2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks @ Hawks – TANKAGEDDON SHOWDOWN!

Could be the last game of the season. Apparently the board of governors is making a decision tomorrow.

someone gave me floor seats to the game tonight. a while back, not as attempted battery. think of me when you see 2 empty floor seats by the knicks bench.

If I can’t watch shitty Knick games while I’m hiding from this virus its going to suck even more. There’s only so much streaming I can do before I lose my mind.

Mitch adjusts so well midair

If I can’t watch shitty Knick games while I’m hiding from this virus its going to suck even more. There’s only so much streaming I can do before I lose my mind.

I recommend push-ups, long naps, and seriously there’s always shit to clean. Ovens, for instance. The tops of cabinets. Closet floors.

When stuff like this happens I also wish I had a salary job. Nobody is going to pay me if the world shuts down. FML…

When stuff like this happens I also wish I had a salary job. Nobody is going to pay me if the world shuts down. FML…

Same. I’m booked to start a job on the 30th in times square. Pretty sure I’m screwed whether it happens or not.

This season the mercy rule is in effect.

something weird in okc

Hawksblogger should sell “there’s something in the air tonight” t-shirts.

they are waiting for league permission to start bc
gobert is out sick per announcers

woj claims knicks were sole team who wants to continue to play games with full arenas unless barred by law

i hate losing money…i really hate “losing” money…i don’t mind spending it so much, although it does take me a while to get around to deciding on purchases i make (except the grocery store, where for some weird reason costs just don’t seem to matter at all to me very much)…

i don’t know maybe that’s why i was so fixated on lost revenue for a good while when thinking of this virus…

bob’s story yesterday though snapped me out of that mindset pretty quick…i know death occurs at a pretty unimaginable scale around the world daily…i guess it’s easy to get a bit de-sensitized to it…i’m already fairly detached from most things as is…the thought of someone losing a friend or family member though does make it a lot more real and personal…

frank’s hitting at 87% this year from the line…that just makes me think there has to be a consistent outside shot in him somewhere…

Owen:
“woj claims knicks were sole team who wants to continue to play games with full arenas unless barred by law”

Shocked!

Is it possible that our medical stuff found the antidote for the virus?

okc game is off

“The game tonight has been postponed. You’re all safe. Please take your time and leave the arena in an orderly manner. You’re all safe.”

Nothing like repeating “You’re all safe” twice to make people feel decidedly UNsafe.

Hopefully Gobert and Mudiay are okay.

Apparently the NBA cancelled the OKC game but not all the others.

Oh wow. Didn’t realize that.

There’s something in the air tonight!*

*It’s Fernando.

Ellington should go to an opthalmologist asap

Enjoy Vince Carter’s last game….

geo: ellington over trier and dotson this year is going to go down as one of the more puzzling decisions that was made…

His 3s are going all over around the rim.
Its definitely fun as comedy but its not 3s specialist in any universe

whoa shams says they just suspended the season

Guess I better enjoy this last four minutes. Put Frank in!!!

Knicks about to blow one last game

I guess the difference between picks, draft odds etc isn’t great, but in the scheme of things it wouldn’t be a bad one to blow…

DRed:
Knicks about to blow one last game

Why isn’t Frank on TYoung?

Randle is an amazing tank commander.

The season being suspended should have a new post but we need the game to end first. Hopefully they find a way to lose.

Well, this is totally insane. I imagine the prognosis for someone like Rudy Gobert (and other NBA players) is pretty good, but this is all still terrifying.

Would’ve been nice if we lost a few more games and had Trae Young instead of Kevin Knox huh?

Never mind. I miscalculated. Frank needs to go 3-3 in OT to finish > 50 TS. Not gonna happen.

This is the knickiest ot.

This is the knickiest ot.

Honestly I cannot imagine a Knicksier outcome.

oh man, Vince Carter’s last game was this thing?

that was

I wonder how the Clippers feel about giving up their first round pick for Marcus Morris now? If they don’t have the playoffs that will be quite the conundrum.

Yeah we have to hope that warmer temps provide a respite. It was very discouraging, however, to read that the expert I referenced in previous thread said previous corona viruses were not seasonal. If Covid-19 is the same, the best hope is then that the death rate falls since there probably are many people who have had the virus and didn’t know it and recovered fine. Maybe they figured they had a cold or flu. So the denominator (total # of cases) via more testing starts to rise at a greater rate than the numerator (# deaths) and death rate falls. Perhaps that will start to calm people and a vaccine is fast-tracked if that’s even possible.

I was planning to go to a dance at the JCC in Manhattan this weekend. Then I received this email:

We are writing tonight to let you know that we learned today that a child who was in a program at the JCC on Saturday night has since tested positive for COVID-19 along with her mother…Out of an abundance of caution, the Board of Directors of the JCC has made the decision to close the JCC tomorrow (Wednesday, Mar 11) and Thursday, Mar 12 in order to do a thorough and deep hospital-grade sanitizing of our building. It is our expectation that we will reopen on Friday; should that change, you will hear from us.

Scary times.

2 weeks ago Greek government cancelled the annual carnivals that take place in many cities of the country.
A few days ago they closed the schools for 14 days and recommended avoiding crowded places (with over 1000 people attending).
There are also plans for cancellation of the annual school and military parade of the 25th of March.
Looks to me like Nba suspension was definitely expected and slightly belated due to $$$$

>Going to put my tinfoil on here. I’m going out on a limb that there will be a new conflict in the Middle East shortly to get oil prices to pump back up. US fracking can’t survive at current prices.

