Knicks Morning News (2015.03.11)

  • [New York Times] Pelicans 111, Nets 91: Pelicans Top Nets and Gain Ground in Playoff Race (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 05:46:35 GMT)

    New Orleans moved to within two percentage points of Oklahoma City in the chase for the Western Conference’s final playoff spot. The Nets lost their fourth straight.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: James Leads Cavaliers Past Mavericks (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 05:38:27 GMT)

    LeBron James had 27 points, making him one of four players with more than 20 for Cleveland, which has won 12 of its last 13 games against Western Conference opponents.

  • [New York Times] Lakers Snap 5-Game Skid With 93-85 Win Over Pistons (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 05:15:44 GMT)

    Jordan Hill led seven Lakers in double figures with 16 points, and Los Angeles beat the Detroit Pistons 93-85 on Tuesday night to snap a five-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Jazz 87, Knicks 82: Jazz Hold On to Beat the Knicks (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 04:33:26 GMT)

    Derrick Favors had 29 points and 12 rebounds, and Utah won its third straight, tying a season high, as both teams struggled on offense.

  • [New York Times] Jazz Hold Off Pesky Knicks 87-82, Win Streak Up to 3 (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 03:42:56 GMT)

    Derrick Favors had 29 points and 12 rebounds, and the Utah Jazz beat the New York Knicks 87-82 on Tuesday night to tie a season high with their third straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Raptors 117-107 for Sixth Straight Victory (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 03:25:07 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard had 24 points, 11 rebounds and matched a career high with five steals, and the San Antonio Spurs withstood a second-half letdown to beat the Toronto Raptors 117-107 on Tuesday night for their sixth straight victory.

  • [New York Times] No Headband, No Problem: James Helps Cavs Rout Mavs (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 03:22:04 GMT)

    Even without his trademark headband, LeBron James had 27 points and took over sole possession of the Cavaliers’ career assists record as Cleveland beat the Dallas Mavericks 127-94 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Beat Nets, Move Closer to 8th in West (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 02:10:28 GMT)

    Alexis Ajinca and Quincy Pondexter each scored 17 points and the New Orleans Pelicans moved within percentage points of eighth place in the Western Conference by beating the Brooklyn Nets 111-91 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Rout Magic 118-86 for Sixth Straight Win (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 01:36:51 GMT)

    Reserve Rodney Stuckey had 34 points, six rebounds and seven assists, and the Indiana Pacers beat the Orlando Magic 118-86 on Tuesday night for their sixth straight victory.

  • [New York Daily News] Another day, another loss for Knicks, this time to Utah Jazz (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 05:44:05 GMT)

    Phil Jackson’s Bulls averaged 70.5 regular-season wins during back-to-back championship years in the mid-90’s.

  • [New York Post] How letting Amar’e bolt proved to be so lucrative for Dolan (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 05:25:21 -0400)

    SALT LAKE CITY – You can say Knicks owner James Dolan had a heart of gold in letting Amar'e Stoudemire leave the moribund Knicks and join Western Conference title-contender Dallas….

  • [New York Post] Woeful Knicks battle but fall short again in loss to Jazz (Wed, 11 Mar 2015 00:12:03 -0400)

    SALT LAKE CITY — Derek Fisher was booed heavily by Jazz fans during introductions before he coached for the first time at EnergySolutions Arena Tuesday. Nearly a decade ago, Fisher…

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    106 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.11)”

    1. The Place: MSG
      The Time: June 26th, 9:00AM

      We’ve just secured the #1 pick. Phil’s phone rings – it’s Morey. He congratulates Phil and, after some small talk about Phil’s health, Morey offers him Howard and Terence Jones for Towns. Phil doesn’t miss a beat in rejecting this offer. Morey then offers Howard in exchange for 2018 and 2020 draft picks. He tempts PJ by describing a NYK frontcourt of Howard/Towns/Melo. Phil pauses….What should Jax do?

    2. Phil should retire citing ‘health issues’.

      Heh – I predicted you would say he should counter offer Melo instead of the 2 draft picks. Sorry Hoola, pre-empted you.

      More detail – Morey senses Phil’s hesitation and chimes in about the success of that Bynum/Pau frontcourt on the LA chip teams likening it to Howard/Towns. Phil begins to weaken…

    3. Suddenly, a sniper’s laser sight appears squarely on Phil’s forehead; seeing this in the reflection of the window of his midtown highrise, Phil begins sweating profusely.

