(Saturday, November 10, 2018 3:05:00 PM)
Two losses, one day.
While the Knicks doubled-down earlier in the season that a trade for Jimmy Butler wasn’t in their sights, seeing the disgruntled shooting guard reportedly get dealt on Saturday to Philly — where he’ll likely sign a max extension with the 76ers, pending approval from the NBA…
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:27:05 PM)
The Eastern Conference-best Raptors were too much for the Knicks, as New York fell 128-112 in Toronto on Saturday
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 3:38:52 PM)
So how does Jimmy Butler’s trade to the Sixers affect the Knicks’ offseason? They still have a few options to work with…
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 2:42:18 PM)
The Knicks take on the Eastern Conference-best Raptors on Saturday in Toronto.
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 12:54:38 PM)
The Timberwolves have finally granted SG Jimmy Butler’s wish to leave Minnesota, as they reportedly traded him to the Sixers.
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 3:19:19 PM)
TORONTO — Slowly, Kevin Knox is regaining his form. In his third game back after missing the previous seven with a left ankle injury, the rookie wing scored 12 points in 24 minutes in the Knicks’ 128-112 loss to the Raptors at Scotiabank Arena. “I felt good, actually,” Knox said.“I thought I was going to…
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 12:43:25 PM)
TORONTO — The Knicks’ big-ticket offseason possibilities may be dwindling. First, Kyrie Irving said he plans to re-up with the Celtics, and then, Jimmy Butler was traded to the 76ers on Saturday, with reports stating he likely will remain in Philadelphia. The disgruntled Butler, a four-time All-Star, reportedly was dealt, along with forward Justin Patton,…
(Saturday, November 10, 2018 12:24:13 PM)
TORONTO — David Fizdale had no interest in discussing the blockbuster Jimmy Butler trade to the 76ers and the deal’s ramifications for the Knicks early Saturday afternoon. He had other problems on his mind. “This team that we’re playing … that’s so skilled watching the film, I haven’t even had time to process that,” the…
[NYTimes] Jimmy Butler Set to Join 76ers, as Timberwolves Move to End Chaos With a Trade (Saturday, November 10, 2018 11:53:38 PM)
The deal would send Dario Saric and Robert Covington to Minnesota, match Butler with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons in Philadelphia, and end the N.B.A.’s most riveting drama.
52 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.11)”
I think the Sixers are going to regret that trade.
For all the debate about a Butler-Kyrie pairing on the Knicks, it now appears that both are already off the market.
we can’t get Bayless, he went to Minnesota. But Mudiay for Fultz I am fine with;
There’s a decent chance that Saric isn’t a good NBA player.
Are the Sixers really that down on Fultz?
I don’t think thebsixers will regret that trade. They just got a player who can do everything they need them to do and more. Reddick will get more open shots with better spacing. They’re a team on the top tier now.
Minnesota got fleeced. Saric and Covington are nice players. That doesn’t mean you accept them and pretty much nothing else for Jimmy Butler. Why did Glen Taylor let Thibs make this trade?
I think the Butler trade is a screaming out of the park grand slam home run for the 76ers.
As good as Simmons is overall, he can’t shoot at all and isn’t dependable as a scorer. They needed another all star caliber scorer that can get 20 a night and space the floor if they wanted to contend.
It’s WAY harder to find a player like Butler than it is to find solid role players like Saric and Covington. Butler is one of the best 2-way players in the league “when healthy”. They are going to have a lock down defense, better offense, and a veteran presence for the playoffs. They still have plenty of cap space next year to find the role players they need to fill out the team. They may even be able to pick up a player here or there on the cheap later this season.
As it stands, they may not be deep enough to contend for a title this year, but they are WAY closer now. Before this trade they were the 3rd-5th best team in the East after having allowed some of their veteran depth to leave. Now they are a couple of solid role players away from giving anyone fits. And they didn’t even have to give up a 1st round pick to do it.
I actually think it’s a great trade for the wolves. They had zero leverage and ended up getting two guys that can be starters on a good team with better contracts to boot.
I love Ntilikina and his potential but who says no to a deal that is centered around Frank and Lee for Fultz and Wilson chandler? Frank and Lee are literally perfect for philly and the salaries are basically identical.
I thought Frank and Dotson did an excellent job on Leonard and Lowry last night. Dotson struggled a little on offense, but it’s understandable given the assignment.
The real problem now is the bench. We have a bunch of one way players that aren’t even that good at their one strength. Guys like Hezonja, Mudiay, and Kanter can’t be on the court together. Mudiay is playing a little better, but we are only appreciating that because he was so terrible previously and we are so weak at PG in general (other than Frank’s defense). Most of these “fliers” management took should probably be moved other than Vonleh. I’d rather roll with Baker. At least he does one thing very well.
