2018 Draft Comment Thread Post author By KnickerBlogger Post date June 21, 2018 467 Comments on 2018 Draft Comment Thread Yours truly is actually heading to the draft, with some hastily printed signs. Maybe I’ll get on tv… Have at it! ← Knicks Morning News (2018.06.21) → Knicks Morning News (2018.06.22) 467 replies on “2018 Draft Comment Thread” As I was saying, tonight Mill and Perry either take Kevin Knox at #9 or we find out that they’ve been trolling the entire internet for the past few days… 🙂 I’ll be so happy for anyone not named Knox or Lonnie Walker. For the love of God, Perry, make the right choice! What if MPJ is there at 9? Roll the dice on him rather than Knox? Doncic Doncic Doncic! Wait, the Mavs are holding up a trade to move from 5 to three because they won’t take Bazemore for Wesley Matthews? Seriously? I’m on the phone right now to Atlanta offering a handshake agreement: Either we trade them Kanter and whoever they want us to pick at 9, for Doncic and Baze. Or we trade them whoever they want at 9 for 3 and Baze if Kanter opts out. If Kanter opts in, we agree to give them, say, 36 and $5m to offset that. So they either get full cap relief from Baze, or the same $ impact as Matthews but an extra pick and case. Hell, and whatever else they want. (Handshake because not legal until 1 July, obvs) Trae Young dressed up like a hobbit. Or maybe a leprechaun. @5 yeah I would snap call that bid if I were Cuban Latest says it’s between Miles Bridges vs Knox. I didn’t think I’d be rooting for Miles Bridges but I would much rather take him. I don’t really know if he’ll be good but at least he’s not a shot in the dark. He’s the kind of prospect I tend to love but he has done some pretty good things during actual basketball games. In any case let’s all agree that if a miracle hits tonight dtrickey will name his child Luka If I was a Mavs fan and we cheaped out on moving up one slot to draft Doncic at the cost of just $$$$ I would lose my mind. Knicks need to get in on that #3 slot. Make it happen NY! What’s with the gauntlet of kids that the green room guys and their parents have to walk past? WCJ’s dressing like he’s the prince of Zamunda. Doncic’s mom is smoking. He gets half her chromosomes so it appears that Luka will age well. Lonnie is a gentleman with the way he helps his mother down the stairs but he looks like Erik Kilmonger. I’m predicting Sexton. Who knew Trae Young wanted to dress just like Angus Young when he grew up? @13 She’s right up there with Luke Kornet’s mom! Lol at some of those players not helping their moms (most in heels) walk down those treacherous stairs! I simply don’t find myself rooting hard for or against anyone at #9. Of course, I’d rather move up, but it’s such a roll of the dice that I just have to have faith. Lol at some of those players not helping their moms (most in heels) walk down those treacherous stairs! That would eliminate them off my list. Sorry Luka. Adam Silver came to my place of work earlier this year for an event, and it was nice chatting with him. I told him to do something to help the Knicks, we’ve suffered enough! Bwahahahaha! The NBA Draft being held in the Barklay Center is the closest Nets fans will ever get to a top pick. BTW, I am digging Adam Silver’s trolling the fans with his Warriors love. i hope doncic goes to the mavs… we need good players going to the good organizations… @22 No we don’t. We need good players like Doncic going to shitty franchises so they can opt out at 24-25 years old and go to the Knicks. The safe bet is Mikal. Are Perry and Mills willing to gamble on more potential upside with a younger player that will require more patience (or buy them more time before it’s clear they were wrong)? Ok, the known is done. Now the fun begins! Ayton is I guess like a better rebounding, more “modern” Amar’e? Seems more like Amar’e than he does Embiid, who they’re comparing him to right now. I think he’s closest to LMA LONG LIVE MIKE K Here we go…. Marvin Bagley? Really? Over Doncic? Bagley #2. Bad pick. Kings gonna Kings Mavs! Damn Mostly predictable. Now….Doncic, JJJ, or Bamba? the draft guys for espn are insufferable….. So does Orlando take Bamba now? Doncic to Mavs reportedly…fuck Dallas lands Doncic! #kingsy oops! so young is going 5 now too…. ugh…. so there goes carter for the knicks…. Doncic to Dallas? What a waste. Well this sucks It never gets better for Knicks fans. I hope that Doncic doesn’t get any positive feedback on that chinstrap. Probably the biggest negative about his game. Not quite UCLA Kevin Love level bad, but pretty close. Is there a report as to what ATL gets back? People here honestly thought there was even a slight chance the Knicks traded up for Doncic?? We’re always the bridesmaid, never the bride. 😐 It never gets better for Knicks fans. Hey, we’re about to draft a guy who had a really good workout Atlanta gets a future 1st rd pick from Dallas, thats it from what I’ve read. No players involved in deal. People here honestly thought there was even a slight chance the Knicks traded up for Doncic?? Not me, I’m the guy who coined the term “Dolan’s Razor” Man Atlanta is hapless JJJ I have to think the Knicks could have made that same deal. #9 is not as good as #5 for sure, but our future 1st rounder might be more valuable than the Mavs and we could have always sweetened it a little more with 2nd rounders or a little less protection if need be. Maybe Mavs pick is for next year and not protected?? Smart move by Dallas. Now Trae obviously Not me, I’m the guy who coined the term “Dolan’s Razor” The theorem that leads to the conclusion that even if he were available, the Knicks would still somehow end up with Sexton. the problem was that we weren’t at a slot that guaranteed young for them i imagine…. i would have absolutely came in with a godfather offer tho…. woj dropping bombs from the future We needed to get lucky luka! IDK guys. not at 9, but I would trade down and take Donte’s mom Why are you guys whining about Dallas getting Doncic? They won less games than the Knicks, so they have developed way less of a winning culture! Welp, a small amount more tanking could’ve landed us Luka. I will NEVER forget Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, and Michael Beasley’s contributions though. Spurs 1999 championship ring, more salt on Knicks fans wounds… VERY FUNNY TOMMY BEER TWEET so porter could possibly be there… seems like his agent was passing out more medical reports to teams today… he might be dropping… Lol Chauncey compares jjj to Noah! What a joke I hate Mark Cuban. Well, it’s going to be Knox… I’m so not excited about this. Let’s be hopeful he becomes something. I will NEVER forget Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, and Michael Beasley’s contributions though. They can never take December 2017 away from us and the pick of him over spree!! I heard that in this Dallas / Atl deal, we actually got Rolando Blackman again? Plus Pat Cummings Jaren Jackson’s mom has some Michelle Obama vibes. so if porter goes to the bulls … that leaves carter as a good possibility… one can hope…. wtf. is that a shit with shorts? that’s a bad pick by ATL Chauncey compares jjj to Noah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VlJBcG4-7M never forget so if porter goes to the bulls … that leaves carter as a good possibility… one can hope…. Wendell Carter over Kevin “Good Workout” Knox? Crazy talk! Never thought we would get Doncic. I just think we COULD of had Doncic if we hadn’t done a number of stupid things last year. Young could be the best offensive player in the draft, but damn, there are protections on the pick!? I wonder how Atlanta fans will feel in 2024 when Doncic is shortlisted for MVP– Bamba to Orlando Okay, well everybody I wanted has been picked. I have the Wee-Bey clip all cued up… Oh, Cock is totally right on the Michelle Obama compare. I just don’t want to hear anymore of that talk about winning 5 more games in a lost season doesn’t matter. I guess Knox + winning culture > Doncic right? Man. Bambo and Biyambo. what do they do? Oh new thread. So I once again want to thank Lee, Jack. Beasley and oquinn for those character building November wins. Shoot me Judging by his voice, I’m pretty sure that Trae Young has personally told me that he’s personally banged my mom via XBox Live. and the dream is dead…. get ready for the inevitable…. Welp all my miracles are gone post Chicago well… porter is going to be there i think…. hm… cavs aren’t gonna take him are they? Bamba’s face was like “well, at least if I become a superstar I can continue the Magic’s proud tradition of losing star big men”. So who’s available in the 2019 draft I think Atlanta is dumb for not taking Donic, but Trae Young is super skilled. At least they didn’t trade him for Bagley Pray for the surprise SGA pick As usual in every draft wouldv’e been nice if the Knicks drafted a couple of spots higher. This is just sad.. Yeah, but for real, this is pretty much going according to consensus so far. #7? much harder call. Carter Jr.? Mo Bamba seems like a great kid. Seems like a solid group this year. Atlanta really should have just taken Doncic. The Dallas pick will probably not even be that good! I wanted JR – no not him one of the “Jrs” so I still got a bit of hope. Carter to Chicago, who is Cleveland taking? Maybe Cleveland takes Sexton? I’ll never buy from Footlocker, ever again! Atlanta trying to duplicate Danny Ainge’s trade down heist last year. Unfortunately, it’s gonna totally backfire on them when Doncic becomes a star. At least I still have my Yankees, feel sorry for the Knicks fans who are also Mets fans lol. Good pick for the Bulls. Why is Wendell wearing