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143 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.05.14)”
Bring em back LR!
I don’t think it’s particularly “out there” for Randle to have been selected as 3rd team all-NBA. He had an excellent regular season and was the flagbearer for the anti-load management movement. He has been abysmal in postseason play, but very much deserving of his all-star and all-NBA selections, which are based on regular season play only. Even if there wasn’t a positional bias he would have been at least worthy of consideration.
I don’t think enough is being made about the impact that Kyle Lowry made in this series. We have gone on and on about how IQ was such a difference-maker for us in his 6th man role…but it was Lowry who played like a 6MoTY candidate in this series, doing everything in 29mpg we hoped IQ would do and then some. The dude had 8 steals and 8 fucking blocks in 6 games! He had 2 fewer rebounds than Isaiah Hartenstein! In their 4 wins he went 8-16 from 3, and every one seemed like a backbreaker.
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May 13, 2023 at 23:12
Z-Man I disagree with you. Not hard but I do. I actually think the Heat are going to walk to the finals. If the Knicks had beat them I think they’d walk to the Finals. I don’t think any team in the East can handle the Knicks or the Heat’s physicallality. Of that’s a word.”
Always good to hear from you bidiong! Unfortunately I think the Celts win today (zero faith in Doc in game 7s) and go on to handily beat the Heat. The Celts have the personnel that can counter any adjustment Spoelstra throws at them, including going 5 out with strong 3pt shooters including Horford so they don’t really have to go “small” to do that.
But of course if Jimmy goes nuclear again, anything can happen.
Why on God’s green earth would we trade for Damian Lillard? That would be like the dumbest move ever.
Swifty, I love ya, but I can’t agree with the idea that running it back with just a few tweaks is going to get this done. While we played substantially better in this postseason than against the Hawks two years ago, I think we have seen that we are at or near the ceiling of this particular roster configuration. Simply hoping for RJ, Grimes, and/or IQ to become more consistent three-point shooters doesn’t feel like a plan (though I believe in Grimes’ ability to get there more than the other two), any more than the plan to run it back with minor tweaks (Fournier over Bullock, Kemba over Elf) two summers ago. We need at least one of the following things:
1)A bigger three-and-D wing who is a more consistent outside shooter than RJ (or, for now, Grimes);
2)A guy on the wing or at PF (assuming Julius goes out) who can more consistently break down a defense than Julius or RJ can, and thus take some of the burden off of Brunson;
3)A center who can approximate Mitch’s defensive value while having an offensive game that extends beyond putbacks and lobs.
In the pie-in-the-sky world where Brooklyn trades Mikal to us, I think that’s a contending team right there, even if we wouldn’t be a title favorite. If the Clips blow it up, we get Kawhi or PG and they somehow miraculously are healthy throughout the playoffs, I think we’d be one of the favorites. But even going a tier below those guys would go a long way to eliminating a lot of the problems we ran into against the Heat, and that we frequently do when teams key in on Brunson. Again, it sounds like OG is going to be wildly overpriced, but there has to be somebody like that who is gettable for a more reasonable cost. And I’d be willing to sacrifice some pieces to get that player.
Fournier postgame told reporters (or maybe just Begley?), “There’s no way the Knicks keep me.” Seems about right. He’s an expiring salary now, and would be useful to some other teams. But now he and RJ are in a similar salary area, so they wouldn’t make sense in the same deal (unless we were bringing in a guy on an obscene salary).
I’m with Alan on feeling that running it back with only minor tweaks would be disappointing. Not horrible, just disappointing.
I agree with the need for a taller wing to match up with the Tatums and Butlers of the world, if not a star then a generic 3-and-D wing that can play backup PF.
A backup PG with more size would be nice too.
Or a C with a more varied game than Mitch.
I don’t think any of Brunson, Julius, RJ, Hart, iHart, IQ or Grimes are going anywhere barring a blockbuster trade. So it’s really about Obi and Mitch for me.
I agree about Lowry. He was fantastic kind of out of nowhere. I think I would rather that Herro had played those minutes.
I am not in full off-season mode yet but I think I am ok with running it back relative to big swings on flawed franchise pieces like Lillard. I believe in IQ and Grimes. I don’t love Randle and RJ and Rose and Fournier used cap space this year that could have been spent on a difference maker.
But I have a modicum of hope that this FO won’t screw it up. They seem to have a plan and an idea of what they are doing.
He was the second-lowest vote getter overall. He wouldn’t have made it if positions were taken out of it.
I just don’t think you can ultimately have a great team if two of your five starters are Julius and RJ. Or maybe you just can’t if your center is a non-shooter. But moving one of those two guys for an upgrade at forward seems the easiest path to leveling up — or, at least, to avoid a rough regression to the mean.
I get the risk with running it back but I don’t think you can compare next season and that season at all.
Running it back two years ago meant brining back vets who were peaked or declining – rose, Burks, and Noel and Taj. Running it back this year means banking on young players who are already various degrees of good to improve.
Plus the tweak we made that year was bringing in Kemba. So adding another aging vet to an already aging vet roster. Won’t happen this year cause we got Brunson.
That season was a disaster bc Kemba sucked, Noel and rose got hurt and Randle regressed.
Injuries could happen but far less likely with grimes, iQ, OBI, McBride, RJ, etc. Pg is set. Randle could regress but I think it’s not likely or at least not as bad bc again, we got Brunson to keep him in check.
I get that it seems similar but you look at the personnel and it’s not at all. There was not much room for internal growth with rose, Noel, Burks and Taj. There’s a ton of room for growth with our young players.
Ja with another gun on IG Live. This fucking guy.
