The Knicks host the Nets as part of a big two games heading into the All Star break. The Knicks need to make a push to get the #6 seed, and they play both the current #5 seed, the now-Durant-less Nets, as well as the current #8 seed, the surging Atlanta Hawks. A win tonight would be huge (as well would the Hawks game). Heading into the All-Star break 33-27 would be outstanding.
The Knicks have not beaten the Nets since the Nets signed Durant, nine straight losses, but the Nets no longer have that warlock Durant on the team, so his magical spell should be broken, and the Knicks should be able to take this one against a Nets team that got edged out by the Sixers on Saturday (with the Nets throwing up so many bricks you could build an outhouse to house all of those shitty shots), but seem to mostly be playing a bit over their head.
Let’s go, Knicks!
224 replies on “2022-23 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Nets – No More Durant, Hopefully No More Losses to the Nets”
Let’s Go Losing-Streak-Breaking Knicks!
I think there’s a rule that you cant can’t give the Lord Sumner Award to Sumner himself, so I nominate Yuta Watanabe.
Some notes on last thread:
(1) I don’t have any rim protection numbers for Sims. However, our defense would rank dead last in the NBA if the Mitch-less games were a full season (weirdly it wasn’t that bad during his early injury stint).
(2) I believe GPII costs GSW $94M over this year and next if they don’t remove salary for next year. But maybe $70M is the difference between Payton and the earlier reported Knox deal? Anyone, I’d sue Portland for whatever GPII ends up costing them.
(3) Alan, sorry to hear you’re still up and down health-wise. Hopefully that’s still an improvement over just being down!
I think I’d rather have RJ on Dinwiddie and Grimes chasing Cam around screens.
Randle the GOAT midrange shooter
Gooooo Knicks! 🏀
RJ with his normal 0-3 start and one rejection
Drive into traffic for the block — check…
Grimes with a 3, I’m feeling way too much anxiety on those shots right now.
Misses his 2nd but was an a tough spot with the clock winding down and a solid closeout.
Nets with a lot of length. Between Brunson, Grimes, and RJ, not so much.
Sims owning the offensive glass… but then the TO
How many times has Breen stated “rough start for Barrett” this season?
Did someone start 0-5?
RJ is soooo bad. Please please put us out of our misery and bury him on the bench.
Why play RJ on the 1st half? 😀
Thibs heard you strat
There have got to be meaningful statistics on the first half RJ phenomenon at this point
“But Mugsy Bogues couldn’t come up with that pass”
I’m gonna say it right now nice and early, this would be the worst loss of the season.
RJ is terrible, but first half RJ might be the worst player in NBA history.
I 100% believe we’re going to lose. You need to exploit their bad offense. But we can’t defend at all
Also for the talk the other day about the Knicks being lucky with opponents health early this season, that’s nothing compared to how lucky the Heat have been facing opponents injured players the past few weeks.
“RJ Barrett in the 1st Quarter this season
Strat in the first quarter this season.
28% High blood pressure
Great pass I-Hart to J-Hart!
I’m getting ahead of myself but if Hart can hit ~35% with us he becomes a very spicy player
Hartenstein’s defense has been excellent. Might prove me wrong.
Hart to Hart is elite
Is Hart to Hart a thing now?
Maybe Josh can teach the other Knicks about the backdoor cut.
God…Ben simmons is like a poor mans version of a poor man’s version of himself
Brunson in the 3 point contest?
Josh really has the whole team playing better when he’s in
Hart is bringing back the energizer bunny bench mob of yesteryear
I sense a Hart-to-Hart connection brewing….
Disclaimer: eye test only
Defense with IQ, J-Hart and I-Hart looks much better
It doesn’t seem like we ever get a stop, yet we’re up by six somehow.
EB I actually think this is an easy team for the Knicks to defend. Aside from Dinwiddie there is nobody else who can break down the defense and force the Knicks to over help and scramble like idiots leaving a ton of open 3pters. If the Knicks stay discipline on D the Nets should struggle to score all game.
Super impressed that (admittedly in only 7 minutes) outside of being 0-5, Barrett has all zeroes across the board.
Like jordan he’s going coast to coast
As I say stay discipline there goes fucking RJ fouling a 3pter.
Barrett back in, and a foul on a three-pointer! A statistic!
