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Good morning, all.
ess-dog, I tend to agree with you, but this is not a great list:
I only want free agent 3rd centers who have legit playoff experience under their belts, so in order:
1. Looney
2. Kleber
3. K. Love
4. maybe Plumlee or Olynyk
This would have been a great list maybe two years ago. Don’t get me wrong; I get your desire to get someone with playoff experience. So, yeah, Drum doesn’t have a lot of *playoff* experience (bet he’d love to get some with us, though), but even at only 32 years of age he has almost 1,000 games of experience under his belt…….so I guess I kind of feel that that makes up for it. We already have him, so I’d like to get a younger guy—Cisse, Diabate, Matkovic, etc.—in here to see what our culture can do with them/for them. He’s much maligned, but quite honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing if we could get our hands on Nurkic (15/14/7 per 36 last season, with .503/.549/.352 shooting splits in 26 minutes per game), either. Correct: he is not great at free throws, but still twice as good as Mitch…….and he can hit a 3 here or there, just like Drum.
I know the Jazz just lost Kessler, but they still have JJJ, Filipowski, and even Markkanen can play center in a pinch, along with Jaxson Hayes, Oscar Tshiebwe, and Kevin Love. Are they going to want to pay *all* those guys?
ptmilo.
I’m going to take the opposite position, partly because that’s what I like to do around here. đ I think complexity is one of the problems. They are trying to solve too many problems with too complex a set of rules and that’s what is creating those little “whack a mole” issues.
There are 4 main issues.
1. Teams should be retain their best players without a set of complex rules making the decisions more difficult. There’s no way retaining Mitch should be an issue in part because of crazy rules about being over the apron X number of years, future draft picks etc.. Whoever thought that was good idea should be in a new career.
2. The best players should be able to move if they want to. The pay gap between what the current team and another team can offer should be enough to incentivize staying, but not so much that players never move.
3. There’s should be a soft cap with taxes so smaller market teams aren’t at a huge disadvantage and can still compete.
4. The player share should be x%.
You should br able to fit all the rules pertaining to that in a document a few pages long that any player or fan can understand.
It won’t be perfect. There are sure to be smaller issues that pop up and people will be tempted to add of all kinds of complex rules to address every possible litte thing. That’s the mistake. When people are making their careers trying to understand the rules because other very smart people either either can’t or don’t want to bother, that’s SCREAMING that what you are doing is probably wrong.
This last CBA reminded me of the kinds of bills that get thrown on Senate and Congress desks that half of them never reads and most don’t understand.
The only problem with this argument is Mitch wasn’t one of the Knick’s best players; sixth or seventh best at best.
The CBA was carefully negotiated so the big market teams couldn’t attract and hoard excessive talent. If you have two or three extremely well paid players, it will be difficult to fill your roster with anything than low scale young player or min level vets.
Your 6-9 guys can’t be mid level types if you have highly paid starters. That is a feature, not a glitch of the system.
For me, the CBA flaws have always been about the PA fumbling the ball once they got the 49%. Escalating maxes based on years of service makes sense for miners, etc. who need protection as their skills relative to younger workers make them vulnerable. Not so for a player with 150million career earnings when age decline is inevitable. And that cascades into all sorts of problems for players down the food chain. The cap, tax, aprons just accentuate that.
I think that the Knicks choosing to lose Mitch is exactly what the designer of the CBA had in mind.
To be clear, the Knicks did not have to lose Mitch.
-They could have extended him earlier so the he didn’t become a UFA
-They could have parted with one of the starters
-They could have gone into the 2nd apron to keep him
OTOH, Mitch had the ability to choose not to sign with the Knicks no matter what they offered him. Not all teams are ones that particular players want to play for, even if the money is there. Mitch had agency here.
And so, as Bob said, the goal was not to allow teams to remain fully intact from 1-15, or even from 1-6. It was to create competitive balance while also balancing player movement, player agency, and salary spreading.
The elephant in the CBA room, so to speak, is the imbalance that supermax-level contracts create. Jokic is one of the 10 best players of all time, and he has a championship under his belt, but building a team around him that can compete for another championship without paying massive taxes and irreparably hamstringing its future is virtually impossible. The Bucks had to blow it up even after mortgaging its future, even though its not really what they or what Giannis wanted.
Meanwhile, Presti saw all of this coming and devised a “continuous soup” plan. By a clever combination of churning, tanking, and bargain-hunting in trades and the draft, he can have 3 max-level guys on the roster without worring about losing them because he has the assets and roster depth to remain at the top of the contender list no matter what. San Antonio hit on maybe the most improbably lottery ticket ever for a potential GOAT and it will be several years before his salary becomes a problem.
No other team can compare with their model at this time. So their main competition will come from teams that know how to build a solid, deep sustainable roster by not becoming too top-heavy. Leon kind of did that. So did Prichard. Others are scrambling for workarounds, but pretty much everyone is avoiding the second apron, as intended.