Hi there, good people of KB, my brothers! 🙂 A little late to talk about this season, but i usually need time to let the defeats sink in (LOL!), and i can see everybody has moved on already. 😛 But i’d like to say this was the best season since 2000, yeah 2013 was super fun, but we knew it was a one time only. This team has a future, i have some thoughts about it, but as i said i process defeats slowly, maybe next week i’ll throw some ideas about it. 😉 For now, i’m very proud of the team, it was a fantastic season, it’s a shame we couldn’t get to the ECF, which looked very doable, but maybe this lights an even greater fire under our guys asses. 😀 I’d also like to thank Mike K for all the work he does to keep this blog/forum alive. Brian for all the hilarious game threads, the we’re doomed movement will be one for the ages here. 😉 Max for all the game recaps, and like our team with internal growth as i think the recaps got a lot better as the season unfolded. And last but not least, thank you all for being who you are, with such well founded opinions that sometimes i don’t even know if i should write something, because what is being said already nailed it. I know we have some flame wars, and if somehow we can get those to be fewer and fewer, it’d be great, but even as we are right now, i love this community and it’s a much more rewarding fandom to do it with you guys by my side. Thank youuuu! 🙂
When you have a very young team win 50 games or so and a playoff series you bring the young ones back, this is a total no brainer. The only reason to change is if you have a shot at a great player, so sure, but who do you realistically target? For example which PF out there is guaranteed to be better than Randle?
I agree with Cybersoze. Thank you everyone.
So one of the tweaks mentioned is better outside shooting. Here’s the top 20 from 3 this past year. Kind of fun and weird to shop this list, looking for a sensible fit. Not at all the top 20 I would have guessed before I looked. Obviously some aren’t available (please can we have Steph?), and I hadn’t realized Jalen was #14, but still.
Alec Burks anyone?
3-Pt Field Goal Pct
1. Luke Kennard • TOT .494
2. Al Horford • BOS .446
3. Damion Lee • PHO .445
4. Malcolm Brogdon • BOS .444
5. Tyrese Maxey • PHI .434
6. Gary Harris • ORL .431
7. Stephen Curry • GSW .427
8. Joe Harris • BRK .426
9. Buddy Hield • IND .425
10. Corey Kispert • WAS .424
11. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope • DEN .423
12. Jevon Carter • MIL .421
13. Sam Hauser • BOS .418
14. Jalen Brunson • NYK .416
15. Kawhi Leonard • LAC .416
16. Patrick Williams • CHI .415
17. Alec Burks • DET .414
18. Michael Porter Jr. • DEN .414
19. Doug McDermott • SAS .413
20. Klay Thompson
If someone told me at the beginning of the season that we would lose 4-2 in a hard fought second round of the playoffs, I would have said this will be a fantastic season. It’s still a great season, but I’m still a little disappointed, I think because we were playing the seventh seed and the series looked winnable. And also, it’s human nature when you get to the second round to then want more even if you never expected to be this good. This is the last I’ll say about disappointment. Instead now I want to congratulate the whole Knicks organization for having a team that played hard , played like a team and was fun to watch. Let’s do that again next year.
As far as upgrading the team goes, both Alan and others have mentioned upgrading the center position. Ayton is maybe available, is young and can score. He’s not an Alpha dog type, but we don’t need that if we have Brunson and Randle. If he was available for a good price I don’t really understand why no one is for it.
it’s probably fine to have randle as one of your guys but not the way we’re currently doing it.. he’s going to need to be comfortable playing on the outside as he gets older and to get playoff success….
and the easiest way to do that is to get him involved him in more pnr situations… especially with brunson… we tried it in the beginning of the year and then ditched it in favor of the two island approach…. and then when we got desperate we saw it briefly again for two awkward possessions in game 6….
it makes zero sense to not involve your two best players in some ball action…. especially when they don’t occupy the same space…. and randle is generally a great pnr partner…
that’s the easiest way to make some changes….. the others involve much more difficult paths to iffy stars and expecting quantum leaps from unlikely sources… it’s going to have to come tactically and it’s going to lengthen the career of our oldest player and make our offense less exploitable in the playoffs….
Also, why did the Suns flame out? Many reasons, but one that’s not mentioned…
“Close friend Isiah Thomas, the Hall of Fame point guard and former NBA coach and executive, was by Ishbia’s side throughout the postseason, on the road and at home. “
most of these role player types are not really the solution…. yes they may make some impact but like we’ve all seen… role players are too inconsistent to be relied upon…. and they don’t even get too many shots….
for the most part the rotation is set since we have no reason to want draft picks on this roster because there’s no way we would need anyone so that probably also goes for vets too…. i imagine whoever we sign will get the mcbride/fournier treatment where they get deployed only during injury situations….
it’s either that or they eat into grimes.. iq or hart minutes…..
Imagine on that critical possession with the Knicks down 2 in Game 6, Alec Burks standing on the three point line instead of Josh Hart.
Elequently said, Cyber.
“He was the second-lowest vote getter overall. He wouldn’t have made it if positions were taken out of it.”
In my opinion he clearly had an all-NBA caliber season. I don’t see anything the least bit “out there” about it. He was 13th in PPG and 9th in RPG, and 24th in BPM (3rd team Fox was 38th, 2nd team Jaylen Brown was 66th). Of the guys ahead of him in BPM, he played 500 more minutes than Embiid, 900 more minutes than Durant, Haliburton, and Booker, 600 more than Butler, 700 more than Giannis, 800 more than AD and LeBron, 1000 more than Kawhi, etc.
Of course, that’s not to say that I would rather have Julius than any one of those players…only that he was a very deserving candidate.
