(Monday, December 18, 2017 6:34:23 PM)
Due to lingering discomfort in his injured left knee, Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis will miss the team’s game Monday against the Hornets. Porzingis originally suffered the knee injury in the first half of Thursday’s win over the Nets.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 11:16:36 PM)
Knicks guard Tim Hardaway Jr. will undergo X-rays and further tests on Tuesday on his injured left leg that has forced him to miss New York’s last nine games.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 9:49:33 PM)
Playing without forward Kristaps Porzingis for the second straight game, the Knicks were blown out against the Charlotte Hornets in a 109-91 loss on Monday at Spectrum Center.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 6:15:00 PM)
The New York Knicks play the Charlotte Hornets on Monday at 7 p.m. on the road.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 5:40:22 PM)
The Knicks ruled forward Kristaps Porzingis out for Monday’s game against the Charlotte Hornets due to a sore left knee.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 3:19:06 PM)
With Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. out, Knicks F Michael Beasley has been thriving as he fills in for the team’s top scorers.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 10:51:02 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The Knicks have been one of the NBA’s biggest surprises, and Kristaps Porzingis believes Jeff Hornacek deserves credit for that.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 10:44:24 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Kristaps Porzingis was a spectator again Monday night, but he probably wanted to avert his eyes. The Knicks’ performance was tough to watch.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 6:23:28 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Kristaps Porzingis will miss his second straight game because of a sore left knee.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 6:46:14 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — While Kristaps Porzingis missed his second straight game with a sore left knee Monday, Tim Hardaway Jr. is bracing for news on his own timetable. Hardaway will be reevaluated Tuesday for the stress injury in his left leg and find out how much longer he’ll be sidelined. Hardaway will likely undergo a…
(Monday, December 18, 2017 4:43:22 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The yin and yang of Michael Beasley was on full display at Spectrum Center in Monday’s 109-91 loss to the awful Hornets. With Kristaps Porzingis sitting out with a sore left knee, Beasley was thrust into the starting lineup again as starting power forward but wasn’t the hero this time. While he…
(Monday, December 18, 2017 4:28:36 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Call it the Carmelo Hangover. Two days after embarrassing Carmelo Anthony in a stirring win at the Garden, the Knicks spent their next game looking like they missed him. It was a rare night of complete ineptitude for Jeff Hornacek’s squad on both ends, though that has become their custom on the…
(Monday, December 18, 2017 1:20:22 PM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Kristaps Porzingis will miss his second straight game Monday in Charlotte with a sore left knee, as he still is feeling mild pain. It’s the sixth game he’s missed this season — he also sat out the second half of two others — because of ailments. Porzingis tested his left knee at…
(Monday, December 18, 2017 7:40:10 AM)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Two days after Carmelo Anthony’s observation the Knicks are having more fun this season with a different system, Kristaps Porzingis said one key is head coach Jeff Hornacek is brimming with confidence because he’s running his own offense. Porzingis, who missed his second straight game Monday against the Hornets, wasn’t needed against…
(Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:23:55 AM)
Frank Kaminsky scored 24 points for Charlotte and his slick shooting stopped the Knicks’ winning streak at four games.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59:43 PM)
Times reporters reflect on the conversations that stuck with them long after their assignments ended.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 7:59:26 AM)
For two decades in the N.B.A., Bryant was almost singular in his intensity. And on Monday night, the numbers he wore — No. 8 and 24 — will be retired.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 5:54:32 PM)
Tim Hardaway Jr. will get a much better idea Tuesday about when he can return.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 4:19:01 PM)
Basketball without Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. went well against the Thunder.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 1:53:57 PM)
After the team doctor convinced Kristaps Porzingis to sit against OKC, he won’t play against Hornets with his sore knee on Monday either.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 7:48:15 AM)
The Knicks are NBA misfits. Nobody wanted their starting point guard. Jarrett Jack couldn’t get a guaranteed contract.
(Monday, December 18, 2017 6:43:36 AM)
Phil Jackson will be home on the range while the Lakers raise Kobe Bryant’s No. 8 and No. 24 jerseys to the rafters Monday night.
66 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.12.19)”
The Celtics are obviously tough to expect them to beat, so that Pistons game looms large. They need to win that one.
By the way, it is hilarious seeing the Sixers playing on Christmas Day.
I was trying to think of when was the last time that the Knicks played a meaningful game on Christmas and then I remembered that they actually started well enough the last two years that the Christmas games kind of mattered.
