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One last thing about 1994, Mario Elie, who is a great player, played in Portugal in the late 80s, and i was only able to watch the games on portuguese TV and they were clearly all Rockets in their commentary, turning it into a me against the world situation. I felt like i was the only Knicks fan in the whole country, making me even more hungry for the win because of that.
Me too. Last time i checked, midway through the 3rd quarter, they had a 12 point lead.
Today’s game will be a good test to check if the Knicks new form is for real or not. But assuming we are, i think the Pacers will drop like a stone, they were having a lot of luck with their schedule. So if they fall, we’ll be fighting for the 6th place with Atlanta and Toronto. What is Miami doing? Can they join this race? And what about Chicago? Will they keep trying to make the play-in or will they tear it down at the deadline and tank for Wemby? Washington is also sinking and i don’t think they can join the race for 6th place, probably they’ll be in a race with Chicago for the last place of the play-in. Anyone thoughts on this?
Update on the last comment: Chicago only has the pick if it’s top4, so not an easy decision to tank, it seems.
I felt like i was the only Knicks fan in the whole country
There is a non-zero chance that you actually were!
Chicago’s hopes rest on Ball and Lavine’s knees. If those two are healthy, they are a playoff caliber team. It’s probably too late for this year. Ball is nowhere near ready to come back yet. LaVine is looking like a shell of his old self. If the long term prognosis is bad for those two, then they are screwed and should start selling pieces at the deadline for young players and picks. There is a rumor that the lakers might have some interest in Vucevic and DeRozan, who both have ties to L.A. If LaVine can get healthy, he would make sense for the Knicks. It would be a huge risk though, so the price should not be as high as it was for Mitchell.
I dont imagine that Chicago will tank for Wemby as much as maybe sell off pieces for future assets.
Washington is interesting. After signing Beal to a megamax deal it is hard to imagine that they would blow it up. But their roster is wonky, so who knows?
“If LaVine can get healthy, he would make sense for the Knicks.”
Just the thought gives me H20-STAT PTSD.
Oddly enough, we’re going to play the Bulls 3 times in 10 days, starting wednesday…
I’m not sure Zach LaVine makes his team better. He can score well and sometimes even scores very efficiently, but his teams practically always suck when he’s on the court and compared to when he’s off.
Kuzma is not even as good as Randle and he wants a big long contract.
Why would we give up anything for either of those two guys?
Don’t walk away! RUN!
Yeahhhh..I like LaVine..but no thanks. He’s not the SG I would lose Grimes for. The only SG that could possibly be on the market this season I’d be willing to lose Grimes for is SGA..and maybe Beal. But Beal doesn’t play any defense these days, I’d still strongly consider it tho. He’s really good when healthy and a better defender than LaVine. I lnow Thibs has gotten the best out of LaVine on defense before, but he’s regressed on that end since then- and with his knee history I don’t expect him to be fully engaged on defense anymore. His pointzzzzz is what pays him.
Let’s all go to Boston and spread all kinds of fuckery so the C’s and Brown will get tired of each other, then offer up RJ and picks for him lol
I’m warming up the bus now, and I will be departing Maryland in 20 minutes. I can pick everyone up and the Palisades Mall – it’s not that far from NYC LOL
A very good opportunity to put an end on their hopes for this season. 😉
*at, not and the Palisades…stupid fone
>Washington is interesting. After signing Beal to a megamax deal it is hard to imagine that they would blow it up. But their roster is wonky, so who knows?<
They are a mess, but probably a fixable mess.
KP and Beal (when he's not hurt) are good enough scorers, but they aren't superstars and everything after them kind of sucks. I think they should trade Kuzma and try to add some plus defensive role players and a better bench. Right now they are way too top heavy and that top is not even elite. I'm hearing KP wants to stay and instead of opting in next year may ask for an extension at less money to both guarantee him more long term money and help the team.
They are a mess, but probably a fixable mess.
bit of a weird start for them. they plunged headfirst for the dreaded middle income trap and so far even that sad sack goal seems too bold. on the other hand…they’ve played 481 minutes with at least 3 or their 5 starters on the court (bb, kp, kuzma, morris, deni) at a frothy +6.1 / per 100. that’s pretty good? the second most used 3 man lineup in the league is booker/ayton/mikal and they are +5.0/100 in 603 minutes. smart/brown/tatum are only +7.5.
(cf, the single most used 3 man lineup in the nba this year is randle/brunson/rj, currently -4.6/100 in 634 minutes).
