The Knicks host the Jazz on a rare night where both of the teams are on the second night of a back-to-back. The Jazz luckily beat the Raptors in the first game of their road trip, so they really won’t be pumped up to get a win tonight, hopefully.
This is a big game for the Knicks, as they could really use an easy win tonight with two really big games for playoff positioning ahead before the All Star break against the Nets and Hawks (luckily for the Knicks, one of those games went from a matchup against Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving to a game without either of them).
Josh Hart will make his Knick debut tonight, and that’s such a momentous occasion that I’ll do a poll!
Let’s go, Knicks!
219 replies on “2022-23 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Jazz”
i’ll probably be flamed for this but there is a distinct possibility that hart eats into or even replaces grimes in the lineup given how close they are in usage and grimes recent struggles beyond the arc….
i would also not discount RJ getting sent to the bench outright at some point which if they were in fact targeting OG… they were probably seriously considering it….
Let’s Go Knicks!
Where Jart gets his minutes truly a mystery. May be an eat what you kill situation rest of the way.
Play the Hot Dogs, Thibs!
And…Let’s Do it!
Would not surprise me about Grimes either at this point. Disappointing more because I think longterm Grimes will shoot pretty well.
Deuce is almost certainly out of the rotation, or down to 5ish min at most.
Curious if we’ll see Obi lose even more minutes.
The fact we don’t know where Hart’s min come from is one of the reasons I’m opposed to the trade.
Raptors are worse than us and spent more on Poeltl, but you know where his minutes are coming from and he’s a huge upgrade at C. Hart is an upgrade but until I see him play I think it’s fairly minor unless he takes RJs minutes.
Guess it depends on how good you think we are when Mitch comes back
Gooooo Knicks! 🏀
My votes: 21-24, no, no.
I voted same as Cyber
On the Nets game till Knicks come on. I may be a Nets fan now.
Would really love this Nets team to be good just as an eff you to KD & Kyrie who I dislike more than the actual Nets franchise.
I have a massive massive crush on this Nets team. That meme where the guy is walking with his girlfriend and eyes another girl. That’s me right now
Great minds think alike. 😉 😀
The New-Nets are fun and they’re on a mission.
Shades of Atkinson’s team, but with more talent and depth…
I’m at the Nets game.
Kevin Knox over Mikal Bridges.
Eminently rootable was an understatement.
25-30 Yes No
Markaten in the building! 😀
I wouldn’t be surprised if Grimes got moved to the bench either if Hart plays well out of the gate. I wouldn’t necessarily be averse to it, either, though I’d really prefer RJ going to the bench and Deuce losing his minutes in the crunch.
Are you switching to Netsblogger.net? 😛
^ those are all the years Washington’s pick landed in the top 10.
^ 4 additional years where they picked 11th or 12th.
29 picks over the last 40 years.
Olynyk at the three? The west is big man.
Clyde is the best. RJ is going to arrive in the second half it appears
Two brain farts by Barrett already… not two minutes in.
Three brain farts, still two minutes in…
Did Barrett really start the game with two airballs and a turnover?
The usual miserable RJ start…
Great discussion of game theory on the last thread. Apropos of two shot attempts I just saw, I will only add that it’s a little difficult for me to place this team on the win curve because I think it’s possible they’d be substantially better if they simply did not have one of their players.
Randle put up a three there that the Air Force had to shoot down
Probably worth remembering that Mitch makes a massive difference too
Randle has gotten so much better at the double clutch pass. Can’t overstate how much better his passing looks.
We could be playing better.
I still think we should have drafted Kessler
Wish RJ wasn’t bad at basketball
Jesus Randle (in a good way)
RJ rejected at the rim? Checked.
RJ airball? Checked.
Wake up, young man!
Hart about to check in if anyone wants to jump in now
Hart with 1st point on his 1st possession in game
Brunson to Hart. I could get used to that
Brunson is putting on a clinic
Hustlebunny basket. Would be much better if that was a jump shot.
Yup, J-Hart in transition…
Well, there’s the Josh Hart transition game
Knicks all Hart right now
I Hart him already!
Hart-sanity is starting today 😀
Josh looks good already!
I love it when IQ does the Dirk pull up transition three
I can also get used to Hart to Brunson
you gotta be kidding
We have more last second heave shots go in against us than any team
JHart with three points and an assist already. But can he rebound?
Knicks must have the worst luck in the NBA when it comes to opponents buzzer beating 3pters.
I will die on the hill of us having a horrible Opponent Heave Percentage
What is that, Quick? You have to protect the ball. RJ did the same yesterday.