We’ll see if my world politics knowledge is equally as terrible as my basketball knowledge.<

It's a double edged sword.

We have some heavily in debt companies that won't survive at these prices, but lower energy prices are a stimulant for almost everyone else. In the end, the strong companies will buy the best assets of the over-leveraged and bankrupted ones for a fraction of what they are worth and it will all work out over time, but there will be some pain for workers and stakeholders of the losers.

had the “talk” with ma – what ever you do, please don’t leave the house…

Dont’ worry
In some weird way I think it’s the first time in my life (I’m 33) that Italian government isn’t the most embarrassing of them all…

I hope that this pandemic disease will unveil the otherworldly incompetence of populist guys like him that strive on fear and ideology (or anti-ideology, which is the same). Maybe this could also be the end of populism, who knows, silver lining here, maybe this time without games will help Frank heal his groin and tight his handle…

Good point Ingmarrrr. I was actually thinking during most of the game that we actually look a like a good team playing a bad team. Of course the ending mostly shoved that thought out of my mind, but still, we could really have climbed in the standings if we kept playing like that.

My hope is that this crisis will finally wake up our politicians and business leaders to the fact that we need a stronger social safety net, especially health care and paid medical leave for everyone. The economic impact of this could be greatly mitigated if everyone could just go to the doctor and get a test without worrying about the financial consequences or take time off from work and not worry about losing their jobs or not paying their bills.

It would help if they were readily available and if people didn’t behave like they have regarding disinfectant wipes, toilet paper and such.

“I hope that this pandemic disease will unveil the otherworldly incompetence of populist guys like him”

It’s a funny world where people constantly question the competence of the world famous billionaire who almost single-handedly defeated the entire American political establishment to win the White House. Maybe it would help if more people Googled things like “Obama healthcare website” or “Obama H1N1.”

“My hope is that this crisis will finally wake up our politicians and business leaders to the fact that we need a stronger social safety net”

You mean like the one they have in Italy? I wonder how many people will actually look back at this crisis when it’s over and truly evaluate how the various systems in the various places actually performed and use that information to re-examine their own thinking. Probably not many. One of the greatest insights delivered to us by the modern world is that when people were given access to virtually all human knowledge, they mainly used it to prop up pre-existing and non-rational beliefs and attitudes.

Mike

It’s a funny world where people constantly question the competence of the world famous billionaire who almost single-handedly defeated the entire American political establishment to win the White House. Maybe it would help if more people Googled things like “Obama healthcare website” or “Obama H1N1.”

Seeing conservatives try to “lol the libs are freaking out” their way out of this one is perhaps the one humorous thing to arise from this situation. Check the markets buddy, it’s Trump’s rich friends freaking out the most!

You mean like the one they have in Italy? I wonder how many people will actually look back at this crisis when it’s over and truly evaluate how the various systems in the various places actually performed and use that information to re-examine their own thinking. Probably not many. One of the greatest insights delivered to us by the modern world is that when people were given access to virtually all human knowledge, they mainly used it to prop up pre-existing and non-rational beliefs and attitudes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/business/europe-coronavirus-labor-help.html

Mike

TNFH

Well, congrats to Mitch. I think we can all agree he now holds the title of NBA FG% King.

Donovan Mitchell tested positive

Just please not Frank….

So if the season ends, we won the last game of the season. That makes us the champs, right?

>>>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/business/europe-coronavirus-labor-help.html<<&lt;

Terry if you want to take the position that Europe's markets and economy will recover faster than the United States' because of the opinions expressed in this article I will very happily take the other side of that trade.

That's not an opinion on Trump or anything such. Swift is right, you can't free market your way out of this. But you can't Universal Health Care it away, either. It's a pandemic. It's not like London is getting off lighter than NYC, and they had as much time to prepare and a similar international travel rate (both higher than Italy, which is definitely not #1 in the world).

I don’t think their markets and economy will necessarily recover faster. That seems completely unknowable at the moment. I do think their people are in much better shape, both physically and mentally, knowing that missing work, etc. won’t devastate them financially, and that has a lot of value that isn’t always reflected in economic indicators.

It’s a funny world where people constantly question the competence of the world famous billionaire who almost single-handedly defeated the entire American political establishment to win the White House.

Just because a person is good at marketing himself doesn’t mean he’s good at running the country

I love that Woj is putting it out there that the other Jazz players have been bitching about Gobert touching their stuff even before this and now the guy whose locker is next to his also has it. It’s gotta be scary, also, that Gobert was going to play last night if his test didn’t come back positive, demonstrating how people could be spreading the disease while still healthy enough to play a game of professional basketball.

These are fine arguments about our current health care system vs a new one.

But swift (and the author TNFH cited) are using a pandemic as an excuse to say “if we had universal health care this wouldn’t be so bad.” Let’s wait and see what happens in Germany, France, the UK, and here before advancing our political agendas, pronouncing the United States as the hardest hit economy, and attributing the economic pain to a lack of universal health care.

FWIW, if everyone in NYC could see a doctor for free this week, we’d probably have more sick people going untreated than we currently do!

I realize I’m one of the biggest pains in the ass on this forum at times, but that’s just basketball. This is much more serious.

There will be plenty of time for the political blame game when we get through this (and we will). For now, we are in this together and people need to work together, especially in Washington to address both the health and economic impact of this. So maybe we can mostly just offer insights that will be helpful to each other and insights about the health of players, staff. workers etc… and worry about what we did wrong and what we can do better as a country later.

I came here looking for stress relief, not to get wound up and more anxious.