***1994 Knicks and Rockets supporting casts were virtually identical. Harper and Starks dominated Kenny Smith and Maxwell but off the bench Cassell and Elie did the same to Anthony and Davis. Horry was much better than Charles Smith but Mase was better than Herrerra. Oak and Thorpe was a wash.***
I watched those games.
+1. And the OJ Bronco chase 😉
“the single most used 3 man lineup in the nba this year is randle/brunson/rj, currently -4.6/100 in 634 minutes”
I know that RJ and Randle are the lightning rods here, but Brunson has some warts on offense too. I know that B-R’s game score stat is a blunt instrument, but it’s notable that before this week, in the first 5 games that he posted game scores below 15, we were 0-8. Yet this week, he had 2 subpar games and a decent but not great game vs. CLE and we went 3-0, all by double digits.
Granted, the teams we beat were compromised in one way or another. But the defensive energy with Grimes, Deuce and IQ getting in guy’s faces above the break seems to be counteracting some of Brunson’s deficiencies, especially when he’s not scoring.
And replacing a good chunk of Obi’s limited minutes with Sims is an interesting twist. Obi hasn’t really been much of a factor on O, so whatever little you are losing there, you are gaining back in rebounding and defense. Hart gives you a little more versatility on O so maybe they can stay out of each other’s way enough to make it work.
And that’s one of the fun things about where we are right now, beyond things that were reasonable to expect like Brunson playing well, Julius bouncing back to better play, etc. We’re getting to see some lineup configurations that weren’t anticipated going into the season, and not just because of injury. Win or lose, I’m enjoying that aspect of this season.
It’s worth thinking about who might be traded this deadline given that we’re very openly looking to move a lot of salary.
I would think we’ll inquire about Eric Gordon but we should probably not give up even a protected first for a 34 year-old. If Kuzma could play the 3 he’d be a little more interesting, but he’s pretty much a full-time 4 and the numbers still don’t really match the hype from my POV.
I guess the question is what are people willing to sacrifice for a legitimate but clearly short-term upgrade like Bogdanović? I don’t see any opportunities to add to the “core” per se so that’s the only kind of trade we might be in on, I think.
I guess Malik Beasley is someone the FO could sell as being a “core” addition and IIRC we had interest in him when he was a free agent.
I’ll skip a discussion of the basketball merits and just say I would strongly prefer not roster this guy: https://nypost.com/2020/12/21/malik-beasley-pleads-guilty-to-threats-of-violence-amid-larsa-pippen-drama/
***+1. And the OJ Bronco chase***
Oh, right. I DIDN’T watch that game. (But I did huddle around a tinny radio trying to get the WFAN audio feed to great frustration)
I have no idea why, but I have disliked Kuzma from the moment I first saw him play (when I was at a laker game way back when). I don’t even remember what he did that was bad, I think it was just a chemical dislike. But he and D’Angelo Russell are probably my least favorite players in the league. So it’s only fitting that he is “linked” to the Knicks.
I’m not sure we should do much of anything at the deadline other than try to pick up an asset for Rose, move Fournier because he’s a good guy that doesn’t deserve to be in Siberia for 2 years, and try to salvage some value for Cam (not because I want to but because there’s no way they are going to play him over RJ and pay him).
I like this team.
The defense is turning around with Grimes and Mitch healthy, Quick getting really good on D, and Deuce now ready to start contributing.
We need an upgrade or two and better shooting, but IMO we need it at the RJ/Randle positions and not really Brunson, Grimes, or Mitch. Unless there’s something very good out there I’d stay pat and be patient.
And I’ll still feel that way even if the Kings kick our ass later. 🙂
I hope they don’t do anything stupid.
One of the reasons I was so oposed to a Spida trade is because I was hoping we would get to see what we really have in the younger players before selling low. I still feel the same way.
Hopefuly the trade chatter is just fishing for a clear win and doing due diligence. Or rather than us shopping IQ, his name is coming up because other teams really want him.
Just feels like we have a little bit of a good thing going right now where we’re getting a real good look at our young players. I hope nothing involving anyone other than Fournier, Rose or Cam happens until much closer to the deadline.
In the good old days they would never have dreamed of putting the Jets and Giants on at the same time.
I guess the programmers realized neither game could compete with Knicks vs Kings
I don’t see the point. He is 34, not even good any more, and has another guaranteed year. If we are going the route of adding a veteran, I think they would at least target Buddy Hield or someone in that profile.