Now he has one foul, on a three pointer… sigh
I mean I’m ready to name the guy team captain
what if we just don’t play RJ in the first half of games
I still believe in RJ because he’s only 22, but he’s trying hard to convince me to quit.
I would die for Josh Hart
Okay, Hart is easily worth a pick
On the other hand, if RJ were drowning, I’d throw him a concrete block. Horrible defense and offense today.
With Deuce and IQ on the team he’s not my favorite player, but Josh Hart is moving up the list rather speedily.
Hart missed a shot but Obi should’ve thrown that down so I’m not counting it
Maybe RJ, uh, needs a change of scenery? Yeah, that’s it. A change of scenery.
Keep trying on obi nickname…how bout..”the invisible man”?
Trugoy the Dove. My condolences, Donnie.
GD How much I hate missed FT on technical fouls…
RJ is a blackhole right now. Except in reverse. Nothing seems to be attracted to him.
Also, hi. Former p&ter, but that site is.. yeah
RJ really isn’t very good.
I miss the days when Allan Houston shot all the technical FTs.
Let’s Do it… even with RJ!
Dinwiddie has always driven us nuts…
E how dare you say such a thing about our best defender and crunch time scorer
You don’t see that every day… I don’t think I’ve seen that any day
I’m probably dating myself, but Dinwiddie looks exactly like Norm Nixon
This team doesn’t defend for shit
Getting outrebounded by this Nets team is beyond pathetic.
Why aren’t we funneling their shooters to the places where they miss the shots
We don’t defend dude…we funnel…it’s a subtle distinction..
I’m not ready to lose tonight. Let’s start playing defense.
I like this lineup. This should be our starting lineup.
Truth be told, except for playing Barrett, and not playing Deuce, I’ve been fairly pleased with the way Thibs has been subbing players in and out. Lots of interesting combos out there.
Edit: And by “this lineup,” I meant the one before the timeout. Obviously.
We’re one of the worst turnover-generating defenses in the league, and you can see why. We generate no ball pressure, never get deflections, and generally allow the opponents to dribble the ball wherever they want.
Thibs is supposed to be a good defensive coach? How is that approach on defense ever going to work?
Dinwiddie is the best player on the floor.
Randle looks more loosey goosey and off balance than normal- I have no idea how his shots are falling. But I’ll take em! Brunson on the other hand..everything looks easy for him right now
14 minutes, 0-5 (0-2 3FG), 2 fouls…
We can’t win this game without IQ and the Hart Foundation…
The issue is that Sims is really, really bad and RJ is a nonentity, they’re tanking our otherwise quality play.
It’s amazing that I come here to check to see whether Hart has taken RJ’s minutes yet and find out that Trugoy (aka, “Dave”) has died. Love De La Soul and love this blog. (In fact, via this site I was introduced to one of the best albums I’ve enjoyed in a long long time: The Anonymous Nobody, which JK directed fans to on his podcast. That is a great album, and I never even knew it existed.)
If Grimes doesn’t make those shots, how long before Hart takes his place in the starting line-up? I mean Thibs vaunted defence seems to ignore 3pters, so we are always in a shoot out.
Also: Thanks for the welcome.
Spencer Dinwiddie is erratic and probably not worth what he’s getting paid, but when he gets it going he’s a handful. He just punishes small guards and wings.
We better hope that 3-ball stops going for him or it’s gonna be a looong night.
Kind of weird that Sims got more minutes than big Hart
Welcome, clydefraziersblazers. Or can we call you CFB?
And really, is hustle-bunny Grimes the guy you want to have sit down? He does have a basket, three rebounds and a steal. Which is, um, one basket, three rebounds, and a steal more than some other guy…
I had the same experience with Anonymous. Didn’t know it existed, heard you mention it here, then wore it out in 2022.
I see they’re finally releasing 3 feet high on streaming. Kinda makes the dick I sucked to get it on vinyl a little less worth it.
nice passing from Julius
I’ve been saying this for some time,
RJ’s internal clock is set on another time zone…
On East Coast games we must play him only in the second half…
CFB is fine.
Of course anon should sit. But do you think thibs will sit him?
thibs needs to send rj to la fitness to play a half before every game
you know the deadline passed when the wojbombs are about lamarcus aldridge
claxton coast to coast was smooth
Why grab him at the waist instead of fouling the arm?
Brunson has been on a mission to humiliate the NBA coaches ever since they snubbed him
Every time RJ touches the ball something bad happens
The funny thing about that Barrett turnover was I was gearing up to write something nice about him suddenly trying on defense. It’s like he had a Red Bull at halftime that cut through the ketamine.