I wonder if Gobert will face any legal ramifications for what he did at the press table, esp. if one or more of those present end up with the virus?

Absolutely not. That would be a can of worms that no one wants opened, especially when it’s the consequence of ignorance, not malice.

What Gobert did was immature and foolish, but there probably aren’t many people that feel worse about it than him. It was a brain fart from someone that didn’t really understand the implications and risks associated with his clowning around. That only one other player and no other staff tested positive was almost a blessing. That said, these guys are young professional athletes in great health. The prognosis is very good.

“That said, these guys are young professional athletes in great health. The prognosis is very good.”

I guess we’re about to get some good data on how the virus affects really tall people.

>>>I came here looking for stress relief, not to get wound up<<<

Winding each other up is a big part of what we do here. Not gonna kick that to the curb.

(I kid, of course. But it's ironic: I come here knowing I will get wound up *and* somehow that relieves stress.)

kinda glad I didn’t finish watching the second half of that pistons’ game from sunday… still got it on the DVR (along with the most recent saul episode)…

I’m gonna hang on to it til I get real desperate…

still working through the lonesome dove series…still early in lonesome dove, and looking forward to streets of laredo…afterwards though, think I’ll read through the hunger games…I can watch those movies a thousand times over, never read the books though…it’ll be nice to fill in the blanks on the story and have some images to work with while reading…

robert duval and tommy lee jones’ voices stay in my head while reading through the lonesome dove series…

>>>I had a serious argument with my girlfriend last night because she’s insisting on going to work using a public express bus into Manhattan when she’s fully capable of working from home. She’s a brilliant woman but even after explaining to her that I’m 61 and if I get sick the prognosis is less favorable, it did not get through. <<<

If the unspoken part of this story is that 61 year old strat has a live-in milennial girlfriend… god bless you, man.

Mulholland Drive

This is my 1a or 1b favorite movie. No film hits all of my narrative pleasure centers more.

But be calm. It’s really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen.

I’m a long-time Lynch fan. Mulholland Drive, Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks: The Return, etc. are amazing. I’ve seen all his stuff. Be sure to check out his recent Netflix short film, “What Did Jack Do?”

Last night, the toilet paper and medicine aisles at the local Target looked like they’d been ransacked. Literally no toilet paper to be found, and little to no children’s meds, throat lozenges, etc. Both funny and sad at the same time.

>If the unspoken part of this story is that 61 year old strat has a live-in milennial girlfriend… god bless you, man.<

lol. no way.

She's 54, smarter than me in many ways, better looking than me, more educated than me, and successful, but she has a stubborn streak on some things. It's usually no issue because I'm very easy going, But I see her staying home right now as a no brainer decision since she has that option. She was calling me nuts. smh

Would James Dolan get a Covid-19 test after hanging out at dinner with someone who might have it?

My father is an absolute asshole when it comes to telling him to stop going out so much. He had a heart attack last year and has some lung problems as it is. You can at least try not to get it…

I’m pretty much guaranteed to get it at some point since I volunteer for the fire rescue and we get sent on medical calls. I’ve already priced that in.

I’m pretty much guaranteed to get it at some point since I volunteer for the fire rescue and we get sent on medical calls. I’ve already priced that in.

try to stay as safe as possible bidiong…folks like yourself are going to make a big difference for the upcoming weeks…

This update from CNN:

*Four opponents taking measures*
Meanwhile, at least four teams that recently played the Jazz — the Toronto Raptors, Detroit Pistons, Boston Celtics and the Washington Wizards — say their players and staff have been advised to go into self-quarantine as a precaution.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/us/nba-season-suspended-utah-jazz-coronavirus-spt-trnd/index.html

Didn’t a certain 5th team play the Jazz during this period too?

BigBlueAL: There is only so much Netflix a person can watch

Challenge accepted

Wetbandit, you can camp in my backyard.

I am enjoying Babylon Berlin on Netflix

bidiong and Hubert, my pop is 79 and has a part time job as a sheriffs deputy running the metal detector at the court house in Covington, KY. I’m struggling to get him to stay home and not go to work. This bullshit job is gonna get him killed, it’s impossible to get him to understand this cause he’s halfway convinced it’s a hoax. My father is going to get a virus that kills 15% of people his age because he watches Fox at work and won’t listen to other people. And he’s gonna give it to my mom in the process. I am not prepared for my parents deaths.

First off, hello.

Started with Linsanity, stayed lurking because you guys are awesome. Although I’m a half-Rocket fan half general NBA fan, Knicks will always have a piece of my heart. I would prefer here to any of the rockets discussion sites any time, no disrespect.

I wanted to type something earlier this week but got distracted, now the NBA is gone. The two nice things that brought me joy during the last two months were Aussie Open and the NBA. I honestly did not expect the NBA will be taken away by this virus. It sucks.

Now just a little bit of me: I’m Chinese, studied in the States for college around Obama’s term, now back to my hometown in a medium city in northern China working for a US company. 2 months ago everything seems to be at normal but the virus has already landed. We didn’t know. We had our Chinese new year gatherings and then it started to report the SARS like things in that southern city. Now we know the bureaucracies has costed us 1+ months to contain it. And the virus has potentially 2 weeks to show symptoms so the hospital workers there were treating the patients all got infected making that city’s health care collapse. At least they eventually shut down the city at the end of Jan. and the government machine started to run like a Ferrari. Malls and theaters shut down. Quarantined everyone who has travel history or contact with everyone with travel history to that province for 2 weeks, and if somebody shows a fever then quarantine any close to that. And everyone stays at home until now, that our city has been cleared to be OK now but schools are still closed with no certain date to reopen. I really don’t have a reason to doubt the numbers deceasing now, because the extreme measures have been done. If I was in origin city, it would be a totally different story as they experience death in the neighborhood.

