Knicks Morning News (2015.01.14)

  • [New York Post] Fisher: Work ethic not reason why Hardaway is struggling (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:37:38 -0500)

    LONDON — After Tuesday's practice at Imperial College, Tim Hardaway Jr. made a promotional appearance for adidas. That looks to be the only place he is gaining traction. As the…

  • [New York Post] Great Britain not betting on Knicks — but it’s not for the reason you think (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:16:38 -0500)

    LONDON — There are 2,700 Ladbrokes betting parlors in Great Britain, but not one is taking any action on the Knicks-Bucks NBA contest at O2 Arena Thursday. Ray, a Ladbrokes…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Stopping skid is top priority (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 04:31:55 GMT)

    There will be time to check out the sights, but trying to win a game vs. the Bucks at O2 Arena is the primary focus for the Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Heat Hold Off Kobe, Lakers 78-75 Without Wade (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:06:50 GMT)

    With Dwyane Wade in the locker room and Chris Bosh enduring a nightmare of a shooting night, the Miami Heat still found the defensive moxie to finish an unlikely Staples Center sweep.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Rally Late, Beat Kings 108-104 in OT (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 06:12:57 GMT)

    Monta Ellis scored six of his 28 points in overtime and added 10 assists, and the Dallas Mavericks beat the Sacramento Kings 108-104 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] James’ 33 in Return Not Enough, Cavs Lose Sixth Straight (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:58:17 GMT)

    LeBron James rejoined the Cavaliers and brought a lot of excitement with him.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Timberwolves Use Mo Williams’s 52 Points to End 15-Game Skid (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:41:15 GMT)

    Williams, a veteran point guard, had the highest point total in the N.B.A. this season, going 19 of 33 from the field in a victory over Indiana.

  • [New York Times] Mo Williams Scores 52, Wolves Top Pacers to End 15-Game Skid (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 04:27:12 GMT)

    Mo Williams could sense what was happening and knew the Indiana Pacers couldn’t stop it. He told them that, too.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Storm Past 76ers 105-87 for 9th Straight Win (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:39:24 GMT)

    Dominique Wilkins slapped Al Horford on his back during a brief locker room chat and dished out a few kind words.

  • [New York Times] Wall Scores 25; Wizards End 17-Game Skid vs Spurs, 101-93 (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 02:46:09 GMT)

    John Wall broke yet another personal 0-for-forever streak, this one against an entire team, scoring 25 points with eight assists Tuesday night in a 101-93 win over the San Antonio Spurs that gave him his first taste of success against the reigning NBA champs.

  • [New York Times] Mikhail Prokhorov Is Said to Be Seeking Potential Buyers for Nets (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:44:27 GMT)

    Prokhorov, who owns 80 percent of the team and 45 percent of its arena, would have a chance to turn his $223 million investment into a profit of $1 billion or more.

  • [New York Times] James Set to Return Against Suns After 2-Week Absence (Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:39:33 GMT)

    After a two-week absence, LeBron James was back in the Cleveland lineup when the Cavaliers met the Phoenix Suns on Tuesday night.

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    84 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.01.14)”

    1. Did you see the Bron shove to Blatt? This is exactly the reason I don’t love the guy. He’s (or maybe was) obviously the best, but when things go south he starts acting like a fucking primadonna, and his teammates know that.

      Farfa I know you were driving the Blatt bandwagon preseason, so I assume you had some knowledge of his overseas work. I’m curious what his strengths as a coach were because when I watch the Cavs I see what is by far one of the worst coached teams in the league. Lebron is far from blameless in the mess they have there, and pushing your coach is never smart but…

      Their defensive scheme is a mess. Trying to do Miami style hedging high on the floor against the P&R requires really tight rotations. Trying to do it with the group of weak defenders they have when none of them has played together is asinine.

      Their offensive scheme is a mess. They haven’t found creative ways to use two of the most versatile offensive players in the league in Love and Lebron. They’re basically running Mike Brown’s 2009 Cleveland offense – no secondary actions, no deception, just one guy dribbling out top and a 2nd guy coming to set a screen with other players dotting the perimeter. So bad.