      “The east is big, man” Morey coos.

      He thinks about size. He thinks about elite post defense. He thinks about Italy. Phil’s thoughts carom about his skull like so many missedBargnani 18 footers.

    4. No more trading of 1st round picks.
      It’s time to trade FOR 1st round picks.
      Trading for Howard is like trading for Kareem today. He may not last longer that Stoudemire in the NBA.

    5. If Shved’s shooting this year is not a mirage, Phil made a good move with the Prigioni trade. He clearly has skills. It’s just his shot and defense that will determine whether he’s an end of the bench player or can contribute in the rotation.

    6. Isn’t Shved a terrible defender by reputation? I tried to look at his fancy defensive stats on the nba page, but our boy Alexey’s page doesn’t exist, which I guess tells you something about the current state of the Knicks roster.

    7. Shved today (200 min)
      TS: 0.561
      WS/48: 0.175

      Shved with Min (>2000 min)
      TS: 0.468
      WS/48: 0.019

      I don’t like any advanced stats for defensive ratings, eye test says he’s mediocre, but these don’t look too great (who knows)

    8. Shved’s stats for this year (which include Houston for a total of 550 minutes) are just fine. He only played 664 minutes last year (where his shooting was the primary issue). The year before that he was a rookie, where his shooting was the major issue. It’s not unheard of for players to improve their shooting over time. In fact, it’s the norm. His recent improvement could be an aberration, but maybe not. If he can sustain a league average TS% to go along with his other skills, IMO he’s a rotation player.

      Individual defense is tougher to measure. I don’t trust on and off court stats at all. Based on the stats I look at, he’s not bad, but I can’t swear to those either.

    9. Shved seems like a mediocre defender at best by eye test and he’s definitely too skinny. His shooting numbers have shown improvement and hes elite at getting to the line. There’s at least a small possibility that he’s a keeper but his cap hold is gonna pose issues in the off-season (something like 4m iirc)

    10. Given where we are as a team, a Shved who could be had for the cheap for the next (say) 2 years and was good on offense and bad on defense would be fine with me. He was allegedly a good shooter in Russia, but hasn’t been in the NBA. If he can just hit 33-35% from 3 he’s probably at least a rotation player.

    11. I’m upping my grade of the Prigioni trade from A to A+. That said, Phil would have to have swigged a bottle of Manischveditz to give Alexey the 4m QO. Word on the street is that Shved was planning to go back to Europe at the end of the season. However, he seems to be an excellent fit in the Triangle so maybe he reconsiders. Phil’s gonna try to convince him to take a 1 year min deal after which we would have Early Bird Rights. Jax would have to commit that he’ll be a part of the rotation and, if it doesn’t work out, he heads east just a year delayed.

    12. You would have dumped LBJ and Durant after their first season because they were both below average. You don’t judge a player by his first year in the NBA; it takes time to become acclimated to the speed and physicality of the NBA. That’s why I don’t really care about Early’s numbers, just that he gets playing time. I’ve always maintained the 3rd year is make or break for a young player (which is why Jax immediately should cease and desist from any pursuit of Reggie Jackson) and why Shved is a bright spot. Maybe he’s turned the corner, maybe not. But a 1 year deal mutually beneficial to both parties is the best way to find out.

    13. he has bad shot selection which in turn has led to horrendous shooting numbers… but all his peripherals (ball handling/rebounding) look ok and in line with his career…

      if his shooting #s hold steady he’s a useful player… hell he might even be worth the cap-hold… the rest of the season will bring more insight but right now he looks like he could be something… stranger things have happened for a 26yo nba player…

    14. I do not think Shved has enough minutes to make a full evaluation. He didn’t play that much over seas and besides his rookie year he hasn’t played a lot. I don’t think the Knicks can waste cap space keeping his bird rights. It would be nice if they can get him on an Aminu or Ed Davis type contract when they came off of their rookie deals.

    15. So there will be no cap smoothing.

      I guess that means the MegaMaxMelo deal doesn’t look quite as awful as it did a few months ago.

    16. There will be no salary cap smoothing.

      For the Knicks, this means:

      1. With a $66 million salary cap next season, and $32 million in committed salary, the Knicks will have $34 million to use this summer. The max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $23.1 million (unless the player is already making more than that) plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran will be $19.8 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for 1-6 year player will be $16.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience).

