Knicks Morning News (2015.01.12)

  • [New York Post] London trip offers desperate Knicks a break — and a boot camp (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 02:29:22 -0500)

    For four days, the Knicks will know peace. OK, maybe not peace, but at least they won't know another loss. The 5-35 Knicks, tied with the Magic and Suns for…

  • [New York Times] Pacers’ Sudden Slide a Lesson for All NBA Teams (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:15:58 GMT)

    At this time a year ago, the Indiana Pacers were 29-7 and well on their way to finishing with the Eastern Conference’s best record.

  • [New York Times] Lillard Scores 34 Points, Trail Blazers Beat Lakers 106-94 (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 05:12:46 GMT)

    Damian Lillard scored 17 of his 34 points in the fourth quarter, leading the Portland Trail Blazers to a 106-94 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Cousins Helps Kings Rout LeBron-Less Cavaliers 103-84 (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:30:37 GMT)

    DeMarcus Cousins had 26 points and 13 rebounds and the Sacramento Kings beat Cleveland 103-84 on Sunday night, the Cavaliers’ seventh loss in eight games with LeBron James out with a strained back and sore left knee.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Heat Overpower Clippers to End Road Skid (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:02:17 GMT)

    Chris Bosh scored 34 points and Hassan Whiteside had career highs of 23 points and 16 rebounds off the bench in a win that ended a three-game road skid for Miami.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Outlast Suns 122-110 in 2OT (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 02:42:36 GMT)

    Marc Gasol scored the first seven points in the second overtime, Zach Randolph had 27 points and 17 rebounds and the Memphis Grizzlies outlasted the Phoenix Suns 122-110 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Korver, Hawks Rout Wizards for 8th Straight Victory (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 00:42:16 GMT)

    The streaking Atlanta Hawks made it look easy against the Washington Wizards.

  • [New York Times] Heat Beat Clippers 104-90 to End 3-Game Road Skid (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 00:27:26 GMT)

    Hassan Whiteside spent the summer dialing NBA teams seeking a tryout. No was always the response until he heard yes from Miami coach Erik Spoelstra.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks coach Derek Fisher handling skid with poise (Mon, 12 Jan 2015 01:35:17 GMT)

    Derek Fisher has acknowledged that the Knicks’ NBA-worst record “is on my record,” regardless of Phil Jackson taking the blame.

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    1. “I’m very proud of the way Derek has held himself together during this,” Jackson said. “It’s not easy to go through what he’s gone through. He’s done a really terrific job of continuing to coach and teach and that’s what we’re looking for. And so we’re moving forward in that regard.

      “He’s been consistent about his coaching. He’s patient with the players. He hasn’t lost his temperament that I think is very much a part of who he is. The resolve and the character is stable. The fact he is optimistic is really important.”

      I’m also very proud of the way my 4-year-old son handles this “pooping in his pants while potty training” phase. He’s done a really terrific job of continuing to eat and drink and that’s what we’re looking for. And so we’re moving forward in that regard.

      He’s been consistent about his eating. He’s patient with the diapers. He hasn’t lost his hunger that I think is very much a part of who he is. The ability to stand up without falling and the sleeping is stable. The fact he is optimistic is really important.

    2. Credit where credit is due. It is HARD work to be THIS bad. I mean just look at Philly this has been years in the making, choosing the right players and the right people to lose as much as possible. The fact that the Knicks have out-sucked Philly is truly impressive.

      Going from championship contender last season (according to Dolan and even some non-crazy people) to absolute worst of the worst is truly remarkable.

      I dont want to come as fully sarcastic I truly mean that this is what is best for the franchise and whether it was lucked into it or not, being this bad really is an accomplishment on its own, at the very least its better than the last 15 yrs.

    3. Credit where credit is due. It is HARD work to be THIS bad. I mean just look at Philly this has been years in the making, choosing the right players and the right people to lose as much as possible. The fact that the Knicks have out-sucked Philly is truly impressive.

      You forgot “choosing the right system and implementing it in the most half-assed way”.