They actually have the same exact record as last year as weird as it seems
Weird how it feels different this season. Should we give more credit to Phil being gone, or Melo? I feel like Rose contributed a big chunk to the cloud over last season as well
Last year was all luck at the start of the season. This year might be a bit of luck, as well (the whole schedule thing), but much less so, so it is more fun.
Understandable loss last night without KP and Timmy, but I worry about our mentality in road games. It seems like we lose all poise and play a little scared, and when the other team goes on a run, we just collapse.
Besides the 2 wins (and one was against Brooklyn, which is not really a road game) and the close loss to the Bulls, we’ve basically been blown out of every road game, with no chance to steal a game at the end.
That’s the worrisome part, January could get really ugly really fast.
This schedule, by the way, is still so amazingly bonkers. Is there something going on at the Garden in January that led to this ridiculous schedule?
Right. The Grammy’s. And apparently it takes 2 weeks to set up the Garden for the 1 night event. In some ways this worked in favor of the Knicks. They had an opportunity to gel before going on the road for January.
As always, we’re going to wish we had lost more games while resting guys like KP, and playing youth more (Frank, Willy) and not playing the decent vets that lead to unproductive wins (Jack, Lee).
It’s actually fun for me to watch players like Frank/Baker/THJ/KP/Kanter do well, or play well despite losing badly; it is not at all fun for me to watch a vet lineup with guys like Jack, Lee, Lance, and Beasley play well and win.
When Porzingis doesn’t play I don’t know how you don’t give some of his minutes to Willy.
Wow, it really is the fucking Grammys. Insane.
everytime i see dotson play i wonder why he is not in the rotation
Dotson is like Willy in that the full strength Knicks have players we should be playing instead of him if we’re trying to win games (and I guess we are). If you want to argue the Knicks shouldn’t prioritize winning this season I’d agree with you, but when we’re fully healthy I understand why Dotson isn’t playing every night. With Hardaway out I have trouble understanding why he doesn’t get some regular minutes.
Has Willy done something to offend Hornacek? He’s lack of playing time, especially with all of the injuries up front is baffling. It’s obvious from the last few games that Kanter is hurting, they should sit him down for a week or 2 until he is closer to 100%.
there is zero reason to play kanter if he is hurt while you have koq, willy and Noah
Hey Z-man, time to fire up your megaphone again. Kay Felder just got waived by the Cavs.
I guess management isn’t sold on Hornacek (who was a Phil hire), so he feels like he has to win all the games he can.
And I have to say he looked pretty much average as a coach, having this team playing goodish offense and kinda average defense. I still see two glaring flaws in Hornacek: his rotations (sometimes he nails them spot on, other times it’s a total mess) and the fact that the youngsters don’t get burn when they should. Willy looks like a bum this season but why aren’t we giving him a serious chance with KP out?
@18 Well I’d rather have him than Sessions at this point.
500 minutes isn’t a huge sample size, but it’s not nothing either, and Felder has not been anything close to an NBA player over that time.
Not playing the kids more is on the front office. The ownership/front office has to set the teams goals for the coach. If they would like Willy/Dotson to play and Horny won’t play them, they need assure him his job is not in jeopardy if playing the kids costs the team wins and then fire him if he doesn’t listen. But I suspect the FO wants to win.
any word on timmy yet?
Wait..what? They must be beyond certain about IT. The player they should have is Rose- especially with Wade performing well as a backup PG
dude the Cavs waived felder months ago. The bulls waived him today.
I hope Horny does well just so Mills won’t be tempted to go after Marc Jackson.
Felder got just 134 minutes for the Bulls and played insanely bad in this small sample size. I really don’t think he’s a NBA player.
I would rather see Trey Burke get the call than look at Felder. Burke can show nothing more in the G-League. He just won his second consecutive player of the week award and is lighting it up.
I watched a bit of one of the Westchester games last week and Burke was insane. I’m bracing for the smacks but I could’ve sworn that I was watching Steph Curry. He was taking ridiculous 3-point shots and making them with ease.
I’d rather see Nate Robinson back in blue and orange than Felder. The latter is truly terrible at NBA basketball.
Last night’s game was annoying in that we just became a jump shooting team.
It was lazy play. And in a bunch of cases the jumpers that were taken, folks weren’t setting their feet. A lot of off balance stuff.
They didn’t try often enough to penetrate and then all those long misses led to transition where the knicks were on their heels and losing guys and they got a lot of open looks.
The whole thing breaks down when you are taking too many jumpers and missing.
Then they’re gaining confidence on their home floor and everything they do feels like they’re running downhill.
