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“Who Cares? Let’s Talk About OG Re-Signing”: The 2024 NBA Draft Thread

The Knicks might make a pick, so tonight does matter, but there is so much in the air with the possibility of the team being hard-capped at the first apron. So maybe they trade their picks?

I have no idea.

I am still excited about Mikal Bridges, though.

EDITED TO ADD: I imagine everyone expected it, but it is finalized, OG got compensated for his fee-fees with a very nice bag, 5 years/$212.5 million. The Knicks now have quite the roster! Hooray! Now find a way to re-sign iHart!

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By the way, I believe that even if they avoid the first apron hard cap, they would be hard-capped period at the second apron, right? So I believe that would have knocked them out of the running for iHart this year period, no?

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OG IS BACK! 5/$212.5M, and I’m happy he got every penny.

Holy shit, this team is fucking good.

BC, if it’s the second apron they could somewhat comfortably bring back iHart. Would take a little maneuvering but nothing insurmountable.

Frank just texted me to say that, “Basic excel spreadsheet shows starting salary is 36.1 with 8% raises.” So it could be at the low end of OG’s projection, salary-wise. It’s just a number that starts with a 2 because of that fifth, player option year, when a lot of prior speculation was about a four-year deal.

Still, let’s fucking go!

This is the train I’ve always been on and I’m not getting off!

Just holy shit Leon Rose. That dude is literally Vito Corleone.

And he held the picks he needed in this year’s draft to develop talent at low cost. He gets 3 picks and needs to hit on 1.

@IanBegley
OG Anunoby had max offers from other places but saw the vision with the Knicks and wanted to help build a true contender in the Garden, SNY sources say.

Excuse me. It just got really dusty in here all of a sudden.

So much for the “OG is jelly of the Nova Boys!”

But I was told we had hard intelligence that he was sick of the Nova boys triumvirate?

BC, if it’s the second apron they could somewhat comfortably bring back iHart. Would take a little maneuvering but nothing insurmountable.

Well, we could offer him the max we’re allowed to which is something like $16.5M/year. Because we only have is early bird rights, there’s no way for us to match any offer more than that.

Very happy. OG is my favorite Knick, other than Brunson, in a long time.

What are the odds of resigning IHart? Sub 10%?

What are the odds of resigning IHart? Sub 10%?

Going by Spotrac’s numbers, our salary is $175M. That’s $3M below the first addition and $14M below the second. If that number is accurate we have 0 chance if we’re hard capped at the first apron. A slight chance if we can go to the second.

If OG had a max offer shouldn’t someone be getting docked picks for tampering?

Apparently a max FA offer for OG would’ve averaged 45.5m over 4 years. Knicks max offer was 49.5m over 5 years. OG getting 42.5m over 5 years seems about right.

now that it’s a Nova quadrumvirate, OG is back in the fold baby!

If OG had a max offer shouldn’t someone be getting docked picks for tampering?

Not just “max offer,” “max offers.” Plural.

Comes ultimately from the same source that insisted there were a bunch of teams lined up to empty their asset chests for him when he was with TO.

He has very good representation that talks his book very well. And ultimately it’s good PR for both him and the team. Best to look at it in that sense, rather than terms of actual truth. Ultimately harmless, but shouldn’t be cited or credited in any serious basketball discussion.

For posterity:

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Ron Holland
3. Donovan Clingan
4. Nikola Topic
5. Stephon Castle
6. Matas Buzelis
7. Isaiah Collier
8. Devin Carter
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Jared McCain
11. Zaccharie Risacher
12. Alexandre Sarr
13. Kyle Filipowski
14. Johnny Furphy
15. Dalton Knecht
16. Tyler Smith
17. DaRon Holmes
18. Zach Edey
19. Tyler Kolek
20. Bub Carrington
21. Kel’el Ware
22. Baylor Scheierman
23. Jaylon Tyson
24. Dillon Jones
25. Juan Nunez
26. Pacome Dadiet
27. Cody Williams
28. Jonathan Mogbo
29. Ryan Dunn
30. Yves Missi
31. KJ Simpson
32. Terrence Shannon Jr.
33. Enrique Freeman
34. Jamal Shead
35. Ulrich Chomche
36. Tidjane Salaun
37. Nikola Djurisic
38. Ja’Kobe Walter
39. Anton Watson
40. Tristan Da Silva
41. Cam Spencer
42. Adem Bona
43. Pelle Larsson
44. Justin Edwards
45. Ajay Mitchell
46. Bobi Klintman
47. Trey Alexander
48. Oso Ighoaro
49. Trentyn Flowers
50. Kevin McCullar Jr.
51. Kyshawn George
52. Cam Christie
53. Harrison Ingram
54. Keshad Johnson
55. AJ Johnson
56. Jaylen Wells
57. Isaiah Crawford
58. Antonio Reeves
59. Melvin Ajinca
60. Reece Beekman

E’s conspiracy theory that CAA successfully drums up significant league wide interest in OG Anunoby that is actually non-existent, and doesn’t do this for any of their other clients for some reason, is my favorite E nonsense.