      2. With a $90 million salary cap in 2016, the max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $31.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran (Kevin Durant, etc.) will be $27 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 1-6 player will be $22.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year.

      3. Just about every team will have enough cap room to offer Kevin Durant a max package during the summer of 2016.

    17. MarvsTeeth – I disagree.

      I defended the Melo Deal when it was announced, because I expected the huge increase in cap space during the out years (you can look at the threads from last summer).

      BUT

      I did not expect Carmelo Anthony to be hobbled by injury for most of the year. Nor did I expect that the rest of the team would be as awful as it was. Nor did I expect that JR Smith would be such a bad fit for the Triangle that it would cost Iman Shumpert to get him off the team.

      So, I feel much worse about the Carmelo Anthony signing than I did in July or even December.

    18. I don’t think the Knicks can waste cap space keeping his bird rights.

      It wouldn’t waste or tie up any cap space. If Shved likes NYK and wants to play here, he and Phil could agree to a 1 year vet min deal this summer. The following summer (2016), NYK would have early bird rights and could go over cap up to league average salary to re-sign him. Any cap hold at that time would be negligible.

    19. So what’s the economist’s view on what different tiers of FAs will do this upcoming offseason, since it is the only one the Knicks will have a competitive advantage during with their ample cap space?

      I suppose the superstars will sign one year deals, or multi-year deals with a year 2 opt-out clause. But what about non-max players? The Wesley Matthews of the world. They won’t be making max money either way, but by waiting they could still get a larger chunk of a team’s budget. Will we see any player with an inkling of talent take only a one year deal? Will teams overpay this year to convince non-max players to sign to a longer term deal so that the player doesn’t feel like he is leaving money on the table by not waiting?

      Twill be a very interesting two years. I expect unprecedented roster turnover across the league.

    20. Middleton, Joseph, Green/Harris, and Ajinca. The knicks should go after young guys and get them locked in for 4 yrs.

    21. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience)

      Not even 2 RFA players at 15.8m each. 66m – [Melo + Calderon + top 4 pick cap hold + cap hold on other roster spots] > 32m.

    22. It wouldn’t waste or tie up any cap space. If Shved likes NYK and wants to play here, he and Phil could agree to a 1 year vet min deal this summer. The following summer (2016), NYK would have early bird rights and could go over cap up to league average salary to re-sign him. Any cap hold at that time would be negligible.

      I think players have to play two years to get early bird rights and if the renounce Shved annd then sign him to a min that would reset his bird rights time. I believe it is possible for teams to renounce players to make room for impending restricted free agents and if the offer is match the team is allowed to void the renouncement and then sign him using his birds rights as long as it fits under the cap.

    23. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience)

      Not even 2 RFA players at 15.8m each. 66m – [Melo + Calderon + top 4 pick cap hold + cap hold on other roster spots] > 32m.

      What if they trade/cut Calderon and trade Hardaway? Also, I’d imagine Galloway, Early, and Thanassis will be on the books too.

    24. Under the current CBA, there are no more multiple options. At most, the last year of a contract can be a team or player option. So, a player cannot get the security of a 4 year deal with the option to opt-out after two years (like Lebron did in Miami – 6 year deal with last two years being player options).

      A team can essentially create an option for itself by making later years in a contract non-guaranteed.

      @Zanzibar – I forgot to account for the top 4 pick cap hold. You are correct.

    25. I wonder how this affects Paul Millsap. On the one hand he is kind of too old to sign a 2yr(player option) contract and chase the 2016 money but on the other hand teams could pay him a lot this summer and not worry because of the cap increase .

    26. I think players have to play two years to get early bird rights and if the renounce Shved annd then sign him to a min that would reset his bird rights time.

      You may be right but I don’t think there is any official renouncement here. So long as the RFA doesn’t sign an offer sheet, it’s my understanding that a team and the RFA may agree on a salary lower than the QO and, in this case, the vet min would then become cap hit. The 4m QO would be the cap hold until NYK and Shved sign the vet min contract. I don’t believe bird rights would be reset in this scenario but maybe Ephus knows.

    27. I bet Atlanta gives him a 4 year Max deal. A $24 million/year salary will look like a bargain in 2016.

      MMMII

      Mega Max Millsap.

