Knicks Morning News (2015.03.12)

  • [New York Post] For Knicks’ Fisher, it’s a long way from his Lakers glory days (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:42:14 -0400)

    LOS ANGELES — Knicks rookie coach Derek Fisher may get a standing ovation Thursday night, but not for anything he has done lately on the sidelines. It's all about the…

  • [New York Times] On College Basketball: Richmond Player Has Basketball, and Perseverance, in His Blood (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:02:11 GMT)

    T.J. Cline, a redshirt sophomore for the Spiders, is the son of Nancy Lieberman, a women’s basketball superstar born a generation too soon.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Hold Off Rockets, 105-100 (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 05:36:08 GMT)

    LaMarcus Aldridge had 26 points and 14 rebounds, and the Portland Trail Blazers held off the Houston Rockets 105-100 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Thompson, Warriors Hold Off Pistons for Fifth Straight Win (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:57:24 GMT)

    Klay Thompson reached the 5,000-point milestone and knocked down two late 3-pointers in a 69-second span, leading the Golden State Warriors past the Detroit Pistons 105-98 on Wednesday night for their fifth straight win.

  • [New York Times] Markieff Morris Leads Suns Past Timberwolves, 106-97 (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:33:20 GMT)

    Markieff Morris scored 24 points, Eric Bledsoe had 18 points and nine assists and the Phoenix Suns beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 106-97 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Paul Has 33, Outplays Westbrook as Clippers Beat Thunder (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:21:32 GMT)

    The superstar point guard trying to lead a team without its high-scoring forward had his way Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: With TV Deals Ahead, Players Reject Salary Cap Limits (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:26:30 GMT)

    The N.B.A. hoped to phase in gradual increases to the salary cap — a process it called smoothing — to avoid a single dramatic spike in free-agent contract amounts.

  • [New York Times] Smart, Bradley Help Celtics Edge Grizzlies, 95-92 (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:34:32 GMT)

    Marcus Smart converted a go-ahead, three-point play with 52 seconds left, Avery Bradley added a clutch jumper with eight seconds remaining and the Boston Celtics ended a five-game losing streak against the Memphis Grizzlies with a 95-92 victory on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Start Fast and Finish Off Season Sweep of Nets, 104-98 (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:34:23 GMT)

    Dwyane Wade scored 28 points and added nine assists, Chris Andersen tied a career high with 18 points and set a season high with 14 rebounds, and the Miami Heat finished off a season sweep of the Brooklyn Nets with a 104-98 victory on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] McLemore, Gay Lead Kings Past Hornets 113-106 (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:00:54 GMT)

    Ben McLemore scored 27 points, Rudy Gay added 26, and the Sacramento Kings snapped a four-game losing streak with a 113-106 victory over the Charlotte Hornets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Brooks Scores 31 Points, Bulls Beat 76ers in OT (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 01:58:08 GMT)

    Aaron Brooks scored seven of his season-high 31 points in overtime to help the short-handed Chicago Bulls beat the Philadelphia 76ers 104-95 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] For Derek Fisher, L.A. visit will have ring to it (Thu, 12 Mar 2015 01:44:51 GMT)

    Derek Fisher hasn’t had success this season with the Knicks, but he will be reminded of past glories when he returns to Los Angeles.

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    83 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.12)”

    1. rama
      February 19, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      Loved Prigs. Really happy for us and for him that we traded him now. To argue that PJax is terrible because 2nd round picks have no value is just plain stupid. The same people will argue when we’re trading them away that “there goes another potential Ginobili! This team never thinks about its future!” Etc etc.

      Good trade. I think Schved can play (I liked him as a rook), I think two 2nd rounders are useful, I think we were a waste of Prigs talents, which do not include JKiddian mentoring. Hope Prigs experiences some joy in the playoffs before his pro career is done.

      I still think Schved can play. The whole point of what you have to do if you want to build a good team is to ACQUIRE PLAYERS AT LESS THAN THE VALUE THEY PRODUCE FOR THE TEAM. I do not believe Schved is a starter on a good team; I believe he is a capable backup who at $3 mil per year would produce more value than his salary. Those are the kinds of signings we need to make to build a team. Few people debate whether Melo is a good player (not even me, and I don’t like him); but most posters believe he is not worth the money being paid him. Cole, though he can’t play at a high level for more than 5 minutes at a time, is still outproducing the money that is being paid him. Galloway is outproducing the money that is being paid him.