      The rotations are a mess. Love has been far from great this year, but benching him for James Jones is simply not smart. I can see withdrawing him for defense to make a statement, but in the 4th quarter when you need a bucket not having him out there is just simply incorrect.

      Terrible plays out of timeouts. Inability to get along with his star players (not only the Lebron push, but his odd comments about Love’s contract the other day). Inability to get his team to consistently play hard.

      To me he looks like he’s in the running with Fisher and Corbin (anybody who hasn’t seen Ziller’s piece today, it’s worth a click) for worst coach in the league, and maybe leading the race. What were his strengths perceived as?

    2. The crazy thing about Corbin is that this is his second shot at a coaching gig. Don’t get me wrong, I thought Corbin was going to be a good coach when he took the Utah job, so the first time around made sense, but it was painfully obvious in Utah that he was terrible and then he gets another chance to suck? The NBA can be so dumb sometimes.

    3. Tom Ziller’s one of the top basketball writers out there. He currently writes for SBNation. He’s sort of like Zach Lowe (although Lowe is probably better between the two).

    4. Oh, goddamnit, the Jets hired Chan fucking Gailey to be their offensive coordinator. Can’t I root for one team that shows some creative thinking?

    5. So Prokhorov is gonna sell the Nets and probably double his money. This for basically being an absentee owner who paid a ridiculous amount of luxury tax to assemble a flawed team of over the hill “stars.” And now the Nets are the only team in the NBA in a worse position going forward than the Knicks.

      It really is true, the rich get richer, despite themselves.

    6. Terrible plays out of timeouts. Inability to get along with his star players (not only the Lebron push, but his odd comments about Love’s contract the other day). Inability to get his team to consistently play hard.

      http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236252/Cavs-Openly-Talk-About-Coaching-Issues-With-Opposing-Players-Personnel

      He certainly has not gotten along his players, and that is an important reason for the dysfunction of the team. Perhaps european coaches are not used to handle big egos. Cleveland is not an ideal team, either. Lots of new players (look how LeBron’s teams in Miami started), bad defense (both in the perimeter and in the post), bad health of the lone center (Varejao)….

    7. The LeBron-Blatt shove was to prevent Blatt from getting a technical for being on the court. And Blatt’s comment about Love’s contract was harmless in context; Blatt’s seemed confused by the question. He was only saying that Love’s contract isn’t actually a max contract, so by that definition he’s not a max player. The Cavs definitely have a lot of problems, but these “incidents” are just media-fueled click bait. I still think they can figure it out. Shump, JR, and Mozgoz fill the holes on their teams nicely.

    8. The best thing the Cavs have going for them is that the rest of the East is filled with teams with major holes, as well. Toronto’s defense is terribe and Derrick Rose is not back to normal yet (and may never be back to normal). I guess Atlanta might be legit, but if Atlanta is the best team in the conference, then that has to give you some hope, right?

    9. Blatt doesn’t seem to be using K Love properly on offense, and if he’s not scoring, he’s not going to outplay his weak defense. If you’re giving shots to Dion Waiters and JR Swish instead of Love, you’re doing it wrong.

      Atlanta is for real.

    10. The thing I don’t get about Blatt is that if they hired him to coach a Lebron-less team, he seems like a terrible fit there, as well. Blatt and Irving do not seem to go together.

    11. Let’s say Cavs go out in first round, Love opts out — if Knicks could have any of these three, is it clearly Love? Gasol, Love, Lamarcus Aldridge? Love probably wins out on age, but I’d take Aldridge

    12. “but I’d take Aldridge”
      You want to make Jowles’s head explode by making him watch Aldridge hoisting up “the least efficient shot in basketball” about nine times a game?? Now that I think about it, his posts after Knicks losses will be fun reading. Let’s go for Aldridge!

    13. Love may be the best player, but both Love and Aldridge synergize terribly with Carmelo. So Gasol. We need players who can play defense.