He was the second-lowest vote getter and he would not have made the team had positions been taken out of it. So “he was third team All-NBA” is effectively meaningless, since he was only third team All-NBA because positions were taken into it. And now positions are no longer taken into consideration. It is not a shot at Randle overall, just that “He was third team All-NBA” doesn’t mean anything.
Thanks Raven. The only players that make sense for the Knicks on the list are not going to be available (Curry, Maxey), or Kawhi, or less interesting than Grimes and IQ for lack of defense. Am I missing someone?
“Imagine on that critical possession with the Knicks down 2 in Game 6, Alec Burks standing on the three point line instead of Josh Hart.”
Or alternatively, imagine having Alec Burks instead of Josh Hart after the trade deadline…
Or having Steve Novak standing on the three point line instead of Josh Hart…
Alec Burks, once one gets past the PTSD of remembering the team he played on (…shivers…), was a not that bad a 7th man wing, decent D and excellent shooter with a basic NBA handle. He was NOT a starting point guard, which he never should have had to play. Ever.
I would rather have Josh Hart, which could be recency bias and the fun potential, but I could also see having both of them, and playing them under varying conditions and lineups…
I only think there’s 2 guys we should be moving and this is a hard to swallow opinion… IQ and RJ. They are both too streaky to be on our contending squad. I have more faith in Julius who has shown he can completely dominate when he’s right than either of these 2 raising their floors. Go get the best wing we can with our trade assets and go win a chip.
Don’t throw Mitch under the bus yet. Bam is extremely hard to neutralize. Remember how Mitch destroyed the Cavs front line. Mitch can repeat that against 99% of the league. Sure, it would be nice to have a Center capable of burying a 12 foot jumper consistently. Getting 6 extra possessions per game is also nice. Adding 1 or 2 bench players who can shoot and counter the zone would be super as well. How was Mitch going to operate if the paint was packed while our bricklayers went to work?
Alec Burks is a nice player who was miscast here during a down year. He probably could have helped us against Miami…especially given how rattled our young shooting guards were.
And clearly, what Josh Hart did for the Knicks during his 25 game regular season games is not sustainable. The dude shot 52% from 3!!
All things considered, I’d rather have Hart, and I don’t see the point of having both on this current team unless you commit to a 10-man rotation. Burks has serious flaws (career 43% from 2 is ghastly!), isn’t enough on D to really be a 3-and-D player, and doesn’t bring the same energy burst off the bench that Hart does. He’s kind of just another version of a Fournier-caliber player.
And the synergy between Brunson and Hart, both on and off the court, is priceless. Looking forward to an entire season of that!
If we do make a trade that costs us some young pieces, Burks is a guy that I’d love to bring back as rotation-level roster filler.
“I only think there’s 2 guys we should be moving and this is a hard to swallow opinion… IQ and RJ. They are both too streaky to be on our contending squad.”
I don’t think this take is wrong in principle but not for the reason of streakiness. Young players tend to be streaky. IQ is still 23 and RJ is 22. They should become more consistent as they mature.
But you have to give up something good to get something good. RJ probably rehabilitated his trade value with his strong playoff showing, and IQ was a 6MoTY candidate with eye-popping defensive metrics. Those 2 probably are our most marketable young players, based more on perception than production perhaps, but whatever, if they get the trade for the right player done, they are both expendable.
Am i the only one feeling that Brunson faked to pass towards Josh Hart and never intended to send the ball there no matter who was there?
Also Josh Hart kicked ass from the 1st second he got in playing for us giving the team another dimension.
Shooting him for not being Michael Jordan is a smart take?
For me the only reasons for trading someone from this season’s core is his locker room toxicity. Or a no-brainer trade available.
Otherwise…Play it again Leon!
Last thought for now
Spo and most Heat players look fit and in perfect shape.
Thibs and a few from us look chubby and more laid back
A more intense training program and healthier nutritional habits might help next season’s conditioning
RJ is a very flawed player who, as I’ve said in this very thread, I’d be fine trading for the right upgrade. But I feel relieved I don’t have to sit here this morning rationalizing Ja Morant’s latest idiocy as if he was on my team.
Both 2021 Finals teams now have empty coach’s seats. If Mike Budenholzer and Monty Williams can be moved on from, Tom Thibodeau can be moved on from.
It’s not even a referendum on the quality of the job he’s done. That’s not the only factor, or even the primary one.
not e complaining we don’t have middling merc Alec Burks on the team anymore lol
In hockey, all three of the 2022 coach of the year nominees are no longer employed head coaches. One was the Rangers coach who was in the ECF one short season ago.
These aren’t lifetime sinecures.
I do think reacquiring Burks is a solid non-star plan. He gives us another shot creator off the bench. Maybe we could move Obi & another minor piece for him. Play Hart at the 4.
Running it back with minor tweaks would not surprise me.
Talk of trading Randle or firing Thibs just bc they both shit the bed in the playoffs again is silly. They are regular season warriors and that shit still matters bc you can’t just teleport to the playoffs with a decent seed. Without those two we’re just the Washington Wizards.
Are both those positions eligible for an upgrade? Sure. But those two guys are just outside the upper echelon of their profession. Upgrading them won’t be easy or cheap. And the possibility if fucking it up is very high.
For the offseason I would just separate the role players into two categories.
1. Can be an elite shoot: IQ, Grimes
2. Can’t be an elite shooter: Mitch, RJ, Hart, Obi, Deuce, iHart
The task list should be to upgrade 3 out of the 6 in category 2 in an asset neutral manner.
Just imagine, for instance, we had Lowry, OG, and Lopez instead of Deuce, RJ, and Mitch this year. We would have swept the Heat and I’d be feeling pretty good about our title odds.
There is probably a much better chance that Randle improves his playoff performance in the future than there is of trading him for someone who makes the team better. At this time last year, many folks here were convinced that Randle having another all-NBA season was the longest of long shots.