      If we can get four or five players who outproduce their salaries, we can build a good team. We have three now. A high draft pick will be four. Add two free agents who at least produce wins congruent with their salaries, and we have the nucleus of a good team. It’s that easy…and that hard, because people want the home run every time and not the marginal wins, like Schved.

      Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Wes Matthews (pre-injury) at their max – congruent salary/value. If we get one or two, awesome. But we need the same kinds of players at low salaries….not Jason Smith.

    2. It’s highly unlikely that anyone, including the Knicks, make a run at Kawhi or Butler this offseason. First, there is practically no chance that their teams won’t match any contract offer made. You’re better off waiting a year until they are UFAs and actually have a choice for what team they play for. Second, for those players, it would make more financial sense for them to play out the year on their qualifying offer, then sign their max next year when the cap balloons. They are unlikely to sign an offer sheet this summer, even if the Knicks did give them one.

    3. Zach Lowe Twitter:

      League releases statement saying union will not agree to cap smoothing. Idea appears dead. Cap spike in ’16-17 might be inevitable.

      If this is the case then half the league will have cap space and a lot of FAs are going to get overpaid. I’d bet my wife that the Bulls and Spurs match any contract for both those guys and Kevin is right about focusing on UFA because there may be a lot of competition for those guys.

    4. “Honey, I’ve got some good news and some bad news. The good news is the Knicks acquired Jimmy Butler. The bad news is that I’ve traded you to a guy from Knickerblogger”

    5. “I still think Schved can play”
      It appears that one thing Shved can do is get to the foul line, which the Knicks have struggled to do for the last few years. Earlier this year, there was some debate over whether this was due to the triangle offense or the fact that no one on the team was any good at drawing fouls (with the exception of Melo, who is great at drawing fouls, but lousy at actually having them called). Since they left the Knicks, JR Smith and Shumpert have averaged well under one foul shot per game (meaning that they draw a foul once every three games or so) and Prigioni has been to the foul line exactly zero times (albeit in limited playing time, but still). The other big departure, Chandler, averages barely over three foul shots a game, which is pretty darn low for a guy who takes all of his shots at the rim.

    6. Kevin – I never said we’d succeed in prying Kawhi or Butler from SA or Chi. My point was about VALUE: that while we can hope to get a player like that (which I don’t expect, because unlike some posters here, I’m pretty sure SA and Chi realize that those guys are max players), their value would be congruent to what they were paid. Which, for the Knicks, is actually pretty good. But since we’re so far from having a good roster, we need to do more, even if we were so lucky as to get a guy like Kawhi or Butler. Or Draymond, or Danny Green, etc etc. We need to make smart though modest moves, because we have so far to go that a Schved at $3 mil is actually important. Or Cole at the minimum. A bunch of those guys who can give us 10 good minutes means a lot.

    7. It’s too soon to say if Shved can play well enough to deserve a deal.

      Johnno, if you look at Phil Jackson’s non-Knicks triangle teams, they could get to the line. . .when they had players who could draw fouls. The Knicks have sucked at generating FTs for a few years now, because they don’t have the right players.

    8. if you look at Phil Jackson’s non-Knicks triangle teams, they could get to the line. . .when they had players who could draw fouls

      Yup. As I wrote in the other thread, I just had a revelation. The Triangle is a useless strategy, per se. It is just a MacGuffin to somewhat equalize superstars and Jud Buechlers and to try to stave off hero-ball temptations in true superstars. It is a way of life, a philosophy, and not a playbook.

      From now on, I don’t see any sense in employing the Triangle anywhere if not in Oklahoma City (I mean, not when the Knicks play in OKC. It’s the Thunder who, in absence of other, smarter ideas, could use some Holy Triangulation).

    9. I agree with Kevin. Right now, if Phil knows what he’s doing, he knows no superstar (or just very good player) in the making will sign a contract that lasts more than a year, or at the very most a two years contract with a player option for the second. Moreover, if we actually extend a max offer to an RFA (with the possible exception of Draymond Green), we do a favor to his team.

      So, what’s the solution? Wait another year goofing around and lose some more without a 2016 pick? Nah, we need to scout the hell out of the D-League and Europe to sign at least four-five future contributors at a relatively small salary, and just try to make the playoffs. Blech. Two years of MMM will be gone and we’ll have almost nothing to show for.

    10. I think Butler, Aldridge and Matthews are all in play this summer. Not sure if we should spend our money on Aldridge since we’ll most likely draft a big BUT my thinking is that with Wes going down, Portland might find themselves going out early AGAIN. And that might be enough to tempt Aldridge away from Portland because say what you will about The Knicks, they are in the East and the East is way easier to get to the Finals than The West. Matthews I think is in play simply because Portland might not want to sign him now with this major injury, which is of course a good reason why we should not either although maybe he can be had for cheaper than previously expected.

