Knicks Morning News (2017.02.08)

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson’s tweet appears to be critical of Carmelo Anthony
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:24:00 PM)

    Phil Jackson broke his silence Tuesday — on Twitter — where the Knicks president appeared to take a shot at Carmelo Anthony.

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Hornacek on Knicks so far: ‘Who would be satisfied?’
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:04:00 PM)

    “Who would be satisfied?” Jeff Hornacek said. “Everybody is looking for the answers and what we can do to get better. He’s trying to analyze it, I guess, and let us know what he sees.”

  • [NYPost] One good practice doesn’t mean Knicks’ work ethic is for real
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:29:04 PM)

    There were no blood stains on the hardwood, no signs of bumps or bruises being treated. Heck, by the time the media was admitted to the final portion of Knicks practice on Tuesday, coach Jeff Hornacek and team president Phil Jackson were sitting under the retired jerseys yucking it up like best friends. While there…

  • [NYPost] Austin Rivers vs. Derrick Rose will have Knicks’ full attention
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:20:02 PM)

    Considering the climate, Wednesday night’s Clippers-Knicks Garden showdown shapes up as the Knicks point guard of the present versus potentially their point guard of the future. Austin Rivers, whom the Knicks would like as part of a Carmelo Anthony package, is now the Clippers starting point guard with Chris Paul out with a thumb injury…

  • [NYPost] The real meaning of that Phil Jackson riddle: He wants out
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:01:32 PM)

    The internet was abuzz around 3:20 Monday afternoon, and with good reason. The Twitter account of one @PhilJackson11, which had laid dormant since Dec. 27, sprung once again to life. Those were 42 empty days and nights indeed. No retweets. No misspellings while chronicling the comings and “goinks” of his beautiful mind. Nothing, not a…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson resumes his assault on Carmelo Anthony
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:17:24 AM)

    Phil Jackson has issued another tweet from Mount Zen — and it’s another barely veiled shot escalating his feud with Carmelo Anthony, whom Jackson is looking to trade away from the Knicks. Jackson endorsed an unfavorable piece published Tuesday by Bleacher Report in which former Lakers writer Kevin Ding delivers some blistering critiques of Anthony, portraying…

  • [NYPost] Knicks were so ashamed they got into scraps at practice
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:20:50 AM)

    Courtney Lee apologized to the Knicks fans who showed up Monday at Madison Square Garden to watch the home team roll over against the lowly Lakers in the boo-infested 121-107 defeat. “[Monday] night that effort was pretty bad, man,’’ Lee said. “I definitely got to apologize to the fans who spent hard-earned money to watch…

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Jeff Hornacek on his conversations with Phil Jackson
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:02:50 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek talks about his relationship with Phil Jackson and the types of discussions they have regarding the team.

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil reacts to column critical of Carmelo with tweet
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:11:23 PM)

    Following the Knicks’ 121-107 loss to the Lakers on Monday night team president Phil Jackson took in practice courtside on Tuesday

  • [SNY Knicks] Report: Knicks will have interest if Williams clears waivers
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:00:05 PM)

    The Knicks will have interest in Derrick Williams if the forward clears waivers, according to a report by ESPN’s Ian Begley.

  • [SNY Knicks] LeBron says report that he’s pushing Anthony-Love deal is “trash”
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:50:41 AM)

    Cavaliers F LeBron James said a report that he’s pushing for a trade that would bring Kevin Love to the Knicks in exchange for Carmelo Anthony is “trash.”

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks bemoan lack of pride after listless loss to Lakers
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:50:41 AM)

    Several Knicks players and head coach Jeff Hornacek questioned the team’s pride after their 121-107 loss to the Lakers on Monday night at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony scores 26 in Knicks’ lifeless performance
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:45:21 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony scored 26 points Monday night, but the Knicks put on a lifeless performance and lost to the Lakers 121-107.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Is it time for the Knicks to rebuild?
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:50:41 AM)

    The Daily News Live crew debates whether or not it is time for the Knicks to hit the rebuild button.