How are we feeling that were chasing playoffs and not lottery balls?
Reminder to people who want to pay kanter. With kanter on the floor the opponents have shot 34.6% of their shots at the rim hitting 61.9%. with kanter on the bench it’s 30.9% and 56.3%. This is true every year for kanter (average of OKC years 37% and 62% on vs 34% and 57% off).
Kanter is really likable and has had a good start to the year (plus it’s fun watching someone run as if their arms were oars), but his value in the current NBA is still unclear. I don’t think his market value will be anywhere near $100 million, and I think he might end up opting in, but if I’m wrong and his market value is even, say, $85/4 I think it would be a mistake to pay it.
the one caveat is that kanter in a small sample is shooting 89% at the line and something like 60% on long twos. if it turns out that he is also a 38% 3 pt shooter and is actually kevin love with slightly worse defense and okc/we have just failed to optimize him then maybe he’d be worth it anyway. could it possibly make sense to stick a guy getting 4.8 ORB / 36 and shooting 65% at the rim behind the arc sometimes? i think yes, maybe. when love was young and shot fewer 3s he was at 4 ORB / 36 too.
I feel as much as KP plays outside, there’s no way we can actually have a Center who’s also shooting threes with him on the starting lineup. I mean, if he can shoot the occasional one here and there it’s good of course, but his offensive rebounding is by far the most important thing he does on offense for me.
I think with a guy like Kanter you either take him as he is and compensate his weaknesses elsewhere or you trade him / not re-sign him. We have to remember he also plays most of his posessions with Jarrett Jack, who might have issues stopping me from getting to the paint. Granted, the same issues happened last year with OKC’s good defense, but that’s my point, with him you take the good with the bad.
you don’t have to take the good with the bad at $20m plus. It’s your choice.
I feel as much as KP plays outside, there’s no way we can actually have a Center who’s also shooting threes with him on the starting lineup
I think the opposite. Having two bigs shooting threes isn’t a problem for an offense. In fact the ideal guy to pair with KP in my view would be a big who could could take the defensive muscle and DRB pressure off KP but preserve some of the power of having a guy like KP at the 5 by spreading the floor and preventing a big from having someone they can sit in the paint and mark. Unfortunately those guys are few and far between and the guys who can really defend tend to be only so-so floor spacers like pj tucker. but sticking KP with a true horford or younger ibaka type would be a fucking dream.
That’s why I said: “I think with a guy like Kanter you either take him as he is and compensate his weaknesses elsewhere or you trade him / not re-sign him.”
If we want a guy who can stretch the floor next to KP, Kanter is not that guy, it’s better to search for a stretch 4 type, which is far easier to find, than re-sign Kanter for 20 per year and hope he develops in such an unexpected way. I really can’t think of many players who can do what you wish, outside of Horford this year and maybe Towns (who can rebound but can’t or won’t play defense), Myles Turner or Joel Embiid (both who can shoot from the outside but not really well).
Why not emulate the currently-great offenses? GSW and HOU have paint-hungry guards who drive to the rim or shoot the three, and their big man — who might be the most efficient player in the league right now — is a lob-catcher who rebounds and defends like a mother fucker.
Even if Porzingis were a .650 TS% player, I don’t see why we should be looking to be the league’s first 5-out team, or rely on our wings to rebound the basketball. Unless those big men are true marksmen, it sounds like a recipe for getting pounded on the glass and ending up with a huge possession deficit.
I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive. Having a guy like horford or ibaka or Love with KP isn’t much different than what the spurs are doing at times with pau and lma or the nuggets with jokic/milsap and also isn’t that much different from having an extra shooter like Ryan Anderson on the floor. That doesn’t mean the other three guys have to be Courtney lee.
I’m not saying that’s he only way to go with KP, either. You can probably just as well pair him with a big who can take the pressure off on D but is a little more mobile and versatile to at least maintain some of the matchup advantages on offense that you don’t get with a rolo or a kanter who isn’t secretly Kevin Love. But those guys are like impossible to get because they are like Steven Adams or draymond (or maybe young Noah…). but I think we have to face that just sticking kp out there at the true 5 like he was draymond or horford or Marc Gasol is going to be tough until he is willing to do it and seems strong enough to stay healthy/defensively useful l even when he has to guard a guy like Drummond or whiteside.
Pairing him with kanter seems like a waste bc although he has the toughness and drb he is just not a good defender and yet also counteracts some of the unique benefits of having a unicorn on offense.