I just hope you guys can work remotely and stay healthy until the storm passes. I know it will as local IKEA just reopened…

read this

this is a beautiful article about how political measures can alter the spreading curve of the virus.

one of the saddest things I’m seeing here at work (a public health addiction centre near Venice) is that we are all starting to play like a Knicks lost season: in order to play better and at least try to salvage the season by learning and developing often young players but especially veterans start to looking for their own stats, resulting in a “me first” mentality that make a lost season a disaster. The same here, no one really trust the boss, from nurses to social assistant to every body is just doing “his thing”, so you can’t really have a cohesive way of working etc, and a learning opportunity is just becoming a huge grudge generator. This crisis is just making emerge all the underlying hate and splittings in the group.
It’s really difficult to acknowledge competence and authority and the necessity to trust your direct superior…
just to say that I’m really starting to understand Knicks team dynamics over the years!

If anything, Italian government is trying to do its best. I’m really surprised seeing the usually incompetent and shady guys acting (almost) rationally and with an unusual levelheadedness. Then again, the average Italian is at her best only during dire times.

bobneptune

This whole tweet thing looks weird and stupid to me. Firstly, why is that guy posting on Twitter which is blocked in China, so who is he preaching to? I suppose it could be some kind of muddy the water thing but I really don’t know. In a time of difficulties like this conspiracy theories have been spreading in all kinds of fashion in China and beyond. It won’t surprise me if some official actually believes them and try to preach it. Note that Twitter accounts actually doesn’t mean anything in China where there is not a lot of official speakperson for Chinese opinions, so I don’t think it should be treated like any special guy.

Well at least we know all the leadership in that city and province has been striped and replaced with guys from elsewhere. The previous party leader in my city has been transferred to replace Wuhan’s mayor or something. It’s quite meaningless for the world now as the pandora’s box is open anyway. I can only assume those who underestimated the cost have been regretting in agony.

Now they cancelled the Masters.

So there will be literally no sports on television for the next month.

Oh well, I guess it’s time to catch up on some of the 200 shows my friends and relatives have been suggesting for the past few years.

“If you want to get prepared quick just go out and get a big bag of brown rice and assorted dried beans. You’re instantly prepared as long as you have water. You can live a long time on beans and rice and it’s dirt cheap.

Buy a water purifier off Amazon. They work great.”

Lentils are the best!…. high in protein with a remarkable mineral profile. Tons of water soluble vitamins. High in fiber, too. Very low in fat. Zero cholesterol. 3.5/1 Omega 6/Omega3 ratio. Dirt cheap……

Thanks too all Knicker-bloggers, who would have thought the Knicks would have a world wide audience that would shine during a pandemic. Your a monument to civil discourse and statistical analysis. Hopefully we’ll find the humor sooner than later.

And since I suspect the Knicks season, at least, is over my review of our young player development from this year since that’s the only thing that really matters, and in the interest of spurring some discussion:

-Iggy: Inc.; Doesn’t make sense that they didn’t give him any burn in a lost season despite playing well in the G-league, but at least he got minutes somewhere, in contrast to…

-Trier: F-; Obviously he did something to piss someone off, but no other team in the league would’ve handled him like this. <300 minutes makes 0 sense. Continued to be significantly more productive in his extremely limited minutes than many of the guys both old and young playing ahead of him.

-DSJ: F-; There were obviously red flags when they got him, but he was still a prospect with a chance and we managed to completely break him. A lost season.

-Dotson: F; I like the theory of him as much as anyone but I can't find one thing to point to as even a hint of progress in his 3 years in the league now. Still failing to break through at age 25; he looks like a write-off to me.

-Knox: D-; Improved his shot distribution and somehow ended up with an even worse TS% than last year, so much for that theory. The slight improvements in the rest of his game offer the faintest tendrils of hope, but he still needs the ball to go in so much more and he looks further away than he did 12 months ago.

RJ; C-; About what I expected. Defense better than I expected; passing worse. Is going to need the jumper to work out to be productive I think. Would like to see him in a real offense with spacing

-Frank: C; Season is ending at the worst time for him. Seemed to be taking real steps forward but still a ways to go and needs to prove it consistently.

Mitch: B-; Slight bump in minutes and decrease in the foul rate. Was able to show similar per-minute production with the larger role which is good but didn't show any new elements of his game.

This article suggests the salary cap might go down $10 to $15 million dollars because of the Coronavirus shutdown.

good for rory yesterday being like: why are we still playing golf…

yeah, I haven’t really started looking or trying to figure out when this virus may slow down or be contained…which may vary wildly by location…

Hmm. I was told after my colonoscopy last summer that I have diverticulosis, so need to do a much better job at getting lots of fiber in my daily diet. I’ve been doing that, but will now be trying out the rice, beans, and lentils ideas you guys posted above. I’m gonna make Jambalaya rice and beans tonight.

Thanks!

BTW, we have our first confirmed case in Knoxville, and it’s looking like our May trip to NYC is in serious jeopardy.

I got an instant pot and will be making some of my vegan tortilla soup.