So while some owners, FOs, coaches, players, agents, and fans are pissed, others are delighted. Adam Silver is probably delighted that there have been 8 consecutive different champions. Maybe that changes if OKC or SAS go on to dominate the next 10 years (definitely could happen!) but for now he’s probably thrilled at how it has worked out, especially with the new anti-tanking measures in place.
It will be interesting to see how the NBPA and owners move forward on the CBA when the opt-out date arrives. Seems like the NTPMLE is making for the kind of salary-spreading that benefits both entities as a whole, even though some contingents are pissed.
One revision that might help is to level out max contracts the same way that vet’s minimum deals are leveled out. For example, Andre Drummond is going to get paid $3.9M based on seniority, but his salary will only count as $2.4M against the cap. Maybe that should be true for supermax deals as well. I think a good number would be something like 30% of the cap. Right now that’s around $50M. This would mean that there would be no competitive advantage to having a young superstar like Anthony Edwards over a more senior guy like Nicola Jokic. It would make it easier for franchise cornerstones like Giannis to stay put.
Per Shams.
Bobby Marks:
I would have been happy with Post as a young piece. Another one bites the dust. In a weird way, the more time that goes by, the more faith I’m putting in Leon. He’s had a chance at at least some of these guys, and has let them all pass by. I could be very wrong, but it makes me feel even more that he’s got something else in the works (as opposed to sitting idly by and being surprised by everything else that is taking place around him).
I was playing around thinking of centers we might trade for but when I went to the trade machine I realized that of our non starters, only McBride, Kolek and Dadiet are tradeable because the others just signed and therefore canât be traded for a while. I donât think Dadiet has much trade value aside from matching purposes and the others are paid so little itâs hard to trade for someone good or with potential. Any relatively recent first round pick makes more than McBride or Kolek and most make more than Dadiet. I donât want to trade a starter for a backup center so we might actually be stuck with Sochan as center backup.
$10 million AAV for Quinten Post??
That tall French kid seems to have reinvigorated the market for big bodies. Everybody now looking for their own Wemby stopper.
Iâm going to take the opposite position, partly because thatâs what I like to do around here. đ I think complexity is one of the problems. They are trying to solve too many problems with too complex a set of rules and thatâs what is creating those little âwhack a moleâ issues.
you misread my post. as very general matter i tend to agree that piling on constraints cba-style is a losing proposition. less generally you have to be joking. the underlying complexity is endemic, not constructed. it comes from having different goals (player movement, continuity, fairness, parity) that are often disconsonant, from the inherent cat and mouse exploitation game every rulebook must abide, and from the strange nature of everything that is downstream of operating a semi-monopolistic league/firm subject to the louis-schmeling paradox.
your “solution” seems facile. game players are clever. when you allow them to retain their players and also allow the best players to “move if they want to,” you are allowing teams to gather and keep the sort of superteams that violate one of the key competing interests. merely asserting that allowing teams to pay more to homegrown players is good enough is both a kludge itself and empirically inadequate to meet the league’s parity goals in most cases.
perhaps the tax could act as a sufficient counterweight? personally, i tend to prefer structuring incentives this way over the current rube goldberg apron machinery. but i have good news for you in that sense. a good bit of the second apron whining is actually scapegoating by organizations who prefer not to attribute to frugality something that can be blamed on a rule most fans do not understand. the highly progressive tax system is an enormous incentive for every owner and the predominant marginal incentive for almost every owner already. the kludges cost us ihart but i think it’s actually just the tax incentives that cost us mitch. so maybe we should just make the tax much more severe?
there are two reasons the cba doesn’t use this simpler, more market-friendly price-like mechanism of pure tax enforcement. one is that they are dealing with a very specialized preferred market segments. you often have a few owners with unusual utility curves, who might be willing to pay a very high tax price relative to other owners because of how they value marginal wins versus marginal dollars. normally this is fine because it is happy trade between owners with differing preferences, but here it creates a positional externality, allowing a superteam willing to pay massive taxes to frustrate one of the primary goals of the cba. and if you make the curve too severe such that it “appropriately” disincentivizes steve ballmer, you are wildly over-deterring more typical owners from keeping their players, rendering a system far more punitive for those teams than a mere apron would.
the other reason is that the player’s union has its own power dynamics and we can’t just wish them away. there are many outcomes the more powerful segments of the union want to favor over others that might not emerge naturally in a simpler system. everyone says they want simplicity outside the room but inside the room hardly anyone gives a shit about simplicity over ensuring that their least favorite outcome won’t happen.
Clint Capela looks like an odd man out in Houston. Could he contribute anything at 32?
Capela on a minimum would be a decent get.
pt any thoughts on my “leveling max contracts for cap purposes” idea?
He still averages 11/13/2.4 per 36 so sure, but he might prefer just collecting his last 13M while kicking back in Geneva….
I’d consider going over the minimum for Capela. I think he still has something left. Did they cut him or is that just a hypothetical?
Starters: Brunson, KAT, OG, Hart, Mikal
Bench: Drummond, Capela, Deuce, Shamet, Alvarado, DeRozan
Situational: Kolek, Dadiet, Nickel
LET’S FUCKING GO!!!
(of course, neither Capela or DeRozan are coming here.)
