they planned on playing him. And if they plan on playing him, well, that’s berry bad news. Berry bad news.

    57. If they don’t make the Finals, then I’d be okay with it, because yeah, if you do all that and then not even win, what’s the point? Especially because the way things are, who is to say that, say, Boston won’t give him just as much of a chance to win a title in a few years? But if they’re a Finals team, that is hard to walk away from (and if they actually win the title? Yikes).

      That’s true, but I do think it’s hard for anybody to sacrifice that much while he sees Lebron and Kyrie getting to do whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want. Out of those 3 he’s the only one that’s really had to sacrifice their game.

    58. As long as we aren’t paying him anything and he’s not playing big minutes, it’s no big deal. He’ll never get a lot of minutes on a good team again. He’ll be a wasted roster spot. He’ll be Travis Wear.

      It’s more that not resigning Bargs is a symbol of a bare minimum of institutional competence. Yes, if we pay Bargs very little money and don’t play him, it’s not a huge deal in terms of how the team will perform next year. However, everything I quoted you could have been written about, say, Jason Smith this offseason. Jason Smith is 3rd on the Knicks in minutes played. Larkin may catch him, but it is fairly likely we end this season with our two worst players (Jason and Timmy) 1-2 on the team in minutes played. When you’ve got a guy on your roster and people get hurt, the temptation is to play them. If you’re signing a guy with no upside and you’re not going to play him-why on earth are you signing him?

    59. You’re talking about replacing half the team with league average players.

      No, I’m talking about replacing half the team with mediocre players. The guys I’d like to replace are awful, bottom 10% players. We have an astounding number of such guys. If you’d found, say, another Lou Amundson type to play instead of 1400 minutes of Jason Smith, the Knicks would have 3-4 more wins. Lou Amundson makes what, a million bucks? We have so many terrible players. Replacing terrible players with mediocre players is an easy way to get a couple more wins, and when you have 5 or 6 terrible players, it adds up.

    60. However, everything I quoted you could have been written about, say, Jason Smith this offseason.

      The only reason Jason Smith is playing is because the team is HORRIBLE.

      But that’s the exact worry. Why would they sign him if they didn’t plan on playing him?

      I understand the concern, but IMO it’s needless worry.

      Phil is not an idiot. He knows that Bargs has major flaws defensively and on the boards. My best guess is that Phil thinks Bargnani is useful filler down the bench. That is, he’s way better than proponents of WOW think, but not as good as his PPG and PER would suggest. He’s a below average big but not horrible.

      IMO, he will only be signed (at the minimum or thereabouts) and play if the team still has gaping holes. So it won’t really matter. If we fill out the roster with some quality players he’s gone or totally buried at the end of the bench.

      If I’m wrong, I’ll throw up like the rest of you. I’m just not worried about it. I’m worried about getting at least one quality FA.

    61. So far Phil Jackson’s acumen in bringing in veteran players has looked, well, awfully shitty. He’s the one who brought Jason Smith in here in the first place. Sure, if he makes a bunch of shrewd moves and hits a lot of singles and doubles with Lou Amundson type guys, he could pick up some marginal wins here and there. But he has not shown an ability to do that. In fact Amundson himself looks like kind of an outlier– most of the guys Jackson has brought in here have sucked elephant balls.

    62. The only reason Jason Smith is playing is because the team is HORRIBLE.

      Right, but a big reason the team is all caps horrible is that Jason Smith is about to be second on the team in minutes played.

    63. Right, but a big reason the team is all caps horrible is that Jason Smith is about to be second on the team in minutes played.

      The Knicks are like an MC Escher painting of awfulness. A Mobius strip of suck.

    64. I’d go with Milsap who actually plays very good defense. Monroe might be younger, but he’s also very average. Milsap is a great fit btwn Melo and (God willing) Towns. Then you just dig deep for guards and let them fight it out for the starting spots.

    65. Ah, Dion Waiters has 6 points on 12 FGAs tonight. I think I would have tried to murder him if he’d been a Knick-there is not a more unlikeable on court player in the NBA in my opinion.

      Enes Kanter hooping and scooping like there’s a big bag of money dangling in front of his face.

    66. Kanter is putting up #s though note that Utah is 11-2 since he left, and one of those losses was the Brad Stevens special to the Cs. He sucks at defense. Please no Phil.

    67. I’d be a lot more impressed with Utah in general, and the Stifle Tower in particular, if he didn’t get worked inside for 17 by a certain Mr. C. Aldrich in a near loss to our boys.