      And Butler. I do think Chicago will want to hold on to him. BUT, will Chicago get out of the first round this year? Derrick Rose got hurt again. He’s DONE. Noah is good but outside of Noah and Butler and Mitrioc they don’t have much and while they might pay for Butler, they don’t seem to ever want to pay for anyone else and maybe Butler will realize that and go to The Knicks because Dolan will pay for a team. Heck he way overpaid for horrible teams for years. If Phil can net Towns and convince Butler to sign with us plus another decent FA to add to Melo. And the cap goes up next year so we can get another player and I believe if the team is close to really competing, Dolan will be willing to go over the cap (just my conjecture)…I don’t know…its not a bad situation for a player to be in. Whereas just because the cap goes up doesn’t necessarily mean Chicago will want to shell out the money to put a real contender on the floor. And with Rose done and eating up cap space, it could be easy to temp Butler away.

    11. Reposted from the other thread, where Farfa made the same point as #9:

      I see the Triangle differently. It is not an “antidote to hero ball” – it creates the opportunity for stars to become heroes. Let me explain.

      The key to the Triangle is ball movement, which is designed to make each defender stay true to his man. One of the three options on each catch of the ball is for the ballhandler to immediately dribble drive. If he is being single covered, a great player should have a tremendous advantage on the dribble drive. In fact, when Carmelo catches at the elbow and is single covered, he is tremendous at getting to the (below the) rim. Both Jordan and Kobe would make opponents pay for single coverage by either getting to the rim (in their younger years) or having great fadeaway elbow jumpers (in the older years).

      For the Knicks, the Triangle has not worked because the offense has not forced opponents to single cover Carmelo. To the contrary, he often found multiple defenders in his way, especially when he caught the ball in the corner.

      There were brief moments when we saw the power of the Triangle. I think that for it to truly work, the Knicks need (1) a true low post threat (Okafor?, Towns?) and (2) disciplined wing players who are threats to catch-and-shoot or swing the ball quickly. Also, they need Carmelo to be healthy.

      On a different topic, I think that the Knicks may want to make a Parsons-type offer to a RFA this summer: a three year near-Max contract with the third year being a player option. As Morey said this past summer, that type of contract is basically untradeable and unmatchable.

    12. I wish the Pellies had kept Nerlens. I have no idea if a Nerlens/Brow combo would have worked, but it really would have been cool to see.

    13. I see the Triangle differently. It is not an “antidote to hero ball” – it creates the opportunity for stars to become heroes. Let me explain.

      It might be. I’m no basketball genius, so your opinion is at least as good as mine (or, more likely, better). Anyway, I really, really see no point anymore in using the Triangle – oh yes, the tank. Well, ok. But can we see, I don’t know, some screen and roll in the last two games? Pretty please? Just to see what we have in our players when they’re not made to watch Bargs shoot from 20 feet?

    14. I have no idea if a Nerlens/Brow combo would have worked, but it really would have been cool to see.

      And then, I would have unleashed a Big Baby Davis – Cole Aldrich combo on them just to watch an episode of Supersize vs. Superskinny.

    15. Second, for those players, it would make more financial sense for them to play out the year on their qualifying offer, then sign their max next year when the cap balloons.

      Don’t know about that. Their teams will likely place max qualifying offers of 80m+ over 5 years in front of them. For example, Middleton’s QO is 1.2m which means he’d be giving up a lot of dough next season. If he gets max offer the following year for 20m/year, the numbers work out about the same over a 5 year period. Also in the instance of taking max QO deal this summer, they would be a year younger at the time they sign their next contract. I don’t think players will risk their first big payday (ACL, achilles, car accident, etc.) for an unknown future payback. Rose signed his first big contract a couple of months before his ACL injury.

      Re: trading the pick – I think if Towns is not available then I would be open to trading the pick. that doesn’t mean I WANT to trade the pick, it just means I’d listen.

      I think the most fertile territory might be Milwaukee (26 out of 30 in market size) since the owner will watch his dollars very closely. Sanders’ retirement really hurt our chances but there still might be hope. Consider an Okafor … Middleton/Henson swap. He’ll probably have to pay Middleton this summer and Henson the following one. From a pure dollars vantage, it might make a lot of sense to the owner.