what he is wearing? And why is he not a Knick. So one of Porter or Mikal Bridges will be available when we pick. I’d go with either of them over Knox or Sexton. Knox or MPJ is in our future… get ready. Wow, are we taking Porter or passing on him for Knox? Can’t believe the Nets are just buying Howard out. Does Cleveland go for Porter Jr.? I think the best plan now is……finish getting drunk??? You know things are weird when Woj isn’t even getting picks too far ahead. the carter pick really bothers me ugh… so close… Back injuries get better with time right? Sexton at 8 Sexton to the Cavs according to Woj. OK I’m signing off until the pick. Does Cleveland go for Porter Jr? Woj says that the recent medical reports were baaaad. oh man porter is there…. cavs taking sexton…. i’m onboard with it… let’s go! just no knox please! Orlando does not need a C, but rather a PG. I smell a trade. Okay, so we have the choices of Michael Porter, Mikal Bridges, or something dumb. If you want the high-variance, high-risk pick, go with Porter. If you want the low-risk, high-floor pick, go with Bridges. If you have your head up your ass, pick Knox. Wow, Woj says Sexton for Cleveland. @102 His father is wearing the same thing… I dunno, he’s Dominican, maybe it’s something from there? I read Porter’s got a degenerative condition which is why he dropped. Cavs taking Sexton. A drink is actually a really good idea. I can feel the blow coming. Porter would be a massive dice roll, but maybe that’s kind of what we need at this point. Porter must be damaged goods. I read Porter’s got a degenerative condition which is why he dropped. His agents say that it is not that bad, but yeah, sure sounds awful. I read Porter’s got a degenerative condition which is why he dropped. Can we can get an immediate medical exception with the draft ? That med report must be real bad!! Welcome mpjr to the knicks interesting Sexton seems like a good kid. Well, if Porter’s medical reports are that bad, then yeah it should be a hard pass. Can’t afford to come up with a complete zero here. Go with Mikal. He’ll be a decent rotation player. Man, that shot of Carter’s parents was awesome. it’s not one drink Owen. we are going to have to get fucked up, just to survive. If there ever was a time for the Knicks to trade DOWN, it is now. Hey, we forgot about Lonnie Walker! There’s always a Knicksier scenario than the Knicksy one you have already envisioned #DolansRazor so far it’s an impressive group of well spoken, grounded young men. Damn Knicks Knox! My girlfriend has a degenerative disc, but she’s in her 30s. I don’t think it will affect MPJ until late in his career unless he starts playing football too. They probably should just trade down if they don’t want Mikal. Knox it is. sigh Man, I like Mikal. Sad. Knox to the Knicks FUCK Hope Knox works out! Knicks swing for the fences…with a whiffle ball bat. TKDFUTDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rTIkohJ0Q I love how Kevin Knox is listed as the 7th best player available at this point This pick eats ass. This franchise eats ass. The only thing good about them is this site, which I can use to ridicule them mercilessly. We suck forever. Love you guys though. I’m pissed at Knox, but really, who the fuck knows how good any of these guys are gonna be? There will probably be 3 or 4 busts picked ahead of us. Given what I’ve heard about his defense, I don’t think “Fort” Knox will be his nickname. The Knicks are all about picking hard nosed defenders. Wait, my eyes hurt from straining. “At least it wasn’t Lonnie Walker” is this year’s version of “At least Phil didn’t trade any first round picks” Knicks kid hates the pick It’s so funny how Mills and Perry constantly say one thing and do another, and then we still get, “You got to like what they are saying.” we’ve been strugging on this site for years, and it turns out is all we need is that asshole to do a thumbs down and everything is OK Hahahahaha well sorry to those of you who aren’t Yankee fans Well, hopefully we will all be wrong about this. Fucking morons. Well, that’s all you need to know about the new GM I was on the other thread wondering where everyone was, begging to pick Porter… Damn. Seriously, though, Knox at least has a lot of natural talent. Sometimes shitty college guys with a lot of athleticism put it all together. Let’s hope that this is one of those times. The Knicks could’ve picked LiAngelo Ball there and this announce crew would still laud the pick. Porter Jr has to have a back issue like DeJuan Blair if this is really happening. Kevin Knox to the Knicks? I’m okay with it. I hope Dr Colker’s got something strong in his “toolbox” because KP’s gonna have to rebound. so depressing that we went through year number 5 of being horrible including KP ACL and we end up with Kevin Knox the we want porter chant is motivation. that’s good. what’s he going to do when they chant, we want lance thomas?? Welcome to the Knicks a poor man’s cleonthony Ah well, so much for that. I guess it could’ve been worse, it could’ve been Lonnie. Knox says he can “do pretty much everything”?? i might become a sixers fan. at least i can punch a police horse, or climb a light pole I just heard that it was Clarence Gaines that convinced management that Knox was one of the steals of draft. (That’s my story and I’m sticking with it) Fuck this shit. Another lost fucking year to draft the 15th guy projected to be drafted at 9th. If Porter is indeed healthy this will hurt even more. Damn I hope I’m totally wrong but I hate this so much. What a stupid damn franchise. ‘do everything’… wtf… ugh… i’m nauseous… @172 And if so, Phil Jackson directed him to do it. His revenge! 🙂 Fuck me. And the hits just keep on coming…. This team blows. Hey Knickerblogger…yes, we get it. You’re not going to be happy with Knox. But please stop the “LOLKnicks” at least till he plays half a season. Time to get behind him. He’s 18 years old and has the physical tools to be a great player. He comes from the best college program in the country as far as recruiting top tier talent goes. And again…he’s 18 years old. We want upside. We want swinging for the fences. And we supposedly trust the scouts in our organization. So if all of that is true, then please give this kid a chance. so…I guess I’ll just switch to my son’s favorite team now. I can’t imagine this level of fandom heartache being healthy for me. Whatever the medicals, Porter won’t get past the Clips. Giftwrapped Mikail to the 76ers. Seriously, fuck the Knicks Just a reminder everyone here was wrong about Tatum last year. Good for Mikal, dodged a bullet I really can’t say I hate the Kevin Knox selection. I think he’s got all the tools and that he was in a unique position playing for a coach as shitty as John Calipari. It feels like Kevin Knox was the unanimous selection in the organization, and I think the Knicks with Fizdale are going to give him the time and space to develop into a productive pro. Who does Knox compare to statistically? It can’t be a strong group. Bridges seems like a perfect pick. I like Gary Clark in the second round I was definitely wrong about Tatum Well, maybe we hit a home run on our 2nd rounder… @177 In all seriousness, good point. I’ll root for Knox. And as I said a few days ago, this might mean that these guys actually plan to do a patient 3-5 year rebuild. Frank and Knox are very young! But Knox has a LONG way to go to be good at “everything” like he thinks he is. Now, let’s continue by dumping the vets and playing all the kids. No more Beasley, etc. etc. Mikal Bridges went to the perfect situation for him and I bet he’s still a bag of meh. He is not a lockdown defender and his jumper is funny, plus Philly’s medical staff is gonna break his arm and he’ll never be the same again. @177 @181 Thanks…it’s refreshing to finally read some smart words in an ocean of silliness… barnes… jeff green… julius randle… trey lyles… those are the optimistic outcomes… Like everyone else not a fan of the pick but I do think there’s enough uncertainty that we have a good chance of being wrong. We picked probably the 15th best prospect instead of the 9th best but ultimately that’s not that big of a gap at this point in the draft. That’s what I’ll keep telling myself anyway. At least Power season premiere is in 10 days. I’m sorry boy’s but this is a good pick…Mikal may have been a safer choice but Porter Jr’s back scares me and considering the remaining options we really had no other choice Hey Knickerblogger…yes, we get it. You’re not going to be happy with Knox. But please stop the “LOLKnicks” at least till he plays half a season. Time to get behind him. He’s 18 years old and has the physical tools to be a great player. He comes from the best college program in the country as far as recruiting top tier talent goes. And again…he’s 18 years old. We want upside. We want swinging for the fences. And we supposedly trust the scouts in our organization. So if all of that is true, then please give this kid a chance. I should probably go ahead and apologize for my tone in advance, but… Do you understand the concept of a decision being fucking terrible at the time it was made based on all of the available information? I know, I know. The Knicks front office has the secret information that actually makes this pick, and all of their other god awful moves, genius. That’s why we’ve been a powerhouse forever—the unbridled wisdom of our decision makers. Swift, the only good thing I can say about Knox is he took my mind off of how much I hate Emanual Mudiay. Wait..did we REALLY pass up Porter for Knox? Must be some serious red flags with his medical records. Either that or we have