NY Post: This is the Frank Ntilikina the Knicks want to see

I look forward to all of us finally finding common ground about Frank in this thread. No contentiousness at all!

But, like Brian says, it’s far better that he’s playing well against awful competition than if he were struggling.

This really is wrong, for several different reasons, but it’s all worked out so it looks better. Covering your mistakes with luck, though, doesn’t make them not mistakes. The logic is simple: Willy is what you hope for from a second round pick – a decent cheap player who can contribute 15 mpg, at very low cost. Most second round picks don’t stick in the league. And while high second round picks are WAAAAY better than low first round picks, the Knicks didn’t know where those picks would land when they made the trade – given Charlotte’s history of finishing just outside the playoffs, it is reasonable to have thought they’d be mid-second round. Just because Mitch, Dray, Jokic and others have succeeded doesn’t mean we should expect anything better than Andy Rautins from those picks.

rama, your logic is deeply flawed here, almost to the point of being absurd.

First of all, Willy is NOT what you hope for in a second round pick, it’s what you would be content with. You HOPE for Ginobili or Jokic or Mitch. Your logic is that you would rather have a $1 winner on a lotto ticket than 1,000 or more unscratched tickets (you have to account for the odds being a jackpot winner, which is far greater in 2nd round drafting…and you selectively ignored that the 0% odds you posted are specific to the #33 pick…the #37, 40 and 48 picks have a 10% chance of yielding a star.) There’s also the trade value…from Day 1 those picks had more value than Willy and now it’s ridiculously lopsided.

Second, it was clear that Willy was a terrible player at that point…he wasn’t being blackballed, he was benched because he was completely unplayable on defense and strictly an old-school post player on offense, with little hope of developing given his age (23 at the time of the trade) and measurables (slow and short for a C, not suited for any other position.

Third, he REQUESTED a trade. That doesn’t mean you make a dumb trade to get rid of him. But to get TWO second round picks with a REASONABLE chance that they become #31-40 (we’re talking Charlotte!) was brilliant at the time and even more so now.

If you can’t credit mgmt for this trade, you are really in delusional mode. There’s lots to hammer them for, but this move is not one of them.

@2,3,&4
I would enjoy being a fly on the wall for your Danielson’s observation debriefs.

DRed, why is it nonsensical? I picked it because for any given team, you consider the starting 5 and the first couple of players off the bench as their “core” team and then there are 2-3 other “end-of-rotation” players. When you draft, doesn’t it make at least SOME sense that you hope that the player you draft will turn out to be at lease a starter of one of the first 2 players off the bench? And by “playoff” team, I mean that guys like Knox and Mudiay were top 6-7 rotation guys on an NBA team…the playoff designation was meant to eliminate guys who suck but play anyway because their team sucks, either accidentally or on purpose.

Or did you misinterpret what I meant? Because otherwise, I don’t get where the caustic term “nonsensical” comes in…

Oh man. I don’t mean to upset JK47 but this raiders/ab stuff is surreal.

El O EL Antonio Brown and Chucky

At least that’s 9 years of not having to hear him do broadcasts.

Raider fans are the ultimate when it comes to delusional thinking.

“This was a blessing in disguise”
“We’re still a playoff team without AB”
“The front office handled this really well”

All literal things I have read on Raider blogs today. The Raiders have probably the second worst roster in the NFL after Miami and the head coach is running the NFL equivalent of the “how’s it goink” offense.

This is gonna be an epic season.

Also, Frank… not encouraging.

CTE is likely but it’s probably just exacerbating his latent new-money assholishness. I am usually all for players beating up on the owners but Brown is going nuclear here. I wonder if Chucky saying that the leaked audio of their conversa!tion was “awesome” was his way of implying that Brown had just thoroughly sabotaged his earning potential over the next, and likely last, few years of his career. I wonder what kind of haircut he’s going to take when he accepts a nonguaranteed contract with the Pats in a few weeks.

Chucky’s reign has been spectacular.

First he reached for Kolton Miller in the first round of the 2018 draft, then moved a decent LT in Donald Penn to RT, a position he had never played, so Miller could play LT. Miller got absolutely roasted all year long, and Derek Carr got pummeled so badly all year he probably thought his name was David by the time the year was over. One of the obvious quality players the Raiders passed on was safety Derwin James, who made the Pro Bowl as a rookie and is a top 50 NFL player.

He didn’t want to pay Khalil Mack, one of the elite players in the NFL, so he traded Mack for a pitiful haul: one low first round pick and one pick swap, Raiders 2020 2RP for the Bears’ 2020 1RP. He used the 2019 pick on a running back who probably could have been snagged in the third round. Without Mack and Bruce Irvin the Raiders had the worst pass rush in the league.

He traded Amari Cooper for a 1RP, which was a fair price, and then used the 1RP on a mediocre safety who has poor coverage skills, and is similar to a former 1RP they already had on the roster named Karl Joseph.