    28. i dont understand the notion that you have to maximize melo’s peak and thus trading the pick makes sense.. we have 13-14 roster spots in the air… there is no quick fix…

    29. It’s too early to say Shved is a pretty bad player, but it’s not too early to give up on Hardaway. Funny.

      Regarding Shved, in this his third season in 550 minutes, he’s got a .149 WS/48 and .546 TS% on 25.8% usage. I don’t know how anyone could categorically state he’s a terrible player unless you give the same weight to his rookie season as the current one. How does that make any sense, not just because of the acclimation period but also because you know the main reasons for his improvement are attacking the rim more and a significantly lower turnover rate. Better to be agnostic about the guy at this stage…unless, of course, you’re only interested in bashing every move Jax has made.

      Regarding Timmy, I don’t really want to trade him (next year would be his make-or-break season) but if it’s required to unload Calderon in order to sign Corey Joseph or Danny Green, I’d do it. It looks like a lot of his problems on defense are due to poor lateral movement and I’m not sure that’s correctable.

    30. It’s too early to say Shved is a pretty bad player, but it’s not too early to give up on Hardaway. Funny.

      Hardaway has actually played more NBA minutes than Shved but really I think some people can’t see one area of the game that Hardaway excels at. IDK.

    31. I think the answer is that Hardaway is bad at everything, while Shved can be average in some stats.

      That’s just a sad exemple how bad the current state of our roster is.

    32. Tim Hardaway got on that team b/c pointz. Being on an all-rookie team doesn’t provide any objective measure of performance. Timmy sucks, and he’s really bad at things guys very rarely improve on

    33. You’re looking at their abilities in a vacuum instead of their current contract situation. I haven’t written Timmy off and would prefer to give him another year but I would rather have Corey Joseph or Danny Green than Calderon/Timmy. We have to include a sweetener(s) for some team to take Calderon. Including Shved as a sweetener in any Calderon dump is not possible because of his contract.

      Is there any area of the game that Shved excels at?

      He’s elite in terms of FTr, one of the top players in the league. That’s a very useful characteristic for a second team guy.

    34. The difference is that Hardaway is terrible at everything and way worse than cole or shved and has no discernible talents and should be traded before other teams realize he’s objectively terrible at basketball. Shved has some talents that are worth taking a second look at. The fact that you ignore any obvious argument or facts to the contrary is absurdly annoying

    35. I won’t even comment on your claim that it’s better to get rid of Hardaway because Shved’s contract is much worse.

      It’s technically not possible to include Shved in a Calderon dump unless he agrees to a S&T.

      Are you saying you wouldn’t sign Shved to a 1 year vet min contract? A guy who just posted a .149 WS/48 (average is .100 WS/48)?

    36. Tim Hardaway, this season, has been below average at literally everything but turnovers and fouls. He’s also atrocious on defense. Tell me why we should keep him?

    37. Marcus Camby was 65 years old. Do you even look at stats?


      Marcus Camby was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time John Calipari came in . I said John you coached Camby, just between me and you, how old is Marcus? You know what John told me, he said “Hey, Marcus Camby is 137 years old.” A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

    38. uh steve novak’s still good and had several >.190 WS/48 seasons, which even though his atrocious defense isn’t totally accounted for, is nothing to scoff at.

      you literally spew shit and then assume it as fact. Steve Novak is better than almost any player on our team despite his very particular set of skills. Just because you straw man and have opinions doesn’t thereby entail that your opinions have any value or even semantic content. You don’t even have the privilege of being wrong.

    39. Novak was 28. He didn’t suck, and we were stupid to trade him for Bargs. What’s that got to do with 38 year old Camby or Tim Hardaway?

    40. incoming post about politeness and avoiding ad hominem that further illustrates that the poster doesn’t realize that being aggressively moronic but still “sticking to the arguments” in some loose sense still qualifies you to be insulted by the community that you in no way contribute to.

    41. Shved is the flavor of the day. Early was a very nice prospect, a great Knick find…before he started playing. Cole had his moment. Prigioni was loved by fans while he was here. Acy was pretty popular for 10 minutes in December. Galloway was a gem until like a week ago. It’s Shved’s turn.

      You know what all of those players (except for Early, who I don’t think was ever referred to as a “great Knick find”) have in common? They’re good at something(s). Hardaway just isn’t.

    42. No one on this forum likes you, you know nothing about basketball, clean up either act and maybe we won’t have to rehash the above two facts every single thread

    43. Your argument is beyond incoherent dude. Shved has played well in 550 minutes this season. It’s worth seeing if he can continue to do so, so long as we can re-sign him for the minimum. What about that do you dispute?