I hadn’t thought of Capela, and he certainly doesn’t jump out at me on a list of “wants” when compared to some others, but he could be an OK stopgap. I think I don’t like his age. He’s 32 like Drum, and I’d like at least one of the two backup centers to be <30.
No, Doogie, just hypothesizing on how we could possibly wind up being even better than last year’s team! (Not saying better off without Mitch, just that it’s actually possible to improve in general while staying under the second apron.)
Mario Hezonja is looking to return to the NBA. He might be a good get on a minimum or even the TPMLE. We don’t need him, but some team could use a big shooting wing.
pt any thoughts on my âleveling max contracts for cap purposesâ idea?
one problem with this is that vet mins are small but your idea creates a lot of ghost salary, salary paid but not counted toward the cap benchmarks. bc the 51% rule acts as an anchor, under the current setup this would inherently push player salaries over that 51pct and they would have to be adjusted down from the actual contract amounts after the year. to avoid this likely unwanted dynamic you would have to reduce the cap itself. while it would be a form of money illusion to care about this as a player, they very likely would care about it nonetheless.
a second issue here is that it might be used to facilitate the very thing the nba is hoping to avoid: superteam collusion among suoermax veteran stars. maybe you want to mitigate this by only applying leveling to “homegrown” players. many teams would object that this is adding even more unfair advantage to massive luckbox teams who happened to win the wemby lottery. as it is, many would argue there is already an inherent superstar cap advantage bc the very best players like wemby and jokic are worth much more than the gaps permitted between them and the secondary max guys like siakam.
Hezonja shot 32 percent from 3. I can’t really remember him being particularly good at anything.
Are we just hoping Capela gets cut in this scenario? Not sure that’s happening. He also seems a little duplicative of Drummond tbh.
With Drummond’s rebounding on board, we could use more rim protection from our third center. Kalkbrenner might be a good option for that (2.5 blocks per 36), although he’s young and inexperienced. If Charlotte won’t trade Moussa, maybe they’ll trade Kalk?
“maybe you want to mitigate this by only applying leveling to âhomegrownâ players.”
I like this idea.
As to the 51% thing, there are probably ways to make up for this. There aren’t a lot greater than 30% salaries in the first place. Let’s give one exception at most to each team, and say the difference tops out around $20M. So where do you get the (at most) $600M? You tax ownership dollar for dollar for the privilege. So to roster a supermax player making $20M above the leveling salary, that team has to contribute an additional $20M to the revenue stream that goes directly to player salaries (in effect, increasing the salary cap.) Would that work?
As to superteams, you could limit this provision either to homegrown players or to the number of players on a roster that qualifies. So for example, Boston would have had two if they didn’t trade Brown. Philly would have one for Embiid but maybe not for Brown, or maybe less of one (say leveled to 32.5% of cap, not 30)
“Kalkbrenner might be a good option for that (2.5 blocks per 36), although heâs young and inexperienced. If Charlotte wonât trade Moussa, maybe theyâll trade Kalk?”
I would *love* Moussa, but I would like also Kalk very, very much. I had forgotten about him.
Wow, I thought Nurk was a little bit younger than he is. Why does it seem that Drum has been around so damn long? Is it because he’s been on quite a few different teams (“around the block”), thus making his NBA tenure seem longer than it actually is?
One thing that argues in favor of my “leveling” plan with the added caveat that it only applies to homegrown players is that it might convince a guy like Giannis to stay even if another team might be willing to supermax him because he will have a better chance of having a contending roster built around him.
You tax ownership dollar for dollar for the privilege. So to roster a supermax player making $20M above the leveling salary, that team has to contribute an additional $20M to the revenue stream that goes directly to player salaries (in effect, increasing the salary cap.) Would that work?
ownership would never agree to that it would be doa.
“ownership would never agree to that it would be doa.”
I disagree. If a team could gain cap space dollar for dollar, and stay out of the aprons by doing so, why would they object to that?
Right now the massive advantage is with established teams having young stars not yet on supermaxes. Soon the vast majority of teams are going to realize that they can’t compete with these teams without veteran supermax players, and because of the way that maxes escalate disproportionally relative to the cap, they can’t really compete even with them. Some sort of leveling between non-rookie scale but young super maxes and veteran supermaxes. There is no logical reason to differentiate cap-wise between, say, Anthony Edwards and, say, Jayson Tatum. Their ages or seniority should be irrelevant.
Yeah, the Hornets just got Naz Reid. They don’t need Kalkbrenner anymore, right? đ
Jay Huff and Drew Timme compute for me, too.
In any case, pt, there are probably ways that creative minds could hash out this “leveling” idea so that it is beneficial to a critical mass of both owners and players. The advantage that teams with “young” max players (see: OKC) have over teams with “old” max players (see: BOS) is illogical and, in my view, detrimental to the league as a whole.
I’d be shocked if the Rockets cut Capela instead of using his $7M salary as trade fodder.
I will eventually accept that the dead horse has been sufficiently beaten, but given how uninspiring the center options on the market are I remain disappointed we didn’t do anything about this with a draft pick. Hell, we even let all the intriguing-if-you-squint UDFA guys come off the board.