  • [ESPN] Wednesday’s Knicks Links: Time for James Dolan to step in
    (Wednesday, February 08, 2017 5:05:12 AM)

    Wednesday’s Knicks Links: Time for James Dolan to step in

  • [ESPN] Phil tweets shot at Carmelo, escalates feud
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 4:45:53 PM)

    Phil tweets shot at Carmelo, escalates feud

  • [ESPN] Vote: Are the Cavaliers better off keeping Kevin Love?
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:38:48 PM)

    Vote: Are the Cavaliers better off keeping Kevin Love?

  • [NYTimes] Phil Jackson Lets His Lips Loose as Knicks’ Ship Keeps Sinking
    (Wednesday, February 08, 2017 2:22:13 AM)

    On Twitter, Jackson signaled his approval for an article that concluded that he had erred in thinking he could turn Carmelo Anthony into a well-rounded player.

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Think Cavaliers-Warriors Rematch Is Inevitable? Don’t Be So Sure
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:06:43 PM)

    With Cleveland and Golden State leading their conferences, many people expect a repeat N.B.A. finals. But bookmakers’ odds suggest only a 40 percent chance of a rematch.

  • [NYTimes] Lakers 121, Knicks 107: Pounded by Lowly Lakers, Knicks Fall Further From Playoff Field
    (Wednesday, February 08, 2017 1:01:29 AM)

    The Knicks fell behind Los Angeles, one of the N.B.A.’s worst teams, by 27 points in the first half en route to their fourth loss in five games.

  • [NYTimes] Kevin Durant Is Gone. Durant, Okla., Is Sad.
    (Wednesday, February 08, 2017 7:00:02 AM)

    The grief over Durant’s departure as a free agent to join the Warriors is palpable in Durant, a quiet community about 150 miles southeast of Oklahoma City.

  • [NYDN] A look at Michael Graham, the CBA bust Jax compared Carmelo to
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:34:38 PM)

    Graham was coached by Jackson in the CBA.

  • [NYDN] James Dolan must stop Phil Jackson’s bullying of Carmelo Anthony
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:28:10 PM)

    Phil Jackson may be tweeting himself right out of New York. And maybe that’s exactly what he’s trying to do if he can’t trade Carmelo.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson’s cryptic tweet seems like more Carmelo criticism
    (Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:01:22 PM)

    Phil Jackson finally broke his silence on Tuesday with a cryptic tweet that can be interpreted as yet more criticism directed at Melo.

  • 218 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.08)”

    Gotta be honest – as much as I’m sure Melo wants to win right now and play with his buddies, maybe he really just doesn’t want to leave his family — and that’s ok by me as a person (not necessarily as a Knicks fan). For those of you with kids, imagine already not having that much time to spend with your kids because your schedule is basically opposite theirs and on top of that you’re on the road 50+% of the time. Then your choice is to either take your kid out of school and try and figure out how he’s going to integrate into wherever you send him (and STILL see him <50% of the time and be on opposite schedules), or leave him in school in NYC and basically never see him again until the offseason, which could (for LAC) be 4+ months from now. That's not easy. Much easier to say let's just struggle through this year and then figure it out in the offseason when everything can be planned out.

    As a Knicks fan, yes, I wish he would just consent to go somewhere so we can rebuild. But he's a human being and from all reports a devoted dad and husband. In some walks of life, what he's doing would be thought of as admirable and selfless.

    And as much as I think Phil Jackson probably has dementia and really just has no idea what he's doing, it IS possible he really is trying to piss Melo off enough to agree to leave.

    On a different note – what happened to Hornacek's whole notion of playing KP at the 5 and Melo at 4? Wouldn't this be the perfect time to do it rather than still KOQ into the starting lineup? Seriously, is Hornacek stealth-tanking? Is he trying to make the team bad enough that Dolan fires Phil?

    The easiest way for Melo to stay in NYC and be with his family is to play defense and pass the ball more effectively.

    The media’s call for James Dolan to step into this affair only proves they really don’t have a clue and should not be allowed to comment about basketball operations. There could be nothing more dangerous than getting that guy involved in this mess.

    The easiest way for Melo to stay in NYC and be with his family is to play defense and pass the ball more effectively.

    +1

    Eh even if we had last years version of Melo we would still be garbage and people would be begging to trade him.

    Um, the easiest way for Melo to stay in NYC is just to say no to trades. That’s way easier than playing defense and passing the ball. he doesn’t even need to get off his couch.

    I should have said defense/passing is the “easiest way to stay” AND “to avoid being called out regularly by fans and reporters and your boss.”