He’s not the most watchable or rootable player but considering that he’s already proven that he can adapt and improve beyond the labels placed on him, and given that he rushed back from a serious ankle injury to jumpstart our playoff run with an awesome first half vs. the Cavs in game 1, I think it’s kind of weird that folks aren’t cutting him a bit more slack.
Also I do believe the Giannis smoke. That team has one more run in them next year and then it’s all going to fall apart due to roster inflexibility. Keep the powder dry.
The problem with running it back, and relying on improvement from some of the younger guys, is that Brunson and Randle both just had career seasons or close to it, and it would not be the least bit surprising if one or both of those guys takes a step back next year. I wouldn’t count on another full year of Good Julius, because Good Julius doesn’t always show up.
We’ve raised the floor on this team, which is a great start. Next up: raising the ceiling.
I asked Bard, Google’s competitor to ChatGPT, what does it think about the people commenting in this thread. Here’s what she said:
Incredibly it’s gotten to the point where you can make a serious argument that RJ might have the best career of the Top 3 picks in the 2019 draft and it has nothing to do with the on court abilities of all 3.
If we had dumped Randle at the cost of a first rounder like many distraught Knicks fans wanted to in summer 2022, think of how differently this season would have played out. Looking at that non-trade in reverse, we essentially acquired Josh Hart for the pick that we didn’t give up to dump Julius, and picked up all-NBA Julius as a free agent to boot.
Not that he’s untouchable or anything like that, but perhaps we shouldn’t be so trigger-happy to dump him this time around.
Randle is an excellent player, on a value contract. You trade him only if you get someone clearly better. Can anyone come up with a good target?
(If there’s any internal improvement from the young guys, which is to be expected, Randle’s load will go down and it will probably make him even more valuable. Just saying).
ja definitely needs to let go of some “friends”…
sadly, it does provide a necessary talking point for nba fans and people in general…
the last year or so I’ve seen some really scary stats reference young males in america…
many are isolated and desensitized to violence…
their number and growth is absolutely staggering…
the day of no guns allowed in america is coming…maybe before 2040…
thankfully by then I’ll be able to turn on my flashlight and burn a hole through cement, or people…
hmmmm, maybe some kind of spray or whistle…
still, hopefully ja can detach himself from some of his current cronies…
This version of Good Julius seems much more sustainable than the 2020-21 version. He didn’t really do anything that was an outlier from his career numbers. His shot profile is likely not to regress to the long-2 binging of two years ago. If Brunson stays healthy, his positive effect on Julius will continue to pay dividends.
I hope he focuses on improving his defense this offseason. And becoming more of a PnR player with Brunson.
“Incredibly it’s gotten to the point where you can make a serious argument that RJ might have the best career of the Top 3 picks in the 2019 draft and it has nothing to do with the on court abilities of all 3.”
Definitely a silver lining, at least for now…and especially after the ray of hope for RJ after his playoff performance.
Johnny looks up at the stars
Johnny combs his hair and
Johnny wants pussy and cars
every once in a long while I’ll see some “news” about someone in japan stabbing 6 people to death…
I can’t remember where, but, I think there was a mass murder in another country recently…
I’m pretty sure just like levis, coke, and mickey D’s, shit, mickey mouse too –
whatever this insanity is – it’ll spread…
“Johnny looks up at the stars
Johnny combs his hair and
Johnny wants pussy and cars
every once in a long while I’ll see some “news” about someone in japan stabbing 6 people to death…
I can’t remember where, but, I think there was a mass murder in another country recently…
I’m pretty sure just like levis, coke, and mickey D’s, shit, mickey mouse too –
whatever this insanity is – it’ll spread…”
About the Ja suspension…
I hate guns and I wish they were banned. But in the eyes of the law, in America, holding a gun is no different than holding a beer.
I wish it were different, but since it isn’t, I don’t see how they can justify suspending him. There can’t possibly be anything in the CBA that denies a constitutional right.
So many things to respond to…
Re Ja, I guess this means he failed to be “more smarter.”
KYN, I’m very surprised that Randle’s emotional rollercoaster ride isn’t toxic for the rest of the team, especially when he doesn’t bother trying on D. It’s the main reason why I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved, but Z (and darule) are entirely correct that he’s a core part of why this team is any good and I find it very hard to imagine a trade that makes us better. Dumping him for pretzels would be a very big mistake.
Re RJ, the problem there is that he’s toxic to ME. But his teammates seem to love him, and I suppose we can all keep hoping he’ll turn the corner for good one of these days…
Re Bard, that shit is funny, darules. And I may have just proved it accurate…
* this is assuming, of course, the weapon is legal, registered, and he did not break an actual gun law.
Can’t believe that weekend in therapy didn’t fix him. Big blow to the therapeutic profession.
If Randle & Brunson regress, then it makes more sense to run it back. Making a splashy move short of a star acquisition isn’t going to be worthwhile and we can look at moving Randle at that point.
I thoroughly believe Brunson is capable of sustaining this year’s play. Maybe his 3p% dips, but anyone who can put up his numbers from the last 3 games is a certified star.
I can’t believe that I’m reduced to watching the Mets for the next three months…
I don’t know that they do it, but they almost certainly can suspend him
Raven, i saw many times Randle and RJ doing things that rang a bell of Notre dame in my brain but I’m not inside the locker room and don’t know the exact relationships and feelings between the players.
Being selfish is the definition of toxic in a team and despite those two ain’t the definition of teamplayer, You can’t easily call them Toxic after watching this season.