really gone all in with a pure rebuild. It’s gonna take Knox longer to develop than Porter. Or maybe the team sees more defense with Knox with enough potential on offense to make the pick worth it. I don’t hate the pick, but I was pretty sure Porter would be the pick once he fell that far. So it turns out that if had the #8 pick it wouldn’t have mattered, but if 7th pick maybe we take WCJ. I have purposely been quiet, just reading, for several months. I would have gone for Mikal Bridges or taken a risk with Porter. It’s obvious that very few here like this pick. I’ll wait and see but . I mean, I just don’t get it. It’s overwhelming. It’s like two year in a row we have to put our hopes into a guy who has nothing going for him but wingspan and youth. I ask you…does any other NBA team pick Knox in that spot? Saw someone say that apparently Knox destroyed Mikal Bridges in a group workout witnessed by the Knicks. SGA gets to pass to Frank the Tank!!! Owen…..this round is on you it’s not one drink Owen. we are going to have to get fucked up, just to survive. Co-sign. This team isn’t gonna do shit until Mills and Perry aren’t running it anymore. Enjoy the lulz tho Knox was not my 1st choice. But he’s one of the youngest players in the draft. You can’t know how much upside there is with a player this young or when he will put it all together and jump up. He may be making a jump right now. The Knicks are not the only team to suggest he looked great in recent workouts. The one thing the Knicks have been good at is drafting. Before we all get depressed, let’s give the kid a chance. We have no choice but to put our faith in the hands of scouts that have done a very good job in recent years. Maybe they got this one right too. We’ll see more in summer league. Yeah I’ll tell all my Laker fanboy friends that “at least the Knicks didn’t pick Lonnie Walker” You cannot make this shit up. The Curse of James Dolan is a Real Thing, I’m quite certain of it now. Saw someone say that apparently Knox destroyed Mikal Bridges in a group workout witnessed by the Knicks. I believe it was Miles, but it could have been both. I don’t know how much weight to put on something like that, but if we drafted Mikal or Miles and then heard that Knox crushed them in workouts, it wouldn’t make me more confident. It means something. there’s going to be a trail of starters picked right after knox… and i hope this means perry gets fired within two years…. this doesn’t bode well for the rebuild….. i have zero confidence in them being able to evaluate talent… At least KP won’t be around next year to help us win meaningless games in November. But he’ll probably come back too soon and help us win meaningless games in March, playing like Nowitzki and Kareem’s love child for his usual 15 games Well, maybe we hit a home run on our 2nd rounder… And then we’ll trade him for a couple future second round picks…. I’ll root it the kid cause he’s wearing the orange & blue but Perry is not the answer. “Give the kid a chance” doesn’t really mean anything given that none of us, no matter how positive or negative has the slightest bearing on the trajectory of his career. Discussing the merits of the pick is the only thing that makes sense. If you’re not interested in having any discussions about it until you’ve seen him play 6 months or a year in the NBA, this probably isn’t the thread for you. man SGA to the clips… god… someone get jerry west over here… one more beer. then i’m going to go measure my wing span @ 196 – dude, its not secret information. Its pretty wide spread that Knox was killing ALL of his workouts and he supposedly killed Miles Bridges in one on one at hte Knicks workout. I’ve read all the arguments against workouts as being an indicator but also, isn’t that what scouts are for? If it was as easy as just picking the players with the best stats, then everyone would do it. The real goal of drafting, if you aren’t picking number one when there’s a consensus top two or three, is to find that pick that others are overlooking bc you believe that player has potential that others don’t see. Otherwise, why even have scouts or even the draft? And all I’m saying is that he’s 18, has the tools to be a monster, and went to the top school in the country as far as recruiting goes. UK consistently gets the top talent in the country. And yes, I’m a UK fan but you know what…coach Cal is a great recruiter and kind of a crap coach. Plus Knox played out of position AND again..HE IS ONE OF THE YOUNGEST PLAYERS IN THE DRAFT. So yeah, go ahead and call me a homer or whatever…but you can’t talk about how good our scouts are and then turn around and say “LOLKNICKS THEY FUCKED THIS UP.” And if Knox does turn out good are you really going to say “but the available evidence at the time…” The job of scouts and GM is to find the UNAVAILABLE EVIDENCE! Knicks are rebuilding. Knicks need a home run to make up for not having a lot of picks recently. Knicks aren’t competing this year and probably not the next one either. Would I feel safer with Bridges? Of course. But I also like the idea of taking a gamble. No risk, no reward. And you were all wrong about Tatum so what do you know? 🙂 What annoys me is that it seems nobody would have picked Knox in the same position, just the Knicks. This is not a good sign. Even Jay Bilas had him as 15th… But he’ll probably come back too soon and help us win meaningless games in March, playing like Nowitzki and Kareem’s love child for his usual 15 games You just made me laugh so hard beer came out of my nose. 🙂 Man- Porter’s back must be really bad Guys, guys, guys: it’s not fair to judge a player until he’s been cut or traded by multiple teams, done a stint in a weak foreign league, and played for the Westchester Knicks, which may be a better organization than their parent company. This guy is young. No reason to look at his body of work and call him a total reach at #9 when there were several excellent prospects on the board. Sure, his stats sucked. But as we all know, box score stats are meaningless. His birth certificate tells you all you need to know about his upside. Every player picked after Knox is better than Knox I can’t wait for the years to come of swiftandabundant rubbing this in our faces as Knox turns into a perennial all star and franchise cornerstone…. KP was a stupid pick at the time. We had more available evidence on Winslow, etc…but we picked KP bc of his physical tools and the potential they showed. His euro stats were not that impressive either. Also, this whole thing about “but there has never been a freshman with his stats who has succeeded in the NBA” ignores one thing. There was a period when there were players like Lebro, KG, Kobe, etc…who did not even go to college but straight to the pros. None of those players (the good ones or the busts) are taken into consideration bc there are no stats from their college days to look at. Would Kobe have put up good numbers as a freshman? Or Lebron? Maybe but maybe not. So when you say “oh no one with Knox’s stats has succeeded) you’re ignoring close to a decade’s worth of players who went straight to the pros. Grades: Kings: F- Hawks F+ Mavs A+ Knicks ???? I was totally fine with Tatum last year, by the way. So I’m sick of that shit. “You all hated Tatum.” We did not. LP was also okay with him. Drawing a complete blank on Jerome Robinson. Tells you I am past my prime. It’s funny watching people try and spin the Knox pick as a good thing. Knicks continue to do the dumbest thing imaginable. We should move Knox now, and get more picks. We should challenge teams to skip the games and send their champions to challenge Kevin Knox in one on one workouts. Rumor has it we’re trading our 2nd rounder and next year’s unprotected #1 for the draft rights to Lonnie Walker… Well, I guess those reports about Porter missing his big workout day with back spasms may have been true. Back spasms so bad he couldn’t get out of bed! Guys you all need to get behind Ron Baker as a future superstar. I know he’s never averaged more than like 4ppg, but that’s outweighed by the blind faith I have in him. Past performance means nothing! Trust in management! KP was a stupid pick at the time. We had more available evidence on Winslow, etc…but we picked KP bc of his physical tools and the potential they showed. His euro stats were not that impressive either. KP was the consensus fourth pick. You can’t just make up some bullshit narrative after the fact. Give the kid a chance” doesn’t really mean anything given that none of us, no matter how positive or negative has the slightest bearing on the trajectory of his career. It’s my view that the ultimate results are random enough that these discussions get overly passionate and confident. It’s almost a mortal lock there will be busts selected above us and all stars selected below us that none of us has any clue about right now. There’s a reason we selected him over the Bridges and other players with better current stats. I can assure you Fisdale knows what the stats say even if Mills and Perry don’t. From what I gather, Fisdale likes him a LOT. Is it so much to ask that we wait to see what these guys saw in him before we write him off as a guaranteed mistake. Fisdale IS a SMART guy and we do have good scouts. I was totally fine with Tatum last year, by the way. So I’m sick of that shit. “You all hated Tatum.” We did not. LP was also okay with him. True. I think most people were comparing him to a shittier version of Melo. Yeah, I went back and looked at a consensus of the major draft sites before the Porzingis draft and he was the 4th ranked prospect. I would have taken Winslow, but lots of people wanted