    16. Captain Luke – let me be very specific about why I think you are wrong.

      From 1986 – 1989, the Detroit Pistons successfully used the “Jordan Rules” against the Doug Collins-coached Chicago Bulls. They tilted their entire defense to stop Michael Jordan. He was never going to be able to get to the rim without going through at least two defenders.

      With the Triangle, Phil Jackson made it much tougher for the Pistons to throw multiple levels of defense at MJ. If they did, they would have to leave Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Scottie Pippin or (even) Bill Wennington open for 12′ jumpers (which each of them could make). The change in offense had MJ take fewer shots (although he still led the league in FGA and scoring) but improve team shooting from .495 (1988-89) to .498 (1989-90), .510 (1990 -91) and .508 (1991-92).

    17. If the answer/explanation is that only Phil Jackson has mastered it, then we have to expect Fisher to fail, too, in spectacular manner, like all other Phil Jackson’s pupils. He is not Phil Jackson.

      If Phil Jackson is the only person to have mastered the triangle, and therefore Derek Fisher will fail in a spectacular fashion is a spectacular failure of logic.

    18. On a different topic, I think that the Knicks may want to make a Parsons-type offer to a RFA this summer: a three year near-Max contract with the third year being a player option. As Morey said this past summer, that type of contract is basically untradeable and unmatchable.

      This has been my line of thought for a while but I am not sure it is unmatchable. I have been on the Middleton train since last year and only increased my level of interest as he improved his defense and showed that he could be a starter at SG . Anyway, why wouldn’t Milwaukee match a Parsons type contract when they have major flexibility going forward. I get that they wouldn’t have the ability to trade him until mid Jan. the 1st year and would need his approval beyond the 1st season but what would not make them take the same chance Dallas took or NY would make on that offer?

      I still hope the Knicks make the offer to Middleton. I would take him offer Jimmy Butler but that’s just me.

      Another RFA who will probably be easy to get with out the Parsons deal is Tobias Harris. I doubt Orlando will even think about matching if they get Stanley Johsnon or Winslow to go along with Aaron Gordon who can play the 3/4. I have cooled on Tobias but he is still only 22 yrs old with a lot of time to improve.

    19. Captain Luke February 13, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      Hello everyone!

      Newcomer here. Hoping to contribute to this great blog.

      It all seemed so innocent at the time. Little did we know…..

    20. Captain Luke, here’s the difference between the article I posted and yours. The word “reportedly”. You posted a link to an article that speculated that he may not have to live in NY. I posted one that says he owns an apartment in NYC. So Phil has attended every Knicks home game this year except for 1 or 2 where he had a medical procedure and where he was… wait for it… on a “grueling” scouting trip to OSU and Kentucky. But hey… facts.

    21. He reportedly doesn’t have to live in New York year round

      It is possible to do things you are not contractually required to do. It is also possible to live in a city for a certain segment of the year. For example, one could own a home in Los Angeles, but reside in New York City for the NBA season.

      If Phil Jackson is the only person capable of winning with the Triangle – the evidence is that everyone else has failed – it stands to reason that Derek Fisher, like everyone else before him, should be expected to fail.

      Because something has only been done by one person, does not mean it cannot subsequently be done by another person. The number of people who have tried to implement the triangle offense and been unsuccessful in the NBA is not large enough for us to be able to say that the triangle only works when Phil Jackson is the coach. Are you being purposefully obtuse?

    22. Your argument form is
      If you’re not phil jackson, then you will fail in using the triangle
      derek fisher is not phil jackson
      therefore derek fisher will fail in his use of the triangle

      that’s denying the antecedent so the argument is formally invalid and it’s also inductively unsound–it’s a hasty generalization.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

      your argument fails both deductively and inductively.

    23. It is a fact that Marcus Camby led the NBA in rebound % in 2011.

      It is a fact that Phil Jackson owns an apartment on 57th street.

      Marcus Camby was a Knick before he led the NBA in rebound % in 2011.

      Phil Jackson was a Knick before he owned an apartment on 57th street.

      Marcus Camby sucked.

      Phil Jackson sucks.

      Q.E.D.

      Bitches.

    24. I see the Triangle differently. It is not an “antidote to hero ball” – it creates the opportunity for stars to become heroes. Let me explain.

      The key to the Triangle is ball movement, which is designed to make each defender stay true to his man. One of the three options on each catch of the ball is for the ballhandler to immediately dribble drive. If he is being single covered, a great player should have a tremendous advantage on the dribble drive. In fact, when Carmelo catches at the elbow and is single covered, he is tremendous at getting to the (below the) rim. Both Jordan and Kobe would make opponents pay for single coverage by either getting to the rim (in their younger years) or having great fadeaway elbow jumpers (in the older years).