I hope my son never takes me to the woodshed like this.

This made me lol because Hubert’s son probably will.

If iHart walks, as looks very likely, here’s what appears to be your final tally of the “lets accumulate draft picks rather than use them and trade them for a superstar” era.

Out:

2022 lottery pick (Jalen Williams available)
RJ Barrett
Immanuel Quickley
Quentin Grimes
2025 unprotected 1
2027 unprotected 1
2028 unprotected swap
2029 unprotected 1
2031 unprotected 1

In:

OG Anunoby
Mikal Bridges
Washington fugazi
Detroit fugazi

That’s … really not so great. But it’s a very good team as it stands now, so we’ll see.

What I really hope didn’t happen was JB and the Nova crew whispering at the deadline last year that Mikal wanted to come to Manhattan and Leon punting on DJM at much lower cost as a result and then getting taken to the cleaners now. I have my suspicions that was the real “chemistry” issue re DJM. That would have unquestionably been a better route.

But it’s a compelling team. One without a lot of flexibility going forward. We’ll see.

Anyone who is arguing about value at this point isn’t being intellectually honest. This is the best Knicks team since the 1990s. One can’t predict championships etc. But the low bar for this team over the next 3-5 years is conference finals. That’s a good bar.

Ps: I will yell and scream as much as the next person when/if they lose in the playoffs about all the shit they should be doing differently. But that’s a hell of a lot better than it’s been in a generation.

@wojespn
The Washington Wizards are trading F Deni Avdija to the Portland Trail Blazers for Malcolm Brogdon and the 14th pick tonight and 2029 pick, sources tell ESPN.

E, your shtick isn’t sticking. Please change your narrative. The narrative has changed to basketball strategy in terms of how to build offense and defense strategies to beat great teams. The conversation about asset usage is over. Leon is in the 99th percentile in job performance at this point.

A player option and a trade kicker. Nothing about games played. This was a shellacking.

But when you sign Jalen Brunson for 4/100, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

So cheers, Leon. You may have just assembled the best Knicks team of my lifetime.

E, your shtick isn’t sticking. Please change your narrative. The narrative has changed to basketball strategy in terms of how to build offense and defense strategies to beat great teams.

Covered at length. Change coaches. Lose Moneyball.

Jalen is one of those guys who cares more about winning than more millions. Not saying those who feel differently are wrong. But that’s what real leadership is about

A lot of keystrokes were wasted worrying about OG coming back. The only reason I said it was 99% was a kind of gamblers obligation to assume the almost impossible could happen. It was certain.

So, E, now you are saying that we are coaching strategy and player execution from being a title team?

I’ve been saying the time is now and they’re a contender with a tentpole superstar since like January.

The invented me has been saying a bunch of stuff, I guess, but who cares about him? (Beyond apparently some people on KB of course.) Plus the stuff he says becomes hard to keep track of.

On to the real issues of the C position, draft, and backup PG position!

Let’s go Brock!

Let’s go Leon!

Dejounte Murray DMs random people on Twitter to complain about his role so I don’t think potential chemistry issues were a CAA psy op

A lot of keystrokes were wasted worrying about OG coming back.

I used my keystrokes worrying that we would pay him something like 5 years, $212.5MM, with a trade kicker, a player option, and prima nocta.

Interesting way to frame the last few offseasons:

@NBA_NewYork
Pick A or B:

A. Knicks give: RJ, IQ, 3 unprotecteds, multiple swaps, another young player not QG
Knicks get: Donovan Mitchell

B. Knicks give: RJ, IQ, 4 unprotecteds, 1 protected, 1 swap, 3 seconds, QG
Knicks get: OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges (& Precious)

The in-out chart of the last few offseasons is better.

To even begin to do that dude’s idea right, you have to add back in iHart to A. And you have to include the now pretty much fully charred 2022 lottery pick. That’s when the story really starts and the lines of descent are easy.

@IanBegley
OG Anunoby had max offers from other places but saw the vision with the Knicks and wanted to help build a true contender in the Garden, SNY sources say.

Substitute I-Hart for Anunoby in this tweet, and Leon gets an A+++

The Washington Wizards are trading F Deni Avdija to the Portland Trail Blazers for Malcolm Brogdon and the 14th pick tonight and 2029 pick, sources tell ESPN

What?! How does that make any sense?! Can we trade with Washington because they pretty clearly have no idea what they’re doing.