Robinson has an impact at times, but he’s extremely limited on offense. There are only going to be so many lob dunks a game, especially when the other team knows that’s the only thing you can do. It’s going to take time with him.
Hardaway is either 10 basketball IQ points, some more experience, or a good scoring sidekick like KP away from being a very good offensive basketball player. IMO he is WAY better than he used to be. It’s not just some random hot shooting I’m talking about. He handles, creates, finishes, gets to the FT line, and shoots better. He’s good, if not very good, offensive player now. The shot selection still needs work, but with KP on the court, it might help.
Here’s the obligatory knicks two cents of trading lee to the sixers.. they really could use more outside shooting! There I’m done
I don’t think I like fultz/ chandler for frank and Lee though.
Frank is an a list defender. That’s more valuable than a pg who can’t shoot straight.
Moving lee for chandler on the other hand is a go!
Yeah, the Knicks have a a few bench scorers out there at the same time, so the D suffers. Kanter, Hezonja, Burke, Mudiay (now that he’s scoring okay, but that likely won’t last). Really THJ, too, would be best in that role on a good team. Trier and Knox can hopefully develop into more than that.
It would be nice if the Knicks could be making “go for it” moves like the Sixers, but they are at least one year, and probably more, away. KP is such a huge question mark, but his health and his attitude.
Just keep being patient. Play the kids and let them take their lumps.
It’s not a “good” trade, but given the circumstances at least they got 2 players that can play a role with Towns long term. So that’s good. The thing is, now they aren’t within a million miles of contention. When you have Towns and Butler you are 1 player away from being a serious team. Now they are nowhere and still have the Dieng and Wiggins contracts. If I was Towns, I might be regretting that extension if I was serious about contending and winning.
Lee/Dotson for Chandler/Korkmaz works under the cap. Gives Philly two competent two-way wings and gets us out of Lee’s second year.
I just don’t understand how Fultz wasn’t part of this trade. Minnesota should have wanted him instead of two rotation pieces. He could be Towns’ running partner for years. Philadelphia should have wanted to keep the two rotation pieces instead of a guy who might not be ready to contribute during Butler’s prime. And it would end up making that awful trade they made with Boston easier to swallow.
Moving Lee for Chandler makes a ton of sense for us, but I’m not sure the 76ers need another SG. Reddick and Butler play SG and since they lost Saric who played PF they will probably just move Chandler into the PF slot.
Including Dotson in any trade to get rid of Lee should not be on the table unless we already have a done deal with an elite free agent and that’s the only way. Lee has no place here, but I wouldn’t give up anything to move him without a clear path towards a better outcome.
Except that lee is another shooter and they need competent three point shooting to go with their young guns for a deep playoff run, Butler isn’t that guy.
Philly won’t move chandler for Lee straight up if Chandler’s healthy. Chandler is expiring, plays a position of greater need, and might be better than Lee anyway. They’d only make that deal if Chandler never recovers AND Lee comes back strong.
That’s why I think a Lee/Dotson package (for Chandler and Korkmaz) is more realistic.
I have no idea what they are doing with Fultz. The one thing I am fairly certain about is that he shouldn’t be on the court with Simmons. The one thing both do well is make plays and the one thing they both do poorly is shoot. Fultz should be part of the 2nd unit where he’d be free to run the offense and there wouldn’t be any of the spacing issues they have with him and Simmons on the court together. If it turns out that Fultz is too good to be a bench player, that’s great. Then they can get what they need by trading him. The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to help his confidence and showcase him a little because it makes no sense to me.
They need 3 point shooting, but thy can’t possibly have Lee, Butler, and Reddick on the court together. So one of them is superfluous.
It’s more realistic but it’s a bad deal for us.
Lee became so superfluous because Dotson is taking that spot (which I was hoping he’d do last year) and we found Tier. If you move both Lee and Dotson, then we may need another SG/SF. Dotson is too good to just toss in a deal. At worst, he’s a very good two way role player off the bench.
I think Fultz’s value around the league is next to nothing. Otherwise I’d agree with you that it would make the most sense for everyone for him to involved.
Actually I think AT BEST Dotson is a decent two-way wing off the bench, not at worst. He’s 24 already and making a modest impact on a bad team. I don’t see a world where he’s a starter on a good team. We also already have THJ and Trier at the 2.
In the deal I proposed we’d also be getting back Korkmaz, who’s 3 years younger than Dotson and has some upside.
Fultz could be in China in three years’ time. That shot is so broken that I’m not sure he’ll ever be more than a Russell Westbrook with a significantly worse jumper. And that is not a good player, no matter how great the dunks look.
