Knicks Morning News (2017.12.01)

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Kanter, Melo trade chips stepping up
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:42:41 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] MRI on Kristaps Porzingis’ ankle reveals no structural damage
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:05:26 PM)

    Despite the Knicks — and all of Madison Square Garden — expecting the worst, Kristaps Porzingis’ ankle is only sprained.

  • [SNY Knicks] Michael Beasley continues to spark Knicks as fill-in for Porzingis
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:30:01 PM)

    Knicks F Michael Beasley continues to thrive when called upon to fill in for Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [SNY Knicks] Enes Kanter has been driving force behind Knicks’ resurgence
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:00:21 PM)

    It’s still only a quarter of the way through the season, but it’s pretty clear that the Knicks have gotten the best of the trade with the Thunder so far.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina sat out Wednesday after re-injuring ankle at practice
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:05:31 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis isn’t the only Knicks player with an ankle scare as rookie PG Frank Ntilikina twisted his bad ankle at practice Tuesday.

  • [NYPost] Porzingis gets good ankle news, then jokes with Jimmy Fallon
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:06:45 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis got good news Thursday on his right ankle, a negative MRI exam as the Knicks expected, according to sources. Hence, the show went on. Porzingis made his scheduled appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” on Thursday — a six-minute segment during which nothing about his horrifying ankle scare Wednesday was raised….

  • [NYPost] How a Carmelo trade piece became Knicks’ biggest blessing
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:01:38 PM)

    There is no basketball metric for team spirit, joviality, being the perfect teammate. Esteemed Thunder general manager Sam Presti may now realize those qualities don’t come in the form of a basketball analytic. Knicks starting center Enes Kanter is a bundle of joy and energy. The Carmelo Anthony trade is more than two months old….

  • [NYPost] This is what Courtney Lee looks like without Phil’s handcuffs
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:48:13 AM)

    Courtney Lee is averaging career highs in points, rebounds and assists. The Knicks swingman has been asked a handful of times this season why he seems a different, more active, more consistent player in his second season in New York. And though he didn’t want to diss former president Phil Jackson, Lee explained his production…

  • [NYDN] Courtney Lee attributes improved offense to removal of triangle
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:50:09 PM)

    Courtney Lee’s offensive numbers are up, and he believes it shouldn’t take a mathematics wizard — or a Zen Master — to understand why.

  • [NYDN] Knicks must ensure Kristaps Porzingis’ continued health
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:47:59 PM)

    The Knicks should be counting their lucky stars that medical tests of Kristaps Porzingis’ ankle revealed no significant damage.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis’ MRI results on injured ankle are negative
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:16:38 AM)

    The Knicks appear to have dodged a unicorn-sized bullet.

  • [NY Newsday] Courtney Lee enjoying a career year so far with the Knicks
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:29:17 PM)

    Courtney Lee heard all the rumors that he would be traded when the Knicks signed shooting guard Tim Hardaway Jr., but he said he never was concerned.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis’ MRI on ankle is negative, source confirms
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:54:29 PM)

    The Knicks seemed to be breathing a collective sigh of relief Wednesday night when Kristaps Porzingis’ ankle injury wasn’t as bad as it first appeared. An MRI done on Porzingis’ right ankle Thursday came back negative, revealing no structural damage, a league source confirmed. He’s considered day to day.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Insider podcast: Kristaps Porzingis doesn’t expect to miss much time
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:08:00 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis gave Knicks fans quite a scare on Wednesday night.

  • [ESPN] Sources: Porzingis’ MRI negative, day-to-day
    (Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:26:42 PM)

    An MRI taken Thursday on New York Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis’ injured right ankle was negative, revealing no damage, league sources told ESPN. Porzingis was hurt Wednesday when Justise Winslow stepped on Porzingis’ right foot.

  • 55 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.12.01)”

    Continuing yesterday’s discussion about what to do with Kanter if he opts out, this is where the Noah contract is the gift of that unfortunately keeps on giving. It’s a song cost at this point, but it also eats up a ton of space, and it becomes a hard psychological and practical thing to devote so much of your space to him, and another center, and KP.

    But I am really surprised by how valuable he’s been and how much I just enjoy having him on the team.

    See, the effect he has on the team is palpable. It’s one thing that he’s performing like a superstar, but the fact that he’s doing that while doing a great impression of a hypercaffeinated rhino is probably his best gift to the team.

    Just to continue the Kanter string…
    One thing that is so striking is how seemingly effortlessly he amasses numbers.
    I mean the other night He just suddenly had like 18 points and 12 rebounds or something like that at the half.
    With ridiculous efficiency.

    I don’t understand the kvetching about his salary already. I understand he would be expensive to retain, but when you have an elite level player (so far), one we have been seeking for a long time, and then he emerges, of course you have to pay to retain that talent.
    Otherwise, you’re never going to hold an elite player.