It’s all very confusing but at least I’ve worn a lot of championship merch for the past month.
I feel like the real villain behind this sham of losing Mitch hasn’t gotten nearly enough hate, so allow me to say it.
Fuck you, Adam Silver.
I disagree. If a team could gain cap space dollar for dollar, and stay out of the aprons by doing so, why would they object to that?
bc as stated your marginal taxation requirement of adding $20m into the “player pool” for every $20m in ghost money could only correct the underlying issue by implicitly increasing the actual player share of bri above the explicit 51% cba rev share. the owners have made it clear they will never accept an implicit rev share change through any sort of mechanism like this.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7424840/2026/07/06/lebron-james-nba-free-agency-2026-offseason/
Even after the championship, Hollinger remains a Knicks skeptic. In a piece assessing the contenders after the first wave of free agency, he puts OKC and the Spurs together in the top tier, and saves us for “Tier 1A: The champs.”
“bc as stated your marginal taxation requirement of adding $20m into the âplayer poolâ for every $20m in ghost money could only correct the underlying issue by implicitly increasing the actual player share of bri above the explicit 51% cba rev share. the owners have made it clear they will never accept an implicit rev share change through any sort of mechanism like this.”
But this revenue sharing is strictly in regard to BRI. The money here is not BRI, not even in the sense that Luxury tax is BRI. It could be defined and repurposed however the sides agree to doing it. This is something that seems like can be negotiated and resolved without too much difficulty.
and…FUCK YOU, Jimmy Dolan. Incompetent is one thing…cheapskae is worse. Bring back SELL THE KNICKS tshirts
I’ll say it again: we all thought winning a championship would validate the Knicks, but it turns out that the Knicks winning a championship invalidated championships!
This will be quite interesting because no one is going to forget Dolan said “I’ll cut any check you ask as long as it doesn’t go into the second apron.”
The Knicks will be able to stay under the second apron now. Quite easily, I think, because KAT’s definitely not getting any max offers. But the tax bill is going to be enormous.
I agree with Hollinger that it is fair to assume that OKC and SAS have advantages over us and should be ranked above us. I also agree that the loss of Mitch is somewhat marginal (and that the team can make a net improvement over last year’s team even without Mitch if things break well as we move along. To be fair, I believe that the ceiling for this year is lowered by Dolan’s decree, although there is a tradeoff in that it makes things look rosier for keeping most if not all of the starters together for the 2-3 years after that, i.e. a contender with a Brunson-KAT-OG big 3.
“Iâll say it again: we all thought winning a championship would validate the Knicks, but it turns out that the Knicks winning a championship invalidated championships!”
There is no rule that says that when a team wins a championship it is automatically the favorite to repeat.
Not even when that team is coming off one of the few most dominant playoff runs of all time, or even the single most dominant by certain metrics?
When was the last time an NBA champion kept its core intact and was not the favorite to repeat?
The Hollinger position is enraging on one level, but I sort of get it on another level. Basically, the Knicks of the regular season, most of the 82 games, were pretty mediocre. It wasn’t until what appears to be the KAT key unlocked totally unexpected levels of superiority that we were playing championship-level ball. And even with that, we had to repeatedly come back against impossible odds in improbable ways against the Spurs.
So there is certainly a question of which Knicks team will show up next year, even with most of the same players. Which will show up in the regular season AND which will show up in the playoffs (since it could be different). It’ll make for an interesting year…
“Not even when that team is coming off one of the few most dominant playoff runs of all time, or even the single most dominant by certain metrics?”
No, not even.
“When was the last time an NBA champion kept its core intact and was not the favorite to repeat?”
Who cares? Every year is different. And btw you must know there are folks here who are adamant that this particular NBA champion did NOT keep its core intact.
I should actually extend my “who cares?” to the whole issue. Should it really matter who is favored? Why do you seem to think that it’s some kind of massive diss?
But this revenue sharing is strictly in regard to BRI. The money here is not BRI, not even in the sense that Luxury tax is BRI. It could be defined and repurposed however the sides agree to doing it. This is something that seems like can be negotiated and resolved without too much difficulty.
no the point isn’t that the money is bri. the point is that when you make a dollar of money not count toward the cap without changing the cap, then actual salaries will by definition rise relative to the cap. but then you have a potential problem, bc the design of the cap is intended to make the 51pct rule work well enough so the players don’t have to give back a bunch of money at year end which causes them to angrily fire union officials and plant fake trees. they are smart enough to escrow it so they aren’t literally writing checks but they are still making less than their contract and this is never met well.
in fact one very underreported story which has cause a lot of actual confusion/annoyance for a lot of players is that they have actually made 5-10pct less than their reported salaries over the last two years because of the 51pct anchor and because the apron system has actually resulted in payrolls that were higher than expected, plus secret optimism that bri would beat expectations didn’t materialize.
when you add room for ghost salary that doesn’t count toward the cap, then you exacerbate this clawback problem. cap payroll stays the same (the whole idea is teams will take advantage of the cap benefit) but actual cash salary goes up. cash salary is what is limited by bri. the tax you propose can only mitigate this if it goes to the players and increase bri above 51pct. if it acts like a luxury tax it doesn’t address the issue. or you could reduce the cap simultaneously, but good luck with that.