Porzingis. If Knox tears it up in Summer League, how will you feel? one more beer. then i’m going to go measure my wing span Lol The one actual advantage of Knox is that he’s so raw that he will really help the tank next year. Mikal would have contributed wins. @237 About the same(concerned but optimistic) since SL has proven to mean nothing. This guy is young. No reason to look at his body of work and call him a total reach at #9 when there were several excellent prospects on the board. Sure, his stats sucked. But as we all know, box score stats are meaningless. His birth certificate tells you all you need to know about his upside. Hey, stop talking about Frank Ntilikina that way!! Well Knicks still have a pretty high 2nd rd pick, hopefully they grab a decent player there. What if this is a long con to get RJ Barett next year. True. I think most people were comparing him to a shittier version of Melo. The biggest thing was that he was clearly never falling out of the top five, so the Knicks never had a shot at him. If he was in their range, I assure you that people here would have talked themselves into him easily. Who is Jerome Robinson? So-so about Knox. Would have liked Porter, but that medical must have been real bad for him to drop so far. I think I had just resigned myself to a Bridges, but willing to get behind the kid. Seems like a big backflip when Mills and Perry were preaching defence and then take Knox. My only hope is he plays well enough to make the goons they interviewed in the crowd look like total arseholes ha ha If Knox tears it up in Summer League, how will you feel? Cautiously optimistic I’m not bullish on Ntilikina. The only thing I can say is that there’s no way his offense gets any worse than it was last year. Porter looks like a guy who will either make an All-NBA team or play 40 games before medical retirement, but no middle ground at all. Jokic might have just had his career saved with the #14 pick. Who is Jerome Robinson? Lol did we already start the second round. Draft Isaac Bonga for insurance when Kevin Knox goes boom my wing span came back at just under a foot. am i doing this wrong? Jokic and Porter Jr will be the worst defensive front court in the history of the NBA. They might be HoF in the front court, but they’ll give up 120 a night. I’m not bullish on Ntilikina. The only thing I can say is that there’s no way his offense gets any worse than it was last year. My post was actually a shot at those who are criticizing the Knox pick now but loved the Frank pick last year when, in my opinion, they are exactly the same. And I mean exactly. Drink more alcohol then measure it again. For the draft I basically focus on guys who people think might be available when the Knicks pick and I legit don’t think I’ve ever heard of Jerome Robinson. I’d like to see the Knicks double down on Anfernee Simons in the 2nd round. So yeah, go ahead and call me a homer or whatever…but you can’t talk about how good our scouts are and then turn around and say “LOLKNICKS THEY FUCKED THIS UP.” I don’t recall talking about how good our scouts are. The narrative that says “The Knicks are good at the draft doe” seems, uh, kind of wrong? This team has made one good pick in what, like 10 years? In the last ten drafts we’ve selected Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Jerian Grant, Dameyan Dotson, Ongjen Jaramaz, Kristaps Porzingis, Willy Hernangomez, Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Tim Hardaway, Kostas Papanikolau, Iman Shumpert, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields and Jordan Hill. That’s ten seasons worth of draft picks right there. The Knicks are “good at the draft” because why? Because I see Kristaps Porzingis, Tim Hardaway Jr and a bunch of guys who pretty much suck. I guess Ntilikina might make it and maybe Hernangomez plays well for somebody else. But that list does not make me go “wow, look at all the good players the Knicks drafted.” it would be funny if Chauncey’s player comparisons had to do with guys you would amnesty Knox is young, has a good frame, and is a good/smooth athlete for a 4. Otherwise, he has literally no above-average NBA skills. He’s not a good shooter, finisher, passer, or defender, although his stroke looks good. The hope is that he’s a decent/good shooter and plays as a stretch 4 next to KP. Knicks Film School ? @KnickFilmSchool 2m2 minutes ago More The Knicks went ALL in on that group workout. I do worry a little bit about how much weight you place on one workout. That said, this front office has proven they do their homework, so I hope the workout was more the icing on the cake. @257 TBF most of those guys were second rounders and non lottery picks. Going back further when we drafted solid guys like Ariza, Lee,Chandler, Gallo and Frye. Perry and Mills probably based their entire opinion on those workouts and never once looked at any analytical profiles of the prospects. oh look a guy who’s just as young as knox but had a way better year …. and they already had beal and porter…. crazy that the wiz are thinking more open minded than the knicks now… So far Perry and Mills’ main moves have been: Melo trade (good job, I guess!) Hardaway signing (fuck you!) Ron Baker player option contract (eat a dick!) Willy Hernangomez trade (make that a sharp, pointy dick!) Emmanuel Mudiay trade (seriously, go fuck yourself!) Kevin Knox pick (okay, now you’re just trolling me!) These guys are buffoons, so it’s no surprise they went “all-in” on Kevin Knox’s apparently God-like workout. Their track record is… well, it’s Knicksy. I didn’t like the Ntilikina pick because it had too much bust potential, but I could imagine him being good and it working out. I thought it was a long shot but it wasn’t a complete disaster. I cannot imagine a world in which Knox is a good NBA player. I wouldn’t have drafted him in the 1st round at all. Knox’s steal and block numbers are similar to McDermott’s, and at least McDermott was a dominant offensive player. 76ers trading Bridges to Phoenix for Zhaire Smith and the Heat’s 2021 1st rd pick. Zhaire for Bridges. That’s pretty intriguing Yeah, we’re probably stuck with another incompetent front office. We really won’t know the results for about two more years though. Going back further when we drafted solid guys like Ariza, Lee,Chandler, Gallo and Frye. Okay, but that is OVER TEN YEARS AGO. Why are we giving this front office credit for being good at finding guys in the draft ten years ago? Everyone needs to stop with the Knox is a good athlete thing. He can jump high but it’s like he’s moving in mud. No quickness. @ShamsCharania Sources: Suns have traded Zhaire Smith and 2021 Miami first-rounder to 76ers for Mikal Bridges. oh wow… mikal bridges to the suns for zhaire smith and the sixers get the 2021 miami pick…. My post was actually a shot at those who are criticizing the Knox pick now but loved the Frank pick last year when, in my opinion, they are exactly the same. And I mean exactly. I’m still fine with the Frank pick given where it was made in the draft. Knox was not my first choice, but I get it. It’s not that age is the only factor, but it DEFINITELY IS a factor in probable improvement. The gap in stats between Mikal Bridges and Knox is clear, but the age difference is very significant. It’s not crazy to think in 2-3 years Knox is going to be better than Bridges is now and ultimately have the better career. It’s probably better than 50-50. It could happen sooner than that. So we picked Knox? Fucking moronic. Well Knox is definitely a better athlete than I am at least. Granted I’m 38 yo listed at 5’11 205 lb. So far Perry and Mills’ main moves have been: Melo trade (good job, I guess!) Hardaway signing (fuck you!) Ron Baker player option contract (eat a dick!) Willy Hernangomez trade (make that a sharp, pointy dick!) Emmanuel Mudiay trade (seriously, go fuck yourself!) Kevin Knox pick (okay, now you’re just trolling me!) These guys are buffoons, so it’s no surprise they went “all-in” on Kevin Knox’s apparently God-like workout. Their track record is… well, it’s Knicksy. Bring back Phil! I think Knox would be pretty good in the triangle. (you left out Burke. that was a pretty good move) ***JINX ALERT*** Ah well..at least we didn’t pick Walker…. Okay, but that is OVER TEN YEARS AGO. Why are we giving this front office credit for being good at finding guys in the draft ten years ago? I don’t trust this FO much at all. Just saying our scouts have historically done pretty well considering our lack of lottery picks over the years. So does Dallas picking Doncic tell us that they have no confidence in Dennis Smith Jr as their future PG? Because I would love to see how they’re going to share the ball between the both of them. Ben R, McDermott was a 22.5 yo senior at Creighton, while Knox hasn’t even turned 19 yet. There was absolutely no information from Ntilikina’s stint with Strasbourg that suggested that he was anything but a hope and pray project with long arms. His stats in France sucked and he didn’t even come in for a workout. Knox may indeed have bust potential, but not any more than Ntilikina did. …or it could be worse..we could have pulled a Philly lol smh… @IanBegley 14m14 minutes ago More Knicks president Steve Mills said the club debated its pick in the days and weeks leading up to the draft but grew comfortable with selecting Kevin Knox at No. 9 on Wednesday night. I thought this was a pretty interesting way to look at prospects. At least Knox isn’t as bad as Lonnie Walker I guess. http://counting-the-baskets.typepad.com/my-blog/2018/06/a-new-benchmark-system.html Walker really dropped. The French League >>>> the NCAA. I know its convenient to repeat a false equivalency but let’s at least be careful if we’re going to use this draft to shit on last year’s draft. And even then Ntilikina’s metrics held up well in a league where he was by far the youngest player. @NYPost_Berman 15m15 minutes ago More Steve Mills said his workout showed Knox had improved from end of season and was impressed he agreed to group one. (Mikal was solo). “We had a lot of healthy debates the last couple of days. By last night we had figured out exactly what we wanted to do.’’ Walker to the Spurs, what’s going on in San Antonio?? Knicks president Steve Mills said the club debated its pick in the days and weeks leading up to the draft but grew comfortable with selecting Kevin Knox at No. 9 on Wednesday night. I really hope Clarence Gaines wasn’t on the side that argued against the pick. Drafting Ron Baker = eat a dick? IDK. I’d kinda rather watch Ron Baker run around and chase people. Porter would have been much better drama. We’re used to the knicks losing. And if turns out okay, ka-ching. Spurs taking KL’s replacement? Knox was obviously picked by the MSG market dept. Imagine all the possibilities (knox-knicks). I think Lonnie Walker to the Spurs should dissuade the Knox hate for awhile. Lonnie Walker would talk with Larranaga about “why jaguars can capture ostriches.” I may not know much about drafting but I am pretty sure a jaguar has never caught an ostrich. Drafting Ron Baker = eat a dick? No, giving Ron Baker a player option contract = eat a dick Anyways, I am going to give Knox a chance. He reminds me of a Malik Monk tweener type who can shoot but can’t do much else but I will root for him to show me wrong. is it too complex an idea that people might think a pick is a really bad idea but hope to be wrong? should there be 300 posts saying “there goes another dot on the high variance distribution, good luck to him!” Giving him a no-trade clause as well is eating an entire bag of dicks. I think it’s a bad pick but hope I’m wrong. Meanwhile, the SPURS took Lonnie Walker, which makes me think we should have just taken him. It’s not crazy to think that Knox might be a better player than Bridges, it’s crazy to expect he will be. Just trade down if you want to take a shot on a 19 year old with medicore stats. The second half of the first round is more Interesting than the first round Frank was an iffy pick but at least he can defend. He was advertised as a plus defender, and he played like it. Now, that might not make him worthy of the #9 pick, but I didn’t mind the pick, because I’m so sick and tired of watching horrendous defensive Knick teams. Frank ain’t no point guard though… I’ll be amazed if he is ever a successful lead guard in the NBA. The French League >>>> the NCAA. I know its convenient to repeat a false equivalency but let’s at least be careful if we’re going to use this draft to shit on last year’s draft. And even then Ntilikina’s metrics held up well in a league where he was by far the youngest player. Typical sugarcoated BS from you. But tell you what, let’s see if Knox is as bad as a rookie as Frank was. He’d have to be a limbo expert to slide under that bar. Then you can stick your false equivalency where it belongs. I have to say, just by “eye test”, Lonnie looks pretty springy and like a fine, young man. Maybe our guys do know something. now I’m rooting for Melton to fall to 36. I have silly drama of him being the new Alvin Robertson. And that idiot in SA’s front office just wasted a pick on consensus KB bust candidate, Lonnie Walker. Wonder what stats they used to pick him… Zhaire Smith is a perfect fit for the Sixers. Let Simmons and Embiid carry the offense and put an efficient, low-volume, athletic wing to set screens, make cuts and run the floor. The guy will never be an NBA PG but man, he’s going to get a lot of dunks from Simmons. I stopped watching the draft after the second after the commish said Kevin Knox. Should have turned it off once they showed that fucking kid who boos again. Please forgive me, but isn’t there a bit of a difference between picking a guy at, say 18 than there is at picking him at 9? Just asking. For example, I think Knox would be a fine pick at 18… And that idiot in SA’s front office just wasted a pick on consensus KB bust candidate, Lonnie Walker. Wonder what stats they used to pick him… Lol true. I don’t like the Knox pick but if the Spurs chose this guy then I’m willing to give him a chance. That 2021 Miami pick Phoenix gave up for Bridges is unprotected. To me this is a damn shame. Who knows what Miami will be in 2021 but right now it doesn’t look too promising. And that might end up being the first draft without one and done so it might have a double class. If we didn’t want Bridges that was our trade to make. Cool John Starks commercial. is it too complex an idea that people might think a pick is a really bad idea but hope to be wrong? should there be 300 posts saying “there goes another dot on the high variance distribution, good luck to him!” There’s nothing with thinking it was a bad idea. I don’t particularly like the selection. However, there is something wrong with assuming that stats in a snapshot in time for a 18 year old that played on a top team against elite competition should give you a lot of confidence in your opinion when he was selected 9th (as opposed to the top 5). I mean what were the other serious options at #9? Mikal Bridges was my top choice, but he’s 3 years older. Miles Bridges? Porter and his back? Does anyone think it’s a mortal lock that in 3 years Knox won’t be better than Bridges is now? I’d say it probably close to or better than 50-50 Knox is better at 21 than Bridges will be as a 21 year old rookie. That 2021 Miami pick Phoenix gave up for Bridges is unprotected. To me this is a damn shame. Who knows what Miami will be in 2021 but right now it doesn’t look too promising. And that might end up being the first draft without one and done so it might have a double class. If we didn’t want Bridges that was our trade to make. +1 Hey, at least we are not trading 1sts, right? Has anyone pointed out yet how similar Knox’s college numbers are eerily similar to THJ? Maybe we should send him to Atlanta to learn how to play defense… @311 And the Sixers still ended up with Zhaire Smith who is probably at least the same level of prospect Knox is… Knox himself might have been available at that position. Why can’t our front office make one single move we as a collective think “oh that’s smart”? I can’t understand why the Suns would do it for Bridges unless they think Josh Jackson can be a 4, which I don’t think is a great idea honestly. Has anyone pointed out yet how similar Knox’s college numbers are eerily similar to THJ? He’s basically a taller THJ, I have thought that already. Pointzz guy who doesn’t stuff a boxscore. @306 Are you confident the Spurs would draft Lonnie Walker in the 9th? I’m definitely not. I would be overjoyed with Knox at the 17th pick. Typical sugarcoated BS from you. But tell you what, let’s see if Knox is as bad as a rookie as Frank was. He’d have to be a limbo expert to slide under that bar. Then you can stick your false equivalency where it belongs. I have zero idea why you’re such a belligerent, angry man. Regardless, its clear you don’t really have much substance to add to the issue about Frank beyond picking fights, and even when someone pokes holes into your shallow comparison you have little to add beyond prevaricating on the issue with a childish insult. You started as a discussion about why some people were low on Frank vs. Knox only to move the goalposts to a future comparison of their rookie seasons. I suppose this will be the closest you’ll ever come to conceding the ridiculousness of the original comparison you made. Either way, unlike you I’ll be more than happy to be proven wrong about my projection…though I doubt it. walker at 9 is vastly different than walker at 18…. in terms of upside and the available names that were left you can afford to roll the dice and hope that your development team can help him realize his potential…. i don’t think it was a great pick…. but if there’s any team can turn it into a good pick it’s the spurs… Freshman year: Knox/Hardaway Jr. TS% .556 / .557 USG% 24.6 / 25.5 TRB% 9.3 / 7.6 AST% 8.7 / 12.1 TOV% 14.1 / 9.4 STL% 1.5 / 2.0 I am not liking these new Woj tweets where he gives himself room to be wrong if the team goes a different direction at the last minute. The guys at Draft Express liked Knox, Walker, Williams and Huerter. Now that Spurs have taken Walker my confidence in Knox is a bit higher. Please forgive me, but isn’t there a bit of a difference between picking a guy at, say 18 than there is at picking him at 9? Just asking. For example, I think Knox would be a fine pick at 18… I essentially agree, but at the end of the day, you either got it right or got it wrong. You feel worse if you got it wrong at #9 than #18 but if you get it right, it doesn’t matter much. Bottom line is that Knox was not projected to go outside the lottery in any recent evaluation. We may have reached 3-4 pick for him, but none of the guys taken in that range were surely better choices, just safer ones. It’s an upside pick on one of the youngest players in the draft with reasonably good size, skill and athleticism for his projected position. Either he’ll develop or he won’t. I wouldn’t have picked him, but no one else really jumped off the page, except maybe Walker, another upside pick. Knicks Drafting Criteria in order: 1. Are they young? 