    14. Lamarcus Aldridge might be the single worst player in the NBA to pair with Melo. It would be really funny to listen to people come up with reasons why our offense is mediocre despite having two “amazing scorers” though.

    15. @Johnno: Totally agree.

      Seriously though, the ENTIRE offseason is gonna depend COMPLETELY on a halftime during the conference finals. IF we win the Lottery we may not be talking about Gasol at all, and if we get completely hosed and land 4 or worse, we may not be talking anyone at all and just be getting set for grinding another horrible season with no first to look forward to. Thank the Gods for the Islanders.

    16. Am I the only one who thinks blowing the majority of our cap space on a 30 year old Marc Gasol is a bad idea? He’s a solid player for sure but I have to think he’s a bit overrated. Their defense is actually 2.5 points per 100 possessions better with him off the floor (which I don’t think means much on its own, but does have to be considered) and he’s never been a very good rebounder. He scores efficiently enough but he’s no offensive juggernaut. To me signing him to the max would be a page straight out of the old Knicks playbook that we all hoped was getting thrown away with the arrival of Phil.

      I would much rather distribute the space among younger possibly undervalued guys. Cory Joseph, Draymond Green, Wes Matthews, Patrick Beverly, and Brandan Wright come to mind.

    17. I’ve been saying that since last year, noblefacehumper. I can see maxing a 30 year old injury prone big man if you’re a big man away from title contention. For us tho? Hell no.

    18. If someone offered me a button that, when pressed, caused a random person in the world to die, but then the Knicks would get Joseph, Draymond, and Matthews for <= 24m I'd probably do it.

    19. I wasn’t saying that it’s feasible to get all of those guys, just that they’re the kind of player we should be targeting. Not 30 year old injury prone probably overrated players. We have one of those already ;)

    20. “Tristan Thompson turned down a 4 year, 52 million dollar extension? Is he on meth?”
      If he turned down $13 million per, I think that we all need to recalibrate what the Knicks will be able to get with $25-$30 million in cap space. We can’t even afford two Tristan Thompsons? Wow.
      Cool stat I just read — at 25.4%, Derrick Rose is on pace to have the lowest 3 point shooting percentage of anyone ever shooting more than 5 3’s a game.

    21. well isnt thompson getting that contract because he’s part of lebron’s talent agency so one of the terms of lebrons contract in cleveland was probably a handshake agreement to give TT a big extension (that he turned down, which is the funny/confusing part)? thats what it looks like to me at least.

    22. Tristan Thompson is an okay player. He’s a big man who can rebound well and score a bit. . .I get that’s a rare thing in the NBA. And he seems to be the only Cav to be doing better playing with Lebron. But he plays no defense either, and he’s got a half season long track record of above average play. That’s a max guy now?

    23. Derrick Rose is on pace to have the lowest 3 point shooting percentage of anyone ever shooting more than 5 3’s a game.

      Melo + Calderon for Rose + Gibson

    24. HOLY SHIT?!. We are going to keep calling this the worst contract in the NBA? The cap is supposed to go up by at least 15 mil in the next two seasons. Mediocrre players will soon have worse contracts. Melo’s contract is fine in the long term.

      Furthermore Derrick Rose’s has been worse so far

      5yr 94 mil

      missed all but 10 games in the first 2 years and this is year 3. He will be making 20 mil next year.

    25. If someone offered me a button that, when pressed, caused a random person in the world to die, but then the Knicks would get Joseph, Draymond, and Matthews for <= 24m I'd probably do it.

      How is comment 23 not deleted? Sorry, it’s appalling.

      It’s probably a reference to this modern Twilight Zone episode.

    26. Tristan Thompson turned down a 4 year, 52 million dollar extension? Is he on meth?

      Is Cavs front office on meth also? They gave Varejao a 1 year extension and then a month later he’s toast. And now Thompson. They could have gone over cap in both these cases (Bird Rights and RFA match) so they were premature. This could be a major problem if Love bolts. They’d have bloated or useless contracts where if they’d wait and Love leaves, they might have some free cap.