One can of black beans
4 cups of Vegetable stock
Some garlic
Salt, Cumin, and chilli powder
A chopped onion
Can of corn
Can of diced tomatos

Saute the onions till they’re yellow. Dump the diced tomatoes, spices, garlic and vegetable stock in there. Instantpot cook that for 10 minutes. Then dump the beans and corn in there and cook with the top off for another few minutes. Its really good! Serve with tortilla chips. It’ll make about 6 bowls and keeps for 4 or 5 days in the fridge. You can also dice up carrots or other vegetables in there if you want.

Will also be making some simple spinach lasagna that can keep.

My wife and I grocery shopped last night. Wasn’t too crazy here in Omaha but stuff was running out. Ironically enough we noticed that it was all the frozen stuff and prepackaged stuff going out. But the fresh fruit, vegetabls and meat were all fully stocked. We did buy prepackaged and frozen stuff for later but also stocked up on the fresh fruit, veggies, and meat cause you can make dishes and then freeze them.

Via Shams

“Meanwhile, sources say the Lakers offered a package involving Alex Caruso and draft compensation for Derrick Rose, which was rejected as the Pistons had set a high value on the former NBA MVP. ”

I was wondering why no one was going after Rose. He’s been playing the best basketball of his career since the injuries and Detroit is basically in rebuild mode now.

I have a cousin in the eye of the storm in Italy. He’s there with his wife and 3 young children. He’s telling me things aren’t nearly as bad as the media is making them out to be. He’s generally staying home and being very cautious, but he said it’s more at the level of inconvenience than hardship.

but he said it’s more at the level of inconvenience than hardship

They already have 1,016 deaths, 188 yesterday alone, and this is the tip of the iceberg.

I mean: I’m not worried at all about me or my family. We’re not wealthy but have a fair amount of money, my parents are both retired, Lady Farfa is unemployed since early February (so the welfare’s paying her) and if not for a few ancient customers who refuse to buy a smartphone or even get a email address I could work from home every day. Also I’m an introvert nerd just like Lady Farfa, so we could stay like this for months.

But everything around us could crumble very quickly. It would be foolish not to consider this in assessing Italy’s situation.

https://spectator.us/karlie-kloss-dad-jared-kushner-coronavirus-research/

Oh, we’re in great shape here.

The Honorable Cock Jowles:
My jambalaya is the shit.

I make this for my wife for lunch at least once a month. About 6 generous servings.

Prove it? Send me a couple of servings worth!
🙂

One of my wife’s very few flaws is her palate. She does not tolerate even slightly spicy foods well, so I have to reign in my recipes. This is no problem when dining out, of course, but a constant issue at home.

Maybe to pass the time we could all exchange favorite recipes, here? I have fairly simple ones, but I’ve yet to find a better tasting chili or salmon than the way I make them…

Trump is a fucking moron. Listening to him talk makes me dumber.

The irony of having Birx standing in front of Mike Pence, talking about the timeline of the HIV/AIDS response, while he stands there and nods his head — you can’t make this shit up.

The Knickerblogger Coronavirus Cookbook sells itself!

keep it comin’ love 🙂

oh yeah, i’d just like to add – disco is great for dealing with some of the anxiety of this world…

You know what’s annoying about the baseball season likely being indefinitely postponed? Having to wait for year-over-year stats on the Astros’ strikeout rate at home.

The Honorable Cock Jowles:
https://spectator.us/karlie-kloss-dad-jared-kushner-coronavirus-research/

Oh, we’re in great shape here.

“Our daughter Karlie Kloss (one of the top models in the world, 45 Vogue covers and counting; proud dad commentary) is marred to Mr Joshua Kushner.”

Sleep deprivation or Freudian slip?

https://spectator.us/karlie-kloss-dad-jared-kushner-coronavirus-research/

I know it’s fun to think the white house is letting facebook groups drive policy, but I think the accurate way to read that article is probably this:

an annoying father-in-law badgered his daughter’s husband so much about his work that the husband placated him by saying “tell me what you would do and I’ll pretend to take it seriously.” And then the idiot father in law went and bragged to all his online friends that he has a line to the white house.

Hey, geo, thanks for the heads up! My colonoscopy people did not caution me to avoid any foods, just to get more fiber. I got the feeling my diverticulosis is mild at this time; I was quite surprised when I was told b/c I’ve never had any lower abdominal problems or symptoms.

I did have a friend caution me about eating anything with small seeds in it or on it.

oh god, how embarrassing, but yeah – Metamucil (the smooth, or finer grade type) is most likely the answer to your situation…so much simpler than making sure to consume “more” fiber…

life is a funny thing…i can remember decades ago watching my dad consume that stuff and thinking – that’s some weird looking orange crap…

kind of like how a decade or so ago i looked at my mom’s weekly pill box and thought to myself – yeah, that’ll never be me…life’s ironies never seem to cease…

I strongly recommend that you check out this medium post if you want to learn more about early efforts to statistically model the pandemic. I have drastically changed my personal behavior in the last 24 hours, and wish I acted sooner.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

The coronavirus is coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.

It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.

When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.

Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.

Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.

They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.

The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.

That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

this thread has jumped the shark

It’s sweet that he’s doing it, but the idea that a 19-year old rookie is paying the Pelicans’ arena workers in New Orleans during this and not the team’s billionaire owner is…not good.

Trump spent weeks downplaying the seriousness of the virus and his moron surrogates like Limbaugh did the same. It’s just a cold, they said. Ha ha, look at my gas mask, funny amirite? This will all go away soon. You can even go to work if you have the virus! Some people STILL aren’t taking it seriously, to “own the libs” I guess. I see several moronic Facebook posts every day about how this is all some liberal bullshit.