2. Are they long? . . . ??. Are they good at basketball? It makes total sense to draft a replacement of THJ when he still has 3 years left on his untradeable, horrendous contract. It’s pretty trollsy to suggest that a smart team picking Walker at 18 means he would’ve been a good pick at 9. How has no one taken Robert Williams yet? Brian those tweets are mean to be a wink/middle finger to the NBA request not to tweet picks in advance @32 That turnover to assist ratio scares me. Is Dzanan Musa dropping to the 2nd round? We should really pick him up if so As someone said earlier, the Knicks could have a great draft pick next year. Kanter, Knox, Timmy, and Mudiay could be the makings of a real bad defense. Heavy tank time. It’s prett trollsy to suggest that a smart team picking Walker at 18 means he would’ve been a good pick at 9. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that. The Spurs choosing a guy who isn’t efficient, has poor shot selection and doesn’t do much else but score is a pretty baffling pick. Kanter, Knox, Timmy, and Mudiay could be the makings of a real bad defense. Heavy tank time. Knicks playing the long con Man there are a lot of nice players left. freaking warriors and Celtics are going to get some really good picks. Wonder if there’s any chance deanthony Melton or Melvin Frazier last for us— that would be pretty awesome. "They booed Porzingis and look where he's at now … They can chant 'Michael Porter' all they want, they got Kevin Knox"The next Knick isn't worried about the fan reaction in Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/6fAel7U2dE— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) June 22, 2018 there’s a lot of good names left…. second rd should have decent names available… but we are gonna ignore all of them for the guys who was in knox’s workout…. Who here still thinks that Perry & Mills are architects who are capable of building a contender by outfoxing other GMs around the league? Is it too early to ask for Colangelo? Look you can’t have enough no rebounding wings who can’t pass. It is known Michael Porter Jr. says he’ll be the best draft pick in Nuggets’ history after he drops to the 14th pick. Does this seem the best way to kick off a relationship with your new teammate Jokic? Coach Calipari on Knox https://twitter.com/i/status/1009955411825516549 Brian those tweets are mean to be a wink/middle finger to the NBA request not to tweet picks in advance Ha! My apologies, Woj! I love you! Does this seem the best way to kick off a relationship with your new teammate Jokic? I can’t wait for Melo to chime in with his usual insecure tweet about how crazy Porter is to think he’s a better draft pick. I have zero idea why you’re such a belligerent, angry man. Regardless, its clear you don’t really have much substance to add to the issue about Frank beyond picking fights, and even when someone pokes holes into your shallow comparison you have little to add beyond prevaricating on the issue with a childish insult. You started as a discussion about why some people were low on Frank vs. Knox only to move the goalposts to a future comparison of their rookie seasons. I suppose this will be the closest you’ll ever come to conceding the ridiculousness of the original comparison you made. Either way, unlike you I’ll be more than happy to be proven wrong about my projection…though I doubt it. First off, I didn’t insult you, just your reasoning. Second, if you choose to live in a world where the Frank pick made more sense than Knox based on statistical evidence, go ahead. Funny how the article you cite confirms that Frank’s turnover% was higher than his assist% and even at a low usage where he was cherrypicking shots, he only had a ts% of 51%. But oh yeah, it’s the French league so we should inflate those shitty numbers and cast him as our future savior at PG. But that’s your MO: never criticize or accept any criticism of your golden boy and KB namesake. I’ll stand by my contention that there is absolutely no difference in the logic behind these two picks: Damn the stats! Youth, length and upside ahead! @342 Um, that was about Shai Gilgeous Alexander. So had we taken Mikal, we could’ve had Zhaire Smith, who would’ve been a fine pick at #9 anyway and is actually a high-risk/high-reward prospect as opposed to Knox who is a high-risk/low-reward prospect, and an UNPROTECTED 2021 first from Miami who will probably be bad soon. You just gotta love it! Williams to Boston omfg Williams to Boston omfg Fuck everything I hate the Knicks honestly. So many choices could’ve been made during this season and leading up to the draft that could’ve led to decent outcomes and yet we opt for the single worst possible option every. Single. Time. Boston just got a far superior prospect with the 27th pick! The 27th pick! There really are some interesting names left. 9 picks left. I’d be super happy with: Frazier Okobo Melton Jacob Evans KBD Mitchell robinson Khyri Thomas Bruce Brown Justin Jackson most of the time… being good is just letting everyone else be very stupid….. Melton/Musa pls thx Well there goes Evans To the Warriors no less. top names left after the first rd: musa frazier melton vanderbilt okogie musa and frazier could be real contributors…. and i had both ahead of knox…. so some potential to salvage something…. vanderbilt has some potential also…. @345 First off, I didn’t insult you, just your reasoning. Second, if you choose to live in a world where the Frank pick made more sense than Knox based on statistical evidence, go ahead. Funny how the article you cite confirms that Frank’s turnover% was higher than his assist% and even at a low usage where he was cherrypicking shots, he only had a ts% of 51%. But oh yeah, it’s the French league so we should inflate those shitty numbers and cast him as a future NBA PG. LOL. For one thing, there’s no reason for you to insult anything. Reasonable people can disagree about player evaluations without childish name-calling, but it’s apparent you fall into the other category. For another, it is YOU who is the one choosing what world he wishes to live in by moving moving the goalposts. Remember when you made this ridiculous statement earlier in the thread? There was absolutely no information from Ntilikina’s stint with Strasbourg that suggested that he was anything but a hope and pray project with long arms. Well, knowing better I posted the metrics which disproved this simplistic generalization. If you want to now pick apart his numbers as an 18 year in the French League with grown men, go ahead. No one is arguing that Frank wasn’t a project or was a perfect player. We all knew he was and remains a project, but we also knew he had done some good things playing in a man’s league. So, again, you miss the point. If I were a cynic I’d guess you were just making ridiculous points to pick fights over and doubling down with facile strawman arguments to settle scores. But someone would have to be awfully intellectually dishonest and very petty to do this so I will give you benefit of the doubt and just chalk it up to you getting carried away. Hate to use the eye test, but I just watched several videos showing Knox playing actual basketball and…this is a kid with potential to do what, exactly? Watching him out there reminds me of a 37-year old Chuck Person. If his stats suggested sneaky-good like Kyle Anderson you might say, OK – but seeing him play, I got nothing… I’m really looking forward to summer league and keeping my fingers crossed that Knox shows some promise. I really want this kid to work out for us. We need some hope around here. All this gnashing of teeth is wearisome… We really should buy a pick in the middle/end of the second and go for Vanderbilt/Pinson if they’re available Bad shot selection. Doesn’t play defense. Can’t rebound his position but that’s fine because he doesn’t have one. This is so stupid. So the 55 win Celtics got a better player at pick 27 than the 29 win Knicks did at pick 9. This is honestly so demoralizing. I don’t know how much longer I can emotionally invest in this shit. Every new Knicks’ front office makes you long for the one that preceded it. We’re not the only dumb team out there, far from it, but it seems like all of the other ones luck into a good team every once in a while. We have no chance at catching Philly or Boston within the next eight seasons or so and those are just teams in our own division. I’m more sad than angry at this point. #GleyberGood It seems to me that after Carter went at 7 there was little distinction between the 8th pick and the 30th pick. Boston and and Golden State are coming away from this draft with prospects that seems as likely to succeed as ours. Knox may well have been the best pick at 9. The problem was picking 9 in the first place. Two wins made this a complete waste of a season. Musa to BK damn I love the Kevin Knox pick for the Knicks. Great fit next to Kristaps Porzingis. Knicks fans will be cheering, not booing, once they actually watch him play in MSG.