    Still a lot of moons before this season concludes, but 21 games in, his play makes him a top 10 player.
    KP’s little regression is a little disappointing, but asking him to knock down 30 a night is a bit much.
    I also have been pleasantly surprised by Lee. He is playing very well.
    Hardaway’s numbers and efficiency this season have hurt a bit. He’s below career averages in 3pt shooting, eFG% and TS%.
    If he improves to his career averages, we could actually be a pretty good team this year.
    Our bench beyond O’Quinn also has been surprising.
    And remember, this is still a new team. Kanter, McDermott, Hardaway, Frankie Long Arms, Jack, Sessions. Lots of new faces. There is a gel process that still is happening.
    But they play hard on defense, mostly. They play hard.
    They are giving me reason to believe that barring injuries, this could be a 4 or 5 level team in the east, maybe better, as currently constructed.

    Of course, the home schedule has been advantageous. this new, relatively young tea, needs to learn how to bring energy when the MSG crowd isn’t there to pump them up.
    Still a lot of learning going on.

    Frank O, the reason people are concerned about what to do with Kanter is that, as Z-man pointed out, he and KP at max salaries would take 60% of the cap. How do you build a contender that way? Truly the only hope would be this year’s draft and Frankie Smokes turning it to be for real. That’s a lot of hope.

    Don’t see how we don’t have to stretch waive Noah. Just a terrible, terrible contract.

    1. If Kanter keeps playing at this level, I think they will resign him UNLESS Willy starts breaking out to near the same level as the season moves on. You want to get good value, but you can’t let the better player walk.

    2. There’s a chance Kanter does not opt out. He absolutely loves playing in NY and might be willing to take a little less. Perhaps an extension of some kind would do the trick so he at least had more guaranteed money locked up.

    3. If they move O’Quinn (which they should probably do), I think they should stick with Noah and let the chips fall where they may in terms of playing time for the Cs .

    4. If they keep O’Quinn because they can’t find a attractive trade or just want to keep him, then it starts making some sense to stretch Noah IF the extra cap space in the short term enables them to sign someone they want. I would not stretch him unless they need that extra space short term.

    The Knicks are an “efficient” PG away from being a good team. If Frank can break out just a little in the second half, win the starting job, and start scoring 10-12 points and 6 assists per 36 with a TS% 52-53% I think we’d be pretty good. That’s probably too much to ask so quickly from where he is now, but not impossible. Then we go from there next year.

    There’s no point in stretching Noah until we have a real need for the space. Every year we can put it off makes the future look better. I’d rather be over the cap and inflexible in the short term than have extra drag down the road.

    There’s no point in stretching Noah until we have a real need for the space. Every year we can put it off makes the future look better. I’d rather be over the cap and inflexible in the short term than have extra drag down the road.


    That’s the point I’m making too. If there’s some guy we desperately want to sign and we need the space to do it, then stretching Noah makes sense. But stretching him just for the sake of releasing him makes no sense for us long term. It’s going to cost us cap space years out that we may need. If he looks good on the court that will make it easier to trade O’Quinn. We wouldn’t lose anything at C by playing Noah and might gain something we do need from the O’Quinn trade.

    There’s no one we can realistically get this off season that would be worth waiving Noah for.

    I agree. Resign Kanter. Let KQ go, which kind of sucks but whatever. Keep Willie. Then you have Noah backing up Kanter but Willie will be there too and will get plenty of minute since Noah won’t play every game anyways. Hopefully develop another big somewhere down the line as well. Even waiting one more year to stretch Noah (doing it in 2019 as opposed to next summer) would mean more immediate cap space opening up and less of a cap hit for us in the future. You’re stretching the final year as opposed to the final 2 years.

    We can be better next year with largely the same squad because we will have internal improvement bc of team chemistry/familiarity and improvement from Frank and Dotson and willie (and to a lesser extent KP). Plus we will add another first round and a high second round pick to the mix.

    If we make the playoffs this year and next but are a lower seed that is fine. Then summer of 2019 maybe that is the year you decide to stretch Noah. And I believe Lee and Lance would be off the books by that time too, right? Remember we should keep adding players via the draft.

    I don’t think a 25 year old who is playing as well as kanter is going to opt in. He needs more years to protect himself. I think very least, we are looking at 3 years starting at $22M.

    We’ll see how Kanter plays out the rest of the year. If he can keep a super high TS% and acceptable defense he’s avaluable player, but he’s also going to opt out and we have a lot of money tied up already. At some point this year we really need to give Willy more time. His single number stats look bad this year because he’s turning the ball over a lot and he’s gone 4-14 from the free throw line for some reason. Otherwise they look like last years, when he was very promising. If Willy can give us something like 80% of the production of Kanter for 20% of the cost I think it’s very hard to pay Kanter.