I follow the Mets pretty closely, and every day there is a new guy out there pitching that I have literally never heard of
Also why do the Mets have a big fat guy playing DH who slugs in the .300s
Other than not being able to hit or pitch, the Mets are a promising team…
Ok lost game one but we can’t be beat in game two. We got Max Scherzer out there and he throws 91 MPH with poor location
Ja evokes the kind of media circus that would be a bad look for the trying so hard not to be a clown show Knicks right at this moment, so whatever RJ is, at least he’s he’s not that. Whether he’s within his constitutional rights or not, it’s a public relations problem. On top of that, it’s one thing to own a bunch of guns privately and another to continue to brandish them on social media at a time when gun violence is off the charts. The kid needs to grow up and stop being a spectacle and a distraction. Not to mention that wherever there’s a gun, there’s a chance that someone might get shot or killed. Or just accused of dangerous or threatening behavior.
It will be interesting to see how this evolves, given that Memphis just unceremoniously pulled the plug on a yappy all-defense level wing.
Maybe it will have a happy ending. Derrick Rose was nominated for Teammate of the Year this year despite his checkered past. Hopefully Ja will pull it together.
“Ok lost game one but we can’t be beat in game two. We got Max Scherzer out there and he throws 91 MPH with poor location”
Unless there’s a sweaty rosin bag and a paid-off ump around…
Eppler needs him to stick around so that his midseason trades last year don’t appear to have yielded absolutely nothing.
He gave up JD Davis (who’s kind of raking with SF) and something like 5-6 minor league pitching prospects for pretty much nothing in the four trades that I can remember. They were gonna make the playoffs even if he made no trades.
I hate being right about Max, but I had very mixed feelings about signing him for huge $$ for 2 years plus a 3rd year option that he’s almost certain to pick up. He always seemed like a max effort kind of guy (pun not intended) who might suddenly drop off a cliff.
He was mostly good last year, but missed a bunch of starts on the IL and then was real bad late last year. And that seems to have carried over to this year.
Maybe he’ll turn it around, b/c they desperately need him.
Bucks interviewing Mark Jackson. Because apparently they didn’t learn their lesson from the guy they hired before Bud
Have they tried getting Bam Adebayo to tackle everyone?
It could be worse…you could have Clarke Schmidt in your rotation
It could be worse, you can have Aaron Boone as your manager.
Not really sure what the point of Clarke Schmidt is
Can Bard defend on the wing and hit threes?
Zion’s injuries were pretty predictable. Ja was not.
Nice post Cyber. Always grateful for this little early aughts silo.
lol give him a couple of years and he will.
As expected, PJ Tucker the leading scorer for the Sixers.
Not as easy for Tampa when they have to face real baseball teams.
Does Doc get fired if, er, when they lose this game?
Scott Foster is a joke.
Sorry Hubert but I don’t buy this at all. I may have the constitutional right to shout from the rooftops that we should eat all children under the age of six, but that doesn’t mean my employer can’t make it a condition of my employment that I don’t do that.
Private organizations are free to contract with their employees to require all kinds of curtailments on constitutionally protected conduct. Every NBA player represents the league in their private lives as well as public, and the NBA absolutely has an interest in sanctioning behavior that tarnishes the image of the league and the sport.
Honestly, I haven’t read all of the WHAT-I-THINK-THE-KNICKS-SHOULD-DO posts yet. We probably agree on some things and disagree on others. What I am sure of is that Leon Rose isn’t listening. I’ll disagree with his moves and will hope he proves me wrong.
The core of the Knick is very young (average age of the 9 rotation players was 23.3 years old. McBride lowers the age. The oldest (Randle and Hart) are 28. They were in the elite eight and didn’t embarrass themselves against a team loaded with playoff experience (Butler, Love, Adebayo and Lowry have played in 488 games) and that had the best player in Butler. I bookmarked our Prediction thread and I said 42 wins. I also predicted that the Knicks would trade for Butler. What do I know> Reaching the playoffs was a hope. The Knicks exceeded my expectations. This was a fun season and I hope it’s the first in a long string of fun seasons.
The Knicks control a lot of the roster. DRose won’t be resigned. The Knicks have a team option on Fournier two years from now. Hart is speaking like he’ll take the player option and the Knicks will likely keep McBride on his team option. That means there are going to be 12 “core” players, which makes for a deep, balanced team. The team needs to be much more top-heavy. But unless a lottery miracle happens, the Knicks won’t have any picks in this year’s draft and that is fine because … where the hell would they play? There is a logjam of talent. I would love for much of the improvement coming in the form of player development and I think that there’s a chance they’ll sign or trade for one free agent.
With all due respect to anyone who differs, I don’t think we had a chance in hell vs. the Celts. They are so, so, so much better than us. They are going to do a number on the Heat and the only chance of them not winning it all is if Denver is up to the task and the altitude gets to them.
Is Harden stoned or drunk?
There’s a clear element of racism in both the league and the media’s treatment of Ja here. I am not putting the racist label on any poster or person reacting to it. But please be mindful of the machinations at play here before you pontificate.
Put it this way: if the Kelce brothers posted a video of themselves carrying AR-15s at a shooting range, the NFL wouldn’t suspend them, and the media wouldn’t make it a story.
Is there a more revolting player to watch in NBA history than playoff James Harden?
Ja is an idiot. He’s far from being the only idiot, in fact, there’s an epidemic of idiocy in this country. Please Leon, stay away from this cancer!
Boston needed 6 games vs Atlanta and 7 vs Philly. Heat or Knicks would take them to 6 or 7 cause while Boston is incredibly talented they blow plenty of games needlessly especially at home. Knicks went 3-1 against them in the regular season including winning 2 close games in Boston.
At the end of the game, does Embiid lift up his shirt to reveal a Knicks jersey?