We should have been doing the social distancing weeks ago and there should have been tens of thousands of tests performed by now. But the guy can’t lead, and can only think about how to win a news cycle, so here we are. Fucked. I knew this was going to blow up in his face. He has said and done so many irresponsible and reckless things at this point.

My Mom and Dad are both around 70, my Mom has COPD and my dad has pulmonary fibrosis, so this thing is probably a death sentence for either of them, and since about 40-70% of us are going to get it their odds don’t look so hot.

Serious Strat? His only real error was the test kits and that really wasn’t his fault… you know bureaucracy…not much a President’s able to do to cut through the bureaucracy in a national emergency more threatening than 9-11?

Trump was golfing this weekend and didn’t decide to do anything until people like Pence had to stage an intervention. Businesses and individuals were already taking matters into their own hands at that stage. Does that sound like the way things should work? Maybe the President should have been leading earlier?

Time was of the essence to slow the spread, if for no other reason than to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. It’s ironic that your partner went to work when she didn’t have to potentially exposing you to the virus if she happened to pick it up. Do you think maybe if Trump had told people weeks ago to work from home if they’re able to it might have had an effect on her and others? He could have encouraged businesses to permit people to work from home where possible. He could have told people not to go to work even if they have mild symptoms; instead he implied it was fine to go to work. Even simple things like telling people not to cough/sneeze into one’s hand (who then touch doorknobs etc) but instead to cough into forearm would have helped. I get that there are economic factors to consider but there was so much he still could have done which would have helped to slow the spread. POTUS is in a unique position in this regard.

The worst part is that he wasn’t even agnostic; he was stating or implying it was a political hit job or hoax. And JK47 just outlined how his minions blasted this out to millions of people. Even if turns out to be on par with the flu, there’s a flu vaccine which most older people get. No CIV-19 vaccine for some time and I don’t think there’s a vaccine for any of the corona viruses.

Just remember Strat, if you have to sneeze or cough, do so into you maga cap.

Extended off-topic Knickerblogger is one of the best silver linings I could have asked for in this time of impending societal collapse.

My dad does consulting work in Wuhan and has been there the entire time. The city quarantine is getting lifted and he’s going back to work next week.

My dad does consulting work in Wuhan and has been there the entire time. The city quarantine is getting lifted and he’s going back to work next week.

wow, that’s not something to forget…were you able to communicate the whole time?

“The Honorable Cock Jowles
March 13, 2020 at 8:26 pm
I have almost all of the symptoms, as does my wife. Where do I get tested, again? Better yet, how do we get tested a week or two ago?”

Oh, man. I’m sorry for you two. Hopefully it’s just a regular cold. (But the silver-lining to having no good memories courtesy of the New York Knicks is that you’re young enough to thwart the coronavirus!)

“The President of the United States publicly called a pandemic that has the potential to kill millions of our citizens a fucking hoax. Read that sentence again and tell me how you feel about it.”

I think he’s called global warming a hoax too. (That one has a potential 100% mortality rate)

I for one am impressed with the courage of Donald Trump for explicitly saying he takes no responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made in the critical early days of this crisis.

That’s the kind of moral clarity we really need from our leaders. That’s the way to make America great again. The buck stops over there. Take credit for anything good that happens, pawn things off on somebody else when something bad happens.

What a fine leader.

He’s the guy you fellas were pillorying for closing access to China a few weeks ago….. hindsight surely is 20-20, huh.

Not me. That was clearly the correct decision. Anybody who “pilloried” him for it was wrong.

He still fucked this up in just about every conceivable way other than that.

A friend of mine put this timeline together with direct quotes:

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We’re ordering a lot of supplies. We’re ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn’t be ordering unless it was something like this. But we’re ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

Thank you, Brian.

The level of idiocy is galling.

But I guess his supporters will go to their graves blaming the media, democrats, foreigners, and Obama. So dumb.

It is important to keep a level head and be kind to one another during these times. So with that said, James Dolan should ABSOLUTELY keep the team. We love ya Jim!

OHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! I KID I KID!

lol

Seriously, I hope everyone one and their families are ok. I’m more worried about the people’s panic than I am the virus. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not as big of a threat as it feels like it is, so long as you’re taking care of yourself. I am, however, very concerned because my victory over cancer has left me with a compromised immune system and I work in banking. So keeping the faith and staying vigilant is a must. For us all

Farfa where do you get this number from?

(The most realistic projections still list the casualties in the 150k; no matter how you look at it, it’s not a rosy outcome)

Let’s just say I took a very deep dive into COVID-related subjects during the past two weeks 🙂

Trump is generally an idiot, but that does not mean everything he did was wrong or that he didn’t make some very good moves.

IMO, the correct way to handle this was to take the appropriate actions based on the advice of medical experts (who can also be wrong) while continuing to reassure the country to prevent all out panic. That’s the exact tone Fauci has taken throughout this and he has basically been the medical spokesperson throughout.

Again

1. IMO, not closing Europe sooner was a mistake. I would have done it a week or so earlier given the growth of cases there. I’m not sure if that was his call or the call of medical experts, but it was a mistake and added to the number of cases and spread here.

2. Testing has been the major problem. That has partly been bureaucratic. The CDC would not allow certain tests to be done privately. Not overriding that and getting the private sector involved sooner was a big mistake because the CDC was bound to fail. You have to understand that the government is generally made up of a bunch of idiots that can only follow rules. I don’t care which party you belong to. At any given time we are debating degree of stupidity.

3. Underrating the seriousness of the problem was typical Trump idiocy. He’s simply too stupid to find the balance in warning about the seriousness of the problem while simultaneously reassuring people that we are taking steps to deal with the problem like Fauci.