Our one chance at Hartenstein would seem to be convincing him to pull a KCP, sign for one year, and pay him next year.

trying to guess someone who might go way higher than expected. maybe dillingham? not too many electric players and you have maxey recency effect. tho i think i saw someone tweet he is sliding.

I used my keystrokes worrying that we would pay him something like 5 years, $212.5MM, with a trade kicker, a player option, and prima nocta.

So… were you hoping we’d lose him for nothing, or are are you going to channel E’s ability to know the true Kelly Blue Book value of OG with absolute certainty and proceed to argue that we could have kept him for $30m?

Or better yet, signed & traded him for DeJounte Murray?

trying to guess someone who might go way higher than expected

Bub may have worked his way into the lottery, though that wouldn’t be much of a shocker.

My stab at a real one: is it totally out of the question the first team looking for a center prefers Edey to Clingan?

My stab at a real one: is it totally out of the question the first team looking for a center prefers Edey to Clingan?

i like this one. exactly the kind of moonshot that’s on almost no mocks.

claxton getting 4/100 makes me think our best shot at ihart might be a wink wink 1/1 rather than 4/72.

were you hoping we’d lose him for nothing, or are are you going to channel E’s ability to know the true Kelly Blue Book value of OG with absolute certainty and proceed to argue that we could have kept him for $30m?

Not at all.

I hate the deal, but I’m thrilled we got it done.

A for Leon.

A+ for Leon’s son.

Claxton getting 4yr/100m from BK, yeah iHart is definitely getting way better offers than 4yr/72m.

Hubert, if you “hate the deal” how can you then give Leon an “A”?

For me, the contract is probably a bit high, but this is where it was heading after you traded (overpaid) for a guy with good agents who’s a UFA and a nice player. I’m actually pretty indifferent about it in particular. The market is what it is.

More a list of people I like, most of whom I’ve mentioned elsewhere:

Edey
Collier
Devin Carter
Filipowski
DaRon Holmes
Mogbo
Ighodoro
KJ Simpson
Scheierman
Shead
Isaiah Crawford
Missi
Salaun

I have no idea who anyone in the top-10 is or what they’re good at.

I think the OG deal was fine, but please, Knicks PR, spare us the “OG gave the Knicks a discount!” attempt at a narrative.

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He has very good representation that talks his book very well. And ultimately it’s good PR for both him and the team. Best to look at it in that sense, rather than terms of actual truth. Ultimately harmless, but shouldn’t be cited or credited in any serious basketball discussion.

Sure, I suppose, but aren’t you the guy who spent half the week taking seriuosly an unsourced allegation from “certain people” because it fit your stupid anti-Knicks regime narrative?

OG needs to used more in the offense. Make him earn that cash

Don’t be shocked if he has some conditions written into the contract on his weight or conditioning to help with injury issues.

I think he’s going to come back a little lighter, with a better handle and be a better finisher in non dunk situations. The Knicks are going to demand development.

Anyhow, this draft should be fascinating. I wonder if Atlanta is going to be smart enough to not draft Risacher #1

I used my keystrokes worrying that we would pay him something like 5 years, $212.5MM, with a trade kicker, a player option, and prima nocta.

If it’s true he had multiple max offers on the table (no reason to doubt that) then it looks like we gave him an extra year and flexibility to take a little less than a 5 year max. It’s a fair deal.

If Silver was trying to win the crowd with that Boston homage he is an idiot

I think we have just enough to come under the hard cap to add 24, 25, 38, Rokas, and a taxpayer MLE if we cut DaQuan and Diakite.

The French Josh Childress.

With the caveat that there will probably be a breakthrough that makes this look premature/silly, the top end of this draft is putrid.

I would probably take Reed Shepherd at #1? Maybe trade Trae first though.

any time you can draft a kid who averaged 10 points for a shitty french team you’re crazy not to do it

then again what do I know, he’s like 19 maybe he’ll turn out to be good

The Risacher hype makes me feel like I’m going insane. It’s one thing if the numbers and tape diverge…but Risacher’s tape is also very underwhelming! I think he’ll have a long career as a wing who can shoot and defend, which would be a great outcome with the 20th pick or so.

I think Landry Fields’ GM career might be shorter than his playing career.

Sarr straight up refused to work out for the Hawks, I think this has to be the first time in living memory someone has wanted to play for the Wizards

I know nothing about this draft but started five games is a red flag

Setting his ceiling at DDV

Sarr has much cooler tape, but his numbers were flat out middling in a weak league. I can’t justify taking him over someone like Clingan.

I think Landry Fields’ GM career might be shorter than his playing career.

Risacher probably reminds Landry of himself

I know nothing about this draft but started five games is a red flag

Kentucky foolishness, they played both their best players off the bench this year for some reason

Landry is two inches shorter and 15 pounds heavier. Well, at least he was listed that way when playing.