Don’t have a lot of off-season takes yet but upgrading from Thibs to Doc is clearly the low hanging fruit.
“Boston needed 6 games vs Atlanta and 7 vs Philly. Heat or Knicks would take them to 6 or 7 cause while Boston is incredibly talented they blow plenty of games needlessly especially at home. Knicks went 3-1 against them in the regular season including winning 2 close games in Boston.”
Yeah, they have the same team as last year that was two wins from a championship, only they added the best 6th man in the NBA. As we’ve seen repeatedly these playoffs, regular season don’t mean shit. They were up 2-0 and 3-1 vs. ATL and took their foot off the gas a bit and lost on a miracle Trae Young heave before beating them in ATL in game 6. They went down 3-2 to a team that has the reigning MVP only to beat them going away on the road and are now destroying them at home without even breaking a sweat. Their rookie coach made lots of rookie mistakes, but seems to be learning on the job. This team has been through so many wars together and has such a high team b-ball IQ, Mazzulla probably just gets in the way.
Nothing would make me happier than to see the Celts lose, but I don’t see it happening unless some bad luck intervenes. They can taste it now.
Bye bye Doc.
Boston lost Game 1 at home to Philly without Embiid. I believe they’re the best team left in the playoffs and by far the most talented, they should be clear favorites to win the championship. But they won’t make it easy on themselves, I’d be very surprised if the Heat don’t take them to 6 or 7 games.
Only team in the 2nd rd not to get blown out by 20+ points in the series clinching game was the Knicks!
happy mom’s day to you moms out there…
But what does it matter if the Heat takes them to 6 games?
Crazy part is of the 4 teams eliminated in the 2nd rd you can argue the Knicks have potentially the brightest future.
Z-man you’re talking like Boston is some juggernaut and teams have no chance against them yet they can’t seem to win a playoff series comfortably.
BTW in the end I agree it doesn’t matter how many games it takes, if they win it all they will certainly be worthy champions. Like I said I agree they are the favorites but they’re not a typical prohibitive, super team level type favorite is I guess my point.
I’m mearly saying that they are absolutely the best team remaining. And you are agreeing with me. And I’m sure Vegas will agree as well.
Where did I say that they are going to sweep anyone? Or anything about them being a superteam?
This made me chuckle.
I feel bad for Sixers fans, but Simmons trolling his ex-team is, indeed, hilarious.
Given that we will have three two way spots instead of two of them starting soon, having another draft pick this year would be nice. I don’t regret trading our first round pick for JHart, I do wish Dallas hadn’t been quite so bad.
Macri has been on the train of, “If the 76ers implode, they might have to trade Embiid.“ I’ll believe it when I see it, but that is absolutely a guy you give up everything to get
These are some of things I’ve been talking about for a long time. Some became more obvious in the playoffs.
1. We need a 3rd PG because if either Brunson or IQ is out, Deuce is enough of a liability on offense to be a problem. He may eventually be that guy, but he wasn’t that this year.
2. Mitch is very good, but he’s so limited on offense, against some matchups he’s going to be taken out of the game and we’ll effectively be playing 4 on 5.
3. If would be nice if we had a bigger wing to defend some of the elite wings out there like Tatum, Butler, George, Kawhi, James etc.. (OG anyone?)
4. There are theoretical lineups that can be very effective with one or maybe two of RJ, Randle, and Mitch together, but none will all three.
5. RJ’s slow progress is frustrating, but the biggest problem is not his slow progress. It’s that his basketball IQ is suspect and he’s inconsistent (shot selection, bad TOs, too many 3s etc…). Those kinds of things get exposed more under pressure.
6. I’m forging of bad performances or stretches that could be related to injuries, poor team construction and other things like that. Randle has hardly been in the best circumstances in NY. He was less than 100% for at least some of these playoffs also. But I think we’ve seen enough to say he’s lacking some of the attributes required to play winning basketball. Given that he’s also not a good fit with Mitch and RJ, I think we should aggressively try to move him for something that makes sense.
7. I’m tired of the Thibs talk. He’s a great coach. He’s not the best coach in the NBA, but there are few better. Unless there’s a clearly better one available for this specific team, (there isn’t), it’s silly to be talking about it just because the SPO/Riley tag team may be a bit better.
8. We don’t know who will be available for trade, but the main goal should be to breakup the Mitch, Randle, RJ front court and replace one in a way increases spacing without sacrificing defense or overall production.
9. If we wind up adding a SG to upgrade from Grimes, he better not be undersized and a poor defender. We need a good partner for Brunson.
10. My preference is to move Randle (for whatever the market offers that makes some sense) and try to add Anunoby for mostly picks. I read that offers for Anunoby at the trade deadline were lower than some of what was being reported in the press. He won’t be cheap, but I think he can be had for a price that makes some sense. If we accomplish that, we could use Anunoby at both PF/SF. That would really open things up. There may be other moves that may make sense, but most of what the media is talking about does not.
We’ve already had two excellent head coaches get fired. I’d Doc survives, it has to be politics.
He’s not a winning player. Harsh statement, yes. But if I had to bet who was going to have a big game today out of Tatum, Brown, Embiid, Maxey or Harden, Harden would be 5th choice. If I to had to bet on who was going to be a no show, Harden would be the favorite.
You can’t trade Randle and not replace his ability to create his own shot. Hell I’ll say the same about trading RJ, getting someone like OG is great but you’ll be adding even more of the scoring and creating load on Brunson.
Embiid gotta send that mvp trophy to Denver man. The basketball media should feel embarrassed
At least Mark Jackson outright apologized for his MVP ballot, and I believe him that he was just a moron, not a spiteful moron.