Although I prefer a young athtletic 7 footer that can be a lob threat over Jonas Valenciunas or Capella. Drummond and one of them two are fine replacements as minute eaters during regular season…we may loose a couple of games because of their inability to make winning plays but who cares. People need to stop focusing on regular season. We’re way past that….
Mitch effects an evenly matched playoff series outcome. He materially alters what happens on the court and changes the spots where on the floor the battle is won or lost.
That’s when MItch will be missed.
What’s frustrating is that I know 100% that it won’t be obvious to most…someone else will catch the blame if we don’t get back to the finals. It won’t be Dolan.
Making 2nd half runs and Brunson clutch shots could be all be for nothing… if they can’t get that last stop to win the game or that key offensive rebound to extend their runs and brake teams.
The Knicks closed out the regular season on a 28-11 run, which is a 59 win pace. They then went 16-3 in the playoffs, including a 15-1 run to close out the season. They were the #2 defense in the NBA from January 20 on (which is the time frame in which they went 28-11). Then they were both the #1 offense and #1 defense in the postseason.
I think some people are STILL not catching on to the idea that the Knicks were a very good team. There’s this sort of general sense of “everything fell just right for them and they got hot at the right time” floating around.
I’m personally fine with that. Let the league underestimate us. We should be heavy favorites in the East. The Knicks’ true talent level seems to be “top 5 offense, top 5 defense” even with Mitch’s departure.
Director, while I understand the utility of having Mitch available to be in the game in key situations, I think you are overstating that utility.
I suspect the Knicks will win another title but I doubt it will be next year. 2027-28 seems like a better bet. That’s when SGA and Wemby are both on super max contracts and their teams will begin to lose key pieces.
I also think it might take another year to replace Mitch with someone who can actually play 12 minutes in an NBA finals.
The important thing is that we don’t lose to the fucking Pacers.
“the tax you propose can only mitigate this if it goes to the players and increase bri above 51pct”
But I am specifically saying that this particular tax not count as bri, but still go to players. There are clever ways of doing it…such as divvying it up among all players in a “leveled senior vet’s minimum” that doesn’t impact the cap.
Hope you’re right, brother but my instinct are telling me otherwise.
Time will tell so TBD, I guess.
Smacks of Knicks for clicks.
Still, we were all talking about how underwhelming the starting unit was up through game 3 of the first round. Hard to reconcile the before and after. Is there any data on how long it takes a team to gel?
OKC wasn’t fully healthy in the playoffs… or for most the year.
Spurs are likely to take a jump just based on age.
Mitch was very good at guarding Wemby in the finals, but then again, so was OG when he was on him.
No one currently on the market will be able to approach that one necessary skill, but idk if it will be as necessary in 2027.
I personally think OKC got better than SAS did this offseason and also feel OKC was the better team last year⌠they just had some key injuries in their series against SAS.
So who knows what will happen, especially with injuries, but those three teams are a cut above, and I like our chances.
But I am specifically saying that this particular tax not count as bri, but still go to players. There are clever ways of doing itâŚsuch as divvying it up among all players in a âleveled senior vetâs minimumâ that doesnât impact the cap.
zman this was my original point. if you take new owner money and give it to the players but not semantically or legally count it as a contribution toward their share of bri, this is implicitly increasing the players’ actual share of the revenue pool. this is the one thing the owners (and players as well, reciprocally) have steadfastly refused to consider. if you want a cba that sends more dollars as a percent of revenue to one side or the other you need to explicitly change bri, and that is also very hard to do.
The key point I was making wasn’t “best” it was “own”.
IMO if you draft, trade and sign free agents well you shouldn’t get punished for being smart. The idea should be to hold rich people in check so they can’t use their money as a dominant advantage and create superstar teams.
This was not just holding Dolan in check financially. It was placing such prohibitive conditions on retaining Mitch it was a legitimately difficult basketball strategy decision. I
f we remained over the 2nd apron for several years it would start impacting our ability to make draft picks later.
So the question was do we pay all this extra money and go over now or should we delay it a year or two (or forever) and go over later so we can retain the more important players without impacting picks later.
Iâm fine with the pundits dismissing our team and not making us favorites. It will knot motivate our guys to prove them wrong.
Iâm also fine with us being âonlyâ a 50ish win team in the regular season again while Brown continues to give guys like Diawara. Kolek, etcâŚextended run and experiments with different line ups, etc.
Cause it will be fucking hilarious when weâre only winning 53 games or so and all the idiot sports pundits will go on and on about how our championship run was a fluke and then weâll shut them all the hell up again when we go on another dominant run.
Our squad knows the regular season doesnât mean shit. Let some paper tiger like Detroit or Philly wrack up 60 wins and think that means theyâre already the champs.
Hell, Mike. Maybe tell KAT not to do too much playoff PG KAT in the regular season and fool everyone into thinking it was all a mirage.