Sarr played in the Australian League the NBL, considering most washed up Americans ditch it for the Philippines kinda tells you the standard (NBL is probably the least watched League here in Australia, but our media goes berserk for anyone with NBL links getting drafted in NBA)

Hubert, if you “hate the deal” how can you then give Leon an “A”?

Because I love the team. The good deals and the bad deals average out to something great.

Good deals only matter because they help you get more players. If you have all the players, the last deal in can be the worst of the lot.

If I was a betting man, I’d say we pick Ware and Dunn at 24 and 25, but things could get really crazy.

I’m thinking that we go Dillingham/Furphy, which I won’t love at all. Unless, you know…….

If it’s true he had multiple max offers on the table (no reason to doubt that)

There’s plenty of reason to doubt that.

This could be bullshit, but I just read on Twitter that iHart is considering discounting to stay with the Knicks.

We can’t even escape the spoiled picks on the fucking broadcast huh?

I’d take the under on 0.5 all-NBA appearances in this draft, but if I’m wrong about that I think it’ll be because of Holland.

giving this pistons team to fred vinson is like asking clyde to moderate the presidential debate

The pick spoiling infuriates me. The reporters really can’t just agree to cool it on the scoops for 5 whole minutes for the sake of god damn tradition?

I know there have been some pretty bad NBA drafts in the past, but is this one the worst ever?

Detroit has to trade Ivey now, right? I like Holland, but the mismanagement by the Pistons over the years has been astounding.

Never mind on the trade, Fischer blew that one.

Don’t see it with Salaun.

I feel sorry for these kids when they try to score against the Knicks next season.

Clingan is not my thing, but I’m not out on him. He just seems pretty stiff to me, would be okay with him in the twenties but not this high.

i think playing behind clingan timelord and duop reath might finally convince ayton to draw a foul

The pick spoiling infuriates me. The reporters really can’t just agree to cool it on the scoops for 5 whole minutes for the sake of god damn tradition

These guys are fake journalists and only feel good about themselves when they get a scoop. It’s real dumb. Woj sucks.

Also reason #64682 to never look at Twitter

It’s coming in early on the ESPN tracker, too. For instance, the Spurs are taking Dillingham…

Clingan has a good shot at ROY IMO. Being absolutely massive and quick should play right out of the gate. If I had to say one player in the class will be unambiguously good with my life on the line, it’d be him.

Apparently Dillingham is going to Minny…

If we go best player available, we might end up with Collier and Ware.

Real contender trading for the 8th pick. Very interesting. Also dying to know the details.

Apparently just a 2031 pick and a swap for #8…? There’s gotta be more.

I kinda love the Edey pick. Don’t get too cute, go get him if you think he’s the guy. I’ll be fascinated by his career.

I am predicing right now that Edey will be better than Clingan.

What’s funny is that last year a lot of folks on this board were defending why Edey should go undrafted!

I guess if you really want to galaxy brain it, the Wolves do not project to be good in 2031. But also the sun might explode by then so I still wouldn’t trade the 8th overall pick for a 2031 pick.

9th pick in a weak draft that seems like a worthy gamble, if Edey can stay on the floor on defense at least most of the time he can cause problems

It’s nice that the Bulls will get Buzelis who is from Chi-town (unless they do something ridiculous).

I will monitor the Spurs’ subreddit for use of the word “incinerated”

Spurs incinerated the 8th pick in the draft!

Would work better if this was a normal draft instead of a historically bad one.

Trading out of a bad draft makes some sense but 7 years down the road is pretty weird, Pop is going to be dead before they make that pick

It’s speculation on a team that’s really good now sucking once this nucleus has its run. If Minny sucks when the decade turns, it’s a masterstroke.

Is the ESPN broadcast better than ABC’s? Can’t stand SAS and they’re barely talking about the actual players and what they can do on the court.

OKC getting Topic without having to do anything is so frustratingly on brand

OKC getting Topic without having to do anything is so frustratingly on brand

+10000

i’m a devin carter fan but surprised to see him go to a team with fox ellis and davion mitchell.

All these kids are gonna get a rude awakening to the NBA when they play against the grown ass men on the Knicks.

Topic is way overrated. Can’t shoot and his bag won’t fly in the NBA.

We talking about the same guy? 61/70 free throws in his career abroad.

Yeah the espn broadcast isn’t good but it’s completely inoffensive

OMG this is so much better. They’re actually talking about the players and what they can do.

You guys are crazy. That unprotected 2031 pick and the unprotected 2030 swap are worth gold on the trade market. The Spurs got a 5x return on blah pick in a shitty draft.