Sixers still committed a heist. Thin at PF but they basically need a Steve Novak type to stand in the corner and rain threes while Butler and Simmons attack the rim. If the Wolves passed on four 1sts from Houston… Jesus Christ.
Agree with all the points on Fultz. I just think if I’m anyone in the wolves other than thibodeu I’d rather buy his potential then Saric’. Fultz and Covington would have been the trade I insisted on. And I think Philly would have done that.
Aside:
Carmelo Anthony somehow noticed my friend knocking him deep in someone’s insta comments bc he’s that kind of guy. Talk about rabbit ears. Good thing he doesn’t read this blog.
https://mobile.twitter.com/schmooey/status/1061470999592480768
I wonder if the Rockets will just release Melo?
I suppose I’m a melo hater.. he had moments for us but it wasn’t his fault Phil signed him to a monster contract with a player option while he wasn’t interested in playing defense and was and still is a ball hog.
I’m not saying the Sixers would want Lee but he would easily fit into their rotation. You can play Simmons at the 4 defensively with Reddick at the 1, Lee at the 2 and Butler at the 3.
He didn’t need to with ruru here.
Has anyone ever seen er and Melo in a room at the same time? I’m just asking questions, folks.
“They need 3 point shooting, but thy can’t possibly have Lee, Butler, and Reddick on the court together. So one of them is superfluous.”
Why not? That would work fine on both ends since they have a 6-10 pg who can guard every position. Butler would be the 3.
Zion tv on ESPN. Vs army lol, not even a line on this game
If Minny really refused the 4 1sts offer from Houston, that’s looking like a super dumb move right now.
The curious thing is that all Philly need is the guy they had last season (Ilyasova) and the guy they signed but backed off (Bjelica), they won’t need much more than a guy like this. They’re probably banking on getting the next Ilyasova as a waived veteran or even if they don’t, they don’t have to rush things if Butler is willing to re-sign since they’ll have 20+ cap space guaranteed simply by renouncing on Chandler and Redick.
10 points on 5 shots in 8 minutes. Zion is unstoppable.
I wonder if the duke starting 5 would beat our Knicks in a 5 game series
to bad there ain’t some kind of “triple option” the black knights can run…
that’s cool though that Duke has them in their schedule…
great opportunity for the cadets to play at duke, and, get nationally televised…
It was nice thinking we could get Zion with anything but the #1 overall pick for a while there
Damn… Barrett is shooting poorly, Reddish too, then you look at Zion and see 21 and 9 with 3 assists on 9-11 shooting.
Cam Reddish is kinda hard for me to fathom. He’s the tallest of the 3DF, the best shooter, and probably the best ball handler too. If we landed him, I’d be so excited.
What the fuck does “motor” mean?
wow, so not only is Zion incredibly physically gifted, but – he seems extremely “alert” (dude has lasers for eyes) and very competitive (diving all over the floor)…
haven’t heard him speak yet, and, I have no idea about how he gets along with others…
I hope he gets a chance to go to a good organization, or, maybe even us 🙂
Looks like Army is better than Kentucky and Zion is better than everyone else. Six blocks eh?
Zion is literally perfect for the Knicks next to Robinson/KP but idk if the Knicks would pick him if they had the #1–unless the media pegged him as the obvious #1 pick–because we already have KP, Knox, and Robinson and our frontcourt would be crowded. It’d be a stupid reason to not pick Zion, because KP is injured, Knox won’t look like an NBA player any time soon, and Robinson can come off the bench, but I could see them picking Barrett over Zion as the THJr. replacement.
Though it also looks like you can play Zion at any of the 3,4,5 positions and it doesn’t even fucking matter, the dude is just that athletic. So you could just have a rotation of Frank/THJr/Zion/KP/Robinson and also do fine.
It’d be interesting to see Zion matchup with someone with remotely similar size athleticism but there might not be anyone in the NCAA.
Zion looks like an NFL tailback playing in high school
Unless someone puts LBJ in a time machine there might not be anyone in the NBA either.
give Felton two more years
It used to mean constant motion, i. e. a player overreacting to everything who hadn’t learned to be efficient with their exertions and thus wasted a lot of energy. Somehow this was considered a positive. “Look how he runs to the huddle during timeouts, such a high motor!” Similar to “scrappiness”, but generally useless.
I think motor means different things to different people. It can mean speed, like John Wall (what a motor down the court!) or constant energetic activity, like our own beloved Ron Baker. It can mean both, although that’s not true for either the Strolling Bullet or the Mopheaded Hustlebunny, who each lack the other’s particular ability/tendency. In neither case does it denote efficiency, which is something else entirely (in both these examples, for different reasons).
Zion could have both skill sets (and god forbid develop some efficiency with them), but then again at that youthful age with those muscles I would find it hard not to leap and sprint to the bathroom to brush my teeth. Time will tell.