Felder has not played well, but he’s still a year younger than Willy and Dotson. I’d love it if we waived Sessions, signed Burke and replaced him in Westchester with Felder. I mean, if Shane Larkin can find a place in the league, so can Kay.
My feeling is that Kanter is our best C right now. The problem is we don’t know who will be better long term between Kanter and Willy. It’s impossible to know what to do with either of them until we answer that question.
I like that model a lot, but I could imagine others I like a lot also. I think the idea is get as many players with as broad a range of skills as possible (would you hate it if Capela added a solid 3 point shot?).
It’s hard to get more than a couple of very skilled players. So you try to mix and match where the skills compliment each other.
For example, as of right now, imo KP has to be paired with a really good rebounder. From there you want that player to have as many other skills as possible.
good news (i guess) for timmy – no setbacks to his recovery from his stress “reaction” (located somewhere between his left knee and ankle)…
a lot of this year seems to be about moving forward from the knick teams of the recent past…with that said – once again i’d like to point out how wonderful it is not to have to witness melo’s jab step to nowhere, rose’s eeyore demeanor, or, the mouth breathing of phil in the stands…hopefully though there aren’t too many of those charlotte games in our immediate future…
if so, probably not going to get too much use out of my league pass the next month or so…
would be nice to have both kp and timmy on the court for the bulk of the next month and a half, but, oh well…maybe some how, some way the team will be able to figure out how to pack their confidence and team identity, while playing at the garden, into their suitcases when they hit the road…
I’m not sure why the posters above are saying we need someone different than Kanter to pair with Porzingis. It looks like its working well to me, and this was the consensus at Knickerblogger earlier in the season too. Of course if you can get a “young Ibaka” that would be great, but how realistic is that? I realize Kanter gets paid a lot, but let’s see what happens when it’s time to make a decision about him. We do have to solve our center glut. To me that takes priority over thinking about Kanter as a solo topic.
I’m down with that plan!
I agree, but how much better can we get than Kanter for a similar price? That’s the big question.
I think the answer is not very much, as pretty much every center with a more developed skill set is either not moving or will be incredibly expensive in terms of assets or just salary.
I think the team still has more obvious issues to think about before addressing the center position, and in that case, the ideal would be Kanter opting in. If he doesn’t, which is sort of likely, it’s going to be a big issue.
I agree that, at least for awhile, KP needs to be paired with a good rebounding big, so he fits well with Kanter (KP goes for blocks and Kanter gets the boards). But, could someone else do that for a lot less $? Willy?
I still think that Kanter is a great backup big who is a bit exposed as a starter, and is thus overpaid. He does have the great teammate thing down, though.
Getting a good young three who can D and rebound a bit would further complement KP and Kanter/Willy. And, oh yeah, a better PG (maybe Frank can be that guy, but not right now).
If Kanter opts out you let him walk and play Willy more. To me that’s the ideal outcome.
Kanter is tricky. On the one hand you could hurt the team by eventually overpaying. On the other hand if Willy does not exceed him, you hurt the team if you can’t trade him and allow him to walk. The ideal would be for Willy to earn the starting spot and make Kanter expendable or Kanter being willing to come back for less.
Trae Young just had 22 assists and 4 TO’s in his game today.
The center market is very odd right now. Some centers, like Cousins and maybe Jordan will command a lot of money. I don’t think Kanter is one of these. But there is not much of a market for ordinary centers because the league trend is to go small. So getting a better center than Kanter at less than he costs might be very hard, but getting a reasonable replacement for less money might be pretty easy. You could even say we have some replacements on our roster. So my guess is that Kanter opts in. That would probably mean that Kanter wants to stay here, which could easily be the case. The fly in that ointment is that then he would be our most tradeable center and we might then trade him. Not because one of the other three centers we have is better, but just because trading him might still leave us with a reasonable line up at center and we could get something we need more.
Sooooo….Trae Young is sure to go in the top 5 of the NBA Draft now. Doncic, Bagley, Ayton, Young, Bamba, and Sexton make Michael Porter Jr 7th on the big board. Add in guys like Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges and we might have a chance at MPJr.
Re: Kanter, I think we have to let him walk at the end of the year. I love the guy but Kanter at $15+M < Hernangomez at $4M, and then KP closes games at center anyway so we need to be paying big money to a combo forward type to close out games with him. MKG seems like a good buy low candidate considering his age, defensive ability, and contract length.