“ Every time RJ touches the ball something bad happens”
Not if you’re rooting for the Nets
He needs another Red Bull…
RJ will foul out soon
I’ve had enough RJ for the night, actually the week. Get Hart back in there.
Nets 11-20 from three. We’re funneling their shooters into the basket…
If RJ were on the Nets roster there would be 10 wings in front of him…
I repeat, getting outrebounded by this Nets team is inexcusable.
Nets are funneling our guys really well.
Jaylen Brown should withdraw out of respect
What? Is that an NBA foul? Come on!
Jalen Brunson is so damn good, what a player.
Just play Hart instead of Barrett please.
iHart is right. If Sharpe didn’t grab him too, how can he be bleeding?
Can we get some more players with Hart levels of effort?
Obi targeted again…
RJ with 4 fouls gives Thibs an excuse to keep him on the bench (I hope)
OMG a buzzerbeater missed!
JALEN BRUNSON IS A SUPERSTAR
We’d be fucked without Brunson…
If Rick Brunson would’ve been as good as Jalen the Knicks would’ve won back to back championships in 1999 and 2000.
honestly thought this might be a rough night for brunson with all their switchable length
Brunson telling everyone he’s winning MIP even if he’s been snubbed for the all star game
10points lead? Wow!
Let’s close this baby
Brunson is by far my favorite Knicks player to watch play since Jeremy Lin.
Nice to know that he’ll be here much longer.
RJ in again, will he be awake this time?
How sweet it is!
It’s hard to win playing 4 on 6…
“ Brunson telling everyone he’s winning MIP even if he’s been snubbed for the all star game”
I mean, if MVP means the team would suck without you, he should be in the running for that too
huge play by hart
What a fucking play by Hart.
There’s like a little worn out spot on the floor in the corner….where obi stands all the time…
Hart coast to coast is great to see. 🙂
Hart has been everything I expected and more so far, I love him already and I think Thibs does too.
that play by Hart tickled my privates…
It would be very stupid to take a victory lap on the trade at game 2, but I am happy to have thrown my lot in with Josh Hart
Yeah…I always liked that Hart deal🙄
I love Hart. I think draft people would mention his “motor”. He is certainly driving me wild. 😀
Nice D by Obi…
Microwave IQ activated…
Josh hart is a beast.
We have a new idol…
Josh Hart is starting come tomorrow lol
He’s literally Thibs fan fiction
Shake and bake!
Josh iis dope!
Hart’s great play really makes you realize how thin we were at the wing. RJ stinks, and Grimes is a decent bench piece but not an impact player.
Last season we traded a first for a wing Thibs clearly didn’t want or planned to use in Reddish… this time we traded a first for a perfect prototypical Thibs wing. I’m happy with the progress.
RJ on the bench here is very telling…
This is our best lineup until Mitch come back…
Best 2nd half performance of the season in arguably the biggest game to date.
Very nice active hands from Hartenstein there.
Hartenstein is a beast now. He really turned it around, kudos to him.
And Brunson not being in the all-star game is a damn joke.
I feel like we should give Portland another first to make it a fair trade.
(Oh wait, we gave them the 19th pick from 2021, never mind…)
Nice to see other coaches making dumb challenges 😀
Big Blue, we’re up one in rebounds…
Yeah, it’s very good that iHart became good again when we needed him the most.
Laughable that Brunson isn’t an all-star.
Challenging this one?
With Mitch back and this version of iHart Knicks gonna be tough in the middle.
Sims probably realizes that when Mitch comes back he may never step on the court again
Durant’s evil magic spell is broken!
I could never make it as an NBA referee. Nearly every single call there’s someone complaining. That would get old real fast.
with mitch back and hart replacing grimes in the starting five…
too much to hope that RJ gets moved out of the starting five…
hopefully he closes less games and spends more time on the bench going forward though…
Knicks blowing out the Nets while the Heat and Hawks both lose, tonight couldn’t have gone any better.
We should give Portland RJ to make it fair
Mikal not so impressive tonight. Definitely not looking like a guy who’s worth four 1sts.
Denver won in Miami: good.
Wasn’t there another streak with Simmons, i think? The Knicks never won a game against Simmons before, if i’m not mistaken.