Hart looks really damn good. Gay hit tough 3 over him though.
Two incredible shots, one after very good defense and one an Hail Mary, 6 points for the Jazz…
A bit disappointing…
RJ blocked again…
RJ is like hilariously bad
We must put it as an incentive on ISM’s extension. 😀
Now Barrett can’t even defend old man Rudy Gay??
Rudy Gay and THT going to do us in no doubt
Hart brings an energy nobody else on the Knicks does. Looks like the most explosive athlete on the court. Easily most explosive of the Knicks.
Earlier Randle & Hart switched on D. I think that’ll be big for making Randle more viable on defense. Much better on ball than off
Okay, he can rebound, too.
We are getting lit up by Rudy Gay, who must be 40 by now
Hart is a much better player than RJ
I think I would use a first rounder to unload RJ so we can keep IQ
Hart to Hart!
Poor Obi needs a pass on the break
Love the pace Hart plays on offense.
sometimes i think rj is kidding
Hart & Hart look like a great combo
Hart running some good PnRs
He has the whole team playing with more energy than I’ve seen in a long time. Really opens up the break
Irrationally excited about Hart. Seems to do a lot of good stuff!
Idk if it’s the 1st game’s adrenaline talking but Hart plays very intensively
I really want RJ to do well, but right now having him on the floor is like having an anvil around the neck, no matter the lineups…
Are there more Harts for us to trade for? 😀
RJ has a 2nd career as a fullback at least
Yeah, a first game, he’s going to be really amped. If Hart is still this energetic in three weeks, then I’ll start to gush about him.
But damn it’s nice to have good players. I can’t help but think the RJ clock is about to strike midnight. It’s hard to imagine 40 mpg to 0…. But I could see it….
It’s time to bench RJ for Hart. If we want to win.
Max Josh Hart
I think the Hart trade was a subtle signal to RJ to shape up or he’s going to be replaced in the offseason. Surely everyone sees how not-good he is.
Dred, there’s your transition pass to Obi, courtesy of Mr. Hart…
With all the bird related names, surprised nobody has chosen Albatross yet… for any of you lurkers out there
Me too, but if he plays like this, his minutes need to come down.
What I loved about that play was IQ knowing the play to come, pointing it out, and Hart reacting for the steal. Heady player. He, Isaiah, IQ and Obi could really wreck on the second unit.
If this is Hart and this is RJ it would be a joke if Hart doesn’t take a big chunk of those minutes
Clyde using a tremendous variety of Markkanen mispronunciations
I’m going to say again that RJ does not look good against the 2nd unit. I don’t think he has what it takes to drive an offense. A lot of his good takes are off the curling handoff from Randle.
Walker is really good.
RJ had an amazing 15 game stretch tho
Markkanen, not melanin
Clyde points out that there are three 7 footers out there for Utah.
The West is big, man.
It will be great having Mitch back, the sooner the better.
Randle isn’t attempting rebounding … I’m keying on him at the moment since I took him for double double … it’s disappointing for me personally, but also for all of us Knicks fans
I feel like Z-man was beating the Kessler drum..? Good call either way
brunson took the tech over randle 🙂
Trivia is easy, Ewing and Mitch.
For a second I thought Sims was going to shoot that 3
Only question about Mitch is if he played enough minutes but I also think it was him
sims might actually have to start shooting that if he wants a career in the nba
Hiring Rick Brunson saved our next Decade!
Heartbreaking loss for the Nets, you hate to see it.
Randle with the dreamshake
Randle walks such a thin line between good and out of control
RJ needs to get with whoever trains Randle
I’m waiting for us to stop missing so many FTs, but it’s like waiting for Godot…
Brunson is on tonight
Edit: or not
Better waiting for Godot…
Than Trading for Gobert!
Apparently Samuel Beckett didn’t want women performing Godot. The estate still enforces it. Kinda disappointing
That Randle pass to Quick was amazing
LOL poetry at its best 🙂
Yeah, we’re a move away, but this team has heart (Hart and Hart) and is rarely boring.
Fun half with two embarrassing end of quarter sequences to spoil it a bit.
C’mon, Sims. Biting on a Kelly Olynyk slow motion drive is not good.
I fear pt is right about Sims. He’s just not what you need in a center defensively. He may have to develop a stretch 4 game to stick in the league.
Can we please stop thinking quarters are 11 minutes long?
Early returns on Hart minutes watch are he gets them primarily from McBride and maybe a bit from RJ if RJ is sucking. IQ and Grimes not really affected.