    Presumably that is harmful to the brand.

    There’s nothing easy about Melo waiving his NTC in Phil’s face. He’s going to have to answer for every underachievement on this team from then on out.

    There’s nothing easy about Melo waiving his NTC in Phil’s face. He’s going to have to answer for every underachievement on this team from then on out.

    Yup.

    There’s nothing easy about Melo waiving his NTC in Phil’s face. He’s going to have to answer for every underachievement on this team from then on out.

    He already is — he’s the one out there facing the media every day while Big Chief Triangle hides behind security.

    Funny- Phil seemed to have no problem smirking and giving interviews when his team was winning.

    Man, I am just so sick of that guy. I want Melo to be traded also, but Phil Jackson and the way he is acting now is everything that is wrong with this franchise. Is this really better than the Chris Smith days? Bad moves, no accountability, and a jerk on top of it. Someone yesterday (maybe Derrick Needs His Space) said he doesn’t care about how nice his GM is — which is true for me too, except that he sucks at his job in addition to being a jerk.

    Melo is being given a free pass since Phil leaked the article. In the game against Cleveland he had a terrible performance and blamed it on the drama surrounding his impending trade when we know that he’s pretty much sucked for the last 2+ years. The media has its knives out for Phil now, but sooner or later Melo will have to explain why another team built around him has failed and he’ll have to do it as his game deteriorates even worse.

    Everything you’re saying about Melo is true also.

    But Phil Jackson has succeeded in making Melo the sympathetic figure here – and deservedly so. Seriously, Phil has succeeded in making a guy who has been known as a coach killer, offense staller, no-defense chucker into the sympathetic figure. That takes real skill.

    Phil – please just keep your mouth shut and your Twitter app closed. And lose Charley Rosen’s number at least until after the trade deadline. I mean that in the nicest way possible. It’s best for you and the team that you claim to lead.

    Yes, PJ might be a dick, but he’s been consistent about what he expects from his players since day one. He wants “system basketball.” This got blown out of proportion with the Triangle and all the hype around it. Then with Hornacek, PJ dialed it back and said the Triangle was a strong suggestion, not a requirement. By now he just wants “any system” and he even changed coaches (and all the players around MELO) to see if that would help. It didn’t.

    Big Chief’s silence these days (and his passive aggressive tweeting to Melo) is the demeanor of a “Dad” who is saying, “Fine, do it your way, see if it works any better.” I think it’s clear that Melo’s way is not working any better. In fact, Melo’s way is demonstrably worse since whenever the backup guys are in there, the ball flows, and Hornacek feels like John Wooden (for about five minutes).

    I even think PJ would accept a lot of losing if he saw some semblance of “system basketball” on the floor. I would too. That’s what building for the future is supposed to be about. That’s what teaching KP the “right way” to play is supposed to be about. “Playing the right way” is what Dolan hired PJ to teach. That’s also (probably) what Melo promised he would do right before signing the … NTC.

    Does anyone on here really think that the Knicks are playing any sort of coherent system at all, or even have any repeatable plays, or any philosophy on defense besides reaching in? Yes, some of that is on the coaches, but more of that is on the players imho.

    PS — Check D’Antoni’s past here for more of same. D’Antoni’s system worked just fine here when the players bought into it. It seems to be working fine now too … elsewhere.

    Melo is sympathetic as long as that trade deadline is open. Once its over and he stays he’s going to have to account for what he wants to accomplish here. See, for all of his problems the one thing Phil actually is trying to do is offer a solution – trade Melo to a contender and have the team rebuild. Even Phil’s largest critics don’t deny this team sucks or that a rebuild is the probably the best move forward for everyone involved. They’re just too busy blaming Phil for the sorry state of the team and criticizing how he’s treating Melo to do it. If that window closes with Melo stuck on the team, the narrative changes. Melo will have to stand and face every post game interview to take responsibility for why a team’s he’s leading is losing and his part in that result. I wish him well in that war to come. An impending trade won’t be the subject that distracts the media from how terrible he’s been.

    Does anyone on here really think that the Knicks are playing any sort of coherent system at all, or even have any repeatable plays, or any philosophy on defense besides reaching in? Yes, some of that is on the coaches, but more of that is on the players imho.