    68. I think a good, realistic offseason looks something like this. Offer Cory Joseph 4 years/$32 million, Spurs don’t match because they have Mills and have to pay Leonard and Green. Offer Robin Lopez a similar contract, maybe a little more. Blazers might not pay up because of Aldridge and Matthews. If they do, go after Ed Davis or Brandan Wright on the relative cheap ($5-6 million a season). Try to pry Demarre Carroll out of Atlanta, and if that doesn’t work sign Aminu to a deal that may look like an overpay but fuck it because that dude is good. Use the rest to re-sign Cole, Larkin, and Amundson.

    69. my best guess is Phil thinks Bargnani is useful filler down the bench…IMO, he will only be signed (at the minimum or thereabouts)

      I don’t think Leon Rose is thinking “minimum or thereabouts” for Bargnani. More like mid-level or above. And he’ll probably get it. Remember in 2010 when Darko Milicic signed a 4 year $20,000,000 contract after sucking for four different organizations?

      Or the time that a 30 year old Kwame Brown signed a $7,000,000 a year contract after sucking up the league for 10 straight years?

      Or the time Jerry West have Brian Cardinal a 5 year $30,000,000 contract just to piss his owner off?

      Point is, when a lot of teams have a lot of cap space to spend on players, bad players get big contracts. Especially if they are tall and were a top draft pick. Especially when there is a salary floor that make the money irrelevant to owners (like in the case of Cardinal).

      Bargnani will get offered enough money this summer to make the good folks at KB barf. The question is: will he be in NY this fall or elsewhere.

    70. 10 day contract for Ricky Ledo. No idea who he is, but why not?

      Numbers are unexciting across all leagues, but small sample size so we shall see.

    71. Not for nothin’, but Kevin Love is #4 on the Cavs in FGA/48, behind LeBron, Irving and the World-Famous Dion Waiters (literally the worst player in the league). He averages about 2 fewer FGA per game than Kyrie does. That’s really not a big deal. Maybe he should be shooting more, but let’s not act like he’s Juwon Howard on the ’12 Heat.

    72. Not for nothin’, but Kevin Love is #4 on the Cavs in FGA/48, behind LeBron, Irving and the World-Famous Dion Waiters (literally the worst player in the league). He averages about 2 fewer FGA per game than Kyrie does. That’s really not a big deal. Maybe he should be shooting more, but let’s not act like he’s Juwon Howard on the ’12 Heat.

      Love averaged 18.5 FGA last year. He’s averaging 12.9 FGA this year.

      Lebron averaged 17.6 FGA last year. He’s averaging 18.8 FGA this year.

      Kyrie averaged 17.4 FGA last year. He’s averaging 16.6 FGA this year.

      Only Love is sacrificing his game.

    73. I remember Ricky Ledo from the 2013 draft. He’s sort of like PJ Hairston, a known jerk and bully that alienates everybody he runs into and is not talented enough to get away with it.

      Seems like he doesn’t fit in with the whole “change the culture” thing Phil is going for, but he is a pass-first guard with good size at 6’7″. You have to figure he’ll screw up his chance here but on a 10-day contract in a lost season he’s a decent enough gamble.

    74. I was wrong to knock the Knicks for the loss to the Spurs. In retrospect, it was clearly just bad luck (this franchise has had a lot of it on top of all of its self-created misfortune). Hopefully their luck does better and they lose to both Minny and Philly (both times).

    75. Brian, that was a good win no matter how you look at it. Even a tanking team needs a morale boost from time to time. Beating the world champs on your home floor? When all their players are playing? Good for them.

      On the other hand, Ledo is as bad statistically as any player I have ever looked up. Maybe he was brought in to run the point of this tank brigade vs. Philly and Minny. Shved is a bad fit for the job. In effect, Phil just replaced Audie Murphy with Wilton Parmenter.

    76. Ledo has a lot of raw talent, but he basically went straight from HS to the pros because he got kicked off his college team (major red flag obviously). He then never really played with the Mavs the last couple of seasons so I’m interested to see how he does in extended run. I think the Knicks may have just signed him as a long-term project more than anything else. Also could be Phil wants to sign him to a 2-year deal with the 2nd one being non-guaranteed like he did with Odom last year.

    77. I don’t think Leon Rose is thinking “minimum or thereabouts” for Bargnani. More like mid-level or above. And he’ll probably get it.

      That’s no big concern because I don’t think Phil will be the one to give it to him. People are operating under the assumption that Phil is a total moron.

    78. Since Dallas waived Ledo to make room for Amare, I guess we kind of traded Amare for Ledo.

      I assume the comments on his stats refer to his D-League ones. His shot chart shows he hasn’t shot very well overall but is good at corner threes and some mid-range shots and OK around the rim. I’m more worried about his character issues, but he’s still young and maybe two years of doing nothing in the NBA has taught him something. I can always hope he does well, but it seems unlikely there aren’t other D-League guards who are better prospects that him.

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