Sims has a frustrating penchant for taking himself out of the play defensively. iHart should be playing 30+ minutes a night until Mitch gets back.
Sims is quite frankly awful as a rim protector. He’s good on switches and being able to guard on the perimeter but as the last line of defense he has a really long way too go.
Yeah, he moves his feet well in space for a guy his size but he’s not effective near the basket on defense. He was the 59th pick so you have to tip your cap to him that he is getting NBA minutes but he’s a fringe type player.
Yeah it’s strange because he’s pretty tall and he can jump out of the gym.
I don’t watch many 3rd string Cs, but Sims is probably fine as a 3rd string C… or would be if Mitch wasn’t so injury prone
In total agreement on Sims. His defense is puzzling. Should get much more out of his physical assets.
But I sometimes think his athleticism is missing some key elements.
Sims is a giant kid. Again, remember Mitch as a kid. Constantly off his feet and fouling out all the time.
Almost serious question. Did anyone see SGA coming?
Sims is a giant kid, but he’s the same age as Mitch…
We’re seeing part if why Sims put up underwhelming college numbers.
He would look better, and does when the Knicks run them, om switches and hedges
Pretty good dunk for a, uh, Scandinavian
Why isn’t JHart starting the second half???
God you can’t get beat down the floor like thst on an inbounds
The West is big. Monster lineup
Jericho is also a miserable rebounder against size despite his ups
Did you not see my post from that draft thread? Someone linked to the thread a while back and I looked and saw that I called SGA as the steal of the draft and probably the third best player in 5 years…
Is Finland Scandinavia?
This is a pretty heinous brand of basketball the Knicks are playing here in this quarter. Bring in the guy wearing Starks’ number
Utah seems to be getting away with alot of contact defensively.
Sims blocked by the hoop, ouch
I-Hart had a nice shift tonight and he’s outplaying Sims in the last few games, I don’t get Thibs’ fascination with him.
Barrett 1-8 and a Grimes is having a bad game.
Time for IQ and J-Hart to save the day…
It’s small things like the last 2 possessions from RJ. Terrible decision to throw that alley oop to Grimes, who can get up okay but is not the guy you want to throw an oop to.
Before that RJ made a bad commitment to drive and attempt the layup, ended up with a wild shot. He makes fewer “wow” stupid things than Randle, but he still makes a lot of low IQ plays
I’m beginning to have more confidence in RJ shooting 3pters than Grimes.
Finland is not Scandinavia but I was trying to get around saying that was a good dunk for a white guy
Well Sims is giving it effort at least
To be fair, Kessler is a load on the boards. Size beats jumps.
You don’t see that every day
Well, 2nd half Barrett might be showing up
Utah is fucking huge
There you go, Julius – these guys look to block everything, so get them off their feet and draw the foul
The sooner Thibs takes the sloth out of the lineup, the better we will be. JHart sould be starting the second half.
Sims does have 10 boards in 22min. Granted half of them are on 2 possessions. One of them was just him getting blocked 3 times.
Credit where credit is due- three straight nice possessions by RJ.
Sims plays hard but not yet smart
When he starts avoiding pump fakes and learn C positioning he’ll be fine
I agree on grimes shooting. It’s disquieting.
Grimes is well over his previous high in minutes for a season. So idk, maybe that’s a thing
The answer to the Scandinavia question isn’t easy… 🙂
RJ with a nice stretch, Grimes still MIA…
Grimes should stay on the bench the rest of this game.
RJ much better than Grimes tonight. Get it together, my guy
Hart immediately saying he needs to play
❤ to ❤️
Why the fuck let Randle shoot the technical FT?
THT has made some tough shots
I am really enjoying JHart
These scrappy teams that won’t capitulate are so annoying
Looks like we have a frontrunner for the Lord Sumner…hello, Horton-Tucker
Frustration slam by Randle!
Randle now has more dunks than he had last season in 500 fewer minutes
And then almost hit the referee with the ball, not intentional but still.
Not one of IQ’s better games defensively.
You think Markkanen is pale, and then Olynyk comes in
Someone here talked trash about THT in the past and now he’s seeking revenge…
Hey look at that another opponent 3pter before the end of quarter buzzer.
How many shots have they blocked.
Does RJ lead the league in blocked shots? That was a foul btw
Is Hart covering up a gaping head wound?
Just get RJ off the court.
Effing THT. This fucking guy is going to beat us
We won’t have to worry about Hart taking anyone’s minutes because he’ll foul out in 20 every game
Markiten not a Marksman tonight
If there was a Least Improved Player Award I think Obi would be a deserving winner.