      Seriously, I know I often come off as a Fisher and Triangle critic, but that’s not where I am at. The thing I despise the most about this horrible season is the fact that every single frigging minute on the court seems utterly lost. We’re not building anything this year. We could have done all (or some) of these things:

      – Maximize the trade value of some players.
      – Maximize the on-court experience (i.e.: minutes) of the young players that we’re sure/very hopeful to retain next year.
      – Teach the system to the players who’ll be still here in October 2015; teach it the hard way though (you fail to get where you’re supposed to be for three possession in a row – you get yanked, pronto).
      – Give a look to a number of hopeful D-Leaguers on 10-day contracts and see who sticks.

      We’re doing nothing of the above (apart from freeing Cole and – maybe – calling up Galloway), at least until now; we’re just losing miserably and nobody is learning a damn thing. So I’m not angry at Fisher or at the Triangle, in a vacuum. I’m angry at the complete failure this season has been. And, ok, ping pong ballz, I get it, but still: Philly is doing the tank the right way. Noel is learning. MCW is sometimes horrible but at least is a 2nd year rookie and could be enticing to someone. Covington is a nice find. There’s no one in the way of the development of the youngsters. I’m really sad.

    4. I just don’t understand the logic in signing Lance Thomas and Lou to 10-day contracts when we could be getting interesting D-League talent (COME TO ME SETH CURRY) it just feels like every single move of PJ’s tenure has been obviously sub-optimal and he’s just been really unimpressive.

    5. Building a team around the Triangle and building a team around Melo are huge mistakes on Phil’s part. I’ve talked about the Triangle resulting in players like Calderon and Jason Smith. Melo is on the decline, having a bad knee which the medical staff admits won’t improve. In over 1,000 minutes so far, he’s posted a WS/48 of .095. And could you imagine him guarding 3s on that knee? My fear is Phil’s next mistake will be to trade whoever we pick in the draft for someone like Bosh. Jax would be building the current Brooklyn Nets! I’m starting to regard Phil more and more like Chauncey Gardiner in the movie Being There. Chauncey uttered platitudes which were mistaken for genius. Just when I had hoped our terrible misfortunes over the last 15 years might end, I’m terrified that we hired a guy whose luck. is now starting to run out.

    6. Regarding the draft, I think 76ers or T-Wolves would select Towns over Okafor because he’d be a better fit with Embiid and Pekovic. So the odds are we would select Okafor if we were to choose 2nd and 76ers or T-Wolves first. I favor Towns for a few reasons. First, he’s a unique player – Is there a 19yo in memory who possessed his blend of skills? A potential stretch 5 who’s a rim protector and has a post game? Second, what really wows me is his soft touch around the rim – you don’t teach that. Third, Towns’ shot blocking is very impressive when you consider his teammates. Fourth, Okafor’s a poor FT shooter. For a guy operating in the post who’s expected to draw fouls, that’s worrisome. Finally, if Okafor’s offense doesn’t carry to NBA, then what? Maybe he evolves like Ewing but Towns is looking like a lower risk in that regard.

    7. Melo is on the decline, having a bad knee which the medical staff admits won’t improve. In over 1,000 minutes so far, he’s posted a WS/48 of .095.

      Is being on the decline and having a bad knee the same thing? People seem to keep saying this. I think the medical staff said it wouldnt improve if he kept playing. I think with the impending rest/surgery it will improve no?

    8. As I said yesterday, can’t judge a thing yet due to constant roster overhauls.

      ESPN reports Knicks trying to trade Bargs + Calderon.

      …I’m ok with that…

    9. Is being on the decline and having a bad knee the same thing? People seem to keep saying this. I think the medical staff said it wouldnt improve if he kept playing. I think with the impending rest/surgery it will improve no?

      The team hasn’t been forthcoming on this issue which is a bad sign. When a guy is 30yo and has 33,000 NBA minutes on his knees, I decipher the signals to mean this is a wear-and-tear situation.

      er, I’ve been a relative support of Melo and I believe he could have been a key piece on a chip team. But Amare’s health, coaching, etc. didn’t work out. Like I’ve posted before, Melo’s not in the Wade LBJ, Dirk, Garnett category – any slippage in his performance makes him a poor return. Chicago or Houston were betting he would have been OK for a couple of seasons to make a run at chip. Our situation’s completely different. Building around him as a max player at this time was dumb.