      Maybe this works in our favor. Dump Melo, sign Draymond and Okafor or Towns. And then…are you ready for this… LBJ and Durant take their talents to MSG in summer of 2016.

    27. I would probably trade Rose for Melo straight up right now. That goes for Derrick, Malik, Justin or Leon.

    28. @2

      Tsam, sorry for commenting late, I had work to do and then I went to watch Gone Girl with my lady (great movie, by the way. Super performance by Rosamund Pike and Emily Ratajkowski’s chest).

      Blatt was awesome in Europe because he could mesh all sorts of different players and get them to play at their best in every single stop of his coaching career. Very adaptable, very smart, sorta charismatic and always one or two steps ahead of the other coaches.

      The great difference here is that he’s apparently unable to prove himself worthy to be listened by his players. I honestly don’t understand what he’s doing in Cleveland. I guess the main reason he is failing in the NBA is that he doesn’t know the League. He’s not accustomed to be a nobody and he’s painfully slow to elaborate gameplans with some usefulness in the NBA. He should have gone the Messina route. Get a few associate head coach seasons under your belt before trying to be a head coach. Also he seems unable to manage egos. You have to know that in Europe egos are pretty much inexistent, at least at the top level. It’s not unusual to see the best players of the best teams play 20ish minutes night in and night out, with averages of 12-5-3, and nobody complains. Here, only Pop got something out of that approach. Completely different philosophies at work.

      Blatt would have failed here in NYC, and I was super wrong in advocating him as head coach of the Knicks.

    29. HOLY SHIT?!. We are going to keep calling this the worst contract in the NBA?

      Well, I mean, it at least arguably is. And we’ve been calling it that for maybe two days? Melo’s on a shitty contract man. I don’t know what to tell you.

    30. missed all but 10 games in the first 2 years and this is year 3.

      key words: year 3. Doesn’t really matter how bad he’s played. He could be injured for the rest of his contract and I’d still make that trade.

    31. The cap is supposed to go up by at least 15 mil in the next two seasons. Mediocrre players will soon have worse contracts. Melo’s contract is fine in the long term.

      If the cap increases and players do start getting these contracts, Melo won’t have the worst contract in the league. But right now, IMO, he has the worst contract in the league. (wouldn’t be so bad without the no-trade clause)

    32. Well, I mean, it at least arguably is. And we’ve been calling it that for maybe two days? Melo’s on a shitty contract man. I don’t know what to tell you.

      I mean just because its for alot of money doesnt make it a bad contract. Gerald Wallace is horrid deal, Eric Gordon etc.

      It is what it is at this point like i said yesterday you and your ilk think Melo is “poop” so any deal looks bad lol

    33. I am not saying that I would rather have Eric Gordon than Melo signed for 4 years after this year. I am saying that I would MUCH rather have 1 year left of Eric Gordon at 16 mill than 4 years of MMM. At this point in time (accounting for years left) Melo’s deal is the worst.

    34. How productive has a gimpy Melo been this season? Maybe worth a win or two? And we’re paying him how much, er? You think that’s worth it?

    35. If someone offered me a button that, when pressed, caused a random person in the world to die, but then the Knicks would get Joseph, Draymond, and Matthews for <= 24m I'd probably do it.

      Dumbest comment I’ve ever read in this forum…and that isn’t easy.

    36. The moment the Melo deal was signed, my faith in the Zen Magician vanished.

      The Peter Principle is a concept in management theory in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate’s performance in their current role rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and “managers rise to the level of their incompetence.”

    37. Love and Aldridge synergize terribly with Carmelo.

      Finding a player that can synergize with Melo is the equivalent of trying to breathe under water.

    38. How productive has a gimpy Melo been this season? Maybe worth a win or two? And we’re paying him how much, er? You think that’s worth it?

      You can say that for any injured player. We have already established that this is a lost season. All im saying is that even with Calderon the Knicks have the second most cap room this offseason to Philly. It aint all bad.