    No they don’t. They just know Phil is to blame for all of it so therefore Phil should be gotten rid of, even though he’s the one in this dispute actually offering the proper solution for both parties involved by trying to trade Melo. The media can evade it all they want but its clear as day – this team plays better when Melo is off the floor. Someday soon someone is going to point this out and then Melo will have a choice – try to fool people he’s really into team basketball for a few games like he usually does or get out of Dodge. Let’s hope he picks the latter come the deadline while making us worse in the meantime.

    This is a situation where I feel sorry for both parties. Phil, for all his faults, has done some good and has shown flexibility in his decision making when things are not working. I’m sure he was extremely frustrated at what he saw last game against the Lakers, which may have prompted the tweet. He over steps his boundaries, sure, but to scapegoat him for these problems completely ignores all the losing that was happening before he got here.

    Melo doesn’t deserve all this either. He’s a diminished, league average player at this point in his career; it’s not his will to win that is lacking, it’s just that he’s not a game-changing player nor has he ever been. To expect him to be something he is not is disingenuous.

    PS — Check D’Antoni’s past here for more of same. D’Antoni’s system worked just fine here when the players bought into it. It seems to be working fine now too … elsewhere.

    I really hope Hornacek doesn’t get fired for this clusterfuck mess he walked into. The guy deserves a chance to implement the system he wants with the players he needs to do it. I said the same thing with D’Antoni (who I was no great fan of) and will say the same thing now: you don’t hire a coach and give him the wrong players to get the job done. Its like asking someone who builds brick houses to build a house without using bricks.

    @1

    I fully understand what you are saying, but basketball players are not the only ones that are forced to make tough decisions like that when it comes to their careers and family. We all make tradeoffs. It’s one of the tradeoffs he made for getting paid millions of dollars to play a game he loves. I’d swap places with him anytime. I’d send my kid to the best private school, spend the entire summer with him, shower him with love, affection and gift when I did get to see him, and I think we’d both be alright. 🙂

    It’s time for Melo to move on.

    Lol

    Laugh all you want, but you have Frank Isola arguing in print that Phil is “bullying” Melo and that Dolan should step in to stop it. I mean, bullying? Really? Is this guy shitting me?

    Apparently a guy on a max contract playing .108 WS/48 basketball on a woefully performing team can’t be called out for his failure without the media saying its “bullying”. What’s next? A safe-space for Melo?

    My GAWRSH!! I fully expect Phil to have a mouth full of athlete’s foot fungi and also have it down his throat. The guy just can’t do his job without tweaking someone! To be fair, there is a chance that he wasn’t trying to tweak Melo in his tweet…but we all know who he was indirectly referencing. I just don’t get it. If you really are “determined” to trade a player, you should be showcasing him on the court and highlighting his “greatness” off it, fight? Sheesh! Melo is already 32 with a troubling injury history that didn’t pop up until he was 30, so his trade value has already been diminished for a few years now. Why would you drop his stock, and the franchise you work for any further? Bravo, Phil! You have succeeded in making an already toxic atmosphere even more so. I guess the only way to move forward is via draft because no one’s gonna want to sign with the Knicks- other than low-tier free agents desperate to show they can score 30 or maybe grab a few boards or rack up assists.

    You want to attract winners, Phil. Winners who will accentuate what guys like KP and Willy can do. More than that, you want good players. I don’t see this environment cultivating anything good. You can’t blame it on Melo anymore, and Hornacek doesn’t deserve to be thrown under the bus. Neither did Fish for that matter. This lays squarely at Phil’s feet. The problematic question is, if Dolan fires Phil, who could he conceivably hire that would be an upgrade?

    It is bullying because Phil just throws pit shots through Rosen or Ding or Twitter. If he talked to the media and said I. Want melo gone, that’s fine. But he’s being a petulant little bitch about it

    I guess the only way to move forward is via draft because no one’s gonna want to sign with the Knicks- other than low-tier free agents desperate to show they can score 30 or maybe grab a few boards or rack up assists.

    Like they were lining up to sign with us before this mess anyway.

    Bravo, Phil! You have succeeded in making an already toxic atmosphere even more so. I guess the only way to move forward is via draft because no one’s gonna want to sign with the Knicks- other than low-tier free agents desperate to show they can score 30 or maybe grab a few boards or rack up assists.