    10. @10 fair enough. I guess we will see next year.

      Calderon, meanwhile, has no shortage of admirers around the league despite his struggles this season, averaging a mere 9.3 points per game on 40.8-percent shooting

      This quote is heartening :)

    11. As I said yesterday, can’t judge a thing yet due to constant roster overhauls.

      ESPN reports Knicks trying to trade Bargs + Calderon.

      …I’m ok with that…

      I’m pretty interested to see what they can bring back for Calderon. I tried to come up with some semi viable scenarios on the trade machine for him, but it’s tough because PG is so deep around the league that finding natural fits for him is tough. Maybe something like this trade, with Houston tossing in a future 2nd round pick? Knicks dump his salary and pick up a 2nd rounder and generic 12th man young player type who could probably get serious burn here. Houston gets an improvement on their current bench guards if Calderon can bounce back at all, and he’d be in a decent situation to do so. He’ll be back in his Dallas role essentially as an off-ball guard in a PnR system, shooting 3s and providing secondary distribution, and his defense isn’t much worse than Terry’s plus they’d have Howard to backstop him. He’d also give them a little insurance if Beverley ends up really pricey this summer. Thoughts?

      And Bargnani? Forget about it. I think Toronto dumped him on the last team dumb enough to take him 18 months ago and I doubt he has won many suitors in that time. There’s no way you’re getting back anything of value for him now. It’s good to read that they’re open to waiving him though. Just get it over with and use that roster spot on literally anybody else and I’ll be happy.

    12. I love the comments to the ESPN article. One guy posts that he volunteers to play for the Knicks for the league minimum because he is “fat, slow, can’t dribble and will do whatever I can to help the Knicks lose” and the next guy says, “Is that you Ray Felton?”

    13. Um, to the above commenters:
      You do know that Calderon is considered pretty good in his own right? He’s been an elite 3-pt shooter, great passer, top of the league in assist:TO. He’s only been a bad fit with us because his poor defense can’t be covered by someone else.

      I mean, I don’t want him to be dealt just so someone takes Bargs for 3 months of a tanking year. He should be dealt solo and get us some draft picks or younguns.

    14. I mean, I don’t want him to be dealt just so someone takes Bargs for 3 months of a tanking year. He should be dealt solo and get us some draft picks or younguns.

      I agree with all of this. not sure where the disagreement is

    15. Calderon has played very poorly, and he has a not-cheap contract that runs two years beyond this year. It would be fantastic if that contract could be moved, even if it’s a pure salary dump.

      At any rate, the Tyson Chandler trade has to be rated an “F” at this point. That turned out to be a miserably awful trade.

    16. ESPN also says:

      But sources maintain that the Knicks are not looking to move Stoudemire and, at least for now, intend to keep him for the rest of the season. That could lead to Stoudemire, who has relished his time with the Knicks despite the club’s struggles, re-signing with them over the summer at a reduced rate. The 32-year-old former All-Star, who has been plagued by knee injuries in recent years, is playing out the final year of his current contract worth $23.4 million.

      This is the more interesting tidbit. So, the question to you all is, what is good value for STAT? At what salary/term would you feel comfortable with him on the roster. I’ll start the show by saying 2 years @ $4M per year.

    17. I’m not sure what Timmy would bring on the open market. If it’s just a 2nd round pick, then I think I’d rather ship him with Calderon someplace as a salary dump.

      The other thing Phil can consider doing is stretch waiving calderon this summer — he has about $15MM left that would be stretched over 5 years — so would be about 4.5MM cap savings and would get us up to about $31MM in cap space including the 1st round pick + empty roster spot cap holds. Bad precedent though.

      My main concern is that Phil said he wanted to separate the learners from the non-learners — and now he’s trying to trade everyone who isn’t on a minimum contract. So there are no learners other than the guy who has a no-trade clause?

    18. I just want to point out that a Knicks homer (GoNY…, etc.) just started the Stoudemire mock bidding at $2M a year. This (Stoudemire) is a man who currently has a max contract from the New York Knicks.

      This is too Knicks.