    39. Whoopee, cap space. We can use it to fill the giant black holes at PG, SG, PF and C. And SF if Melo isn’t healthy or has another mediocre season like this one. Yeah, cap space. That’s the ticket.

    40. The cap is supposed to go up by at least 15 mil in the next two seasons. Mediocrre players will soon have worse contracts.

      Yup. And they’re going to play for the Knicks too.

    41. Blatt was awesome in Europe because he could mesh all sorts of different players and get them to play at their best in every single stop of his coaching career. Very adaptable, very smart, sorta charismatic and always one or two steps ahead of the other coaches.

      Thanks for the response Farfa. I was curious to know if he had a reputation as a defense guy like Thibs or an offense guy like D’Antoni but your response makes it sound like he was really just an all-rounder. Almost anyone can fall victim to personality clash issues in the wrong situation and that Cleveland team is a minefield for many reasons, but I expected a lot more tactically from him than what I’ve seen. Seems like he would really benefit from having a sharp, defensive minded assistant, because I think more than almost any team in the league they should be running a pretty simple conservative system. They just have way too many guys who aren’t bringing the energy or the defensive IQ to be trying to be a team hedging and then flying around in rotations. Makes 0 sense for their personnel. The fact that he hasn’t gone in that direction is what most makes me question how sharp he actually is.

    42. Woah, my innocent (but dark) joke seemed to hit a nerve. I get that tone can often be an issue on the internet but it was hardly at anyone’s expense. I was joking; I would only give my first born child for draymond, Matthews, and Joseph at <=24m a year anyway.

      And Zanzibar nailed it on the twilight zone reference.

      Re: Melo's contract. It's shit, mostly because of his NTC and now his knee issues.

    43. “How productive has a gimpy Melo been this season?”
      You realize that this is a silly question, right? It is obvious to anyone watching the games that he was playing very hurt (unless all of the wincing and grimacing is a total act, in which case he should quit basketball because he sucks at that and go into acting because he’s great at it). I know how patient everyone on this site is so, before concluding that he is shot for life, maybe we should wait to see how well (or if) he recovers from his injury? By the way, my bet is that, if those of you who are screaming for a total rebuild were Sixers fans, a good number of you would have concluded by now that Nerlens Noel is a total bust and has no future in the NBA. After all, the guy has already played almost half a season and he’s got a TS% of .436 and an almost non-exist WS48 (.001 to be exact). What a waste of a draft pick…

    44. Am I the only one who thinks blowing the majority of our cap space on a 30 year old Marc Gasol is a bad idea? He’s a solid player for sure but I have to think he’s a bit overrated.

      He’s a great fit in the triangle, but I agree with you. I will NOT be happy if Gasol is the key player we add. It’s not that I have any great ideas. None of the players I would want are going to come here. I think trading Melo for youth and picks and really starting from scratch is the best idea.

    45. “How productive has a gimpy Melo been this season?”
      You realize that this is a silly question, right?

      Given that most players begin to decline in productivity and health around 30, the Knicks would have reasonably expected this to be the most productive year in Melo’s contract-something like last season. Which was pretty valuable. Instead, we’re getting nothing. Now that Melo’s essentially going to miss a year, are you more confident than before that he’ll be one of these Paul Pierce type players that maintain effectiveness even as they get older?

      But hey-he’s been inspired to play basketball tomorrow by meeting one of those princes. Cool. Maybe we can actually win a game.

    46. The day Melo recognizes he’s not what he once was, and there’s a new top dog that relegates Melo to a Paul Pierce role, is the day the knicks start moving in a positive meaningful direction with him on the team.
      You can’t be an elite team with a ball dominant, hero-ball, low IQ, team leader, that wants to score more than win.