In the 2019 draft he reached for Clelin Ferrell when an obviously better prospect in Josh Allen was still on the board.

The Raiders then used the savings from not paying Khalil Mack to make Trent Brown, who had been named to zero Pro Bowls, the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. They are playing Brown not at left tackle, but at right tackle, because they’re playing the previously mentioned terrible player Kolton Miller at left tackle.

Their other big salary cap expenditure (plus 3rd and 5th round picks) was Antonio Brown, which, uh, didn’t work out. Their WR corps is now a bunch of no-names.

Gruden is like a Phil Jackson who will never go away.

Perfect timing for this post considering Frank’s great game this morning vs Lithuania. 0 pts, 0 for 3 FG, 2 reb, 2 ast, 1 to and 4 fouls in 13 mins. 0 stl and 0 blk as well but that’s irrelevant cause the box score doesn’t capture his true defensive greatness.

Some truth behind Greece’s shitty performance.
4 hours before Greece-Usa on the other match of the Group Czechs beat Brazilians and gave the chance to Greece to afford losing by Team Usa and still make it to the next round.
If Brazil had won Czech Rep we would have seen a diferent Gre-Us match. A “This is Sparta/Win or Go to Mykonos”for Greece.
Now Greece needs to beat the Czechs (a Cinderella team first time in a WC) by 12 and also needs Usa to beat Brazil and goes to Final 8-Knockouts round.

Judging by the box score where would you see Frank on the next game of France?>
Somewhere between the fields of Bordeaux and the port of Marseille asking for a job non related to bball is a safe answer.

Where will he possibly be on the next VERY CRITICAL(to avoid USA on the next round) game vs Australia ?
Let’s wait & see…

In 2 days we’ll find out What Vincent Collet trusts more.
The box score or…

And there’s the official word that AB is a patriot

If France ends up playing the US at some point, somebody has to defend Kemba Walker. I can see the coach prioritizing that and starting Ntilikina.

Geo, my bad I didn’t check the end of the last thread until just now and that was by mistake since we’ve moved on to this new Frank inspired thread.

If Stanton comes back and gets enough at-bats to be ready for the postseason he has to start. The key is if his knee is healthy enough to be able to start in LF. He has always graded defensively as average to above average, he is a very good athlete who can play defense he’s not just a DH. With the sobering news today that Hicks might not be back that means Gardner has to play CF and to me means it’s even more vital Stanton returns. Tauchman has been a nice story but his bat has cratered recently even though he grades out as one of the best defensive outfielders in the league. I love Frazier’s bat but I can’t see them playing him in LF during the postseason even vs a LHP.

With EE and Voit back makes it even more imperative for Stanton to be able to play LF cause 1B/DH is covered with those 2 or even with DJ at 1B and Gio at 3B. I don’t envy Boone cause he has a ton of tough choices to make with the lineup in the postseason and will surely be second guessed big time if they lose and the guys he chooses struggle. Reminds me alot of 2006 when Matsui, Giambi and Sheffield returned late in the season and Torre had a different lineup every game in the ALDS trying to juggle everyone, Sheffield even played 1B.

very cool big blue…I can see that…I thought tauchman’s defense was significantly better…seems to make contact more often at the plate, plus can hit from the left side…

I know though he has to play…and, in just about any healthy situation the obvious choice to start…

he’s a big dude, hopefully there’s enough games left for him to swing well…doesn’t he normally play right…

is there much of a difficulty difference defending in left versus right field at yankee stadium?

does miguel make it back on the field this year, can he play second base…do you think didi’s coming back next year?

The world according to D-Rose

https://nypost.com/2019/09/07/derrick-rose-phil-jacksons-meddling-doomed-my-knicks/

“Steve Mills is talking all this black dude stuff with me, like we’re brothers and all this. He’s saying that s–t, making me think it’s going to make us closer. Come on, be yourself.”

I wonder how all that lands on players that are not black? Shall we ask KP?

The Yankees’ playoff roster crunch is pretty insane, I don’t remember there ever being this many tough choices. I had totally ruled out Happ, but he sure looks much better recently and we’re in no position to be passing on starters who could potentially get you through a playoff game.

Then once you get past the roster, the lineup choices seem downright impossible to navigate. You can’t play all of Voit-Gleyber-Didi-Urshela-DJ. Maybe you platoon Didi and Voit? That’s assuming Stanton can play LF, if he can’t this gets even harder.

The Hicks news sucks, injuries aside the guy is a really good jack-of-all-trades. Having said that, if Tauchman can heat back up we might not suffer much of a drop off.

The Marcus Stroman trade was bad.

Anthony Kay might be a better pitcher than Stroman right now.

derrick rose is incredibly efficient at revealing he lives on neptune without ever insulting the reader by coming out and saying it. except of course for a brief reentry into perfect lucidity whenever he talks about steve mills.