    @14 Willy had a bad TO issue last year at the start of the season but he got a lot better as the season went on. I guess it’s kind of surprising that he’s having that issue again early this year, but he’s also not getting many minutes and probably feels added pressure to perform well when he does. I think he’ll be OK in that area. I think improved defense is what will get him more minutes.

    I guess I’m way off here re: Kanter’s value. I love him, but I would offer him a contract similar to Timmy’s, and if he can beat that, then oh well. I just don’t see the market for a player with his skill set in today’s NBA as being in the 20+ million range.

    2For18…..I was thinking that too…..who else is going to pay Kanter? I know it only takes one. Looks like LA, Orlando and Dallas would be the most logical spots. He’s kinda in the teens for C’s for scoring and rebounding stats

    Kanter makes 20 million a year. We don’t typically see Centers going for that rate or more as free agents simply because they get re-signed before. The top 10 most paid centers in the league are Horford, Drummond, Whiteside, Howard, Love, Jordan, Lopez, Gasol, Adams and Gobert. Only Horford and Howard signed those contracts in free agency, everybody else re-signed with their teams.

    It’s the next batch of centers who were overpaid in specific situations that won’t happen ever again imo, the Monroe, Mahinmi, Mozgov, Biyombo, Plumlee, Noah group around 15-18 million.

    Kanter certainly belongs more in the first group than in the second group. I can certainly see him getting something closer to Horford / Howard / Whiteside money if he keeps this level of production.

    I think unless Kanter starts playing 32+ minutes a game so his per game stats improve and he comes close to the all-star game he won’t get more than 20 million a season. Teams can’t give away centers. Dedmon is quite good and only got 6 million a year, Noel had to take the qualifying offer.

    Plus Kanter wants to stay and fits really well. I really think we could extend him for 18 million a year and he says yes.

    Kanter absolutely LOVES the Knicks and vice versa (so far). He’s on Twitter all day talking about his game and the Knicks. He’s going to get good money, but he’s already had a big payday. I really don’t think he’s going to look to break the bank in NY and I don’t think the market for non rim protector Cs is that huge anyway. There should be a deal/extension there that satisfies both sides. The fly in the ointment is Willy making a leap. If Willy jumps up and we are at the point where there’s a legitimate debate about who should be starting, then we could conceivably look to move Kanter, put Willy in his role, and add something else we need. If Kanter keeps playing like this his current contract doesn’t look that bad. Someone could be interested. That opens the door to a trade possibility, but only if Willy can step into his role.

    Dedmon is quite good and only got 6 million a year, Noel had to take the qualifying offer.

    Plus Kanter wants to stay and fits really well. I really think we could extend him for 18 million a

    Isn’t the first sentence a good reason to not do the second sentence?

    I just don’t see Kanter getting 20 million. I think it might be hard to get him to take less than what he is making now but who knows. It seems like those huge contracts that people got a few years ago were an aberration bc of the cap jump and going forward its not going to be like that for every above average player. I would think 18 million for another 4 years should do the trick, maybe even 15 million for 4 more years. Its a lot of money!

    So extend the man! He’s 25! He loves playing here! He’s efficient as fuck and rebounds like a beast and his defense is getting better! We’d get him in his prime! He pairs well with KP!

    I mean, yeah it fucking sucks about Noah. I feel like if Noah wasn’t here we would even hem and haw about this. But let KQ go, Lee and Lance will come off the books soon enough, stretch Noah after next season. There’s room to add players via Free Agency. We got picks going forward. We have young players on our team who will get better. Extend the man!


    People are talking about Kanter like he’s about to get a max contract. I was only suggesting the 18 million as a sure thing. I’d start the extension talks lower and hope to get him for 12-15 million but that might be hard to do.



    @8 “ The Knicks are a proficient point guard away from being a good team”
    Where have I heard that before???……..oh yeah like every year this century.

    They have neglected the most important position on the team over and over. Frank may turn out to be good, but I don’t see him as a point guard, certainly not in the forseable future. They Absolutely need to obtain an above average point guard to run the offense, take care of the ball, defend the opposing 1, and score a little. Otherwise they are playing at too big of a disadvantage against good teams.

    I mean, if we can re-sign Kanter in the 12-15 million a year range it’s a ridiculous no-brainer, I would do it today without thinking.

    He would make the same as Kelly Olynyk and the bad Plumlee who got traded a bunch of times.

    i know in today’s climate it’s possible for athletes to get paid endorsement wise in just about any market…but, i have to imagine that even with the crazy new york taxes – financially kanter is going to make out fairly well off the court playing for the knicks…

    I mean, if we can re-sign Kanter in the 12-15 million a year range it’s a ridiculous no-brainer, I would do it today without thinking.