      For the Knicks, the Triangle has not worked because the offense has not forced opponents to single cover Carmelo. To the contrary, he often found multiple defenders in his way, especially when he caught the ball in the corner.

      There were brief moments when we saw the power of the Triangle. I think that for it to truly work, the Knicks need (1) a true low post threat (Okafor?, Towns?) and (2) disciplined wing players who are threats to catch-and-shoot or swing the ball quickly. Also, they need Carmelo to be healthy.

      As long as people stick to their roles, in theory, the Triangle will create opportunities. But if someone continually fails at their role, whether it’s not reading the defense properly, consistently missing open jumpers, or someone playing hero-ball, the system breaks down.
      And just because the Triangle is a viable system, it doesn’t mean it’s the best system. More than ever, successful teams are both, playing penetrating basketball, and loading up with guys that can hit three’s.

    25. Conspiracy theory: Captain Luke is an alternate account for one of our beloved hosts who they’re using to stir up traffic. PROVE ME WRONG.

    26. If you’re not phil jackson, then you will fail in using the triangle
      derek fisher is not phil jackson
      therefore derek fisher will fail in his use of the triangle

      I think what he’s saying is that so many people have failed miserably using the triangle, the probability of it becoming a successful system for the Knicks under Fisher is not very high. To counter that, you may want to demonstrate that all those other coaches were incompetent at implementing it (a couple are on our coaching staff now) or that the players sucked. But if you concede they did worse than expected with decent coaches that understood the system, then that’s a clear indictment against the system.

      It’s not absolute, but I don’t think his statement was absolute.

    27. My theory is that Captain Luke is an alternate account managed by Jowles, saddened by the disappearance of ruruland (who very briefly came back, though). Or he is secretly Larry Brown. Who knows?

    28. stratomatic,

      im just saying his argument form was invalid, which it was. inductive arguments dont necessarily have to have valid argument forms in order to be correct but his argument fails the soundness test too due to sample size issues, which leads to my claim that he’s hastily generalizing. Your suggestion would only need to be addressed when the argument became inductively sound–which requires more coaches running the triangle as data points to draw from. Only then would I be argumentatively obligated to talk about confounding factors like the ones you listed.

      it also doesn’t help that he establishes a false dilemma–it’s not at all convincing that every triangle coach is destined to fail; one could easily imagine one doing a mediocre or decent job with it. now whether thats a virtue of the system or the players in it is up for debate, but theres no prima facie convincing reason to assume that derek fisher is going to fail just because jim cleamons and kurt rambis did.

    29. The point about Phil having a clause that allows him to be away from NY is that it wreaks of lack of commitment. Bill Simmons has loudly expressed that he believes Phil is getting outworked by other GM’s.
      Phil doesn’t go to all the games, and the fact that he owns an apartment in NYC has no connection to the amount of time he spends there.
      Bottom line, his first year as GM has been horrendous. I think he thought it would be easier to put a good product out there. My gut tells me he’s more committed now. By this time next year, we’ll know if he’s up for the job or not.

    30. “My theory is that Captain Luke is an alternate account”
      Or, he is pushing the envelope to see just how ridiculous/nonsensical a comment he can post and still have people respond to it and/or argue with him. Does anyone else think that he is sitting home laughing out loud and saying to himself, “I can’t believe that these people are still arguing with me! Let me try this comment and see what happens.”

    31. The clique of guys that ridicule Captain Luke is a complete turn-off to this blog. No one likes it.
      You guys sound like a bunch of high school kids that don’t know much about basketball.
      Cap Luke knows a lot about basketball. If you can’t refute him with logic, don’t say anything.

      “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” – Socrates

    32. It’s funny because socrates actually insulted his interlocutors several times across the dialogues as well as in the apology while also being right.

    33. Not sure how much I agree that the supposed cliquishness of the group turns me off to reading as someone who doesn’t have much to add but reads everyday. I’m more annoyed hearing the same argument from him every day. If I had the same mindset of constant failure I don’t think I could watch the team at all.

    34. You guys sound like a bunch of high school kids that don’t know much about basketball.
      Cap Luke knows a lot about basketball.

      Convincing stuff. “People I agree with know a lot about basketball. People I disagree with know nothing about basketball.”

    35. @Captain Luke

      Look, I don’t think I’m even qualified to be part of this supposed mob. But I don’t know what to make of so many negative, destructive comments or daily plans to jettison Phil out of here.