    19. Whether Phil likes it or not, he’s tied himself to the Melo train now and won’t be able to distance himself from it unless Melo demands a trade. Even if he doesn’t bother to learn the triangle. Melo has all the leverage in this situation and Dolan would likely take his side given the amount of money to be made off him. What Phil would risk in calling teams about Melo this early would be a media savaging and a serious front office conflict that even someone with his reputation would have a tough time surviving.

    20. It strains credulity to think that any team will want to take Melo’s contract after his knee issues have come up again. That would be a serious red flag to any GM.

    21. @19 –
      Not true: I started the bidding at $4M per year but I’m sure others will say “not for a bag of Cheetos.
      True: I’m a homer.

    22. I mean amare is an efficient enough scorer and decent enough rebounder to slightly outweigh his horrid defense and be worth a couple mil. I’d value him at a Jason smith contract but no higher given his knees and bad d.

    23. This is the more interesting tidbit. So, the question to you all is, what is good value for STAT? At what salary/term would you feel comfortable with him on the roster. I’ll start the show by saying 2 years @ $4M per year.

      Honestly, I’m not sure there’s any price at which I’d want STAT back on the team. For one thing he’s just too unreliable. Whatever role you stake out for him you’re always going to need to have somebody else ready to fill that role because you know STAT will miss a bunch of games. So even if you bring back STAT as a backup 4/5 and pay him something commensurate with that role, you’re still going to need a very reliable 3rd stringer since he’s going to play a lot. That inconsistency has some costs I think.

      2nd thing, Phil has talked about culture a lot and purged a lot of the guys who were apparently not great in the locker room, and STAT is by all accounts a pretty nice guy. But what about on the court culture? Having a guy as one of your veteran leaders who never passes on offense and doesn’t play much defense (and oh by the way, this is all on the rare occasions when he does see the court) doesn’t send much of a message to the younger players.

      Last, and this goes along with the above – I just don’t think he’s that good. He scores the ball efficiently in the post and that’s worth something to the right team, but that’s basically the only thing he does well on the basketball court. We all know he’s not a good defender or rebounder (I realize his rebounding numbers are up this year, but I’m not putting too much stock in that being sustainable), and he’s not even a particularly complete offensive player, particularly any more. He isn’t a pick and roll big any more, he’s not a great passer, etc. I think it’s time for STAT to move on.

    24. For once, I’d like to see the Knicks come out on top in a trade.
      THJ is worth more than a 2nd round pick. Personally, I wouldn’t give up on him yet unless someone is overbidding for him.

    25. And I’d value jason smith at approximately worth the cost of a McDonald’s chicken sandwich

    26. The only thing stopping Amare from getting $15 million/yr are his knees. Discount him about 50-75%.

    27. Thjr is awful and we should bail on him while anybody still thinks he has potential to do anything other than chuck

    28. “And I’d value jason smith at approximately worth the cost of a McDonald’s chicken sandwich”

      I think that’s very unfair…to the chicken sandwich.

    29. THJ is shooting .386 from the field, .314 from 3pt, gets fewer than 2 rebounds per game, a TS% of .502, and he’s taking more than 15 shots per 36. He’s averaging almost 0 steals per game. His WS/48 is .013.
      He is terrible.
      There is no way he’s worth more than a second round pick.
      He’s worse than Jamal Crawford’s worst years in NYC.

      Horrible player.

    30. I think those lamenting the return on the Chandler trade aren’t looking closely enough. The Mozgov trade will likely end up netting the Nuggets two picks in the 20’s. Take a look at the expected return of draft picks here:

      http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

      After the top 10 picks there is a steep drop, and there’s a very gentle decline in pick value the rest of the way. What does this mean? The difference between the #5 and #6 overall picks is similar to the difference between the #14 and #34 picks, especially when you consider the extra value in having a top player locked up long term for cheap. In other words, had the Mavs been able to give their 2014 + 2015 firsts for Chandler, and those picks would have been #21 and say #25, that is a very similar value to #34 and last year’s #18 (Larkin).

      Now, the Knicks spent a summer evaluating Larkin and decided he wasn’t showing enough progress to pick up his option, which may have been the wrong move. But two picks in the 20’s would not expect to return a significantly different value than Early and Larkin. In addition, Calderon and Dalembert were both seen as assets at the time, and Felton was shedded. When you consider Chandler is older than Mozgov, and not on a significantly underpaid long-term contract, the return on the trade was totally fine. Had Calderon performed this year like he did last year he could have been traded for yet more assets.