— Kevin O'Connor (@KevinOConnorNBA) June 22, 2018 Kevin O’Connor loved the pick….does that count for anything here? Musa to the Nets Another good move. IMO they are going to be a good team sooner than us despite all the damage Billy King made. they are going to be better than us next year… and this might have been the last year we don’t finish last in the atlantic for a long time…. So who do people want for our 2nd round pick? C’mon Melton, Melvin Frazier, Elie Okobo, Mitchell Robinson, Keita Bates-Diop. USC freshman guard De’Anthony Melton is the NCAA’s only player to average at least 5.0 assists, 8.0 rebounds, 2.5 steals and 1.5 blocks per 40 minutes. He ‘s the anti-Knox, hope he’s available at 36. Man djphan really doesn’t like Knox. What bothers me about this organization placing emphasis on individual workouts to the point that Knox shot up from a mid round to a top 10 pick on their board is that it tells us nothing about how a player fits into the team game. Those individual workouts are about looking for nuances and details that supplement the actual production. He could have cooked Mikal Bridges 1 on 1. Does that mean he will contribute more to our team in a 5 on 5 game? This is the same level of thinking that makes us overestimate Micheal Beasley and Emmanuel Mudiay. Elie Okobo is definitely going to Orlando, right before us of course. Because Knox was a horrible horrible horrible choice. Everyone who does draft analytics on Twitter is currently dragging us FWIW Knox was a 3-on-3 workout. Definitely better than a 1-0 workout but agree that putting such emphasis on workouts seems…not that smart. That said – the way Givony talked about Knox is worth noting — he said there are some guys who are ok on tape but when you see them outside their particular team setting in a workout, their talent becomes so obvious and that of course the player is going to go higher than previously expected. He really compared Knox’s workout to Paul George if I remember correctly. @356 so are you trying to say that you’re NOT a shill for Ntilikina? Sean Hannity isn’t as far up Trump’s behind as you are up Frank’s! Hey, that’s a great new name for you: Ntil’s Shill Begley saying the Knicks like Jalen Brunson. Not sure how I feel about that. I’d much rather draft a wing, or at least someone whose ceiling isn’t good backup PG. Jevon Carter to Memphis. Melton and Bonga still available. Not a huge fan of Brunson. What bothers me about this organization placing emphasis on individual workouts to the point that Knox shot up from a mid round to a top 10 pick on their board is that it tells us nothing about how a player fits into the team game. It was the group workout that they relied on. Hahn says Fiz was “giddy” after that workout. Mills says that Knox was a different player from the Kentucky Knox. I give front office some credit for doing a group workout. I’d like to watch some video of this now legendary workout; it might make me and whole lot of other people feel better. The first Summer League game can’t come around fast enough. I’m very interested in the Ntilikina/Dotson/Knox/2nd rounder line ups. Someone please take Jalen Brunson before us. yes! Dallas takes Brunson. Brunson to Dallas Dudes – one of Melton or Frazier will be there for us. Cmon Mills/Perry – do the right thing! This Knox workout shit is the off-season equivalent of LTs invaluable leadership in practices Or Kornet’s legendary scrimmages (and Willy’s apllegedly terrible scrimmages). Wow – I saw a lot of Melvin Frazier going teens and early 20s in the mocks. Wonder what he did. Elite athlete, improving shooter, 2.5 steals/40, great measurables. Frazier to Orlando Okay pls take Melton C’mon Melton!!! Ok! Melton is still available! Don’t panic! omg.. .i thought it was a 5on5 workout…. we based this lotto selection on the opinion of a guy who saw him for a grand total of two hours in a 3 on 3 workout…. that’s a process…. Dallas must be really high on DSJr. Frank would be perfect next to Doncic. Mitchell Robinson, not Deanthony Melton….. Mitchell Robinson? I can roll with that. Fuck this team honestly I’m down with Robinson. Maybe they read that 538 projection yesterday that had Knox as 7th best (8th cause no Doncic). And the DX guys were high on him? I dunno. I don’t love it but both Bridges seem like roleplayers and we need more than that. I wish we’d traded down, everyone left at 9 could have been picked 12 or 13 or wherever, they’re all close your eyes and hope. Dude Mitchell Robinson is seriously talented. I’d rather have Melton but Robinson is legit. Not sure about his head though. OK! Lol. Certainly can’t complain about his college production. Eh, I guess you can roll the dice in the second. Lol I actually love that pick. Hopefully we get something good with the two seconds we trade for him in the future. Edit: I would’ve preferred Melton, but the scouting reports and (admittedly limited) numbers on Robinson are really good. @356 so are you trying to say that you’re NOT a shill for Ntilikina? Sean Hannity isn’t as far up Trump’s behind as you are up Frank’s! How can I put this in diplomatic terms? Okay… I am saying that your comparison between Knox and Ntilikina is piss poor and hyperbolic regardless of whether Frank flames out and Knox becomes Kevin Durant. Yeah, Robinson has talent. He’s also a bit of a crapshoot, but eh, it’s #36. I hope this doesn’t impact Kornet’s bright future with this team. Kevin Pelton had Robinson as his 18th best prospect. I just wanted Deanthony Melton why can’t I get an optimal move once every 20 years or something Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5 i don’t have an opinion on robinson…. i kinda wanted vanderbilt or melton but they weren’t huge values…. and robinson is so much of an unknown it could be a reasonable gamble…. i did really like frazier…. but i doubt we even knew who he was… Sam Vecenie (who really follows high school and college players) said that as a high school senior he basically played Deandre Ayton to a standstill or maybe even got the better of him. He loves Mitchell Robinson. SI has as his comp = Tyson Chandler. Now let’s buy a pick and get Deanthony Melton. @374 and 377 Boy, I hope Knox had the greatest 3 on 3 workout of all time then. Though I dunno if Fizdale being giddy makes me feel better about Knox or worse about Fizdale. He was apparently a very good AAU player Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5 Hey, if you get a back-up center at #36, then that’s fine, right? I can’t complain about this pick just bc I was irrationally in love with Melton. Robinson seems like a totally legit flyer for round 2. It is so odd he didn’t go to the combine. Kevin Pelton had Robinson as his 18th best prospect. Where’d he have Melton? Boy, I hope Knox had the greatest 3 on 3 workout of all time then. Though I dunno if Fizdale being giddy makes me feel better about Knox or worse about Fizdale. Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!” Well, at least there’s a theme to this year’s draft: guys with questionable motors. Really, fine to take a shot on Robinson, though, in the 2nd round. I’d say he’ll spend quite a bit of time in the G League. Now, buy a late 2nd to replace the one given away in the Mudiay trade? I just wanted Deanthony Melton why can’t I get an optimal move once every 20 years or something Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5 Copy on the Melton thing. Re: Robinson — I hated the idea of spending #9 on a center. #36 as a flyer on a very highly ranked HS player? I’m good with that. Clearly the FO made the philosophical decision this draft that they were going to take a high risk high reward strategy. We’ll see how it works out. I can’t complain about this pick just bc I was irrationally in love with Melton. Robinson seems like a totally legit flyer for round 2. It is so odd he didn’t go to the combine. I believe he was hurt during the combine. The more I read about Robinson the more I like the pick, kid apparently during his AAU games was the best shotblocker and rebounder in his draft class and shot 70% on his 2pters. Brian I didn’t know that. This tweet from Givony is the only thing I remember: Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!” My only hope is that Fizdale saw specific skill sets and traits that he can use in whatever offense he’s trying to run with this team down the road. But this means that the pick falls on his head. Pelton notes that his rankings are different from how the actual draft will turn out, but this order is still odd and way off from everything else we’ve seen this draft season. Here’s what the top 10 of this projection looks like: 1. Luka Doncic 2. Deandre Ayton 3. Trae Young 4. Jaren Jackson Jr. 5. Michael Porter Jr. 6. Mikal Bridges 7. Mohamed Bamba 8. Dzanan Musa 9. Mitchell Robinson 10. Miles Bridges I am saying that your comparison between Knox and Ntilikina is piss poor and hyperbolic regardless of whether Frank flames out and Knox becomes Kevin Durant. Piss poor and hyperbolic, as Ntilikina’s PG play and your continual fawning over him, respectively? Kevin Knox’s highlight reel is just him taking a bunch of floaters. Literally every play is a floater. Even his jump shot looks like a floater. I mean, I don’t really care what it looks like if it works, but… really? Denver is totally going to use the Mudiay pick to get Melton Brian I didn’t know that. Woj tweeted earlier tonight, “A sprained left ankle has limited 7-footer Mitchell Robinson to only jump shooting in recent workouts, sources tell ESPN. He will be back to full strength soon. He’s the 28th-rated prospect in the ESPN Top 100.” Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!” He has an excellent reputation around the league based on his experience in Miami under Riley and Spoelstra. Elite players and both those guys speak very highly of him. That’s partly why most of us were fine with him being selected as the coach. So unless you’ve changed your mind, when he says he really likes a player and that he will fit perfectly into what the team wants do you are giving him the same benefit of the doubt we are giving him as coach. Right now, unlike Mills, Fisdale is innocent until proven guilty. Pelton had Knox at #23 and Robinson at #9 in his projection. This may have already been posted, but if not it discusses why Knox has a good chance to be a much better pro than college player. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23591050/five-potential-nba-draft-steals-break-next-level I’m disappointed with the pick, too. I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him”. I like both Bridges, Mikal in particular. But I don’t feel like that was a no brainer. We really needed someone to take Porter in the top 7. Whatever. Knicks gonna Knick. At least we should have a top 3 pick next year. coaches are really bad at evaluating players…. that is why they make horrible gm’s…. Huge value pick with Robinson, unlike Knox. But heck, 9 was a tough slot this year, especially with the Porter news. They really could’ve done worse. I’m rooting for these guys. Oh, Nets take Diallo, who was projected to go top 10 last year. A weird fact about Robinson is that in addition to having a Whiteside profile he also has a really nice looking three point shot. Pelton had Knox at #23 and Robinson at #9 in his projection. So on a bet basis we did well even though we got it backwards. 🙂 Thestepien had Mitchell Robinson #13 overall Assume Robinson starts the season in the G League. If the Knicks stink by January as expected and Robinson is showing something, I’d like to see them bu y out Kanter and call up Robinson. lmao the rockets grab melton….. Piss poor and hyperbolic, as Ntilikina’s PG play and your continual fawning over him, respectively? LOL. I love how you need to gradually personalize this issue with every post you write to the point that you’re just sniping with no actual point anymore. Its very revealing that what started off as you fallaciously comparing negative fan reactions here about this draft to positive fan reactions during the last has now become about my supposed continual fawning over Ntilikina. Are you finished embarrassing yourself here with this pettiness? Or do you need a time out here? Melton to Houston is classic. The rich get richer ofc Can we please buy a pick and not use it on an actual NBA players worse brother like we did last time Bates-Diop, Jevon Carter, and Gary Clark all have some intrigue if we were to buy a pick. I think Fiz will be excellent in motivating and teaching our young players. That may be more important than X’s and O’s at this stage. Knox is kinda Mudiayesque in his personality and parts of his game (e.g, not finishing strong). We gonna fix you Knox. I actually really like the Robinson pick, seems like a super fair gamble for a guy who might have a sky high ceiling. Made the bad taste in the mouth go away for a while at least I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him” Same. I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him” How about Zhaire Smith and Miami’s unprotected 2021 first? …about my supposed continual fawning over Ntilikina. There is nothing supposed about it, Ntilashilla This team has a lot of length for sure now. Now if the could only put it to good use. I dunno what the asking price for moving up into Doncic/Momba territory was but my feeling is that gambling on the fact that we could get one and not giving up lots of draft/talent capital seemed to be the smarter home run swing than gambling on Knox at #9 based on what was reported in the news. There is nothing supposed about it, Ntilashilla LOL the only person you’re embarrassing at this point here is yourself. He has an excellent reputation around the league based on his experience in Miami under Riley and Spoelstra. Elite players and both those guys speak very highly of him. That’s partly why most of us were fine with him being selected as the coach. So unless you’ve changed your mind, when he says he really likes a player and that he will fit perfectly into what the team wants do you are giving him the same benefit of the doubt we are giving him as coach. Right now, unlike Mills, Fisdale is innocent until proven guilty. As noted, he has a good reputation as a coach, not as a general manager, so “Fizdale likes him!” really carries no extra weight. What, Fizdale isn’t going to like the guy that they drafted with the #9 pick? How about Zhaire Smith and Miami’s unprotected 2021 first? Yeah ok that’s definitely better than Knox, I agree Man if Gary Clark goes undrafted we better be on the phone with his agent before the broadcast ends man that is right… mikal bridges was worth zhaire smith and the miami 2021…. i didn’t think it was possible to feel worse…. most NBA coaches: “only I can fix this” Time to get Gary Clark and Theo Pinson on the phone for training camp/two-way We got Allonzo Trier. Meh. Some scoring intrigue but nothing else. Likely doesn’t have the athleticism to stick. Pinson, Clark, and Bonzie Colson seem like the best UDFAs. @ShamsCharania Sources: Undrafted Arizona forward Allonzo Trier has agreed to a two-way contract with the New York Knicks. we def a have type… and they all look like tim hardaway jr…. Trier can shoot the heck out of the ball at least. I think the main takeaway from the playoffs was the future of the NBA is having 12 Tim Hardaway Jrs. Knox and Trier seem like prime candidates to get paid a lot more than they’re worth, with second round standout Mitchell Robinson being used as part of a package to acquire DeMar DeRozan. Trier in 3 years at Arizona (78 games) had a TS% of 63% on 24% Usage rate. That’s incredible efficiency for a guard, granted he didn’t do much of anything else which seems to be a theme with recent Knick acquisitions. Seems to me like Robinson is by far the most intriguing player the Knicks acquired tonight, the kid apparently is an incredible rebounder and shot blocker. Gary Clark to the Rockets. *sigh* I don’t like the Knox pick. My preference is for two way players, and he’s not that. But I relistened to the Dunc’d On podcast discussing him and I can see why some would like him. So I am not as down on the pick as I was. This is 6’10” guy who was the best shooter on the team that had good bigs so they played him at the two. He can do alley oops, has a nice floater, and good three point shooting percentages. He can post up a little. I think he has the potential to be a monster offensively. You need a really good defender to stop someone who can do all that stuff. And he’s only 18. The work out apparently convinced the Knicks that he had already improved since college. So I am really curious to see his scoring in Summer league. We could be very pleasantly surprised. That said, he apparently has a lot to learn about team play. Whether he learns that depends on his character and smarts and we have no information on that. But the Knicks might have that sort of information. If so I hope it was good and that was a factor in selecting him. I am actually kind of excited about summer league- rolling out Frank, Dotson, Knox, and Robinson. Add Kornet, Hicks and maybe Williams? It’ll probably be the only winning basketball the Knicks play all season. well a disappointing day… but the team with the worst day wasn’t the knicks… it was phoenix(esp after that bridges deal)… the kings …. and the hawks for passing up on doncic…. dallas is setup real well over the long haul…. next year’s draft might be the worst draft in over 10 years…. it’s probably rj barrett are bust…. dan gafford and hopefully a few others separate themselves but it’s very very thin otherwise so i wouldn’t count on much help… Well, now we know for sure, without question, that this front office is run by a bunch of half-wits, and that this particular FO is never going to win jack shit. So it’s safe to kind of tune out for a while, at least in terms of expecting a winning team. Injured KP/Frank/Kevin Knox is just a really tepid, mediocre core of young guys. There’s really not a lot of point to speculating what moves would be best right now. I mean, I’d love to move THJ, take on a bad contract to acquire assets blah blah blah but at the end of the day it’s the same gormless chucklefucks making the decisions. It’s not like they’re going to take genius pills and somehow figure all of this out. It’d be fun to watch a competitive team for once but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards. This whole last season and draft was one giant cut of Dolan’s Razor. There’s still more offseason to go so I’m sure the Razor will slice us again. We’re bad. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Won’t get fooled again. Everyone is complaining about the pick and ready to spit fire at FO; that’s so easy to do! Who was the clear cut better pick? Porter!?! I don’t think so. Or are we upset they didn’t trade up and get doncic while mortgaging every asset for the future ? On this blog everyone seemed to have a different player in mind at 9, and when we couldn’t agree we decided to agree not to like KNOX! I say give the kid a chance cuz he is just a kid, A big kid with a jumper! I think we just drafted a Hassan Whiteside clone… “We are happy to be adding two players who address our most immediate goal of becoming more athletic,” Isiah Thomas said. “Tim Thomas is a young, versatile small forward who suits our style of play very well, and Nazr Mohammed is a strong front-court player who will help us with rebounding and interior defense. Although we had to part with two quality players and individuals, we felt this trade makes us better now and in the future.” fast forward what is it 10 years, 15 years. “We were set,” Mills said at the team’s training facility. He called Knox a “perfect fit for how we want to play.” “He fits what we’re going to be about,” Knicks GM Scott Perry said. “He’s long, he’s athletic, he can play multiple positions, we think he has tremendous upside. He’s coming from a program in Kentucky that’s produced a lot of great pros. “We thought Kevin was an excellent fit for what we’re trying to get done here.” Sigh Comments are closed.