Nets just died in the 4th
What a great second half, so many good contributions from Brunson, the Harts and IQ specially. Love this.
Looks like we might actually beat the Nets
And the Hornets won against the Hawks. Double good. 😉
Can’t believe Portland only got 1 first for Josh Hart
I think its safe to put RJ back in..
I just gave JB a standing ovation from my living room.
“Wasn’t there another streak with Simmons, i think? The Knicks never won a game against Simmons before, if i’m not mistaken.”
Yes! We finally beat Ben Simmons too!
Damn, Hart, save some for next game.
#I think its safe to put RJ back in..#
Hard not to like Hart.
Not a bad second game for J-Hart…
Sour puss rj on the bench…
Is Brunson a top 20 player in the league? Top 15?
This is a massive win…can we keep it going against ATL?
If this isn’t RJ’s career worst game it must be in the worst-3…
Sorry to inject something negative on this fun night, but my son is at the game and says Randle and RJ are pouting on the end of the bench while the rest of the team celebrates
Not a good look
I feel bad for the kid (RJ), but he’s fairly obsolete now.
Quielty, Julius Randle had a huge game on both ends.
Nobody plays with more IQ or Hart than we do
Not sure why Randle would be pouting. He took 17 shots tonight and was 2nd in minutes
Randle might have tweaked something, he looked pretty gimpy in the 4th…
IQ also had a quietly huge game…
I saw RJ looking happy chatting with the Villanova boys so whatever…
Hart Attacks to the rim are lethal! His confidence in the 3 ball is blossoming. Love to see this brand of basketball.
1. Brunson is playing at an incredible level.
2. It might take a few games for Mitch to get back into top shape, but I can’t wait to see this team plus Mitch.
3. If we had a legitimate starting two way SF there wouldn’t be a single team in the NBA that would want any part of us on any night
This is very good basketball team. They like each other, play well with each other, Brunson is giving them the kind of leadership they’ve needed and has taken the heat off poor Randle, the addition J-Hart has solidified the bench, and Thibs has them firing almost every might.
It’s time to try to get Obi rolling again.
I think it’s really hard to assign a mood to someone sitting on the bench at the end of a basketball game. Makes for nice fodder. Randle is a frickin all star. He’s having a great season. His team is winning. Everyone knows you need good teammates to win in the NBA. Cmon.
I thought Randle looked hurt after that foul he took, so that might be it, he was quieter tonight but still pretty good. RJ on the other hand… just a detrimental presence to the team all around and simply a worse option than Hart, IQ or Grimes at the moment.
Atlanta and Miami lost also!!
I prefer Hart off the bench. The chemistry between him and… really everyone in the 2nd unit is perfect. He adds a 2nd ball handler, rebounding, and a cutter for iHart.
Grimes should get the nominal start.
“Nobody plays with more IQ or Hart than we do”
“I think its safe to put RJ back in..”
Even if it safe, why do it and get aggravated?
He has to take a deep breath, step back, understand and accept he’s 4th option in the starting lineup, and try to contribute to winning by playing defense, hitting the boards, moving the ball etc.. He has to learn to accept he’s not a “star” even though he was drafted 3rd and got the star treatment when we were bad. He got the big contract. Be happy about that, try to help, and keep working.
Hart will eat up RJs minutes but he’s going to have to overcome the adversity of not being efficient enough and focus on doing things that will earn him back some floor time. I think he can handle it and it will be good for him.
I kinda think that’s just how Randle looks
RJ knows he sucked today, he didn’t get his 20pts
Randle’s defensive effort was pretty good throughout the second half and pouty Randle does not defend so I think he was fine letting Brunson cook.
This kind of team?
Tanking for Wemby?
Wizards in 9th. The question is whether you want them to make the playoffs this year or for them to get just close enough not to blow it up.
Yeah I probably made too big a deal of Randle and RJ “pouting”, my bad.
So impressed with I Hart the last few weeks, playing great on both ends. What a one-two punch he and Mitch are gonna be!
I mean, it’s still not great. Especially in this kind of win. You hope they’d be happy for their teammates.
JHart’s first two games couldn’t have gone more perfectly. Not expecting this shooting every night, or most nights, but the guy makes winning plays all the time. It’s beautiful to watch. And such a stark contrast to the guy he’s backing up.
Nate McMillen’s squad just gave up 144 points to the Hornets.