Obi very frustrated with RJ… and then clanked the three…
Obi was none too pleased with being ignored under the basket
Maybe the key for Markiten is being left completely unguarded
Never badmouth a struggling opposing player, never…
You guys never learn 😀
Clarkson has to be one of the skeeziest looking dudes in the association
Hey Pepper, the Rangers are a juggernaut!
Brunson is a magician
This has been a strange game. So much going on. Hard to track.
Always had faith in him. In the second half.
Hart has the knack
Barrett with the corner three after another J-Hart offensive board!
I gave a pretty big fist pump after RJ buried that 3pter lol
At a bar and a bit twisted…but this squad is good for crunch time
How would RJ feel about only starting second halves?
At this point they should give Jaylen Brown’s spot to Brunson even if Brown is healthy.
J Hart fits perfectly with this squad
Check out RJ with the hustle.
JULIUS RANDLE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
defense is shit tho
DAGGER IN THE HART
Brunson and Randle >>>Stockton and Malone
And Hart with the board off the missed FT….would that he were here earlier this year
Can’t believe the Knicks traded a non lottery 1st rd pick for Josh Hart.
Sorry for the young guys but this lineup,
with the Hart-y Boys must start…
(Until Mitch’s back)
Might’ve lost without Hart.
This was the closest thing I’ve seen to Julius Randle closing out a game since he’s been here.
THT definitely wins the Sumner tonight
Small but winning detail: Randle takes the ball ob after the ft and sprints to get to position to get it inbounded to Brunson
JHart IS a dawg. Love him. Garden has a new favorite I would bet.
Only question left is does Josh Hart get a max contract.
Take another 4 minutes from RJ and we’re cooking
Josh Hart is going to fit just fine in NY. Terrific debut game. Now we just need Thibs to figure out he should start ahead of RJ until we get our long term SF.
Hart pretty much showed all the things tonight
Yeah sorry but if Josh Hart moves into the starting lineup it won’t be for RJ.
That closing lineup just lacks 3 pt shooting. That’s the issue. And yes. Whoever said RJ is more reliable on open 3’s right now. I agree
Again..pretty wasted right now…but watching on my phone at a bar…this team…at home…can play with any team except the top 2 ….assuming Randle doesn’t turtle in the playoffs
Hart was a delight! Team looked encouragingly good in crunch time with him on the floor.
McBride is probably not going to get a lot of burn now, and it seems like Grimes and IQ are more likely to lose minutes than RJ, unfortunately.
I’m afraid I agree with you, Tasty. Grimes is in a bit of a funk, but nothing like the deep fog that Barrett finds himself in. But Thibs seems to have made his decision clear about which son he loves more.
We’ve all seen this movie, of course. Where the ungrateful son murders his father despite being unfairly coddled.
So there’s that to look forward to, at least…
Grimes still has a 59% ts%. Or did going into tonight. RJ at 53.3.
Quentin was at 56 in January. And 62 in February including his 0-3.
It doesn’t feel like it right now
grimes is your low usage defender that’s supposed to hit 3s… but he’s not really hitting them now and whether he will do so consistently is still an open question and so i think that’s probably where hart will slot into naturally because he just does what grimes does except better….
starting over rj is an option too since that probably aligns the bench usage issues but the reason that’s not ideal is that it probably puts too much onus on randle and brunson against certain lineups… having 3 guys on the court that’s not eager to shoot is problematic especially in the playoffs…. but if that happens i think IQ should probably slot into Grimes slot to fix that issue…
there’s going to be plenty to figure out in the second half but my money is that Grimes sits in favor of Hart either way….
and really all my griping of the hart trade has overshadowed my love for him… he’s like one of my favorite non-stars in the league.. along with tj mcconnell.. positive things happen when he’s out there.. and that gets said alot about some guys but it’s not usually as measurable as it is with hart… he’s like everything landry fields should’ve been….
“I feel like Z-man was beating the Kessler drum..?”
You would be correct, rama. More as a trade-down, but really liked him.
I think this team’s Death Lineup, the one that should close out games, is Brunson-Quickley-Hart-Randle-Robinson. That is a pretty balanced lineup, three good defenders in there and three relatively efficient scorers, with two low-usage, high-efficiency guys rounding out the lineup.
I want to see that lineup. I think that lineup could beat some people.
I think you keep Grimes as the nominal starter. Hart adds too much to the 2nd unit. They get more out of the fast break and need a 2nd ballhandler.
Right now you’re definitely closing with him regardless of who else is in the lineup.