If I was going to design a salary structure to distribute talent and prevent super teams I would limit max contracts. I would also get rid of years of experience raising max contracts it would only raise minimum contracts. My goal would be to raise the median salary not the max salary that way it benefits the maximum number of players and not just the ones at the top.
I would set the maximum for a regular contract at 20% of the salary cap. Then have a single 30% max that each team can sign one player to. Each team would only be allowed one 30% max salary on their roster at a time. The length limit would be 4 years for regular contracts and 2 years for max ones that way teams won’t get locked into max contracts. If a player is making that kind of money they don’t need the security of longer contracts. I would also get rid of extensions. I think that is where teams get into real trouble and it is the thing that prevents free agency from really happening.
Maybe instead of extensions if both a player and their team agree they can renegotiate/opt out of contracts in the summer before their final year.
I would keep the cap – then tax – then punitive apron structure that exists but I would for the apron part maybe only count players making over 10% of the cap towards the apron. All of your salary counts towards the cap and tax but only big contracts towards the apron.
That way it pushes teams to have less big salaries while not hollowing out middle class. Like maybe the 1st apron is equal to the cap and the 2nd apron is equal to the tax but only some of your roster counts towards it.
This would theoretically spread out the best players to more teams while raising the salaries for the maximum number of players by boosting the number of players making between 5-10% of cap since they won’t count towards the punitive apron penalties.
Having three max salaries on one team like in OKC is not what was intended and is probably not good for parity. And escalating max contracts have really been hammering older max players and hampering their teams. We don’t need older players to have higher max contracts, just higher minimum ones and we don’t need super teams with multiple superstars.
Also, if teams are worried about players leaving for new teams you could add a 2-3% bonus to all salaries that doesn’t count towards the cap, tax, or apron that kicks in after 4 years with the same team.
ptmilo,
IMO the goal should not be a perfect set of rules for a complex set of interests.
The goal should be simpler, like take away the large excesses in the system that mostly have to do with money, but not for players you already have.
Of course teams and players will look for advantages and money will still be an advantage, but so what?
Businesses and people do that every day in every business on earth and some big market success is good for the league overall (more fans).
It’s that very pursuit of a perfect set of rules, perfect balance, perfect parity etc.. for a very complex situation that is gaining us very litte but adding so much complexity no one understands it all unless they are crazy enough to put a lot of energy into it or make their living that way. And in the end, the smartest teams find new ways to take advantage of the new rules anyway.
By the way, imo the same was true of the draft lottery. In the pursuit of a perfect set of rules they made a simple set of goals into a worse situation for years.
I still donât understand what happened with KAT. He was a completely different and far better player.
But if that guy is back for 36 minutes a game, we should be ok
DeRozan has been waived. Now we play the waiting game…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVNMmsN3Co
I think that’s probably correct because OKC had some key injuries in the playoffs and is still young enough to have some internal upside, SA is very young and very likely to improve if they all stay healthy, and the Knicks are very good but lost Mitch and have less internal upside than either of the other two.
We are contenders, but less likely than OKC (who I would make the favorite) and SA. Obviously though, there will be changes between now and the playoffs next year that could elevate some teams and diminsh others.
Ben R, I agree with your premise about max contracts. They seem disproportionate to the cap, and that seems counterproductive. That’s why I am suggesting a workaround, so that players like Jokic and Giannis (and soon, maybe our beloved captain) don’t strangle their team’s fortunes just by being great and getting compensated as such. It seems that the vast majority of the player’s share of BRI is going to the vast minority of players. Look at the Knicks, for example. *2% of the salary cap space is going to 3 players, even though none of them are making the max. OG is at 26% and Brunson is at 23% of the cap, respectively.
Any salary over 30% of the cap is going to be a detriment to teambuilding. I am suggesting a salary cap structure that somehow pays those guys out of a separate pool of money, principally a tax paid by those teams that goes into something separate and apart from BRI and the cap based on it. Maybe some sort of separate “profit-sharing fund.” Mayb even delayed compensation.
Owners would go for it because it lessens the “age of superstar” disadvantage that might have nothing to do with talent. If they aren’t benefiting now, they will in a few years, while those benefiting now will one day be retooling with younger players. If the caveat is that you can only do it with one player, or only homegrown players, so be it. There is definitely way to make it a Win-Win, or at least a Win-NOT LOSE situation.
If you had a flat 30% max it would be around $48-50 million this year. And if you forced maxes to be shorter and limited the number per team it would remove the harm and risk an older superstar poses for a team.
The pain a team should feel needs to force them off of players making 25%+ of the cap not off of role players and vets making 5-10% of the cap.
Right now the incentive structure is wrong and ultimately creates a haves and have not type structure that OKC is really maximizing and other teams will follow even more if this structure continues.
Boy, DeRozan would really be an incredible signing. He can handle the ball a ton, and he turns it over less than Brunson.
His defense is quite bad, though. If only we had a great defensive center on the second unit to cover that up.
The next CBA needs to hit back at small market teams after they were allowed to stack the deck in their favor. It should include a wealth tax on asset hoarding, i.e. no one should be allowed to hold more than x amount of surplus firsts. That will level the playing field.