They don’t want one of these scrubs. They’re going to trade for a superstar in his prime.

They need to speed this thing up so I can catch South Africa vs Afghanistan in the T20 World Cup semifinals before bed.

I’m just grateful I randomly picked the non-Stephen A draft coverage. He is the fucking worst.

“We talking about the same guy? 61/70 free throws in his career abroad.”

Hmmm…didn’t you make the same argument about Killian Hayes?

Devin Carter is a pretty nice prospect, maybe not the best fit with Sacto but I think he’s got a good shot at being a good pro

Devin Carter is a pretty nice prospect, maybe not the best fit with Sacto but I think he’s got a good shot at being a good pro

personal favorite. he’s is in the mold of a max motor too-small defensive guard a la pat bev or jevon carter but he is an elite athlete and has much better stop start handle than guys like that. his shot looks off but i think it might be totally fine (but slow). he has pretty easy deep range for a funky setup.

Love Carter. Really wanted him for the Knicks but no way he’d fall that far. Funky shot, but it goes in pretty often.

Ware coming off the board hurts a bit, not sure there will be any center left I like all that much. Even Holmes is more of a 4 who can play the 5 in stretches.

Ware can actually shoot. Way more stretchy than Clingan or Edey. Some potential there if he brings the motor.

The run on centers definitely feels indicative of a market swing of sorts. Seems like teams have come to the conclusion the league went overboard with the whole “anyone can be a decent center” thing.

Ware has nice form but only took 40 threes and shot 63% from the line. Seems like a fake floorspacer.

Knecht’s fall isn’t surprising to me at all. He was really good, but he was playing against guys 4-5 years younger than him. Who the hell knows how he holds up against other grown men?

Philly unable to poach OG so they signed a tiktok celebrity instead. Good luck with that!

mccain does seem like a good get at 16. he’s small but he is more than just a great shooter and seems like a good bet to find ways to improve.

Now that Knecht is gone, the three risers are Edey, Carrington, and Ware.

I think some teams will regret passing over Knecht.

Philly getting McCain is annoying but he probably won’t bother us for a while behind Maxey. He’s definitely a good pick at that slot though.

The big guy from Baylor best available center if he’s there when Knicks pick?

I like Filipowski, Furphy, Mogbo, Missi seems reasonable, Schierman would be fine. . .plenty of solid guys left

Have we traded out of the draft yet? I kinda want to go to bed

Man, it’s been awhile since we were any good and had to suffer through this part of the draft…

The draft is pretty much going according to chalk. There has been a couple of risers (e.g.Edey) and slippers (e.g. Knecht) but no real surprises. The only two guys that have been picked significantly above where he was both on big boards and projected are Edey and Ware, and Edey was actually ranked high on some big boards.

I’m not sure if it matters but Dadiet has said he does not want to stay in Europe

I strove to be higher than consensus on Edey and Tyson and then they both went higher than I had them ranked. Good pick.

Interesting! So Tyson was projected to go at about #30. This means that the consensus guys going in the next 3 are Collier, Filipowski, and Missi. Will one of those 3 slip?

I like Missi as a Mitch Jr. and I guess I’m fine with Dunn. I’m half expecting a Kentucky reach like Edwards, though.

Edit: never mind re: Missi

Filipowski is a great fit if they think he’s good enough, but “double hip surgery” isn’t what you like to hear.

Well in next year’s draft we won’t have to suffer through anything since we won’t have a first round pick.

Is that Risacher in the Sprite commercial failing to dunk because he wants to be like Anthony Edwards but hasn’t put in the work?

Furphy, George, Collier, Kolek, Filipowski… there’s some good guys available!

Really good pick for the Nuggets IMO. Should be able to get minutes immediately behind Gordon and Jokic.

My friends in Denver said he’s the guy they wanted. I wonder who they were jumping

Some interesting guys available for us, should be interesting to see how we punt these picks

Well in next year’s draft we won’t have to suffer through anything since we won’t have a first round pick.

WAS could ride Sarr, Bub, and Brogdon to the 11th worst record in the league, you never know!

depending how you feel about twitter and shams, inside the association has some good analysis (i.e they talk about the players not themselves)
here

So I’m good with any 2 of who is left over from Filipowski, Sheierman, Dunn, and Dadiet.

Interesting that Kolek is still available…

Some interesting guys available for us, should be interesting to see how we punt these picks

Too soon

2nd rounders seem to have gotten a serious boost in value in the Second Apron Era. Denver moved up 6 spots with three of them, one of them being 56th.

Furphy, George, Collier, Kolek, Filipowski… there’s some good guys available!

Sorry, but there’s no way someone named Furphy is going to be a good NBA player. Can you imagine someone wearing a Furphy jersey? No, you can’t. I haven’t been this sure of a player’s career based on their name since Blaine Gabbert.

