(Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:00:22 PM)
Where do the Knicks stand on Frank Ntilikina, the No. 8 overall pick in the 2017 NBA draft (taken ahead of Dennis Smith Jr. Zach Collins, and Donovan Mitchell)? This should tell you all you need to know: The Denver Nuggets decided to cast Emmanuel Mudiay aside and the Knicks traded for him and instantly Mudiay jumped Ntilikina on the depth chart. Ntilikina has played good defense but unimpressive offense for the Knicks this season and there is a thought from other teams around the league they may try to trade the young European.
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:00:22 PM)
Where do the Knicks stand on Frank Ntilikina, the No. 8 overall pick in the 2017 NBA draft (taken ahead of Dennis Smith Jr. Zach Collins, and Donovan Mitchell)? This should tell you all you need to know: The Denver Nuggets decided to cast Emmanuel Mudiay aside and the Knicks traded for him and instantly Mudiay jumped Ntilikina on the depth chart. Ntilikina has played good defense but unimpressive offense for the Knicks this season and there is a thought from other teams around the league they may try to trade the young European.
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 7:01:37 PM)
Here’s a look at the top five players that will be available for the 2019 NBA draft: 1. Zion Williamson, PF/C, Duke He’s a 6-foot-8 potential smallball center, a 285-pounder who powers to the rim for vicious dunks. He rebounds, block shots with ferocity and owns a motor coaches dream about. Though he’s almost assured…
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 12:46:19 PM)
Knicks coach David Fizdale gave European journalists a tanking course during the Knicks’ trip to London. There’s no such thing in British soccer’s renowned Premier League, where a club with the worst record faces threats of being “relegated’’ to a lower division. NBA commissioner Adam Silver won his lottery reform for 2019, but it has…
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 5:08:19 PM)
The 20-year-old Ntilikina has been jerked around by the Knicks this season, with him being benched for games at a time on multiple ocassions.
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:33:35 PM)
Enes Kanter continues to be a target of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, but the Knicks center is not staying silent.
(Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:18:45 AM)
Faried will sign with the Rockets, who may trade Carmelo Anthony to open up roster spot for the center.
52 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2019.01.20)”
I think we should trade Frank for a roster slot. Or maybe a tomato. How about that? A tomato for Frank?
For the record I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than the 20th pick. His boxscore is obviously awful but the eye test says he’s still in school, both mentally and in terms of his skill learning curve.
Most of all he takes minutes from Mudiay, who is the most unwatchable guard I have ever seen in the NBA. Even when he scores or makes another good play it looks totally dumb and unsustainable.
Regardless of what you feel about feel about Frank, trading him and investing in Mudiay would really suck.
Enes Kanter: more than just a defensive sieve
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This snow is vicious. I woke up to 20 inches and it’s still coming down heavy.
Is it better to get a pick back or to use as a sweetner, say Jabari for Timmy and frank?
And yet those plays continue. Definition of sustainable.
Where are you Bidiong? Only raining in NYC.
Still small sample size, of below average play, on a 10:34 team. I would not call it sustainable, when the full sentence is “sustainable good play” and the actual goal is “sustainable good play on a winning team”.
I’m near Saratoga Springs.
Lucky dog. I have family property up in Lake Luzerne but I haven’t heard the accumulation yet.
BTW it’s about 42.0 degrees and smoky in Portland.
Mudiay sucks too, no doubt, but we’re comparing dogshit to catshit. The likelihood of either of them being valuable players is low.
I’m still in the camp that Frank is too young and needs another season with a healthy KP.
If a team will take Timmy too, I will lovingly gift wrap Frank for them.
I’m sure Luzerne did pretty good Jowles.
If we do move frank to one of phx or Chicago I would to get the right to swap firsts as well but I think he should stay out another season. Next year at this time his value can only go up.
I was about to go on an endless rant about how I don’t understand why people love so much chuckers without any regard for their efficiency, but then I remembered that the whole artistic/entertainment world works this way (see: Bay, Michael or, I don’t know, Imagine Dragons).
Real quality is not necessarily en vogue. A pretense of grandeur is much more marketable on a large scale. That’s what Mudiay is.
Catching up on yesterday’s thread, it’s worth mentioning that Frank’s cap hold in the summer of 2021 is $18M. Does anyone think that’s not going to be renounced ASAP, regardless of what team he’s on by then?
So we really only have him controlled for the next two seasons. That’s still more than we have on Mudiay/Burke so I support playing him more than those guys as long as he’s here, but it’ll be hard to gin up any anger if he’s traded for two second rounders. In fact, I think we’d come out on top in such a deal.
Having once been a hired gun for a pop singer who, like Imagine Dragons, was clearly writing, producing and marketing his (extremely lucrative) music to tweens, I am not without blame, but my god there is nothing at all redeeming about this kind of pap. The one major difference is that no one is watching Knicks games and going, “Oh, this is pleasurable and good.” I think even the most optimistic Knicks fans wish they could sedate themselves into 2021.
Does anyone really look at Mudiay and see aesthetic value?
I see don’t see “control” as much of an asset unless the player’s contract is for less than he’s worth. That’s often not the case with these young players.
I don’t know the current market value of Mudiay, Burke, or Vonleh right now, but my guess is that Vonleh could get us a couple of 2nd rounders. If more, that would be great. I’m just pretty sure on average we aren’t going to find another Vonleh with two 2nd rounders. That’s why I’m in favor of trying to keep him. I’m not going to worry about the low probability event of Durant coming here and losing him for nothing. I’ll have DURANT. I’m more worried about having an even worse core team next other than the return of KP, whoever we add in 1st round of the draft, and whatever improvement we get. We have so few good players.