      To recap:

      1) I don’t like the Triangle anymore.
      2) I’m not sure what to make of Phil.
      3) I’m not sure Fisher knows how to coach anyone or anything.
      4) I don’t like Bargs.
      5) I still think MMM could be a big damage to this franchise.

      So I agree with at least 90% of what you say, right? Still, I can’t help but notice that your contributions add nothing to the table, while often taking something off (the fun, mostly).

      I disagreed more than once with many of other commenters, but it was in good fun and maybe someone got a little entertainment out of it. Your daily tirades have grown stale, I just hope you can contribute with something more than this.

    36. Reading Luke’s and Hoola’s daily rants is like working in a parrot shop or watching the movie Groundhog Day over and over again. If you choose to persist, study not Socrates but the great knickerblogger naysayer bobneptune who, when describing Cole Aldrich, uttered the immortal words: The Zamboni at the garden has more quickness and lateral movement.

    37. Someone yesterday was saying that they attribute some part of DeAndre Jordan’s success this year to playing with Chris Paul. This makes intuitive sense. Over the last 2 seasons , Jordan’s usage has stayed pretty much the same whether or not CP3 is playing (Jordan’s logged almost 1300 minutes without Paul over the 2 years), but his eFG is about .06% higher when Paul in on the floor.

    38. when describing Cole Aldrich, uttered the immortal words: The Zamboni at the garden has more quickness and lateral movement.

      That was a filthy lie, though. The zamboni just has a lot more stamina.

    39. If you choose to persist, study not Socrates but the great knickerblogger naysayer bobneptune who, when describing Cole Aldrich, uttered the immortal words: The Zamboni at the garden has more quickness and lateral movement.

      Call him a naysayer if you want, but bobneptune was one of the most knowledgable posters on this blog.

    40. Dred just said your argument was a spectacular failure of logic, which it was. That’s not an insult; implying someone is dumb and can’t process “simple concepts” for calling out the fallacious nature of your argument, however, is. You continually do this every thread. Your negativity and poor argumentation makes people dislike you and your arrogance makes them want to disprove your arguments (which we routinely do). Be more friendly, less insulting, and argue better and you won’t get bothered. Til then, you’re still just a humorless know-nothing dick.

    41. At the risk of being labeled an unthinking BCT fanboy (I am a thinking BCT fanboy), I think that his three year run from 2008-2010 with the Lakers demonstrates that his teams succeeded because of, not despite, the Triangle.

      Those teams made three straight finals, winning two of them.
      They had Kobe Bryant – who was great, but not the best player in the league (Lebron).
      They had Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, two post-up players.
      They had first Trevor Ariza and then Ron Artest, who each had major offensive voids.
      They had pre-crack Lamar Odom, who was a great facilitator.
      They had a weak PG position, led by Derek Fisher.

      Those teams were good in the regular season, but awesome in the playoffs. They withstood the buckled down defense of the playoffs better than other teams, because the Triangle allowed them to get their funky roster offensive opportunities. Defenses could not double Bynum or Gasol in the post. They could not double Kobe at the elbow.

      If that roster had tried to play slash-and-kick, I doubt that they make the Finals once.

    42. If you read the thread, guys were talking about the triangle. I made a simple remark that has a lot of validity to it:

      “Odds are Phil Jackson won in spite of the triangle, not because of it.”

      Hard to see why such contributions are not highly valued. Such a large amount of thought put into it. So much evidence presented. Much validity. Such basketball knowledge.

      The only reason someone could possibly criticize such a post is because they’re emotionally invested in Phil Jackson (is it the poster who feels the need to turn every thread into a referendum on Phil Jackson who might be letting his emotions cloud his judgement? No, it’s everyone else) or because they have personal feeling against the poster.

    43. Hello everyone!

      Newcomer here. Hoping to contribute to this great blog.

    44. how much time Phil does or doesn’t spend at work is total and complete conjecture. you have no fucking idea how hard he is or isn’t working and neither does bill simmons. the only thing the guy said is he doesnt like to fly to all the games and he actually said that is the single reason he does not coach anymore. he’s been to every home game. it’s an absurd argument on its face and annoying. if you have read any of Phil’s books or know anything about his history work ethic has not been his issue. does someone honestly think that a guy who played high level competitive sports since he was in high school, college and professionally with massive success then went immediately into coaching toiling away in the cba for 8 years (and winning championships there as coach AND gm), then into the pros as an asst, then as the most successful head coach in major sports history doesn’t really want to win in this final role of his long and storied career? anyone who trusts sample size in advanced statistics can site phil jackson’s 50 year sample size as to the nature of his competitive zeal and work ethic. he may not be the right guy here for a lot of reasons but his desire is not one of them.