I thought Rose was pretty lucid when he talked about how the triangle could work but was a tough system to learn and anyway there was no way Melo would actually play it.

Same ol’ Jets…

Giants aren’t any better although I can always take solace in the fact I’ve seen them win 4 Super Bowls at least.

Maybe there was a mix-up and he’s really a champion biathlete or curler…

The Giants showed why there are reasons to be upset with Gettelman outside whatever the greek chorus is repeating. That defense is embarrassing. I don’t think Dak Prescott is going to be the last QB to have a perfect rating against this team. Hell, even Sam Darnold might have a good game when he plays them.

France lost to Australia today. Frank with another ’40 degree day’ box score.

Patty Mills put up #’s. Did anybody catch the game? Was Frank covering him?

except of course for a brief reentry into perfect lucidity whenever he talks about steve mills.

The 3 great mysteries of life are women, horses, and why Steve Mills still has a job in basketball. 🙂

I thought Rose was pretty lucid when he talked about how the triangle could work but was a tough system to learn and anyway there was no way Melo would actually play it.

100% agree.

There’s nothing wrong with the triangle. The Spurs and Warriors both use triangle principles heavily now to generate spacing and player/ball mlovement. Seems to be working fine for them. They just adapt it to take advantage of their personell. In the Warriors case having 3 of the greatest shooters of all time means you should shoot a lot more 3s. lol

Peak Melo was a very good player, but the triangle requires high IQ passing and player movement. A player like Melo should be the isolation bailout at the end of the possession if nothing good comes of the passing and movement. Melo and Rose are players that believe they should be the primary shot creation option in what will typically be a stagnant selfish low IQ bad offense. A leopard can’t chage stripes. haha

Adding Rose was no big deal. It was 1 year contract that could open space back up the following year much like the cap rollovers we did this year. It could at least be argued Rose for 1 year was better than Lopez etc.. for several years even though I liked Lopez and his contract. What made no sense at all was saying you want to play triangle and compete now but adding Rose to play with Melo. That’s idiotic. What made even less sense was then using that 20m of cap space gifted to Mills to add Baker and Hardaway.

Phil should’ve talked with Derrick Rose about trilateral Melo before handing out that mega max. DRose could’ve taught him a thing or two about roster construction.

What made even less sense was then using that 20m of cap space gifted to Mills to add Baker and Hardaway.

Wait, why was he only “gifted” $20M in space when the NBA salary cap is north of $100M? What happened to all of the other cap space? Seems weird!

@62, I think Richard Mille gave him a gift (maybe even paid him) so that they could get free publicity. I’m pretty sure NFL fines players for wearing things that are not approved. I don’t think Beckham would pay 200+ K for a watch and wear it in a game knowing he’ll be fined on top of that expenditure. I mean it’s possible, but my understanding is that the watchmaker pairs with athletes. Rafael Nadal is their brand ambassador and wore a 750+ K watch during his US Open Finals match. I would not be surprised if they teamed up with Odell being he’s definitely a fashion forward guy.

Reggie Roby used a wristwatch to track the hangtimes of his punts, which totally ruled

What are our thoughts about Odell Beckham wearing a $300k+ watch during a game?

A man can wear whatever he likes. I’ll just say trading Beckham was one of Gettelman’s best moves (although I do think he could have gotten more).

Reggie Roby used to punt while wearing a watch.

Edit: I should have scrolled up I see

well, so much for being excited about the world championships this summer…looks like may be only the semi-finals and final will be televised outside of espn +…

If you have a VPN service, try Kayo. It’s an Australian sports streaming service that is playing every World Cup game live. You can also access replays as well. It’s usually $25.00 AUD per month, but they have a 14 day free trial on at the moment. I signed up specifically for the WC, so plan on cancelling before the trial is done, but the streaming quality is pretty good, even on the free trial basis.

has a chinese perspective

Click on the event and then you get a list of streams. You then try each one to see what works.

To follow up on the question someone raised before about whether anyone watched teh France game, I watched the replay this morning (live game was a bit past my bed time for a school night).

The box score for Frank is very pedestrian, and he only got in 20 minutes of game time. Having not watched a lot of France this WC, what I would say about Frank from last night’s game was he is not picking up his dribble as often (i.e. he’s not dribbling to the top of the key, stopping and looking to immediately pass off). He is not moving at a blistering pace, but the handle looks a bit more comfortable, especially in the PnR. He had a few nice sequences with Gobert that resulted in some nice drives. Also had a good sequence in the 1st quarter we he got a steal and finished in the fast break. So all in all, a few nice signs, but nothing that screams breakout year.

As noted he looked decent in the PnR, but still doesn’t direct traffic a lot, so will be interesting to see what he might be able to do with Mitch and Randle. Maybe having him play the 2, but running PnR sets might be the go for him this year.