Man, I would love for the Bucks to hire Mark Jackson. I just need some team to hire him so that everyone can see how much he sucks, so he doesn’t get a second chance in New York in the future, when Thibs retires (the only way Thibs will ever not be the Knicks coach).
Knicks during the regular season were 9-3 vs the teams in the conference finals.
May 14, 2023 at 19:28
Macri has been on the train of, “If the 76ers implode, they might have to trade Embiid.“ I’ll believe it when I see it, but that is absolutely a guy you give up everything to get”
To me, Joel Embiid is NOT a guy you give up everything to get. He’s a 30yo player with 60yo knees.
Strat, since you prepared a nice list to work off of, I’ll comment on your thoughts.
Agree. I thought Rose was that guy. I think we continue to develop Deuce.
Yeah, but. He’s a defense-only player and just above average at that. Sadly, this is where we have the best chance to upgrade.
Your point must be that RJ, Grimes and Hart are incapable of defending big 3’s. It may be true.
Disagree. I don’t feel it’s the mix that’s the problem. We got to this point with the three of them in the starting lineup.
He’s 22. He’s shown progress. He no longer gets denied at the rim evidenced by his 2pt% improvement and he’s hitting more of his foul shots. However, his 3pt% declined.
This will be THE debate for the next 4 months. Randle has played in 16 playoff games in his career.
11 of those were this year. He’s still learning that regular season and playoff hoops are different. Joel Embid, drafted in the same class (2014) and about the same age, has now played in 60. Similarly, Marcus Smart 114. Playoff experience is really important.
+1 on that. I would rank him top 10 right now.
. (See #4) I honestly think that Mitch is the one that needs to be replaced. (See #2)
Grimes flies under the radar. If I had to point to a player on this Knicks roster that’s poised to explode on the scene next year it might be Grimes.
OG would be an upgrade. So would Giannis and Anthony Davis. Do I think we’re getting any of them? No. I would stick with Randle. He can be a beast on the boards even if he doesn’t score. What we need is a complimentary 2-way center. There are 2 UFAs available: Brook Lopez and Nikola Vucevic. Who knows what’s out there in the trade market. Mitch + Fournier + picks might fetch someone better.
Embiid not a 16 game player! He’s not a rough rider!!
Sadly I expect Boston is going to wax Miami so we’re going to need the west champion to step up
I guess the only chance Miami has is they have a huge edge at coach in game.
Morant’s problem isn’t the gun. It’s the instagram.
Because it’s collectively bargained, the agreement can supersede the Constitution with things like salary caps and trading blocks.
Wow, this brings back pleasant memories, much needed ones indeed, as the playoffs wounds haven’t healed yet. The actual record is 8-4.
The Nuggets sweep was the nicest! Joker was out for the first game, Randle when crazy, and won in Denver for the first time in something like two decades! They were going through a slump when they visited the Garden for game 2 this spring. It was an easy Sunday blowout that felt soooo nice!
We split the series with LA, lost at MSG, and then won the LA game coming off consecutive losses to SAC and LAC. LeBron was out that game.
From the Boston series, what stands out was the incredible victory in game 4 in Boston when Brunson was injured, and IQ went crazy. Horford missed a last second winning 3-pointer from the corner. Another memorable moment for me was Randle’s taunting smile at Jalen Brown before he missed both free throws that would have given game 3 to Boston.
We split the series with Philly. For the first game of the series, both Harden and Embiid were out.
As of Miami, Randle’s incredible game-winning three pointer cannot be forgotten. Hero missing a game winning shot from the corner in game 2 was also sweet. Yeah, they may have taken the playoff series, but we did give them plenty of pain, too, didn’t we? Fuck them!
Doc Rivers setting one NBA record after another :
-32 close out game losses
– 7 playoff losses when ahead 3-2
– 10 game seven losses
– 12 series losses when holding a series lead
I mean, that’s pretty damn impressive!
I stand corrected! The record is indeed 9-3, and Philly is not in the conference finals. I still can’t think clearly when Miami comes into the conversation. 😡😡😡😡
It’s going to be difficult to replace Mitch with a better player. His rebounding was essential to our 3rd ranked offense. I’m not sure Lopez is going to be as valuable as you assume. If you put better defenders around Mitch he might challenge for DPOY too, covering for RJ/Randle/Brunson is a big ask.
Hard no on Vuc who doesn’t really play both ways. He’s pretty underwhelming offensively for his skillset and I suspect he would make us the worst defense in the league.
I think Boston is rather soft, and becomes an altogether different team when their outside shots are not going in. They are obviously the favorites, but Spoelstra is surely going to give them a run for their money.
Great record in game 4’s, though 😉
I could also see us bringing back Rose for the vet minimum if other teams aren’t that interested in him.
I don’t think you win more by replacing an athletic shot-blocking OReb-ing savant with a lumbering offense-only guy. Lopez is sort of a hybrid but not really all that mobile. Ayton is a disgurntled head case and gets paid a lot. If those are the only alternatives, I’d rather take our chances with Mitch, or just promote iHart to starter and find a backup.
I really think the move is RJ going elsewhere. Even if he does get better it’s going to take a couple more years to put a dent in that basketball IQ deficit of his. I think Randle has a better chance of figuring out and he has demonstrated the talent to win a game on his own with a lack of help. We have two guys like that on the roster right now. You don’t trade guys like that away.
Randle frustrates the Hell out of me but there’s a really good basketball player there. I’m hoping this staff can keep working with him and get him more mentally checked in and stable.
Salaries are not constitutionally protected. I’ll defer to the lawyers here but I really don’t think a CBA can supersede the bill of rights.
You can prevent someone from bringing a gun to the workplace. You can fire someone for doing something stupid with a gun. I don’t think you can stop anyone from owning one, though.