On the flip side, closing China early in the face of criticism from the left & media that he was being racist & xenophobic was obviously a great move. Every medical expert agrees. That bought us a TON of time. It’s why we are behind the curve relative to Europe. He has also handled the financial aspects of this very well so far with bankers. If not handled properly, the implications could be dire unless you think a depression on top of health crisis would be OK. Same with the oil reserve move.

Since many people that use numbers and stats can be dangerous because they use them incorrectly, I’ve been following a handful of people I believe understand the math related to these kinds of risks even if they aren’t also medical experts. At least they’ll get the math right.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Pasquale Cirillo

Taleb has been warning about this for quite awhile, but he’s also been critical (in his own extreme way lol) of some of the people posing as “experts” out there.

Jeremy Faust MD MS also seems to have a good grip on things without all the panic.

Gee, I wonder what the reaction would have been if Barack Obama has made weeks of statements about how the virus was contained, that it was a right wing hoax, that soon the number of cases would be zero, that the doctors were all amazed at his natural ability for science, that he was ordering “elements of medical” to deal with the situation then lied daily about tests being available when they were not. And then gave an address from the Oval Office that had several misstatements in it that had to be immediately corrected. Somehow I think all of that wouldn’t have gone over so well.

The double standard here is completely insane. Instead of leading this guy has been acting like an ass for six weeks. And then he passes the buck and says none of it is his responsibility.

He was faced with a challenge and he failed miserably, because his only instinct is to make himself look good for the current news cycle. We’re facing a global pandemic and a complete incompetent is running the show.

JK47

What part of me calling him a moron did you miss?

I am simply pointing out that even morons make some very good moves. They are all also operating within an incompetent bureaucracy that would impact even the smartest leader negatively.

Well, we agree that he’s a moron. Good.

I’m not personally okay with a moron running the country, and it’s my personal opinion that having a moron in charge right now is probably going to make this worse than it needed to be. As in more people will probably die. I’m not real chill with that.

In addition to being a moron he’s also a compulsive liar, so you’d really have to be a complete idiot to believe anything coming out of his mouth. He’ll lie about anything if it makes him look a little better. So there’s just a complete vacuum of reliable, trustworthy leadership.

Not really ideal!

Strat, I approach things from the market’s POV. It was looking for what it got yesterday. Problem is, it was looking for it a lot sooner. His inability to provide it on Wednesday was costly.

I have no desire to pillory him for his inadequacies. I personally think our country’s expectations of the executive branch are comical and if his presidency loosens our dependency on his office without burning the country down, it will be a success.

>I’m not personally okay with a moron running the country,<

We should get used to it because even if he loses, Sanders is a delusional economic illiterate that couldn't run a Starbucks and Biden is a has-been that never was and probably just a few years away from needing assisted living.

Right now it looks like 4 more years of a moron or 4 years of "Weekend at Bernie's" where people actually think Biden is alive and making decision.

OK enough of this. Back to binge watching “Better Call Saul” and racing at Oaklawn Park (minus the fans).

Sorry, JK, I have to disagree. Trump’s not a moron. Biden’s a moron. I’d take that any day. Trump’s a moron AND has extreme narcissistic personality disorder. He’s a very dangerous, twisted man. Remember, this was a pro-abortion democrat back when he was known as a racist, short-fingered vulgarian. The fact that this government has done a few things right (while doing an immense number of things wrong) in this crisis is a bit like lauding the old broken clock. If he was only wrong 1338 minutes of the day I’d be less inclined to despair.

Edit: this was somewhat tongue-in-cheek to an earlier post. I agree wholeheartedly with your last one…

I read on a Chinese blog that Woj is reporting that Dolan tested positive. Has anyone else heard that? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone and hope it is not true. Apparently it’s on Woj’s Twitter feed.

Stratomatic: Frequently wrong, but never in doubt: We should get used to it because even if he loses, Sanders is a delusional economic illiterate that couldn’t run a Starbucks and Biden is a has-been that never was and probably just a few years away from needing assisted living.

Right now it looks like 4 more years of a moron or 4 years of “Weekend at Bernie’s” where people actually think Biden is alive and making decision.

Yup.

We get the leaders we deserve, though.

“Brian Cronin
March 14, 2020 at 12:44 am
A friend of mine put this timeline together with direct quotes:

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

There is a saying in horse racing that goes something to the effect of…. I win 100% of the time when I play results. The point being you can only make predictions with the data you have at hand and history to go by. Let me refresh everyone’s memory as to the state of affairs when that quote was made:

There were 17 confirmed dead world wide not the >5,000 today
There were 500 infected in China not the 80,000 today.
No one had any inkling you could shed virus BEFORE the onset of symptoms
The SARS epidemic 17 years prior caused by the same class of virus killed 774 worldwide

At the time of that statement there was exactly ONE knows Coronavirus case in the USA. This fellow flew into the US from WuHan on 1/15…. felt sick on 1/19 and was in isolation by 1/20. There was no reason to believe this man in isolation so quickly was going to lead to 25% of all the case in America and 37 of the 50 deaths.

But that’s what happened…. but Trump should have anticipated a world-wide epidemic from 1 US case and 500 sick people in china when China was soft pedaling the information world-wide….