    You want to attract winners, Phil. Winners who will accentuate what guys like KP and Willy can do. More than that, you want good players. I don’t see this environment cultivating anything good. You can’t blame it on Melo anymore, and Hornacek doesn’t deserve to be thrown under the bus. Neither did Fish for that matter. This lays squarely at Phil’s feet.

    Yep

    George Karl is a dick. Mike D’antoni is a dick. Phil Jackson is a dick.

    Melo is a poor victim who gives it his all on defense and plays team basketball.

    It is bullying because Phil just throws pit shots through Rosen or Ding or Twitter. If he talked to the media and said I. Want melo gone, that’s fine. But he’s being a petulant little bitch about it

    Oh please stop it. Everyone who thinks Phil is the only one playing games in the media here is really being naive. You think Melo with his vague cryptic tweets about “running away from things”, NTC, and talk about “regardless of what happens when we win, it’s us. When we lose, it’s me” doesn’t play the media game?

    If anything Phil is the one standing up to Melo and telling him what no one on that team or coaching staff will say to his face – he’s not committed to winning at all costs.

    Melo is a poor victim who gives it his all on defense and plays team basketball.

    Soon it will be “Jeff Hornacek is a dick” too. An endless line of scapegoats has been accumulated to excuse an overrated player’s ego. Remember Woodson? That guy bent over backwards to accommodate Melo’s game and the same Melo sycophants turned on him when the getting was good.

    I hate this argument that keeps coming up – “When Melo is gone, the media is gonna start going after KP”. Here’s an idea, how about our “star” players actually play well. If KP doesn’t produce, he will be criticized. If he does, he’ll be crowned. Shocking

    I can’t wait til melo is gone. God bless you KP, you gonna a need it

    LOL talk about bullying. He was booed on draft night by his team’s own fans with his family in the room. Didn’t phase him one bit. If that was Melo he’d have been waiving his finger at the crowd and giving passive aggressive complaints in the media.

    If KP doesn’t produce, he will be criticized. If he does, he’ll be crowned. Shocking

    God forbid the media actually holds a star accountable for not living up to his promise!

    If you really are “determined” to trade a player, you should be showcasing him on the court and highlighting his “greatness” off it, fight? Sheesh!

    I just noticed it, but that was meant to say “right” instead of “fight”- though fight might just be the word the team needs lol

    Like they were lining up to sign with us before this mess anyway

    Ha! Truuuuuuuue! Even Donnie Walsh couldn’t get anyone to sign that was worth the cap space, though STAT was great until he got hurt

    Melo’s always been soft and hypersensitive. He was never the match for this city that he branded himself as. This bullshit about him being a NY guy is so overrated. It all about his brand and the perception of him as this true NYer rather than the reality of who he is as a player. When I think of Knicks basketball his game is the antithesis of what that has meant during its glory days whether it was the unselfish Red Holzman teams of the late 1960s and early 70s or the grizzled defensive oriented Riley-Van Gundy squads of the 1990s.

    Melo’s always been soft and hypersensitive. He was never the match for this city

    Yeah melo sure has been soft….lol keep talking you sound dumber by the minute. Melo isn’t Trump. He handles the NY bullshit pretty wells

    giving passive aggressive complaints in the media.

    Sounds like some one with the initials. PJ….

    He handles the NY bullshit pretty wells

    Not even you are this much a mark, are you? This is a guy who can’t even let a fan question if he’s declining on Instagram without getting his panties in a bunch. Dude is a hypersensitive bitch more concerned with perception than the reality of his actual play.

    I’m not sure how anyone can come a conclusion other than both Melo and Phil have been bad for the franchise. I was never a big fan of Melo but this exchange actually has me on his side. Melo is an overrated player that all of us but Phil knew wouldn’t likely improve as he aged.

    Phil signed Melo (with the inexcusable NTC). He has his fingerprints on the deals of every player on this roster. None of this train wreck could’ve or would’ve happened without Phil making his dumb mistakes. Instead of blaming Melo for being the player he’s always been, blame yourself for Rose. Blame yourself for Noah. Blame yourself for the past 2 seasons. I am sick of his smugness and his all-mighty persona that gives off the vibe of “if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else because I have ringz”.

    Sounds like some one with the initials. PJ….