      So let’s stop the focus on 1st round pick vs. 2nd round, as the reality is a top 10 pick is an enormous asset, but the #25 and #34 picks are largely similar. Hell, the Knicks may have picked Early anyway with a late first rounder.

      Finally, waiting to trade Tyson mid-season would have made the Knicks better this year. Take a look at the expected value of a top-5 pick again; it’s an all-star that will be underpaid for years. If keeping Tyson even halved the Knicks odds of a top 5 pick, that’s probably worth giving up two picks in the 20’s on its…

    31. I hate to say this, but I am not convinced we are so bad because of our players. It’s not that the players are very good, but when every player is basically under-performing his historical capability, you have to wonder about the coaching. Lots of people on this board predicted something like 30 wins based on the players, and SCHOENE predicted something similar. Carmelo is a big blow for sure, but even with the injuries, I am not sure we should be this bad. Phil predicted the team would gel in Mid-December and I predicted mid January (the tenth, to be exact) for signs of improvement. Phil was confident that the team could compete for the playoffs. But the team is getting worse, not better, and it’s been so bad that Phil pulled the plug on the team. I think Fisher has a great demeanor and a good understanding of basketball, but it’s not yet turned into consistently reasonable play from our personnel.

      For these reasons, my fear is that we dump people for almost nothing and then other teams find value in them.

    32. @32 I seem to recall a lot of “his spot of numbers were good” when THj’s TS% at Michigan was being questioned. It appears that was BS.
      @34 On a few post games and in articles I have seen (perhaps referencing the same conversation(s)) that opponents find the Knicks offense predictable.

    33. @32- I don’t needs statistics to tell me that THjr is sucking wind. His attitude also seems to suck.

    34. Timmy doesn’t suck. He, uh, just needs a change of scenery to reach his true talent level. Right? Who got a first round pick burning a hole in their pocket?

    35. THJ is shooting .386 from the field, .314 from 3pt, gets fewer than 2 rebounds per game, a TS% of .502, and he’s taking more than 15 shots per 36. He’s averaging almost 0 steals per game. His WS/48 is .013.
      He is terrible.
      There is no way he’s worth more than a second round pick.
      He’s worse than Jamal Crawford’s worst years in NYC.

      THJ took a step back this year. But, I think you have to judge players on this roster for potential more than stat lines. The team sucks so everyone looks awful.
      I get the feeling that THJ is very coachable, so I think you can reign him in. When he plays within himself, he can shoot threes at a high percentage, is pretty good on the open floor in transition, and has improved at going to the rim. Defense is his biggest flaw.
      He has a lot of upside. Most 2nd rounders just fill a roster spot. Picking him in the second round would be a score.
      As for Jamal Crawford, that’s a conversation in itself.

    36. I hate to say this, but I am not convinced we are so bad because of our players. It’s not that the players are very good, but when every player is basically under-performing his historical capability, you have to wonder about the coaching. . . . . . . . For these reasons, my fear is that we dump people for almost nothing and then other teams find value in them.

      This is exactly what’s happening. In a system of cap restrictions, a series of these blunders buries the team for next 4-5 years.

    37. we could be getting interesting D-League talent (COME TO ME SETH CURRY)

      Maybe Curry would rather stay with the Bayhawks.

    38. @33: I’ll respond to a few of those points:

      Finally, waiting to trade Tyson mid-season would have made the Knicks better this year.

      Lets get this one out of the way first. This is a strawman I keep seeing brought up by trade defenders. I haven’t seen anyone say that trading Tyson was a bad idea. Trading him to improve the tank was fine, it’s the return they got that people aren’t fine with. There’s no reason to think that this was the only offseason trade available to the Knicks.

      So let’s stop the focus on 1st round pick vs. 2nd round, as the reality is a top 10 pick is an enormous asset, but the #25 and #34 picks are largely similar.

