Knicks Morning News (2018.10.13)

  • [NYPost] Knicks dragging out rookie’s roster promotion
    (Saturday, October 13, 2018 12:24:07 AM)

    David Fizdale said undrafted rookie guard Allonzo Trier’s two-way contract will not be ripped up until, at the earliest, after his 45 days of service is completed on the Knicks roster. Trier still can play, but technically will not be on the 15-man roster when it is set Monday. Trier had a scintillating training camp,…

  • [NYPost] Knox struggles, Hardaway hurts wrist in Knicks’ preseason finale
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 6:31:33 PM)

    The Knicks finished their preseason Friday with a Garden loss to the Nets, a 3-2 record, Kevin Knox still shaky, Tim Hardaway Jr. achy and no official answer on who will start at point guard on opening night. Things didn’t clear up in the now four-man point-guard derby as coach David Fizdale would have liked,…

  • [NYPost] Nets guard: Why wouldn’t we be better than the Knicks?
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 9:49:24 AM)

    After Spencer Dinwiddie had already stirred the pot with his assertion that he should’ve won last year’s Most Improved Player award, the Brooklyn guard continued to stoke the fires of a milquetoast Nets-Knicks rivalry in need of a little heat going into Friday’s preseason meeting at the Garden. During the same interview on the YES…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Fizdale says Kevin Knox will remain in starting lineup
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 10:22:39 PM)

    Knicks rookie Kevin Knox struggled down the stretch in his first NBA preseason, but coach David Fizdale believes the best way for the 19-year-old to grow and improve is to remain in the starting lineup.

  • [SNY Knicks] Nets hold on to beat Knicks, 113-107, in preseason finale
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 10:05:41 PM)

    D’Angelo Russell scored a team-high 18 points and had seven assists to help carry his team to a 113-107 win over the Knicks in a preseason game on Friday night at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Tim Hardaway Jr. vows to play in opener after spraining wrist
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 10:28:37 PM)

    Knicks SG Tim Hardaway Jr. left Friday night’s final preseason bout against the Nets with a sprained left wrist.

  • [SNY Knicks] Fizdale: Knicks could match PG Ntilikina up against power forwards
    (Friday, October 12, 2018 11:05:05 AM)

    Though Knicks head coach David Fizdale said Lance Thomas will be New York’s starting power forward, he suggested second-year point guard Frank Ntilikina could also spend some time at the 3 or 4.

  • 29 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.10.13)”

    Woj reporting that, after all that, we’re stretching Noah with no savings.

    I have no idea why they’re doing this. It seems like he’s estranged from the team anyway so the whole “locker room cancer” thing doesn’t apply. The worst case scenario is it becomes a problem with the union at which point we could just…stretch him then.

    I might have to go to the game when we play whatever team he ends up on just to boo. He deserves it, truly.

    It’s about not having to cut anyone else. (Especially since we already have to cut someone whenever Trier’s contract converts.) I’d rather just dump Mudiay or Kornet, but the FO didn’t want to cut guys who were actually on the team.

    I would think Tibs and the Wolves have to pick up Noah now, so he can help Jimmy Butler in yelling about shit in practice.

    Wow. He gave back no salary? There’s no reason we should have been so desperate to move him.

    Phil Jackson really gave Melo an NTC, traded for Derrick Rose, gave Joakim Noah $72M, and didn’t trade for Sacramento’s 2019 1st round pick because he wanted to sign Aaron Afflalo and Derrick Williams.

    I think the only good thing the Phil Jackson era brought us was that James Dolan swore he would stay out of team affairs, and that he’s still out of the way.

    Thanks Phil!

    That was a stupid decision that I was happy Perry and Mills has seemingly moved on from, but well, there’s probably a quota of bad decisions that need to get filled every season to keep a job at MSG, so maybe I should have expected it.

    Glad to see Noah gone. Not happy we can’t negotiate a damn cutback at least for releasing a guy who clearly is 100% intent on leaving, and don’t understand why the hell do we need to cut this dude anyway, but locker room and leadership and bla bla bla ok.

    He didn’t trade draft picks, which for this franchise was a big deal.

    And he picked KP, which despite revisionist history was neither an obvious pick nor highly praised at the time. And he had him ranked higher than anyone after KAT.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    I sounds like Noah might have been a scumbag in the negotiations. He’s saying he was unwilling to give up any money because he had no traction with another NBA team. So basically he’s claiming that he couldn’t recover an amount equal to whatever he gave up from the next team because there is no team that wants him.

    Unless he has so damaged himself that he’s telling the truth and no one wants him, he’s going to wind up making MORE money (albeit a small amount) via this debacle.

    That’s some real BS right there.

    I had some sympathy for the guy because on merit I thought he deserved a chance to play last year before the blowup. I also thought Hornacek was way out of line to pull him in garbage time, but my sympathy is gone. F him.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    Adrian Wojnarowski: Minnesota’s Tom Thibodeau has shown no interest in adding Joakim Noah to his collection of ex-Bulls, league sources tell ESPN.

    I can’t really blame Noah for not giving back money. He successfully called the Knicks’ bluff. He got what he wanted and got to keep all the money. Who wouldn’t adopt that negotiating posture?