Actually I have a better idea⌠every surplus 1st counts as salary for luxury tax/apron purposes.
1st surplus pick in a given year = $4 towards luxury tax/apron
2nd surplus pick in a given year = $8M
Something like that would cost the Thunder just as much in luxury tax as a backup center would cost a large market team, and theyâd be forced to make the same hard decisions they forced everyone else to make when Silver let them write the new CBA
Damn, sorry cyber. Great game, lousy finish.
Well, Spain is a great team, we have a great team too, but i didn’t feel we played our best at any point in this World Cup. We had some chances, they had more… analytically they were winning. LOL
But what matters is who scores, so i kept believing, but in the end they were the ones to do it. Congrats to them, and for us on to the next. Where we’ll be at home, so our nation hopes will be high again.
Now you want to penalize teams for being smart and trading over the hill/overrated players for picks?
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I much prefer that you report on a new young center for us who is under 30 who is 6-10 or above and who can play at least a little bit of defense.
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You get what you get and you donât get upset, Doogie.
Following the departures of Mitchell Robinson (to the Celtics) and third-stringer Ariel Hukporti (to the 76ers), the Knicks still have about $6.2 million in room under the second apron to fill out their roster. Remaining available options include:Jonas Valanciunas: SNY reported that Valanciunas remains firmly on New Yorkâs radar as a potential third center, assuming he becomes available or is bought out.Nick Richards: The former Charlotte big man emerged as a top available free-agent target.Kevon Looney: Mentioned as a potential veteran option on the dwindling big-man market.Trade Candidates: Reports also indicate the Knicks are keeping an eye on younger, controllable centers available via trade, such as Musa Diabate.
Not upset; just slightly impatient. I felt the same way when we seemingly spent weeks and weeks finagling something or other before we finally re-signed Precious a couple of years ago.
It’s only “smart” to do this because the CBA artificially inflates the value of picks and deflates the value of older players
Mara is slow as hell, but opposing players get the yips they meet him at the rim. Iâm gonna miss having that effect on other teams.đ˘
I think a lot of waivers and buyouts happen after the team and the player figure a landing spot for the player. Once there is a destination the team losing the player knows they will not have to pay all the remaining salary because some will be paid by the new team. The Knicks, Valenciunas and Denver are probably already talking. That doesnât mean it will happen, just that it is an option.
I’m gonna guess we end up keeping Sochan and roster the 2 rookies. Maybe just 1 rookie to leave us more flexibility.
Also, for those of you pining for Veesaar, he looks pretty bad; he just got out-rebounded by Stirtz.
Hollingerâs article cited above is interesting. Reading between the lines, it seems like he is predicting the East to be strong this year. Nine of the fourteen teams he mentions are in the east.
How about this:
No more bullshit rookie scale. When you draft a player they become your RFA and you have to sign them outright or match a competing offer sheet. If you don’t pay their value someone else gets them. You are allowed to exceed the cap to sign rookies you drafted.
Max contract stays the same regardless of years of experience.
Who says no?
Hogwash… draft picks have always been valuable. They are the only way to roster talent cheaply.
Older good player value isn’t deflated, but non top ten player paid the max incorrectly certainly are.
They should just get rid of the super maxes for players who win awards and not have maxes increase with age. In the NBA having ten years of experience doesnât mean you are better, actually you might be worse. So why should your salary be more? It distorts the market and makes it harder to build teams around stars.
Yes.
Just like how we were penalized for being smart and building a team that could win multiple championships.
In sports there is a built in punishment for trading vets to stockpile assets: losing a shit ton of money.
But the NBA created a socialist regime, so small market teams â and only small market teams â get to stockpile assets, lose a shit ton of money, and get bailed out by the Knicks Lakers and Warriors.
Itâs an unfair advantage. And the whole point of the CBA is to eliminate those. You got rid of the big marketsâ advantage, now get rid of the smallâs.
This is entirely because of the rookie scale. Do you think Wemby plays for $13M if his salary isn’t artificially suppressed?
Why do you think only small market teams can stockpile assets? Didn’t Boston stockpile assets when they traded KG and Pierce to Brooklyn for a ton of picks?
This looks like your fatherâs USMNT
No one was “penalized”. The rules (system) was mutally collectively bargained between management and labor to their mutual benefit. The rules are well known to all parties. Every new CBA some of the rules are changed mutually. Everyone is aware of the process.
The Knicks chose one path of roster construction, OKC a different one. Both were suscessful.
The Knicks eschewed Mitch in favor of Shammet and Alvarado. OKC chose to jettison Isiah Joe and when Shai’s extension kicks in next season they will likely have to kiss Caruso and maybe more good bye.
These are collectively bargained rules that everyone is aware of. Had the Knicks not chosen the path of swapping 2 useless bodies and 5 picks for a very good Bridges, they never would have gotten close to a championship. They consciously played their assets in a certain way, and now they have to deal with the consequences.
If a 65 year Knick fan and I don’t see the injustice.