As for the insta, it’s just a guy in Tennessee holding a gun, of which there are probably 200,000.
I mean, this was so easy it took me 5 seconds to find…
^ those are pictures of Tennessee Titans QB Ryan Tannenhill and his wife (both white, of course) shooting guns. I could probably find 5,000 pictures of white athletes holding guns if I spent 10 minutes searching. I’m pretty sure none of them have ever been suspended.
Both are probably true, but a) the Knicks aren’t really worried about money as long as it doesn’t affect roster flexibility and b) Thibs has both the willingness not to play Ayton if he doesn’t defend no matter what the salary and has the personnel to play someone else. That could make a significant difference with Ayton. What is more, the head case part is probably at least partially due to Phoenix’s behavior showing Ayton they didn’t value him. Say what you will about Leon and his team, but they seem to make players feel valued and want to come here.
Also, Ayton is only 24. Sometimes players just manage to grow up and get better.
Whoa, hold on: anybody who was made into a headcase from not getting a $133,000,000 contract was probably a headcase to begin with; however, that said, the Suns DID value him, they just didn’t value him at a max extension, which was smart of them because he’s not a max player; moreover, if he was offended, as it seems he was, that Mikal Bridges was offered $90,000,000 while he, himself, was not offered $133,000,000, he is simply being offended by the intelligence of his own team’s management; therefore, he is damned if he searches for more money elsewhere, as he will be marrying himself to his own demise; in conclusion, I have written a very long sentence that is grammatically correct proving that D’Andre Ayton is not as smart as me.
I really am not making a move to get a mercurial center who couldn’t care enough to play for a team that had Devin Booker and Kevin Durant scoring 40 each in the playoffs, I’m sorry. If he can’t be bothered to grab 10 rebounds a game and play a bit of defense because he’s butt hurt because they didn’t immediately max him, even though he ended up being paid the same, and was kept as a starter and was given every opportunity to be the 3rd guy on a contender, I mean…
If you guys don’t want KAT because you don’t think he’s a winning player, what the hell does that make Ayton then? The guy who would rather be putting up numbers with the Indiana Pacers in the lottery instead of the Suns in the playoffs? He’s Hassan Whiteside 2.0.
I’d rather keep Mitch, or even just Hartenstein, as our starting Center.
Hubert, I believe it’s the optics given what he was suspended for, and the other just-below-the-surface stories from the past year or two. If not for the previous issues he’s had, this one video would at best just raise a few eyebrows.
It’s not about him showing that he has a gun: there’s a difference between showing IG your armory at a rifle range and flashing a gun at a party/club. Context matters.
From what I read, my impression is that he and his family are having some struggles with adjusting to his ascending levels of fame. I hope that they all do some reflecting and decide to make some lifestyle changes to better protect themselves from negative attention. Maybe even learn how to take the high road when certain people try to come at them sideways – bc you know there are those out there that will try to bait him. Also, i think they’d do good to learn that money doesn’t change you – allows to be more of who you are and spread said influence.
This conversation about Ja is ignoring the whole “him and/or his friends pointed guns at the Pacers team bus after a game earlier this season” issue.
When you don’t think a player is worth a max contract, a management team can handle it well or badly. I think the Suns handled it badly. In contrast, the Knicks have renegotiated with both Barrett and Randle and gave them below max contracts without apparent unhappiness from either of them.
Ayton could be a head case anyway, but I don’t think the Suns did well in their interactions with them. And Bruno, I’m not sure what you mean about not grabbing ten rebounds a game. If you look at Basketball reference he has averaged 10.5 rebounds a game in the playoffs and 10.4 a game in his career.
It is an open question how good he actually is and whether less defense and more scoring at the center position will make us a better team But if you believe we need more offense at the center position, I think he will be cheap to acquire. He is basically overpaid, so the Suns should not expect to get many assets for him. According to the trade machine, Fournier and either Mitch or iHart for him works. I don’t see why we’d have to give up anything else.
The truth is, when I wrote down this trade, I didn’t like it. Emotionally, I’d rather stick with what we have and run it back. And I’m not a guy who thinks we have to make changes. But if we do decide we need more scoring out of the center position, this is a way to do it that the team should consider.
Constitutional rights protect you from the government, not from private agreements. The NBA could put a clause in a player’s contract that prevents gun ownership. But the NBA isn’t trying to stop Ja from
having guns, they’re trying to stop him from showing them off in videos.
It hurts the NBA’s brand if Ja is showing his guns off due to his previous actions, not specifically this video in isolation. If his previous actions were shooting a gun at a gun range, then nobody would or should care.
If you hired OJ Simpson at a job you probably include a clause that doesn’t let him own a white Ford Bronco. Him driving one isn’t even remotely illegal, but you sure as hell don’t want him doing it.
No one wants to dump Randle. We don’t have to. That’s the point. His value is high after an All-NBA season. He should be able to fetch a nice player in trade.
Obviously if teams are offering Tobias Harris or Dwight Powell, you don’t trade him.
dang, you all really spend a whole lot of time thinking about this basketball stuff…
okay, just realized Malta doesn’t have any trees…
yeah, I don’t like that, long island and upstate both had a lot of trees…
okay, any one ever visit/stay in eureka, ca?
hey hubie, watching ESPN, their talking ja…
you are 100% correct regarding the discrepancy in treatment…
ja is in about a million times more dangerous a situation than the tannehills…because of those discrepancies…
who knows how it may come to pass, hopefully he gains some clarity on his situation…whatever his vices are, besides dumb “friends”, he needs to address those demons…
hopefully the nba is able to interdict strongly on his behalf…
having your situation put out world wide…that’s gotta be weird…hard to deny though…