    47. Melo is definitely willing to defer, he’s just not willing to defer to just anybody. Is that a knock on him? I guess, but I don’t think it’s that unusual for a star player to only be willing to defer to another bigger star player. That, more than anything, was the biggest cost of the Melo trade – it kept the Knicks from acquiring Paul. They had all the assets they needed to get Paul had they not traded for Melo (and Melo was willing to wait to sign as a free agent with the Knicks). Melo would have definitely deferred to Paul. What would a Melo/Paul team have looked like? I dunno, but I know Melo would have deferred to Paul. Just look at Melo in the Olympics or in All-Star Games. The guy’s willing to defer – he just has to have a star to defer to. The Knicks never got that star. And while yes, they never got that star because of Melo insisting on being traded to the Knicks during the 2010-11 regular season, it still remains that the guy would defer to someone like Chris Paul or Lebron James (yes, that is extremely limiting, but, well, it is is what it is – I think that’s why the Knicks were so big on getting Nash. He was another one of the few players Melo would defer to).

    48. @56 — since I’m not a doctor and I don’t know what is wrong with his knee, I have no clue what long term impact it will have. Maybe it’s the start of a steep decline or maybe it’s just a bump in the road. I don’t know and, unless you have some inside information, you can’t possibly know either.

    49. By the way, when a guy who has won a championship like Ainge is so willing to tank, you know that it has really just become an ingrained part of the game. I don’t mind it myself as a strategic tool, but if you don’t like tanking, well, expect even more of it in the coming years as more and more teams realize how valuable it is.

    50. Aside from the calamitous end of D’A’s reign, it’s not like Melo has been a play-busting ball-hog. Well maybe a ball-hog but all those iso’s came coach approved. As Brian said, he’s willing to share when he trusts guys (he never seemed bothered by the many, many sets the Knicks ran that started with Felton/Chandler pnrs for instance) but the Knicks haven’t exactly surrounded him with a bunch of trustworthy options since he’s been here. Of course I would trade Melo and build around whoever we draft if possible but I don’t think you’re doomed by having him on the roster if he’s reasonably healthy and I’m not sure some loose cartilage in one knee at age 30 means he’s suddenly going to turn into late stage Penny Hardaway or T-Mac. He does dramatically lower the Knicks margin of error though- both by his iso heavy game and his huge contract- if he’s here making 23m the Knicks probably need to do absolutely everything right both in the draft and free-agency if they want to seriously compete and Jackson’s track record thus far doesn’t exactly inspire a ton of confidence. The problem isn’t all Melo- it’s that there’s literally no one else on the roster worthy of starting on an NBA team- if the Knicks had a couple of decent starters on reasonable contracts like most every other team in the league (and please don’t say Cole because if his current trend continues he’s at best a 10 minute a night player) Melo at 23m wouldn’t seem like the completely insurmountable issue it looks like now.

    51. Of course I would trade Melo and build around whoever we draft if possible

      The part I bolded is what gets me. It’s just so obvious that it makes no sense to be building around a guy like Melo in his age 31-34 years on a mega max salary (not even a real knock on Melo – same guy, same salary on a team ready to compete for a title over the next couple of years would be fine. Like, say, the Rockets or the Bulls or swapping him for Aldridge on Portland), that the fact that Jackson thinks otherwise really doesn’t speak particularly well about Jackson.

    52. the fact that Jackson thinks otherwise really doesn’t speak particularly well about Jackson.

      I made this point yesterday. Phil Jackson seems to think that Triangle Magic™ is going to turn Melo into a better player in his 30’s than he was in his 20’s. And this is extremely misguided thinking, and it makes me think that Phil Jackson is REALLY full of himself. Perhaps the specter of a single-digit win season will force Phil to look at things from a more realistic perspective.

    53. “I’d like ‘Dubious Achievement in Sports’ for 400, Alex.”

      “The only man to both win 70 games and lose 70 games in an NBA season.”

      “Who is Phil Jackson?”

    54. Boston has so many draft choices they can’treally fit them all on their team. At some point they will have to trade some or waive some of them.

    55. give credit to Phil, he’s been managing Dolan so far..and Bargs didn’t fly to London with his “injured calf”.. did the 2 ten day contracts did?

      btw, saw Felton started for Mavs when I checked the box scores.. wtf

    56. “I’d like ‘Dubious Achievement in Sports’ for 400, Alex.”

      “The only man to both win 70 games and lose 70 games in an NBA season.”