    44. He was elected to the Rookie 1st Team a few months ago. They must have seen something in him, just the way you guys see something in Shved.

      What a lot of people see in Shved is at least thus far backed up by advanced statistics. What coaches saw in Hardaway was backed up by PPG and literally nothing else.

    45. he’s saying we’re hypocritical for not assuming the same about hardaway when shved and hardaway are vastly different cases and in doing so reinforces his illusory persecution complex as the Cassandra of this board.

    46. Shved is the flavor of the day. Early was a very nice prospect, a great Knick find…before he started playing. Cole had his moment. Prigioni was loved by fans while he was here. Acy was pretty popular for 10 minutes in December. Galloway was a gem until like a week ago. It’s Shved’s turn.

      Were you around when people here compared Landry Fields to Grant Hill? No joke.
      People on this forum change their opinions on players quicker than the wind changes directions. And very adamant about it both ways.

    47. Were you around when people here compared Landry Fields to Grant Hill? No joke.
      People on this forum change their opinions on players quicker than the wind changes directions. And very adamant about it both ways.

      Landry Fields was a very productive player who ceased to be so when he suffered nerve damage in his elbow…I don’t understand what any of these anecdotes have to do with Shved or Hardaway or anything at all.

    48. I have no problem with someone saying Shved is likely not very good. That’s an argument you could back up. Saying Tim Hardaway is good because he played in a rookie star game is dumb. Comparing a fantastic player like Marcus Camby’s precipitous age related collapse to Alexey Shved is useless.

      Incidently, I shit on Hardaway when we drafted him. I shit on Hardaway when Woodson inexplicably gave him big minutes. I’ve complained about his horrible rebounding, passing and defense for two years. So no, I’m not criticizing Timmy because its the cool thing to do. I’m criticizing him because his statistical record shows he’s an extremely unproductive NBA player

    49. sry captain luke but you keep moving the goalposts so it’s hard to keep track of your (non)argument. It’s not that we think that you think hardaway is good bc he got voted into a rookie game; it would be more right to say that the stats backing up shved and the rookie game endorsement of hardaway are not commensurate in evidentiary rigor and value–that is, the stats are way more valuable a metric than someone’s appearance in the rising star game. So no, we’re not the same as people who thought Hardaway was good and so voted him into the rookie game because we actually look at stats which the people who voted clearly did not, or did so in a way as to effectively ignore them. Our argument for shved is far more valid and far more sound than anyone’s argument for Hardaway. Which is why your argument that we’re no better than Hardaway voters is incoherent and dumb.

    50. That was only 11 months ago. Can we just be patient, guys?

      Hardaway sucks. no question about it.

      If Timmy sucks, why should we keep him? And if we shouldn’t keep him, why should we be patient with him?

    51. No one on this forum likes you, you know nothing about basketball . . .

      That’s just plain ignorant.

    52. That’s just plain ignorant.

      if people arent going to put in the time to be intellectually forthcoming theres no reason to respect their opinion on a board dedicated to argumentation, statistical analysis, and intelligent fandom. People like you and capt luke undermine the purpose of this board and lower the bar of discussion to something I could get on an ESPN comment board; all the while insinuating or outright asserting that people who disagree with you know nothing about basketball or are somehow brainwashed–except then you hide behind some bullshit “etiquette” that you selectively apply to make it seem like you’re the mature ones (if only to yourselves). Unlike you two, I cut the foreplay. Either you’re disingenuous (captain luke) or thick (you) or both (capt luke). Or you could say one intelligent thing before you cry “oh no the mindless clique is terrorizing our brilliant outcast basketball minds!” and avoid getting flamed. Or cease parading your room temperature IQs for everyone to see and leave the forum. Pick one.

    53. What if Morey calls and wants to discuss a trade for Carmelo?

      THCJ already told Phil what to do if Morey calls.

    54. “If you read the thread, you will see what my point is. I have made it several times, but the noise of a couple of childish posters (pretending to talk for everyone else) dilutes the content.”

      They can talk for me.

      hoolahoop and Captain Luke. Perfect together.

    55. I am 29 yo and been a Knicks fan since Penny arrived in Broadway. Just did some research about the 90s Knicks and Ewing.
      I am just quite disappointed how we lose to Houston. That is so close. If Ewing won a title his legacy will be a notch higher. The 2000s Ewing trade is also dumb. Lose lose scenario.
      Hope our front office will be a genius this time. The best thing about now is we a have the tools (draft, money, etc) to be a competitive team in the years to come. Lets just hope that PJ will not ruin it because every decision moving forward could me a decade of mediocrity or a decade of a winning culture. As Knicks fan, I am excited and hopeful.