    45. I feel like I could work like 4 hours a day and be a very effective NBA GM. Give me a team that already has Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan? I’ll work from my yacht.

    46. I feel like I could work like 4 hours a day and be a very effective NBA GM. Give me a team that already has Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan? I’ll work from my yacht.

      What kind of cell coverage does your yacht have?

    47. What’s your specialty? Sarcasm, pessimism, or scorn?

      Why pick just one, when you could strive to be a 5-tool poster like THCJ?

      Sorry guys, I take full responsibility for this one.

    48. What exactly do GMs and Presidents do? How much do they need to be around the team? What would Phil miss when he is in LA?

    49. Someone yesterday was saying that they attribute some part of DeAndre Jordan’s success this year to playing with Chris Paul. This makes intuitive sense. Over the last 2 seasons , Jordan’s usage has stayed pretty much the same whether or not CP3 is playing (Jordan’s logged almost 1300 minutes without Paul over the 2 years), but his eFG is about .06% higher when Paul in on the floor.

      I said something in that regard. I was worrying about the need of a good PG if we got Jordan. It seems to me that you need a PG that dominates the ball, to throw lobs to DeAndre Jordan. Perhaps you dont need a great PG, but a PG committed to it. After all Felton+Chandler worked good for one season. In any case, it is a bit of a departure of the triangle, where the PG is more about spacing the floor and giving entry passes.

      BTW, where do you see the splits with/without other player on the floor?

    50. anyone who trusts sample size in advanced statistics can site phil jackson’s 50 year sample size as to the nature of his competitive zeal and work ethic. he may not be the right guy here for a lot of reasons but his desire is not one of them.

      Do you realize that people’s drives and motivation changes over time? Are you 71? Are you 51?
      Most people, as they get older, get lazier. Not everyone.

      I have a pretty good track record in business, but there’s no way I could rebuild my company from scratch at this stage in my life, and I’m nowhere near Phil’s age.

    51. What exactly do GMs and Presidents do? How much do they need to be around the team? What would Phil miss when he is in LA?

      Basically, they sit around and talk to their subordinates a little, surf the net, check in on knickerblogger, go out for lunch and don’t come back to the office. . . . just waiting around for draft day.

    52. I loved reading this site like a week ago… Now it’s a constant stream of hoolahoop/captain luke centered arguments. Oh well I guess that’s what happens when we’ve got no good basketball team to analyze.

      On a completely unrelated and non-basketball note: Does anyone know any good football stats and analysis blogs? I’ve been desperately looking for something comparable to this site and just can’t find anything. I’m a raiders fan so added bonus if anyone knows a good raiders blog.

    53. Knicks-lakers with a 10:30 tip-off should come with hazard pay. Bargs needs to Bargs it up big time tonight

    54. I am going to DVR tonight’s game and watch it when I wake up. What better way to start a new day? [Insert dialog from Billy Crystal and Christopher Guest on SNL, all ending with “Yeah, I hate when I do that].

    55. Phil strongly hinted that several players on the Knicks current roster that are not signed for next year will be back. I think it’s time we start guessing who.

      Likely:

      1. Lou Amundson (earned a minimum deal)
      2. Quincy Acy (I think the reason he’s not playing much is they already know they want him back)
      3. Alexey Shved (if the price can be worked out and he keeps playing like this)

      Possible:

      1. Bargnani (don’t want him, but I can’t see him accepting a minimum deal when he could make good money in Italy anyway)
      2. Larkin (mixed feelings)
      3. Aldrich (mixed feelings)
      4. Jason Smith (not a fan)

    56. Larkin can come back for a min contract or something mildly additional to the min (like 100k a year more) if he wants too, but he would be better on a run and gun team. I think your other 3 are good. No Bargs, not for the min even.

    57. Cole Aldrich is the exception who proves (i.e. tests by being a negative example) the rule that garbage time stats, if accumulated in enough games, tend to be duplicated in rotation time. It turns out that if you are big, hideously out of shape and have a decent scoring touch, you can put up strong per36 numbers in garbage time, but totally exposed if your time is expanded.

    58. Cole Aldrich is the exception who proves (i.e. tests by being a negative example) the rule that garbage time stats, if accumulated in enough games, tend to be duplicated in rotation time. It turns out that if you are big, hideously out of shape and have a decent scoring touch, you can put up strong per36 numbers in garbage time, but totally exposed if your time is expanded.