      This is actually a good point that I haven’t seen raised elsewhere. However I’ll point out that Larkin was the #18 pick in what was seen as a very weak draft and his stock pretty clearly declined from that point in his first year in the league. I don’t think you can fairly say that getting him was anything like the equivalent of say, picking up the #18 pick in the upcoming draft. I think Larkin was significantly more likely to be waived than traded for a 1st rounder when we acquired him.

      In addition, Calderon and Dalembert were both seen as assets at the time, and Felton was shedded.

      This is the crucial point to me. The bottom line is the Knicks mis-evaluated both those players and the level of the team. Phil thought those guys were assets and he was wrong. He thought this team could make the playoffs with those guys as 2 of the 5 starters, and he was extremely, flagrantly wrong. These are arguments for why the trade was bad, not why it was good. Trading for guys who you think are good, but who you have to waive/trade dump 6 months later is a bad thing, not a good thing.

    39. He’s (Hardaway) worse than Jamal Crawford’s worst years in NYC.

      I doubt he’s as good a scorer as he looked at times last year, but I can’t believe he’s this bad either. In fact, I think a Crawford-like 6th man is probably his upside if we are patient. He’s not well rounded enough to ever be a really good player, but he can score.

      And to anyone else, please stop trying to defend the Tyson Chandler trade. That was a horrible deal UNLESS one of our second round picks miraculously develops into a star player.

      Also these other assets are interchangeable. Chandler is a legitimate high level C.

    40. Celtics future picks:
      2015: 4 first round + 2 second round
      2016: 2 first round + 2 second round
      2017: 1 first round + 1 second round
      2018: 1 first round
      2019: 1 first round

      Wow. Now that’s how you rebuild. However, these are from other teams, and protected, so they may keep picking Fab Melo types.

    41. Here’s an idea for a Melo trade:

      Melo to the Bulls for Derrick Rose and asset(s). In my most fanciful fever dream it would be Melo for Derrick Rose and Mirotic, which works in the trade machine but that is probably wishful thinking.

      Derrick Rose looks finished; he is looking like a colossal waste of $18M in salary cap space. He’s rocking a .486 TS% and .024 WS48… Not pretty. On offense he’s been like a higher usage Iman Shumpert. Rose’s contract is two years shorter than Melo’s, and would be off the books in a few seasons while the Knicks patiently build and collect assets. The Bulls would get an upgrade at the volume scoring chucker position and Melo would get to have his cake and eat it too by bringing his MMM contract to a winning team.

    42. It’s actually a really fun idea for a “What If?” trade. It would never happen, but from a pure basketball perspective I think it makes pretty good sense on both sides – for Chicago they get much greater certainty with Melo – he may be breaking down but unlike the Knicks they actually are a title contender right now and if they can get good Melo seasons this year and next year that has a ton of value for them relative to what Rose is giving them (calling it zero is being generous). For the Knicks they get out from under Melo’s longer deal, and they’re in a much better position to take on all the risk that comes with Rose. If he does bounce back that’s fantastic – he’s still only 26 after all, and better than Melo at his peak in my opinion, and he has shown occasional flashes of the old Rose this year. If he doesn’t, *shrug*, the Knicks were probably going to suck those years anyway and getting out from under those last few almost sure to be ugly years of Melo’s deal is a plus if you think a realistic timetable for this team is something like 3-4 years minimum.

    43. …and the Knicks can give Rose all the time he needs to come back. No pressure here. Don’t want to walk with a limp when you’re older? No problem, take your time! Wanna be able to play with your grandchildren one day? We understand, take your time!

    44. Re: Rose – Melo Trade

      > Rose could pull a Lou Williams – remember how Lou looked finished?
      > Rose may start to penetrate more as the season progresses, preserving himself for the playoffs
      > Melo/Pau/Noah/Taj/Mirotic/McDermott would be a very crowded frontcourt

      I think Chicago might be more interested in a Melo – Noah trade this summer. Starting lineup would be: Rose/Butler/Melo/Taj/Pau. I would think it would be in our interest to involve a third team who needs a quality center like Cavs or GSW but what could they offer? Phoenix, OKC and others might be options.

    45. I was never a D Rose fan, but it actually makes sense, just to dig out from this mess. I wouldn’t expect him to play many games . . . until the last two months of his contract.

      It all comes back to the horrible deal given to Melo. PJ was the incoming genius and in a few short pen strokes, dug the hole deeper.