    This is the natural outcome of hiring a mentally declining relic from the 90s to run the team right as other NBA front offices were rapidly modernizing. That particular aspect of the timing doesn’t get as much attention as it should.

    I think Noah is out of the league for good. Maybe he’ll play in Europe, but he’s likely done playing professionally.

    I mean, I don’t blame Noah, but what sort of leverage did he even fucking have?

    If he played hard on the negotiations, why should Mills and Perry care? What is he going to do, say he refuses to play? Awesome, he shouldn’t be playing anyway. Damage the Knicks reputation? Why would he want to do that when he’s still allegedly looking for a new team to play with?

    It just seems so completely unnecessary to do this right now. It seems like a desperation move from a front office that has no reason to be desperate at all. There has to be something about Mills and Perry’s relation with him or something like that, more than just “he’ll be annoying in the locker room”. Deng had no leverage, had interest from a NBA team in the Timberwolves and still gave some money back.

    He didn’t trade draft picks, which for this franchise was a big deal.

    We don’t have our second round pick this year, which could be 31-35, because Phil Jackson traded it to open a roster spot for Travis Wear.

    I know you probably meant first rounders, and sure you can count that in his favor, but this pick has pretty similar value to a first.

    If Noah didn’t care too much about playing anymore then he’s got all the leverage in the world.

    It’s pretty amazing that we couldn’t get back one damn dollar. Deng gave back $7.5 million and he’s almost as washed as Noah.

    If Noah was playing hardball, Perry should have just waived Kornet or Vonleh and kept Noah as the 3rd center. Those guys are non-factors for the 2019-20 season, which is all that matters. The ability to trade Noah or force him into negotiating a buyout down the road actually does matter for 2019-20.

    Scott, repeat after me: “This season’s record does not matter. This season’s record does not matter. This season’s record does not matter.”

    The Knicks once paid Jerome James $30m over 5 years to do nothing. Today, the Knicks agreed to pay Noah $34m over 5 years to do nothing.


    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    The way a negotiation is supposed to work is that you determine the current market value of the player and negotiate giving back some or all of that amount. That way the player will still make almost as much as before but is released to actually play somewhere else.

    It’s never supposed to end with the team letting you out of the contract and giving you the full amount. That means the player is getting all he is owed, getting out of his contact so he can play, and getting a new contract for even more money. He’s actually profiting on the deal.

    The only way that makes sense is if the player has no prospects for another contract or if there is some huge benefit to getting rid of him. No one is going to convince me that keeping Kornet is worth anything meaningful to the Knicks. They should have told Noah to go F himself and released Kornet if he refused to give anything back. Again, the one exception being if they legitimately believe his NBA career is over.

    The Knicks should have released someone else instead of Noah, period. Perhaps Hezonja. It is also true that there’s probably no market in the NBA for Noah’s services, but those things have nothing to do with each other.

    I don’t blame Noah one bit. He didn’t force Phil Jackson’s dumb ass to give him that contract, and it’s not like the Knicks were going to give him a bonus if he won 3 DPOY awards and led his buddies Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose to multiple championships.

    Waiving him now is, of course, dumb. But the guy is entitled to every penny of that contract.

    On a more positive note, I just watched the replay of last night’s game, and decided to just focus on Frank.

    The man is a complete stud on defense. He fights through screens, helps when necessary and stays on his man like glue. I didn’t see one time where he gave up an open shot or allowed his man to get by him.

    He also had a solid offensive game last night, with some good finishes and nice dishes to Robinson and Vonleh. Yes, there will be nights where they’re not playing the Nets and he’ll struggle and turn the ball over, but there were a lot of positive signs last night.

    Count me as bullish on Frankie Smokes.

    The whole Noah incident – When the Knicks make a mistake they really make it count
    $72,000,000 worth – Just Incredibly Stupid

    And he picked KP, which despite revisionist history was neither an obvious pick nor highly praised at the time. And he had him ranked higher than anyone after KAT.

    I totally give Phil credit for making the pick for KP, but here was the consensus mock draft for the 2015 NBA Draft based on 12 major mock draft sites:

    1. WOLVES: Karl-Anthony Towns
    2. LAKERS: Jahlil Okafor
    3. SIXERS: D’Angelo Russell
    4. KNICKS: Kristaps Porzingis
    5. MAGIC: Justise Winslow
    6. KINGS: Emmanuel Mudiay
    7. NUGGETS: Mario Hezonja

    It is revisionist history to suggest that Porzingis was not the consensus pick at #4.

    As I said with Frank, let’s see how he does in the first 10 games. The preseason is only marginally useful in determining player development. Coaches on both teams are running out weird, scrubby lineups, vets are tinkering, refs are calling things tightly and nobody really cares who wins (or one team cares more for developmental reasons.) But on offense, Frank had one terrible game, two very mediocre games and 2 reasonably effective (for a 20yo) games, playing differing roles in every game. His D is not even a question, he’s a stud.

    We play the Bucks, Celts, Heat, Warriors, Pacers, Mavs and Wiz in the first couple of weeks. We’ll learn a lot more about all the young players, including Frank, during that stretch. I’d be pleasantly surprised if Frank’s TS% is above .500 by then.

    I’d be pleasantly surprised if Frank’s TS% is above .500 by then.

    Absolutely agreed. It’d be a huge win if he was over .500 by then.

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