What makes the Kanter discussion so interesting is how poor of a rebounder KP is at present. Neither he nor Hardaway Jr. are high-efficiency scorers and Kanter’s offensive rebounding and put-back skill is a huge plus. But if he gets paid like he is right now or more, you are committing to him being your 3rd best player, and I don’t see that as a championship formula. I’d rather spend the money on a PG or wing and roll the dice with either Willy or a low-budget lob-catcher who blocks shots.
The one thing that pisses me off about Willy not playing is this, what if we lose Kanter or if it’s a smart move to try to trade him in December? We have no idea if we can rely on Willy, basically. Even though it kinda sounds like a no, we can’t, I’d like to see it on the court.
If the Knicks aren’t planning on keeping Kanter and they think he’s opting out, he should be shopped everywhere (even though obviously his value would be low, it’s still something).
At the same time I feel like a championship caliber team in New York could hypothetically look like Ntilikina, Hardaway Jr, Michael Porter Jr, Kristaps Porzingis, Enes Kanter as a huge starting five with Ntilikina, Hardaway Jr, McDermott, Porter Jr, and KP closing the game. How unfair would it be to have a 6’5” point guard, 6’6” shooting guard, 6’8” small forward, 6’11 power forward, and a 7’3” center as the main components on your small ball line up? Playing Kanter to start a game gets our energy right and then our size and length should make us a tough team on the boards.
Also, I don’t really know if KP is as bad a rebounds as the stats bear out. I think (and I have no real evidence) that he rebounds better when he’s playing center as opposed to when he’s on court with any of our centers. The thing with our centers is their value is tied directly to their ability to hustle and rebound while KP is the offensive focal point every trip down the floor. If we made KP play more center I think he would grab 2-3 more rebounds per 36.
KP is not a good rebounder no matter how you slice it. Whether that changes over time is an open question.
Part of the reason KP doesn’t rebound well is that he spends so much time on the perimeter. You see that with other stretch big men too. Dirk was never a great offensive rebounder for that reason. He would probably rebound better if it became more of a defined role for him at C. But even then, he doesn’t seem to have much instinct for where the ball is going or any natural level of aggressiveness to go after it. He also gets the ball taken away sometimes by stronger guys. If he just happens to be in the area and it comes to him he gets it. Only on rare nights does he comes out like he wants to get more rebounds. Then he does better. For all we know it’s all on purpose. Maybe he or Hornacek feels that as long as Kanter is rebounding well, they’d rather not have KP banging inside.
Jason Kidd told Middleton to miss a free throw up 3 with 1.4 seconds left. After the game he said it was bc he was afraid of the 4 point play. Something is wrong with the market for NBA coaches.
Did he ever have a drinking problem? 🙂
Sometimes people overthink themselves into silly conclusions.
I mean I’m sure if I coached enough games I would do plenty of stupid shit and once in a while even white knuckle it with some nonsensical rationalization. But Kidd is a seriously serial offender..
kp was never really a great rebounder…. he doesn’t really expend energy on the glass … the difference between him and a guy like kanter is night and day and he’ll never be like that… but he doesn’t necessarily need to be….
it’s going to be hard to find an ideal pair for him… we need a decent rebounder and a decent all around defender that can play the 4 and hang on the perimeter…. kanter does about a third of that…. wily i’m not sure if he’ll wind up being the answer either….
there’s not much in the draft for that kind of player…. and the only guy i can see fitting that role would be a guy like noel… who we probably have no shot of signing…
Meee-ow, Anthony Davis.
You get that you commenting on it is, in fact, the opposite of “just playing basketball,” right?
I really have a hard time believing that Jason Kidd could be a better coach than Mark Jackson, who was a terrible coach
Jason Kidd might indeed be to the Bucks what Mark Jackson was for the Warriors, the guy who needed to be fired for them to further develop as a team. I’ve never seen a fan base of a good team so united on hating a coach as I’m seeing Bucks fans hating on him.
Doesn’t the clock run when the ball hits the rim so one second should run off before it is rebounded? O gather the outrage is he is too dumb to realize gane over up 4 or with a miss
Funny bc Jason Kidd is one of the smartest basketball minds to ever play. Maybe he just so narcissistic needs to show off by being different. “Hey, I bet you guys never even considered the possibility of the 4-point play!”
There’s article in the Daily New today about KP working out and getting stronger where it was mentioned that he previously didn’t like to go inside much because he’d get banged around a lot. I’m pretty sure they were referring to offense, but it’s consistent with my theory that KP not getting aggressive on the boards may be partially strategic. They allow Kanter to do all the dirty work so KP doesn’t get hurt.