    That would definitely be a ridiculous no-brainer. The question is what do we do if the market dictates a raise from his current salary? If he keeps up his current level of production he very well might deserve one in a vacuum, but as we know the Knicks don’t exist in a vacuum (salary cap, win curve, yadda yadda yadda).

    What we should do in that situation is a tough question that I don’t think we’ll have a clear answer to for a while, if we ever get one at all.

    He’ll probably wind up in the 18-22 million range though he might have to opt in and wait a year to get it. I can’t see him signing an extension that would cut his salary by any significant amount no matter how much he loves NYC.

    Now that we know Flynn has flipped the pro-Trumpers will have plenty of time to wrangle their excuses. They’ll have to come up with better ones than “he was just the coffee boy” or “these crimes happened a long time ago” and their early efforts are not very impressive. So far they’re going with “Obama hired Flynn” and “Trump fired him so that vindicates us” and “why is it so wrong to talk to the Russians” but these are just the first trial balloons. I’m sure they’ll come up with better in due time.

    Oh, and something something Alan Dershowitz while we’re at it.

    I’m sure they’ll come up with better in due time.

    I can’t wait until they have to somehow create distance between Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump.

    I don’t see kanter taking a pay cut to stay here. I suspect someone will offer him at least what he’s making now, even if just for 2 years.

    I can’t wait until they have to somehow create distance between Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump.

    If only they had a floor spacer like we did…

    Fox News (aka state media) was actually running a Hillary scandal story while the Flynn news was breaking.

    #alternate universe

    You guys are kidding, right? You really don’t think that Kanter is not going to get paid?

    I’d set the over/under on his average annual salary in his next contract at $25 million.

    You guys are kidding, right? You really don’t think that Kanter is not going to get paid?

    I’d set the over/under on his average annual salary in his next contract at $25 million.

    He’s got 7 years experience, so his max contract would be $127M over four years. If the Knicks have his Bird rights (not sure about that), he would be eligible for a maximum of $172M over five years. No way he gets less than $100M over four, IMO.

    Porzingis will likely wait until the 2019 offseason to take the designated player contract, which will be $195M over five years.

    ($39 mill, but who’s counting?)

    I agree, Jowles, and you simply can’t pay Kanter and KP a combined $72-75 mill over that time. There would be nothing left for any wings or guards, and it’s a wings and guards league. But I wonder whether he’d take $25 mill per or so to stay in NYC, he clearly loves it here!

    On another note, on paper, the next 7 games are all winnable (and of course losable.) If we’re a playoff team, I’d say we have to go at least 5-2 during this stretch.

    25 Mil a year for Kanter? I’ll take the under on that with anyone, though not sure what/how’d we bet.

    What is it about progressives that everything in their lives revolves around politics? Come on guys, this is a basketball forum, an escape from worries about scumbag politicians of both of the major parties who all just want to control us in their own way. You’re fooling yourself if you think any of them give a fuck about you and are accountable to anyone outside of their club.

    I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but thanks to Paul Ryan and the GOP I got to become middle class today. I’m a graduate student who’s going to get taxed at 60k a year; I may only earn 10k a year, but man, feeling like a member of the middle class is priceless!

    Also, we’re gonna have to pay Kanter more than he’s currently earning to keep him. If Willy doesn’t improve I think the decision is relatively easy so long as it’s 25m or below, but if Willy’s even half as good we should think k long and hard about it if no other salary gets shed soon.

    why do the Pistons and wizards play each other 30 times a year? I’ll take the under on kanter getting $100 million.

    Meulens would be my pick, though I agree the Girardi firing still seems unnecessary. I assumed something would come out that would make it seem less weird but it never really happened.

    What is it about progressives that everything in their lives revolves around politics?

    I fucking detest this sentiment. “Politics” being used as a dismissive term for “the things that affect millions of peoples’ lives every single day” will never not piss me off.

    A lot of people don’t have the privilege of being able to take a step back from it all, as Silky just pointed out. It’s not, like, rooting for a sports team or some shit.

    after abc made it’s massive and insanely lolworthy story correction, safe to say the trump derangement syndrome outburst today was mostly overblown. Also fyi you don’t flip anyone with a plea deal by having them plea to lying, it kinda destroys all their credibility as a witness.

    There are a lot of places y’all can discuss politics on the internet.

    I watched a bunch of OKC-MIN tonight and I don’t think I saw Melo run full speed once. I think his legs are completely gone. He needs to talk to Lebron

    I think today would be a good day to state that if I were the Knicks’ GM I would have selected Donovan Mitchell with the 8th pick. I love Frank Ntilikina but the Jazz have themselves a two way Eric Gordon.

    No I still think Frank Ntilikina is a higher upside player and that Frank will eventually be better than Donovan Mitchell. I’m just a Donovan Mitchell guy and have been a Donovan Mitchell guy for a while. I thought his in conference play was validation that he would be able to make the transition despite his TS% looking bad for the entire season.

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