2nd rounders seem to have gotten a serious boost in value in the Second Apron Era. Denver moved up 6 spots with three of them, one of them being 56th.

I think Phoenix is just desperate for assets. Also, Phoenix is really dumb.

Collier or Kolek is such a great choice, I’m sure we’ll give it up.

I swear, almost all of these players look like they’re 13 years old.

Aaaaand we’re trading 24 to the Wizards. No word on the return. Might be hard capped at the first apron.

@ShamsCharania
Knicks traded No. 24 to Wizards for No. 26 and No. 51, sources say. Washington selects Kyshawn George 24th overall.

I’m fine with that. Assuming we don’t then keep trading away the picks.

if kj simpson falls to 51 and we get him bc of this deal u will hear from me

I’m really happy I found out about the trade before the pick was made because I watched most of Kyshawn George’s games and think he’s pretty bad

I predict we will keep trading our next pick for the pick two picks down plus a second until there are no more possible trades and we have a record number of second round picks.

… soon we will have all the picks.

… would have enjoyed seeing George’s hair next to Sims’s hair.

Was someone else trying to trade there to grab George? Would be really weird otherwise.

Maybe Leon is actually going to fill out the rest of the bench with cheap talent.

Knicks gonna just pick up a million seconds over the next 5 drafts lol.

Kyshawn George dribbling the adornment basketball was pretty charming; will be rooting for him to help WAS into a position where we can collect a first round pick in the next two years.

All the sudden it’s going to be Knicks are trading 26 and Julius Randle…

With our drafts under Leon you basically just have to check the roster when training camp starts to figure out what the fuck went on

Edit: now Woj says we’re making both picks. Case in point.

Now Woj says we’re making both picks. There is talent still on the board.

The whole “put the hat on of a team that isn’t actually drafting you” thing is annoying. It’s even more annoying when you try to google for things like “who was the last middling center the Blazers drafted?” when apparently that guy (Zach Collins) was drafted by Sacramento and traded on draft night. Good grief.

This is why I stopped doing much scouting. Just can’t tell if we’re ever gonna do anything but trade out of picks…

I guess the Knicks are in cost cutting mode after the OG signing and the 200K they save by trading down means something.

Fran loves the Frenchie. 4th youngest player in draft. Similar numbers as Franz Wagner at the age.

Unless Brock says we’re hard capped I’m not listening to anyone in the media.

I’m not going to pretend to know anything about Pacome. I did see him mocked to us at 38 quite a bit, though.

Vecenie’s Big Board summary:

Dadiet has fans around the NBA, and his stock is a bit higher than it seems publicly before this draft. There are evaluators who loved the fact that he is an
18-year-old who didn’t hit a wall as a European player. In fact, he seemed to get better every month, which typically indicates a capacity for a positive long-term
trajectory. Tobias Harris is a name that has come up a couple of times in my conversation with NBA personnel who are fans of Dadiet. However, I thought Harris was
way ahead of Dadiet in his lone season in college, showing much more well-rounded shot-creation skills and a better floor game. I buy Dadiet as a scorer; he’ll shoot it
at a good clip, and I love his off-ball movement. He understands how to create offense. The problem for me is that he doesn’t do anything else right now. One could
excuse that by noting he’s a teenager, which is viable. But typically, the prospects like Dadiet who develop into successful all-around players tend to show many more
flashes in those areas than Dadiet has. His lack of rebounding given his frame is concerning. Even playing in an overmatched second division last year, he averaged
under four defensive rebounds per game, which ranked outside the top 60 in a league where the imports are not particularly strong compared to other second
divisions worldwide. Throw in his below-average passing and poor defensive tape, and I’m lower on Dadiet than many members of NBA teams I talk to. Still, his
legitimate off-ball scoring ability at this age makes him a worthwhile second-round pick.

Rusillo was talking up Dadiet on Bill Simmons’ pod today. I misheard and thought at first that Shane Battier had a son. Based on this totally worthless information, I love this pick!!

Malika Andrews is the best.

Why in the world would OKC trade for this pick?

I guess I won’t be watching Summer League this year! Athough they still could make a couple of picks tomorrow.

Why would we elect to be hard capped just to keep Deuce? It makes no sense.

Why not just take Kyle Filipowski , he fits a possible stretch 5 this is non sense.

I can’t wait to see what teams these five picks are from.

You can use a second round pick to trade up 2 spots in the late first round sometimes.

Okay, so the draft isn’t our thing

Which makes no sense because, other that taking Obi, we’ve made a bunch of good picks under this regime.

Hopefully Dadiet is better than the last French player the Knicks drafted.