    46. Celtics future picks:
      2015: 4 first round + 2 second round
      2016: 2 first round + 2 second round
      2017: 1 first round + 1 second round
      2018: 1 first round
      2019: 1 first round

      Wow. That is insane….

    47. Re: Celtics future picks – there’s a lot of protected picks in there, so you really have to dig a little deeper.
      But 4 first rounders this year does make me envious, to say the least.

    48. Am I reading the draft pick charts correctly? Do the Knicks get to keep their 2nd round pick this year if it falls in the top 37? If so, that’s a potentially pretty good pick.

    49. I think Chicago might be more interested in a Melo – Noah trade this summer. Starting lineup would be: Rose/Butler/Melo/Taj/Pau. I would think it would be in our interest to involve a third team who needs a quality center like Cavs or GSW but what could they offer? Phoenix, OKC and others might be options.

      This is the best idea I’ve heard in awhile.

      Why involve a 3rd team?

      Noah is a terrific C. We saw last year he’s a great passer. He’d fit perfectly into Phil’s vision. I’d do cartwheels for a week if we landed Noah for Melo. I’d do cartwheels for a week if we gave up something on top of Melo and got back Noah.

    50. And here’s what I got from the site about the Celtics picks. Ummmmmm. Check out the 76’ers too!

      Celtics
      receive a 2015 1st-Rd pick from Mavs. Must fall in lottery between picks 4-14 in 2015, Top 7 protected in 2016-2020, unprotected in 2021.
      receive a 2015 1st-Rd pick from Clippers.
      receive a 2015 1st-Rd pick from Sixers. Lottery protected, or 2016 and 2017 second round picks.
      receive the Wizards 2015 1st-Rd pick (top 49 protected) or extinguished.
      receive a 2016 1st-Rd pick from Nets.
      receive a 2016 1st-Rd pick from Cavs. Top 10 protected in 2016-2018, 2019 unprotected.
      right to swap 2017 1st-Rd picks with Nets.
      receive a 2018 1st-Rd pick from Nets.
      receive the Kings’ 2017 1st-Rd pick (top 55 protected)
      receive the Cavs 2016 1st-Rd pick.
      receive the Mavs 2016 1st-Rd pick.
      receive the Heat 2016 1st-Rd pick.
      receive the Cavs 2017 1st-Rd pick.
      receive the Nets 2018 1st-Rd pick.

      Sixers
      receive a 2015 first round pick from Heat. Top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016 and unprotected in 2017.
      receive the Warrior’s 2015 second round pick. (via Pacers)
      receive the Magic 2015 second round pick.
      receive the Rocket’s 2015 second round pick.
      receive the Pelican’s 2015 second round pick. (via Clippers and Wizards)
      receive the Nuggets 2016 second round pick.
      receive Nets or Cavs 2018 second-round pick. (more favorable)
      receive Knicks or Clippers 2018 second-round pick. (more favorable)
      receive Bucks and Kings 2019 second-round pick. (more favorable)
      receive the Knicks 2019 second round pick.
      receive the Nets 2020 second round pick.

    51. Why involve a 3rd team? Noah is a terrific C. We saw last year he’s a great passer. He’d fit perfectly into Phil’s vision. I’d do cartwheels for a week if we landed Noah for Melo. I’d do cartwheels for a week if we gave up something on top of Melo and got back Noah.

      Noah was a terrific center but he peaked last season; now he’s a good to very good center. He’s got one more year on his contract and it would make no sense to re-sign him. Better to route him in a multi-team trade to Cavs/OKC or other teams under a lot of pressure to win next season (LBJ, Durant’s last OKC season?). Sadly, I don’t think Melo’s goin’ anywhere but a faint glimmer of hope is that Phil appears flexible enough to acknowledge his errors and not remain stubborn (e.g., shopping Calderon). But the Melo decision is a larger one involving many other factors besides best chance to win for NYK and Melo. In terms of winning angle, much depends on Melo’s health and how Chicago fares in the playoffs.

    52. I was wrong in my post @57. It’s the Knicks’ 2016 second round pick that is top 37 protected, not the 2015 pick. The 2015 pick is gone.

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