I don’t mind either Burke or Mudiay being a permanent backup on some minimum deal, what bothers me is that we are probably going to pay Mudiay too much and both are killing the development of Frank.
He improved, but the starting point was so low he’s still a negative on both sides of the ball and huge negative overall.
I like mudiay s handle and occasionally he breaks out for a big game, he seems to get to the rim at will and shows clutch offensive prowess at times. I could see a team wanting him for a playoff push as a backup.
For us he is not the future guard. But I wouldn’t be surprised to eat an offer, maybe a second rounder.
I love Ntilikina and am willing to be patient until he finds his footing, but that rumored trade of him & THJ to the Mavs for DSJ & Matthews? I’d do that without blinking. Only because of the cap room it clears. DSJ is good enough of an offensive prospect, that I can live without Ntilikina’s defensive potential- as long as it means Perry is prepared to go hard after Kawhi. Next year’s starting 5 could be DSJ-Kawhi-Knox-KP-MitchRob! Holy fuckin hell Batman! Such a move would also lead to us easily retaining Vonleh while adding better role players around those guys.
Yes, please
Player is good because:
-scores a bunch of points every so often
-shows “clutch”-ness
-“gets to the rim at will”
The most mase post ever, right there.
I was recently at a social gathering where for complex social and emotional reasons I had to sit quietly by as someone talked about what a great band Imagine Dragons is.
Afterwards I purified myself in the flames….
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i said based on that he has value to other teams.
The odds of Mudiay ever playing a minute in the NBA playoffs are about as low as Frank getting a second contract after 2020-21.
Jowles, I don’t necessarily agree, but that’s only contingent on the fact that in his 30s he might be the third PG on a fringe playoff team and injuries happen.
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So you think mudiay is good enough to last in the pros thru his 30’s then?
I think that GMs usually are stupid enough to keep lottery picks in the league as long as they average 10+ PPG. When a player is in the league for eight years, there will be a few coaches stupid enough to vie for sucky veteran players out of laziness. So, it has nothing to do with being good.
I dint know about that. Gms aren’t idiots with a few exceptions of our front office
Frank is gonna get a second contract. Even if you think he’s a bust some team will want to gamble on his defensive potential.
I believe they should not trade Vonleh as the return will be minimal as are the chances that return brings back a player even as good as he’s shown this year. It’s worth it to try and bring him back on some sort of reasonable deal to see how he fits next to KP. That seems like a good fit and as stated the Knicks have such few decent players and Vonleh is one of them.
@11 good analogy. which player is dogshit and which is catshit, people need to know.
Rarely in the history of basketball has so much been written with such deep analysis on a player who’s shown so little and is likely never to amount to much as Frank Ntilikina.
I’m down on Frank – I’ve always been down on Frank. That said, he’s on a rookie scale contract through 2021 including his team option. Keep him until then.
It’s too early to trade frank. He’s too young and still adjusting to America. Don’t trade him. That’s my vote
Being on a rookie contract as the 8th pick isn’t exactly playing for peanuts, especially as you start entering the final couple of years of the contract.
Just read this nugget from Bondy’s article about Fiz criticizing the Knicks selfishness:
Yet Fiz keeps empowering THJ and Mudiay to shoot, while the GM looks to dump Frank. These guys should at least get on the same page. I guess they just don’t want to admit to the tank.
According to B-R, Mudiay and Burke both have a higher AST%.
Fiz is definitely failing to get them to pass, but based on his constant comments bemoaning the fact that the Knicks don’t share the ball it’s not for lack of trying. It might be lack of player ability, might be a coaching failure, but we do know that our players are terrible.
Funny how I’ve evolved from the original voice of doom on Frank to a relative optimist….
Looks like that article was using assist ratio, not percentage. And apparently weve fucled up even worse cause Ron Baker is top 20 in assist ratio.
After the Knicks waived Ron Baker he signed with the Wizards and played 45 mins with them before being waived again. In those 45 mins he scored 0 pts on 0 for 4 shooting (all 3pters) and had 2 asts with 2 tos. The Knicks didn’t fuck up waiving Baker, they fucked up signing him to that insane contract.
Ron Baker went from being undrafted to being paid like a high lottery pick for 2 years. Not Mills at his finest.
I’m totally cool with people being hopeful about Kevin Knox’s future. Heck, I’m hopeful about Kevin Knox’s future, but for fuck’s sake, how do you have Knox now on your first team All-Rookie team?
That’s a bad take.
Knox might be that good?
That might not have been pass interference on the Rams also.
Can you imagine watching Kevin Knox play and thinking, “Why do we even need Zion? We have Knox!” And seriously, I don’t mean that as a shot at Knox.
I don’t know how Ben Nadeau sleeps at night writing this stuff….
😉
When was Vince Mc Mahon named commissioner of the NFL?
This is my nightmare and I think there’s a non-zero chance that our front office might believe it.
I thought the joke about the usefulness of assist ratio as a stat was obvious. Alas, I was undone by my typos.
So Kevin Knox has played 37 games and scored below his season average number of points in seventeen games, or roughly in half of them? What an astounding result and what deep analysis.
I mean what else would you actually expect to happen?
Yeah, even the slight criticism of Knox in the middle of the absurdly over-the-top praise of Knox was ill-informed, as well. Just a really bad take from a professional sports writer.