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2022-23 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Mavericks – The Battle to Convey the Mavericks Pick

The Knicks host the disappointing Dallas Mavericks as the Knickerbockers try to keep the Mavericks’ record as low as possible so that the Knicks will get a good pick from the Mavericks in this year’s draft. It’s protected Top 10, and the Mavericks are likely not going to be picking in the Top 10 this year, but they’re also not looking like they’re going to be picking in the 20s, either, so every loss they receive, the more they get pushed down to a really nice number, like, say, 15 or so.

That’d be swell.

Jalen Brunson faces his old teammates in one of those classic, “We both made a big mistake!” matchups. This is a very winnable game.

Let’s go, Knicks!

126 replies on “2022-23 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Mavericks – The Battle to Convey the Mavericks Pick”

Here’s the thing about LeBron, and why I think he’s the best non-center of all time (centers deserve their own category, IMO):

He’s a monster on defense.

Jordan, Magic, Bird, these guys could all defend, sure. MJ largely conserved his energy on that side of the ball, though, picking his spots while Pippen (most underrated player, IMO) did the heavy lifting.

Bird and Magic were good defenders. Their innate sense of where the ball was going made them terrors in the passing lane, and I think they both led the league in steals at one point.

But LeBron. I watched those clips Jowles posted. He’s a one-man wrecking crew on the defensive end. He’s got to be the best rim protector who wasn’t a center or shot-blocking specialist of all time. He could be guarding the three point line and still be able to protect the rim bc he could cover so much ground so quickly.

And in transition, well, his transition D is well known to be god-like (e.g. the Iggy chase down).

I’m really shocked that Strat, of all people, is overlooking this and rating the guys who left most of the defense to their teammates over him.

There are a lot of “7-footers” in the post-3pt era and were not that many in the 60’s and early 70’s…and some of the taller guys totally sucked, like Tom Boerwinkle. Many of the all-time great “pivot men” of the past would be considered small by today’s standards. It was a common practice to inflate the height of players. Russell, Reed, Cowens, Hayes, Sikma, Lucas, McAdoo were all 6’8-9″-ish. Wes Unseld was 6’7″.

6’5″ guys like Oscar and Baylor had huge rebound numbers. Clyde and West were excellent rebounders. But they weren’t battling with the Cs, they were just closer to the basket than today’s guards typically are. You could lay off a lot of guys back then. Clyde often mentions how he got a lot of rebounds by hanging at the FT line extended. I see IQ doing the same thing.

Cowens is a great example of a guy would have been a terrific small-ball C in today’s game. Lucas and McAdoo would have been monster stretch-bigs.

Two things that have gone by the wayside in today’s game are the back-to-the-basket pivot game (although Jokic gives you some of that), and the art of blocking out. It’s common for most players to concede defensive rebounds after a shot to cut off transition baskets, especially 3’s, rather than pursuing rebounds or blocking out.

We’re going to have to hit our threes to stay in this game today. Can’t go 6 for 30. Only if we had a 40% shooter on the bench. Someone who holds the all time Knick single season record for 3FGM. Instead Thibs will play RJ for 40 minutes because everyone knows he’s a superstar star who starts the season in February.

Shump Shump?

Tank tank?

Grime Grime?

Not sure what the new rallying cry should be. Other than that it should NOT be the name of the imaginary friend from Inside Out.

What if I told you there was a team in 2022 that can’t hit 3pters? What if I told you that team played in NYC?

ESPN’S 30 FOR 30 PRESENTS 6 FOR 30.

EB, Katz had an interesting story earlier this week about how efficient our offense has been despite our awful shooting from downtown. Basically, our shot profile is great, even if the shooting itself isn’t always. And somehow it’s working despite 4/5 of the starting lineup all preferring to operate inside the arc.

LBJ — “He could be guarding the three point line and still be able to protect the rim bc he could cover so much ground so quickly.”

I’ve always wished LeBron would take a Jordan-baseball-year or two and try to play soccer with the US National team. No joke. I think he would have been amazing.

Totally. Or DB or free safety. No one would ever catch the ball. Hahaha. But our football may not need him as much as our futbol does 😉

Alan, that’s 100% correct. Our offense is systemically hyper efficient despite horrendous three point shooting. If your point is not to throw the baby with the bath water, I agree.

I’m just saying hopping that RJ will become a sniper is not an exciting strategy. Lower his minutes to 28-30 for ten games and figure out how to play Evian.

I wonder who holds the record for most improved free throw shooting from season to season. Mitch should hang out with that guy this summer.

Three minutes in and no Knick has done anything really stupid. Keep up the good work, guys!

“TNFHsays:
December 3, 2022 at 13:49
Quentin Grimes is an all-time non-controversial Knick”

I think he sucks.

(just kidding)

mavs probably shouldn’t be running powell pnr every play w grimes on luka. luka has a huge strength/bulk advantage on grimes, better off taking him alone and forcing a natural double than bringing mitch into the play in a familiar drop position.

would love to see this breakdown but i am pretty sure mitch now gets more blocks w his left hand

“would love to see this breakdown but i am pretty sure mitch now gets more blocks w his left hand”

That was often noted since his rookie year…

hmmmm, a little concerned with the luka/julius back and forth matchup…

although, between mitch swinging his elbows and julius moving wildly around the basket – luka may look pretty beat up by the end of the game…

Avatar trailer now makes the percentage of movies in which the main character “only wants to keep his family safe” close to 99%.

Wow. Grimes!

hmmmm, a little concerned with the luka/julius back and forth matchup…

What do you mean? “i’m going to be coming at you all game” 😀

That Randle contract is not looking so bad right now.

Yeah, let’s trade him at the half.

“Yeah, let’s trade him at the half.”

Why wait that long?

He might have 6 TOs in the 2nd half.

When the Knicks inevitably lose this game blame the first 5 mins of the 2nd quarter.

Truly amazing how the Knicks can’t buy a rebound.

EYETEST ALERT: the teams are roughly equal in rebounds. Go figure.

Obi terrible sequence on O and then D. I want/need more from him to justify all our complaints about his few minutes.

Why wait that long? He might have 6 TOs in the 2nd half.

Hahaha. I’m starting to like Randle’s offense this season, if he could get back to the defense he showed in 2020-21, he’d be a lot more valuable to us. But i’d still try to trade him because he’s volatile and we never know when he’ll have a meltdown again.

“We’ve gone from a well oiled machine to a rusty clunker”

That’s what a faulty cam will do…

So I skip the 3rd Q and … WTF?

41 – 15

And then the site crashes. Seems about right.

Messi is on the board for Argentina, so ..

hopefully …a few more of these and they can Thibs…and then try to make a few moves to get randle and fournier out of town (and rose)…

So I skip the 3rd Q and … WTF?

Yeah, when i started the score was 78-68 i think, and i thought “cool, we still have a 10 pt lead”, but then i looked closer… it was a Dallas lead… 🙁 …and then it got even worse, 19 pt at the end of the 3rd. Then i watched the beginning of the 4th, and it got worse (30 pt), so i switched to the World Cup.