C’mon……

And to those of you who base your life decisions on the objectivity of factcheck.org and believe on Feb 28 when there were >50,000 ill in China and >1,000 dead that Trump actually believed the EPIDEMIC was a hoax…. then you are just being willfully obtuse

There are plenty of things to criticize your Orange Overlord for, but this ain’t one of them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/wuhan-coronavirus-china-intl-hnk/index.html

I also find it LOL TASTIC that the talking head on CNN were calling Trump RACIST!!!!!!! the other day for calling the WuHan-Coronavirs, interestingly…

Why do you think we give a fuck about CNN? Because Fox News supplies your opinions, so shitty cable news supplies ours?

Of all the grifters to get taken by, you get taken by this one? Lollllllllllll

Again I ask: where do I get tested?

While I’m obviously not the most qualified person to answer an Oregon specific question, right now the problem in many, many countries is that they’re limiting the tampons only to people with severe symptoms. To put thing into perspective, here in Italy a guy who was in bed since February, 28th with fever, cough, a cold and very mild dyspnoea got his tampon only today (he tested positive). So, it’s highly unlikely you’ll be able to get a tampon done before a few days.

This is where I urge you, though, not to despair or anything. Just self-quarantine yourself and LJ. Only as soon as you (god forbid it happens) should develop serious dyspnoea a tampon should be available. I’ll cross my fingers and whatever else that you won’t need it. In the meantime take vitamin C (not more than a gram per day) and some paracetamol or aspirin.

It was gobsmackingly obvious to me at the time that Trump’s happy talk about the virus was irresponsible and would come back to haunt him. But it’s what he needed to say to “win” that news cycle. He doesn’t know how to do anything but brag.

He’s a terrible leader because he doesn’t give a fuck about anything but his own interests. And the incessant bullshitting and lying means that you can’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Any normal, mediocre average leader would be a massive improvement.

And he is STILL doing it. Just yesterday he came up with that bullshit about the nonexistent web platform and testing centers. He’s a con man, not a leader.

There is a saying in horse racing that goes something to the effect of…. I win 100% of the time when I play results. The point being you can only make predictions with the data you have at hand and history to go by. Let me refresh everyone’s memory as to the state of affairs when that quote was made

The thing about global fucking pandemics is, if you wait to see the “results” you’ve acted far, far too late.

For example, it may have seemed like a prudent, money-saving move when in 2018 Trump fired Thomas Bossert, whose portfolio as homeland security advisor included pandemics, and didn’t replace him with someone with similar knowledge.

It may have seemed just as genius when he allowed John fucking Bolton to disband the NSC’s global health unit and didn’t replace it with anything, shedding experts like Timothy Ziemer and Luciana Borio in the process.

I mean hey, the coronavirus didn’t even exist at the time! Who ever could have foreseen that these would look like idiotic moves in hindsight?

“Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola,” Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), the vice ranking member of the foreign affairs committee, told HuffPost in a statement. “Expertise like his is critical in avoiding large outbreaks.”

Beth Cameron, who previously served as the senior director for global health security and biodefense on Obama’s NSC staff and is currently the Nuclear Threat Initiative’s vice president for global biological policy and programs, called his departure “a major loss for health security, biodefense, and pandemic preparedness.”

“It is unclear in his absence who at the White House would be in charge of a pandemic,” Cameron said, calling it “a situation that should be immediately rectified.”

Oh.

Again I ask: where do I get tested?

Did you ask your doctor?

talk about trump, talk about my colon….talk about trump, talk about my colon…talk about trump or talk about my colon…

you know what my greatest weakness is: a short memory…the situation can get extremely uncomfortable if i’m not careful with my diet…after maybe six or more months of no issues i’ll start that inward dialogue wherein i’ll sort of convince myself that everything is A okay now…i’ll start craving something spicy…mmmmmm, maybe like some nachos with some of them thick tortilla chips…and, lo and behold – once again i am able to easily track the movement of material through my colon…

yeah, i get the whole my team versus your team, and, yeah – maybe the guy on my team has done some questionable stuff in the past, but, he’s still on my team, and, you know what, even if saint christopher himself was on the other team running things – i’d still be against him, cuz he’s on the other team…

i guess i should just be thankful i’ve never found myself in a situation where i had to reconcile/justify the actions and behavior of such a human being as donald john trump…the word: untenable comes to mind mostly…

and that seems like it would be a very compromising sensation…

I’m glad to hear you’re feeling better Jowles, but it’s infuriating to hear what’s happening to Ms. Jowles.

It boggles my mind that any employers outside of a very select few (e.g. first responders) are taking any risks whatsoever. Seems like the vast majority of the population is still in deep denial about what we’re up against.

Total denial. When people start dying en masse, it’ll sink in.

Also, can I get a plus 1 for a new thread? Mobile users are in a rough place on this one.

I agree we need a new thread.

Jowles, best of luck for you and lady Jowles.

Seems like the vast majority of the population is still in deep denial about what we’re up against.

big time…i admit, i myself was late to the party – just ignorance and sheer stupidity on my part…i just didn’t get what the virus was doing…just in talking with family members and some folks at work – seems like maybe a good 30% or so of folks that i’ve spoken to about it – aren’t really seeing it…

it’s like a culling of the elderly all over the world…our parents and grandparents, and heck – us too whom may have conditions which could lead to serious complications…

i don’t know why some people either don’t believe, accept or understand…maybe media fatigue…deep distrust of everything…lack of knowledge…i’m not sure…

ma’s got strength i’ll never know…she’s also got a host of ailments which would make her susceptible to the virus’ effects…i tried to tell her to imagine 10 people standing in a group – spread them out a little bit or put them in a line…at least 8 of those people will walk away from this virus even if afflicted…and, you will be one of them…

+1 on the new thread.