An interesting one would be Bradley Beal, as his new contract has been widely panned everywhere, the team is in the middle of nowhere, and it might be challenging to steer the team to contention. He was like really expensive to get a couple of years ago, but his value must have dropped a lot. And WAS might think that Porzingis is young enough to try to retool around him.
I wonder if the Knicks would consider trading Obi, or if he actually even has any trade value at all. Haven’t heard his name mentioned at all…
I am a no on Beal and Lavine and always have been
Beal has a player option for $57M in 2026-27. His peak WS48 was .152 when he was 23, and his high water mark since them is .132. He has had 2 seasons with a BPM over 3.0 and topped out at 3.4. Not to mention that he’s missed significant time due to injury in each of the last 4 years, including this one.
Trading multiple assets for him would be up there with the Knicksiest moves in Knicks history.
With LaVine, his injury history by itself is enough to scare me off, and his defense is Fournier-like. Hard pass.
Looking at the standings and the Knicks schedule over the next few weeks they can really solidify a spot in the Top 10 and be very much in a position to get into the Top 6.
At his current shooting efficiency, you might be right. When he was shooting 11% better than league average and taking the 13th-most shots in the league, nah — he was real good for his team.
It’s important to remember that offense is intentional — you can’t accidentally score a basket (don’t @ me about no-look heaves etc.; they’re irrelevant) — but players will routinely miss open jumpers and blow layups (hello 2009 Courtney Lee).
The only way a hyper-efficient backcourt player is giving up as much as he puts up is if he’s doing the Houston-era James Harden matador D and simply allowing players to penetrate with no one there to assist in the paint. And even then, James Harden was arguably the best player in the league for a few years because of how insanely efficient he was on record-breaking usage.
tl;dr don’t trade for Zach Lavine in 2023 but if he could replicate 2020 over and over he would be worth it to a defensively-loaded team struggling with scoring efficiency
>At his current shooting efficiency, you might be right. When he was shooting 11% better than league average and taking the 13th-most shots in the league, nah — he was real good for his team.<
That's the theory and I tend to agree with it (you), except then I looked at his on/off data for 20-21 and 21-22 and it tells me the team wasn't much better with him on the court even when his TS% was in excess of 60%.
That's something I rarely see.
So then I looked at the rest of the team and his overall record to see if there was some kind of not so obvious noise in that data, but all I see is red and negative numbers for his entire career.
I'm not buying 9 years of noise and quirky lineup issues. I'm going with he's wildly overrated in his average years and not so hot even when he's very efficient. Most likely defense is a major component of that, but there could be other things. Either way, I’m not trading good assets for the idea he should be contributing very positively when it’s not holding up with this player on/off unless I’m 100% sure I can explain it.
Zach LaVine is like a slightly better Julius Randle- Questionable defense and lots of turnovers. With a bad knee. No thanks. Beal contract is big enough that even with the increasing cap there’s almost no chance he’s worth it.
Has anyone heard if Fox is playing tonight? Both he and Keegan Murray are questionable. Can it be possible the Knicks have another game against a team missing multiple starters? If Fox plays he’ll be a real test for Grimes- definitely the fastest guy he’ll have faced this year.
The point of Bradley Beal is if he comes cheap. He re-signed, but he really did not want to stay, and if they keep struggling, WAS might be motivated to move him soon. Not many teams will want to match that salary, but we can throw Fournier and Rose without hurting the team. What if it was something centered around Fournier, Rose, RJ and a 1st for Beal?
Mike Brown said Fox is OUT tonight…
The streak survive, long live the streak 🙂
A little bummed about Fox, was pretty excited to see this Kings team in action and to see what havoc Deuce could wreak. Still should be a decent test.
The invisible sixth man lives, but he’s moved on to beating up opposing star players before tipoff.
Likewise disappointed Fox is out. The kids need reps against good players in these “meaningless” games.
RIP Paul Silas, old school badass and 3x NBA champion.
I love Mikal Bridges’ game, and I also like what I’m seeing out of Quentin Grimes, but there are only so many low-usage players you can put on the floor at the same time without either asking some of them to take more shots, or asking the other high-usage players to take even more shots.
A starting lineup with Grimes, Robinson, and Bridges in it would mean three of those guys would be combining for like 38% usage, which means Brunson and Randle have to acocunt for the other 62%.
You’d need Brunson and Randle to both be up in the 30+ usage range, or one of Grimes/Robinson/Bridges is going to have to take more shots they are accustomed to taking. It’s tempting to want to put a low-usage all-star team out there, but you can’t expect all of those guys to maintain their efficiency levels.