    56. Camby was the best NBA per-minute rebounder the previous year

      When he was thirty fucking seven. Guys who are that old can not be relied on to play well year to year. It has nothing to do with Shved or Hardaway. Shved is not likely to improve. Right now, I would not sign him for next season, even on a one year deal. However, if he plays as well as he’s playing for the rest of the season, it’s worth a shot. If we kept Hardawy for next year, it’s not a team killer, but the things he’s really bad at are things that most basketball players don’t improve as they mature. Guys who don’t rebound and don’t get steals almost never become good rebounders or start picking off passes. So even if his scoring improves (and it’s a decent bet that it will), he still will be a bad basketball player, and that’s why it would be best to get rid of him if we can get some sort of asset or use him to move Calderon.

    57. Fact is when those comments were made, those players were terrible, but people cited those meaningless stats to defend the object of their adulation.

      What the hell are you talking about? Every single one of those players had a different specific situation. Throwing them all together as if they all represent some kind of monolithic thought process coming from this board makes no sense. All of those players had their supporters and detractors.

      Those players also had varying degrees of success with this team, by the way, and grouping them all together as if they all fit into the same narrow category of failed players who were adored on this board is disingenuous and revisionist.

      Novak played major minutes for our best team in ages. Cole has actually been decent in 715 minutes this year (.131 WP48, .089 WS48). Calderon has mostly sucked. Camby was injured, like a lot of people expected him to be. In what way do these players make up some kind of pattern that Alexey Shved is allegedly following?

    58. Captain luke literally thinks that marcus cambys per 36 rebounding numbers not holding up qualifies as proof that per 36 stats are somehow bogus and that stats are just tools used by ideologues to reinforce their egos and are ultimately meaningless. He actually implied that per 36 stats are useless because of a 37 year old Camby. Just take that all in.

    59. But camby being 37 and totally finished did not prevent his admirers from citing his meaningless “accomplishment” to justify his acquisition, the same way they cite some meaningless stat to “prove” Shved is not the terrible player the NBA has seen for 3 years.

      Having a long track record of being really good at playing in the NBA is a meaningless when evaluating NBA players? What the fuck are you even talking about? Camby was a terrific basketball player, right until the point where he got old and couldn’t get on the court anymore. Anyone his age is a risk. If you’d said at the time something like “Camby has been a terrific player, but he’s too old and the risk of collapse is too high to trade for him”, that would have been fine. And it turns out you would have been spot on.

    60. ” Novak was one of the “best pure shooters in the NBA” ”

      Novak lead the NBA in 3pt% in his first season with the Knicks. In his Knicks career he made 45% of his 3pters. Why in the world was Novak brought into this “conversation” and done so in a negative aspect?? I miss the discount double-check.

    61. Why in the world was Novak brought into this “conversation” and done so in a negative aspect??

      Because the players being thrown into this directionless drivel by Captain Luke don’t actually represent any kind of pattern. There is no rhyme or reason here. Trying to make sense out of anything he is saying is pointless because I don’t even think he could articulate whatever argument he is trying to put forth.

    62. I believe his point was people basically cherry-picking certain stats to make a player look good even though they really suck. But leading the NBA in 3pt% is not cherry-picking, thats a pretty damn solid attribute to have as an NBA player.

    63. but nick young is infinitely more entertaining than either of them; i prefer to think of them more as andrea bargnani and jason smith–like bargs hoola is often painfully, unintentionally hilarious. captain luke, like jason smith, just has zero redeeming qualities–he’s a budget Bargs.

    64. OKC is in big trouble if KD doesn’t get back soon.

      Have Paul and Jordan been the best duo in the league this year? I can’t think of a better big 2

    65. If you mean guard big man duo then I think yes, no question. But otherwise a case could be made for curry + klay or kd + russ. Still think it’s cp3 and jordan though, they’re crazy together–offensively and defensively.