      I’ve never trusted any study on that subject.

      It’s hard to control for the possibility that a guy that used to put up good per minute numbers in garbage time may have actually improved. Maybe that’s why his role was expanded. It may not be that those garbage time numbers translated so well.

      It’s the same thing with some of the usage/efficiency studies that show flexibility in usage. If a guy ups his usage from one year to another and remains just as efficient, that could just mean he worked on expanding his game in the off season and got a lot better. So he was able to up his usage. But he couldn’t have done that the prior year.

    59. Cole doesn’t prove anything except that you cant sustain a level of play if you’re not in shape. Which we all probably knew already.

    60. In all seriousness, Cole has quietly put together a stretch of decent play recently. The people (myself included) who advocated for him to get more playing time than Bargs have by no means been proved wrong or anything of the sort.

    61. Yes, DRed. But I, for one, did not know how out of shape Cole Aldrich was, until he proved it. Eddy Curry got killed in these parts for letting himself go (by me and others), and he was already paid and had a heart condition.

      In-shape-Cole is probably an MLE candidate, despite his lack of lateral movement. He just can’t/won’t get in shape.

    62. Coles still the best big man on this team and is decent ish overall. We have to remind ourselves that he was literally the centerpiece of our offense earlier this year which probably lowered his stats and some posters opinion of him by the Knicks asking him to do much

    63. Idk about his fitness though its just weird how out of shape he for an nba player he’s like a step or two below ray Felton

    64. there are plenty of examples of guys who just couldn’t stay in shape for whatever reason… they usually fizzle out of the league fairly quickly… he’s playing for another contract so it’s even more disconcerting…

    65. He’s naturally a little husky and his face gets flushed because he’s out there trying harder than everyone

    66. Eddy Curry cost us two lottery picks. I grade on a curve

      Well, Eddy Curry had a lot of curve.

      I’ll be here all week. Try the veal. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.

    67. Cole’s numbers this year really aren’t far from his career per36 stats. His scoring efficiency has dropped a bit (.509 vs. .547), but his rebounding is still right up there at an elite level, and his Ast% and TOV% is actually better than his career average. At the very least he should be kept on the roster next year as a guy you can play for 5-10 minute spurts a few times a game. Just tell him to never shoot another lefty hook ever again.

    68. ALERT! One of the best first round Knicks games ever on NBA TV right now…Celts, 1990, game 5

    69. That might have been the most complete game I ever saw the Knicks play. The Celts were on the tail end there, but they were still formidable, esp. on that deathtrap of a home court. Unsung heroes: Mo Cheeks and Johnny Newman (MONSTER jam.) And a landmark Ewing moment.

    70. Loved the game then, not quite the bloody mid-late ’90s yet, but great defense being played, post play, and very little 3-pt shooting.

    71. I stand by my Zamboni statement. And I also empty my nose in the general direction of all you Coleophiles here after watching him attempt to play extended minutes this year. He’s not a God awful player and probably a 9-12th player on a decent team, but you guys had it as some crime against humanity that he wasn’t getting big minutes.

      Several teams gave up on him. Fischer watched him daily in OKC and didn’t like him enough to play him except out of desperation.

      I actually fear he may have Marfan’s Syndrome or some other undiagnosed connective tissue disease……

      And lay off Jackson til he gets to impliment his thing the way he wants to. And Fischer, too. Walter Matheau should be coaching this talentless bunch.

    72. He’s not a God awful player and probably a 9-12th player on a decent team, but you guys had it as some crime against humanity that he wasn’t getting big minutes.

      Okay, so you admit you’re wrong for saying he was an awful player. Duly noted.

    73. Take solace wher you might B man, but my estimation of his ability was far closer to the reality that the greek chorus of “experts”.

      Yes , a non rotation (9-12th man on a decent team) isn’t god awful, just not worthy of much other than the minimum.

    74. Its not a crime against humanity, Bob. Its a crime against common sense. The Knicks weren’t a good team. They weren’t a bad team. They were a terrible team with especially bad, no-upside whatsoever big men. So why not give the one dude who wasn’t completely awful some burn and see how he did. But you were right- Cole could only get rebounds and stuff against scrubs in garbage time.

    75. Take solace wher you might B man, but my estimation of his ability was far closer to the reality that the greek chorus of “experts”.

      You’d be hard pressed to be less accurate in your recollection of the actual debate at the time.

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