The issue with the “management” side of the negotiating table is that it is top-heavy with small-market teams. There are really only a few big market teams: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Warriors. Then there are the faux big market teams: Bulls, Pistons, Rockets, Miami…but policy is set by the majority, and therefore, policy favors those teams. If the big market teams had their way, Adam Silver would be gone.
BTW, there’s a similar situation in my union, the CSA Council of Supervisors and Administrators. The majority of the membership are not principals, but assistant principals and educational administrators. Since it’s one member, one vote, It’s also odd that principals supervise assistant principals, so when there are tensions in a particular school, it is potentially weird to have the same union represent both parties.
According to bref, Andre and Jonas are essentially the same player. Andre being a bit better rebounder, Jonas much better at free throws and three pointers (unless one believes that Andre’s past year is indicative of things going forward, in which case no). Same height, Andre is 15 lbs um, larger.
Kind of weird to have them both, although if the goal is to hurt Wemby it’s a nice tag team…
Oh well on the soccer thing.
Seems like Belgium is the better team, but I’m a novice fan, so asking for a friend…
Going out with a whimper
i’m with the: we don’t need them stinkin’ small market teams crowd…i’ve never really cared enough to look at nba financials…yeah…
feeling extra spicy cuz i got some knicks in ’26 champion tees in…doogie with the absolutely correct call there đ
bad enough oklahoma city and san antonio are threatening to steal one of our future chips (nothing promised of course) – imagine if sacramento, memphis or worse yet indianapolis ever nab a title…yeah, no thanks…gonna be really bummed if charlotte somehow beats us in the playoffs some day…
rooting for the pelicans actually, rooting for them to change that stoopid name…leave the bird stuff behind, maybe somethin reptilian, and large…HAL’s helping now…okay – they have legit claim to diamondbacks, cottonmouth, maybe not, timber rattlesnake – that’s a really good one there…
they could do the gator thing, genuine for them…snapping turtles are fairly ornery looking…
i see now they got bull sharks in some of the inland waterways – that’s just the best…
no thanks for naming the team this, bird rankings:
– seagulls
– pigeons
– pelicans
– vultures
US sucked, giveaway after giveaway.
Totally outclassed.
This is the US men level, rd of 16. They still aren’t good enough to beat teams as good as Belgium in a World Cup knockout game. It sucks cause this has been the level for past 20 years and in some ways feels like they’ve regressing in the past decade.
Anyone can do it. But only small market teams dodge the financial consequences of it.
Why do you think you always hear about how rebuilding isnât an option for the Knicks? You have to go for the revenue. No oneâs lining your pockets if you donât like the Thunder.
Boston didnât stockpile. They made one lopsided trade and bounced back very quickly behind Isaiah Thomas.
The highwater mark for US soccer remains the Cosmos in the 70âs and early 80âs. I canât believe I wasted time watching this crap.
Sounds like youâre saying an asset tax wonât be âpenalizingâ anyone as long as itâs collectively bargained.
This whole apron system is a overreaction to the Golden State Warriors. The system was created to make it easier for small markets to compete. Itâs gone too far in their favor now.
I believe it already has been bargained. I honestly don’t get your beef other than Dolan chose NOT to make the assests available to re sign Mitch. He certainly could have, but chose not to.
i prefer the NBA system to MLB where Pittsburgh, Cincinatti. Tampa Bay and the like don’t have the income stream to be competitive (generally).
Any aspect of the CBA has to be approved by the majority of teams. If the majority of teams are in medium or small markets, they are going to always have an outsized voice. There is really nothing short of seceding and forming another league that big market teams can do to overrule the voice of the majority. And since the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, and Warriors have all won championships recently, I doubt that there is much sympathy for the plight of the poor big market teams.
This “injustice” talk is way over the top. The Knicks have a Dolan problem, not an “injustice” problem.
And I prefer the association football system, where if you sell off all your players for assets you get relegated and everyone who did it loses their job.
Charles was a real one who looked at his weak son and figured out a way to leave him a childproof business that he can’t fuck up.
I have friends and family that sell their complicated high margin businesses and buy a bunch of low margin but safe type business like gas stations with dunkins on them & apartment buildings to leave to their mediocre and entitled kids.
Guitar Jimmy doesn’t feel like owes NYC, Knicks fans, current players and coaches or Mitchel Robinson anything. He doesn’t feel or even understand the burden of doing the right thing because he was never on the other side of it. He never over-performed or over-achieved for his boss and waited on them to reward him. He never has to worry about a customer switching brand allegiance.
It’s not all billionaires or capitalist issue…the self made ones are a completely different breed; they are actually the most noble leaders; it’s the ones who didn’t earn their power positions to understand their societal responsibility of capital allocation.
Can someone tell me what Jim’s total cost would have been for this one year, if he paid Mitch $25m?
Watched a couple minutes of SL today. Veesaar looked like a stiff. Mara didn’t look much better. Reed put up numbers but didn’t like his defense on the couple plays I saw.
Not enough to draw conclusions on but that never stopped anyone from doing it anyway. Would’ve greatly preferred Reed to the others based on an absurdly small sample.
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