    66. KD has been hurt too much. Curry and Klay a good shout though.

      The Clippers have Barnes and Reddick, who are solid pros, and then its just awful. I’m talking dudes who wouldn’t get play on the Knicks level bad. And they might win 50 games

    67. Klay has quietly been not that good for the last 6 weeks. DeAndre and CP have been killing it.

    68. To expand, Klays hitting at a TS of 53% over the last 20 games. He brings more than scoring to the table, but he’s not playing at an elite level these days. Kerr might want to tell him to take a week in Miami

    69. Re: HARDAWAY, ALL-ROOKIE FIRST TEAM #spacing
      2013-14 All-Rookie Team

      M.C. Williams
      Oladipo
      Burke
      Plumlee
      Hardaway Jr.
      Olynik
      Antetokounmpo
      Dieng
      Zeller
      Adams

      2013-14 PPG, rookies

      M.C. Williams
      Oladipo
      Burke
      Hardaway
      McLemore
      Olynyk
      Daniels
      Kelly
      Plumlee

      I mean just sayin

      #spacing
      #shotcreation
      #someonegottatakethemshots

    70. 90 million cap…. is a bigger deal than winning the draft lottery.. by far. I saw just one post from Ephus. Nothing about the lockout implications….

    71. 90 million cap this year would have been huge. 90 million cap next year is still good, no doubt about it, but much less of an impact, since Melo’s going to be 32 when the Knicks add whoever they add in 2016 (the same time every other team in the NBA gets that same boost in their cap, so it’s not like the Knicks will have more room than most other teams).

      But yes, it’s definitely a good thing for the Knicks (and other big markets like the Lakers).

    72. The most optimistic way I can look at it is this; the Knicks were able to build a 54 win team with Stoudemire taking up a somewhat significantly larger portion of the cap than Melo’s mega max salary will with the expanded cap. So even if Melo provides next to nothing, some savvy signings and drafting could give us something resembling a contender.

      Having said that, Grunwald was probably our best GM of the past few years as Phil has yet to show (albeit with limited opportunities) that he’s capable of doing something like that.

    73. I remember a debate in this forum before if we will opt for Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan.

      Playing with a great PG is really important for DeAndre Jordan, and we are unlikely to get one in FA.

    74. My guess is that the only difference on draft day between what Phil will start with and what and other GM would have done (remembering that Dolan owns the team) is having Calderon instead of JR. Whatever any other GM would have done better is cancelled out by our unexpected lottery status. So Phil’s job begins in July. Unless you truly believe that the Melo deal is a franchise killer, and that another GM would have let him walk (or done some kind of sign and trade that we aren’t sure was out there) then his grade right now is an INC.

    75. I have to say the situation in Denver gets me worried a bit. That team started playing again as they were used to do BEFORE hiring Brian Shaw, who you might recognize as a Phil alumnus. Yes, Brian Shaw went completely nuts this season and lost his team very early along the road, but geez, Triangle/Phil alumni seem to fail spectacularly everywhere (while depressing the value of every single player on their teams… do you remember the Kurt Rambis-Kevin Love absurdity?).

      I’m getting worried more and more about Fisher (who at least hasn’t lost his team, but then again, what team are we talking about here? These guys are hopefully all gone save for a few).

    76. Oh and by the way: Shved is horrible at shooting selection and quite bad at defending, but he (differently from THJr) can bring something to the table. He knows what to do with the ball most of the time, so in a backup PG/SG role for 10 minutes he could be a keeper. That’s only if he keeps on playing quite good.

    77. I have to say the situation in Denver gets me worried a bit. That team started playing again as they were used to do BEFORE hiring Brian Shaw, who you might recognize as a Phil alumnus. Yes, Brian Shaw went completely nuts this season and lost his team very early along the road, but geez, Triangle/Phil alumni seem to fail spectacularly everywhere (while depressing the value of every single player on their teams… do you remember the Kurt Rambis-Kevin Love absurdity?).

      The Brian Shaw fit was always turr-ble. I couldn’t believe how much they fucked themselves. As we have sadly learned (and so have the Lakers), the sons of rich guys don’t make for good owners.

      That said, a little bit of their recent play seems to be less about Shaw and more about Gallo slowly but surely returning to health. He was a huge part of their 57-win team (once he went down, their offense went into the shitter, as teams could just load up on Lawson).

    78. My guess is that the only difference on draft day between what Phil will start with and what and other GM would have done (remembering that Dolan owns the team) is having Calderon instead of JR. Whatever any other GM would have done better is cancelled out by our unexpected lottery status. So Phil’s job begins in July. Unless you truly believe that the Melo deal is a franchise killer, and that another GM would have let him walk (or done some kind of sign and trade that we aren’t sure was out there) then his grade right now is an INC.