Once Mitch gets back we’re going to be a very tough squad to beat if everyone stays healthy. Hart brings a whole new energy to the bench. IQ is now just super solid and dependable in every aspect of the game. Hartenstein has been playing much better.
If RJ can get his shit together by the playoffs, good things could happen for us.
RJ losing minutes to a guy like Hart on a winning team is the best thing that could happen to him
Hart doesn’t start, but I wouldn’t call him a bench player. Sooner or later either Grimes or RJ is going to lose minutes in the 4th quarter.
My hope is that Hart isn’t just another option for thibs to go to if RJ is struggling or a potential replacement for RJ. My hope is that Hart can be a good role model and template for RJ.
Like neither are great shooters. But even if hart wasn’t feel in’ it tonight, he impacts the game in so many other ways with his intensity, nose for the ball, defense, rebounding, passing. That could be RJ too.
One thing I always liked about RJ is his cool demeanor. It can serve him em well bc he usually doesn’t get too down on himself and I think he can perform under pressure bc of it even if he’s had a bad game. But the flip side of that is that he sometimes doesn’t play with a lot of emotion or fire and can sometimes seem checked out. I’d like to see some of hart’s passion and intensity rub off on RJ.
If RJ can view this as a challenge for him to step up, then great. If he views it solely as a threat bc he’s entitled, then we have issues.
Denver looking very, very tough…
Thing is, I don’t see RJ ever having the ability to do what Hart does. He just doesn’t have that level of athleticism and burst and you either have that stuff or you don’t.
“Hart doesn’t start, but I wouldn’t call him a bench player. Sooner or later either Grimes or RJ is going to lose minutes in the 4th quarter.”
IMO Hart is better than Grimes, but I think Hart is going to help Grimes develop because he’s a very good role model for him. I’d keep Hart as the backup for now because I think we need him more there than in the starting lineup, but I’d finish with Hart.
RJ has a mamba mentality but with garter snake skills. His biggest problem is the gap between what he is and what he thinks he is. His second biggest problem is that he wants to be a scorer, but can’t shoot. If he accepts reality he can be effective enough as a scorer when he has a good matchup. But he has to get out of that “star’ mentality where he thinks he should keep shooting and be very aggressive even when he bricking and being defended well. He has to understand that on a good team like this he’s a role player. So focus on what you can do to help and stop worrying about scoring. When the matchup is there he’ll score.
Strat and I are in total agreement here
RJ Barrett TS% by Quarter
Josh Hart’s BPM might cause the B-R computer to pull a NOMAD…
RJ down to 19.8ppg, that’s why he’s pouting
I don’t really know what RJ is supposed to be good at. I guess he’s good at getting to the basket, but that’s not really all that useful because he can’t convert. Other than that, what is he good at? Shooting? No. Defense? No. I don’t see a standout skill and he’s flat out awful in many phases of the game.
I’m trying to envision what “good RJ” looks like and I’m drawing a blank.
Josh Hart per 36 numbers as a Knick:
***I feel like we should give Portland another first to make it a fair trade.***
Reddish is 1-7 tonight. That’s pretty fair.
The good version of RJ is the version that plays within himself and doesn’t force things. He doesn’t always put his head down and go full on bull in a China shop. He needs to cut that out of his game.
I get what Strat is saying with mamba mentality, but the positive spin on that is that RJ’s always looking forward and not getting caught up on obstacles in his path. I think he can learn from this and grow. Hopefully the decreased pressure on him allows him to cook and not get cooked. Even if it doesn’t happen this season that maple mamba mindset at least makes him a pressure outlet late in the shot clock when the offense hasn’t created a better look. That’s still valuable on a lot of lineups for this team.
I’m not going to go full defcon 3 on RJ because he’s 22 and he’s has lots of good games and moments. His funks are especially ugly, but these past games have been bad even by his standards.
That’s not to say I have confidence in him, only that I am willing to be patient for a while longer, probably until summer 2024.
I wonder if Brunson will get Most Improved consideration, even though he isn’t improved in a per-minute sense. Going from Luka’s backup to a top-5 (or higher?) offensive point guard is a huge deal.
I put $5 on Brunson MIP (+2500) before the season and a $1 Parlay on JB MIP and IQ 6th man (+106500) so I’m invested in what you’re selling Z ha
Rooting for you BJ!
If the parlay comes in how much do you win?
Ha I wish! Just $1,065 ha but I wouldn’t complain. And it would be an awesome season.