      “Who is Phil Jackson?”

      Funny stuff.

    57. “Alex, I’ll continue with ‘Dubious Achievement in Sports’ for 600”
      “In the Mecca of basketball, he was paid more per win than any other coach.”

      “Who is Larry Brown.?”
      No, sorry.

      “Who is Potato Head, Mike Woodson?”
      “incorrect”

      “Who is Derek Fisher?”

    58. To be fair, Phil won a bunch with late model Kobe, who is a rough analogue to Melo. We just need to find Pau, Odom and Bynum . . .

    59. It’s funny how the lamestream media thinks Crawford is an example of a good player the Knicks gave up on too soon. I mean, Jamal is not Bargs bad, and he’s fun to watch, but it’s ridiculous he’s been in the league so long.

    60. @DRed

      Yeah, but Phil must also remember the Lakers rebuilt. They traded Shaq for actual assets rather than just cap room, one of which was a young Lamar Odom. More important, Kobe was … 26 … when the Shaq trade went down, so if the Knicks are the 04/05 Lakers, then they won’t have that supporting cast until Melo is 34. Kobe last won a title at age 31. And all that only happens if there’s a team like Memphis cornered into trading a top 10 player for scraps (one of which, lucky for them, randomly bloomed into a star).

      So yeah, even in the Phil Jackson bubble world, the logic doesn’t work.

    61. What’s even crazier about this whole thing is that if any executive had the cachet to go for a full tear down and rebuild, it would be Phil Jackson. And yet he decided not to do that, and has only lucked into a top three pick.

    62. For me. I will settle for
      C- Draft someone Okafor or whoever
      PF- OLD Kevin Garnet (seems a fit for min salary)
      SF – MELO
      PG and SG- Some low buy players

      Then get 1 year rentals or young cheap players and be flexible with the money in 2016

    63. KG here? Only if he comes in the Kurt Thomas vs. Utah role (and mind you, I don’t like KG at all. He’s a psycho). Not certainly as the starting PF. (Also, why would KG come here? I could see him signing a vet min in LA, Clippers side, but other than that…)

    64. That’s true, and he would certainly be worlds better than Jah. But then again, only if he comes here for 15-18 MPG of tough defense and some elbow jumpers, and comes off the bench. I still don’t know why he would come here for the last year of his career, but that’s another issue.

    65. Call me crazy but I don’t think all is lost. Its easy to say every player we have right now is garbage. But most of these guys, except maybe Hardaway, are slated to be second unit guys. As much as the losing sucks, for guys like Cole, Galloway, Acy, Larkin….getting to play starter’s minutes every night for the rest of the season is an amazing experience and invaluable as a learning tool. And I believe most of them, because we are so bad, will be able to come back for cheap. I mean we could basically be watching most/all of our second unit right now.

      Melo’s injury does concern me but STAT is also out because of knee soreness and its peculiar to me that they are both out for rather vague reasons and got pulled once the season was completely lost.

      Towns or Okafor (Towns is my man cause of the defense) would be a huge addition to this team. And yes there are gonna be some ridiculous salaries given out and maybe we overpay, but if we can get rid of Calderon there is the opportunity to snag 2 really good players OR 3 pretty good players. Plus we should also have our mid level exception. And those trade exceptions are gonna come in handy. I believe we have close to $11 million now?

      Also, maybe I’m pipe dreaming, but with such a deep Free Agency class, I believe there will be some good players who will fall through the cracks and end up signing below value deals. I hope this is how Phil works. Target the main guys and then wait patiently for the right players to get desperate and sign.

      Towns or Okafor
      2 or 3 players (I’d go strong after a PG (Jackson or Dragic) and Butler or Faried
      Mid Level exception.
      Melo

      That’s our starting 5 right there. Then you got Pablo, Hardaway, Acy, Cole…Galloway…the greek kid.

      Next year’s team is going to be very very different. And we’ll have much better talent. Will it win us a championship? Doubtful but with Towns or Okafor the transition “post Melo” should be a lot easier.

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