I think if iHart was still in play, they’d do what it took to not be hard capped at the first apron. So it’s Deuce they’re looking to salvage with all of this shit.

Underwhelming, if understandable.

These fools are still mocking the Knicks moves after what Leon’s done? Psht.

Dillon Jones? I have to give Presti the benefit of the doubt, but was he on anyone notable’s big board in the first round, or even in the early second?

I mean I think this means we have no money, but I don’t understand that cap shit. We’re going to stash frenchy

Hopefully Dadiet is better than the last French player the Knicks drafted.

The last two (deep cut).

Can someone smarter than me for these things tell me if this means they think they can get I-Hart back?

Dillon Jones? I have to give Presti the benefit of the doubt, but was he on anyone notable’s big board in the first round, or even in the early second?

Yeah, mine, and I thought about having him higher. Old, but fills up a box score.

5 second round picks. I was right, lol.

Honestly I don’t hate it. Pick up a lot of seconds since we won’t have many firsts for the next few drafts.

I mean obviously there are salary cap implications behind all of this twisted fuckery. Nobody’s approach to the draft is THIS bizarre.

Leon gets it done in other ways. It’s fine.

according to twitter

The No. 24 overall pick has a cap hold of $2,833,800. The cap hold for the No. 25 pick is $2,720,040.

So the Knicks save approximately $5.5 million in cap space this summer – which could be crucial

No one can say anything definitively, but I think if Dadiet is stashed and we sign two 2nd rounders…we could theoretical fit iHart’s max under the 2nd apron.

So best case scenario is we’re saving 2nd apron room for iHart, in which case all is forgiven. Worst case scenario is the Mikal trade just goes down as reported and we’re simply hard capped at the 1st, in which case I don’t think this is some travesty, but it’d be irksome.

I’m not gonna give a shit about this draft when on opening night the Knicks trot out a starting lineup with Brunson, Mikal, OG, Randle and Mitch.

just waiting for “cash considerations” to make an appearance

I would have really liked Collier or Kolek as a future backup PG. But whatever. Maybe this means we’re getting iHart back.

So if spotrac is right the Knicks are $16.9m below the second apron, which seems too close to I-Hart’s starting max to be a coincidence, no?

On the one hand, we acted like we’re hard capped. On the other hand, we’ve acted like this before. So who knows?

Why must the NBA operate like this? No has to read tea leaves at the NFL draft.

Celtics take Baylor a useful player right now

Leon chasing 2nd place

For future drafts – can Leon type out a code on KB letting us know that he is planning on taking a dive so we can make other plans

Collier is the guy I’d have taken. Nobody sticks out quite the way Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams did, but if it’s anybody I’d say Collier.

Well, we turned 2 firsts into 1 first and 6 seconds… that’s… good?

Could have had Ron Artest. smdh

That was a classic case of the basketball gods handing us a layup and that we fumbled. A St. Johns star from NYC and we chose a tall guy from France.

Do we know what any of the 2nds are? Doesn’t look like OKC has any this year

Could have had Ron Artest. smdh

You guys are clearly forgetting Knicks French legend Louis Lebeyrie

@JakeLFischer

Per source: Thunder sending five seconds to New York for No. 26:
2025 most favorable Celtics/Grizzlies, 2026 Warriors
2027 Wolves, 2027 2nd most favorable of four teams (lol) — OKC/HOU/MIA/IND — and last and finally… a 2027 most favorable (OKC/HOU/MIA/IND).

I paid zero attention to this draft. Zero. When you looked at the team, even before Bridges and OG, I couldn’t see where a rookie could come in and even play. Sims, Jeffries and Jokubaitis all come before any 2024 pick. Right now: Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle and Mitch start. Hart, DVD and Deuce come off the bench. How deep will Thibs go?

Leon Rose using the draft to fill the roster with minimum deal players is his go-to move.

Can one of you twitter people share the details of the 5 2nds we received?

EDIT: thx Marechal

Another classic evening with Leon Rose. See you guys same time next year.

When you looked at the team, even before Bridges and OG, I couldn’t see where a rookie could come in and even play.

Please not this again.

Well, we could always bring in 38, 51, and Rokas. They can all get minimum deals, it’s the least money we can add. Give us something to wish on.

Per source: Thunder sending five seconds to New York for No. 26:
2025 most favorable Celtics/Grizzlies, 2026 Warriors
2027 Wolves, 2027 2nd most favorable of four teams (lol) — OKC/HOU/MIA/IND — and last and finally… a 2027 most favorable (OKC/HOU/MIA/IND).

Wow, that’s really bad.

Thunder sending five seconds to New York for No. 26:
2025 most favorable Celtics/Grizzlies,

Barring another rash of injuries, this pick will be bad.