      I really don’t know what another GM would have done, but yes, I agree that since all of Jackson’s moves have been built around this offseason, it is only fair to give him this offseason to show that he has a plan.

    79. That said, a little bit of their recent play seems to be less about Shaw and more about Gallo slowly but surely returning to health. He was a huge part of their 57-win team (once he went down, their offense went into the shitter, as teams could just load up on Lawson).

      True that. But if you have seen some of their recent games, you couldn’t help but wonder where did that energy went before… And again, that seems like a common issue with every “Triangle son” coached team. But maybe it’s just my worry.

    80. It is going to take some time to understand the lockout implications for 2017 of the jump to a $92 million cap in 2016. Since the salary cap will still be set at 51% of BRI (up from 50% because revenue has exceeded expectations by so much), the owners will still be making serious coin at that level.

      The other question is whether the players would actually try to strike to get back above 51%. I doubt it, because (in terms of % of productive career duration) a work stoppage always takes more away from the players than the owners (who can keep owning until they are old and senile (Tom Benson, allegedly)).

      I was trained by Michelle Roberts while I was in law school. I am certain that she has much more on the ball than Billy Hunter did in 2011.

    81. Shaw’s flameout in Denver was probably just a bad fit re: personality and roster for the system he was trying to run, but there is no question that prospective FAs will hear about how badly the triangle has done anytime Phil wasn’t the coach and there weren’t 1-2 top 50 players of all time running it.

      Phil really has an uphill battle this offseason even being flush with cash to spend. Fish has about 20 games left to show how he is going to modernize the system to appeal to a new generation of players. Phil last coached just 5 years ago, but the league has changed a fair amount since then. One saving grace is that it feels like Fish is highly respected around the league by all the players, young and old alike.

    82. Re: trading the pick – I think if Towns is not available then I would be open to trading the pick. that doesn’t mean I WANT to trade the pick, it just means I’d listen. If someone makes a godfather offer that blows us out of the water…?

    83. Triangle/Phil alumni seem to fail spectacularly everywhere

      Coaches not named Phil Jackson who have implemented the triangle have a combined record of 185-625. (That’s a .222 winning percentage over 10 seasons). At what point do we credit Jordan, Shaq, Kobe et al and not the triangle for Phil Jackson’s success as a coach?

    84. @Donnie

      Exactly. I’m starting to think that the Triangle is more a way of life than a real coaching strategy. That’s like saying: “Hey! Scrap heap guys! This system will guarantee that you touch the ball now and then, so hustle your ass off and you’ll be rewarded”, which is a good idea, ok, but only if you have true superstars (which for example Melo is not). Let’s say it is an antidote to hero-ball temptations for great players.

    85. I see the Triangle differently. It is not an “antidote to hero ball” – it creates the opportunity for stars to become heroes. Let me explain.

      The key to the Triangle is ball movement, which is designed to make each defender stay true to his man. One of the three options on each catch of the ball is for the ballhandler to immediately dribble drive. If he is being single covered, a great player should have a tremendous advantage on the dribble drive. In fact, when Carmelo catches at the elbow and is single covered, he is tremendous at getting to the (below the) rim. Both Jordan and Kobe would make opponents pay for single coverage by either getting to the rim (in their younger years) or having great fadeaway elbow jumpers (in the older years).

      For the Knicks, the Triangle has not worked because the offense has not forced opponents to single cover Carmelo. To the contrary, he often found multiple defenders in his way, especially when he caught the ball in the corner.

      There were brief moments when we saw the power of the Triangle. I think that for it to truly work, the Knicks need (1) a true low post threat (Okafor?, Towns?) and (2) disciplined wing players who are threats to catch-and-shoot or swing the ball quickly. Also, they need Carmelo to be healthy.

    86. I was trained by Michelle Roberts while I was in law school. I am certain that she has much more on the ball than Billy Hunter did in 2011.

      Roberts has been doing a great job based around one very simple concept. She doesn’t just cave in for no reason. It’s fascinating to watch the owners scrambling over the players not accepting their smoothing offer. An offer that doesn’t include any incentives for the players to take the offer. Just a general, “We know what’s best for you, so take the smoothing.” If they said, for instance, we’ll give you smoothing and we’ll raise BRI to, say, 52%, the players would take smoothing. The owners were offering nothing!!!

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