2026 Warriors

Could be pretty good

2027 Wolves

Not great

2027 2nd most favorable of four teams (lol) — OKC/HOU/MIA/IND — and last and finally…

Hard to say. I could see all of them being pretty good, maybe Miami is bad.

a 2027 most favorable (OKC/HOU/MIA/IND).

Just by chance, one of these has to be good right?

Hollinger:

Dadiet isn’t a big “tools” guy the way a couple of other French prospects are, but his statistical output as a teenager in a B-level European league aren’t all that different from what the more highly touted Risacher and Salaun accomplished. I get the question about whether Dadiet is more a “floor” player than a ceiling one, but teams are constantly looking for guys in this size profile who can stretch the floor.

Dadiet would seem to have a decent chance of qualifying on these fronts, especially when attached with the possibility of being stashed overseas for another year or two before a team is compelled to bring him over. Let’s start with the shooting: While the numbers aren’t overwhelming (35.8 percent from 3, 74.4 percent from the line), the eye test says his jumper is wet. He has a nice, compact flick that comes off his fingers rotating perfectly and good balance getting into shots off the dribble.

Between that, his size and athleticism, Dadiet doesn’t need to add a heck of a lot on the ball to be a useful player. That’s good news, probably, because he hasn’t shown much juice as a creator. He has a high bounce, doesn’t change directions easily and doesn’t read the floor all that well.

Dadiet wasn’t exactly a defensive player of the year candidate in Germany this year, either. He has size and mobility on his side, but lowlights included only blocking eight shots in 903 minutes – #NotGreatBob when you’re 6-8 – and generally reading plays a half-beat late or slow.

Overall, Dadiet seems underrated to me given his birthdate, as his odds of achieving rotation-level usefulness seem pretty decent. I’d rate him a better version of Kyshawn George – younger, more athletic and with a more credible résumé of production.

Click through to the article for author support:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5578790/2024/06/25/nba-draft-prospects-hollinger-2024?source=user-shared-article

I have decided to believe that iHart is coming back. Force of will, baby!!

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How much time do we have to adjust the Bridges trade to add salary?

A lot of time. It can’t even happen until July 6th.

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This is where having the best pick punter and cap guy in the game is proving to be advantageous. Did Presti just help us? – I now too believe iHart is in play. Let’s all just speak it into existence.

A lot of time. It can’t even happen until July 6th.

🙄

Come on, NBA. This is stupid AF. Have the draft when everything is settled.

Three potential reasons we didn’t add anyone to next year’s roster tonight:

1) we hated every single player that was available.

2) we’ve elected to be hard capped at the first apron to keep Deuce McBride out of the Bridges trade.

3) we are hard capped at the second apron because we are bringing Hartenstein back.

We’ll just have to wait and see. But one thing is very clear: we did not get a great deal of future value for opting out.

I’m assuming it’s #3, but only because I am assuming it into existence!

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Imagine how many 3rd round picks those 2nds can be turned into

We would have been much better off giving one of these picks to Brooklyn and keeping a ’25 pick for ourselves.

I’m assuming it’s #3, but only because I am assuming it into existence!

If we put Deuce in the Bridges trade and sign iHart to his EB max, we’d have our top 8 under contract and would be 14.5mm below the 2nd apron.

If we put Deuce in the Bridges trade and sign iHart to his EB max, we’d have our top 8 under contract and would be 14.5mm below the 2nd apron.

The Nets are maybe not looking to make things easy.

Three potential reasons we didn’t add anyone to next year’s roster tonight:

1) the front office is tired from all the paperwork they’ve had to fill out this week.

2) as a young boy, Brock Aller liked to break dollar bills into nickels and dimes just to feel richer and as an adult he is searching for similar visceral gratification.

3) Villanova wasn’t very good this year.

I have a hard time believing iHart is going to give up tens of millions of dollars, and it’s clear that other teams are going to be offering far more than we can. So I’m not getting my hopes up. We would be a seriously butt kicking team if he came back at that EB max.

I have a hard time believing iHart is going to give up tens of millions of dollars

BREAKING: MSG signs Kourtney Keller to a five year 10million/year contract as the new sideline reporter ….

Here’s a dumb question. Are there any lawyers in the room?

Am I allowed to pass the hat? I’ll call on Ben Stiller and Spike Lee and Jay Z and any Goldman Sachs VP who sits in the front row and ask them all for $100K each?

I’ll assemble a $10M kitty and — taking no fee for myself, except that someone perhaps invite me to sit in the front row for a game at some point this fall — I’ll call on iHart outside of office hours (and I have no affiliation with anyone) and offer iHart $10M cash if he accepts a $10M offer from Leon Rose, for a total of $20M?

So we are somehow under any aprons, but the man can still afford to live in NYC and eat out well? Can Adam Silver stop me?

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