    And you think comparing him to Phil Jackson is a defense of his hypersensitivity? LOL. We all know Phil is super egotistical and sensitive.

    Melo may be too sensitive, but he didn’t give himself the deal that crippled the Knicks for years to come. The person who did that seems to be free of blame.

    @37 I grew up watching the Red Holzman teams. Phil Jackson played for those teams. Melo hasn’t got a clue how to play winning basketball. Phil tried to teach him but he cared too much about his own brand. Let’s hope that when the Clippers leave town tonight after the game that victimMelo is with them.

    I mean, who the fuck goes on Instagram to argue with a fan over their “elite” status? That’s some Donald Trump type shit.

    It’s tempting to think a player can be oh so much better if only he passed more or hustled more on defense. But passing more won’t turn Melo into a different player. Last year, when he hit an all-time high in assists at 4/36, his overall advanced-metric offensive #s were below his career averages. It’s possible that, for some players, forcing yourself to pass more than what comes naturally counter-intuitively reduces TS%. It almost always increases TOV%, as it did for Melo. And defensive “hustle” is something that probably feels more malleable than it is. I’ve actually seen more players improve their shooting or shot blocking than suddenly go from slack defenders to intense defenders.

    The grit and insane win-first drive we attribute to truly great players is usually either (1) as hard to summon by fiat as vertical leap or (2) bullshit. Sure, Jordan and Bird and KG had it and Kobe faked it, but most of the all-time great championship players would be considered drive-deficient except they were so good at basketball it didn’t matter, and often led to very favorable narratives about their so called winning characters. In many ways Magic, Lebron, Shaq and Kareem would be considered even less Kevin Ding-winners than Melo if they, too, had merely been good and not all-time NBA talents. Personally, I think if you put Scottie Pippen’s personality into Melo’s body, you probably get a worse basketball player than actual Melo. Pippen’s edge over Melo is like Melo’s edge over Al Harrington; there’s just no “if only he did a bit more of X and Y” available to bridge the gap.

    He is a pretty good player and we gave him an inalienable max deal past his prime. And by we I mean Phil. Saying Phil “values” telling it like he sees it is just a euphemism for “Phil’s a Dick.”

    Melo may be too sensitive, but he didn’t give himself the deal that crippled the Knicks for years to come. The person who did that seems to be free of blame.

    Melo signed the deal. He knew what he was getting into.

    @44

    I don’t agree, I, for one, will only forget about Phil’s terrible decisions if he manages to transform the franchise via the 2017 draft.

    if he doesn’t, he’ll go down as another fucking horrible Knicks gm in a long history of those.

    Last year, when he hit an all-time high in assists at 4/36, his overall advanced-metric offensive #s were below his career averages.

    Though his WS/48 that season was the best its been since his surgery. I think that was Melo trending in the right direction for his post-knee surgery career. But, alas, he still thinks of himself as the type of player he was in 2007 and not the player he’s aged into becoming in 2017.

    42: Blame yourself for the past 2 seasons. I am sick of his smugness and his all-mighty persona that gives off the vibe of “if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else because I have ringz”.

    But he does have rings. He knows how to win. He has actually won. 13 times. He’s not the one who refuses to play defense, pass the ball or ignore the plays that the coach calls.

    @50

    why, you’re leaving the Knicks to cheer for whatever team Melo is in?

    you’re welcome.

    ras loves name calling lol. You need help man. Good luck with KP and phil tho.

    LOL I notice you didn’t deny the evidence. Good, means you know I am right about the sand in his vagina but won’t admit it.

    why, you’re leaving the Knicks to cheer for whatever team Melo is in?

    God, I hope so. We need less fans like this.

    I just don’t care to argue about another mans feelings. I’ll leave that to you 🙂

    @55

    why, you’re leaving the Knicks to cheer for whatever team Melo is in?

    Nope. I’m just curious to see what’s gonna happen. Beloved “twitter phil” is here. So I’m just curious. I will root for melo, but I’m not gonna not root for the Knicks. Like I said ” I can’t shake this narcotic” I just want to see who the new scapegoat is

    I just don’t care to argue about another mans feelings. I’ll leave that to you 🙂

    Except you already did.

    Yeah melo sure has been soft….lol keep talking you sound dumber by the minute. Melo isn’t Trump. He handles the NY bullshit pretty wells

    LOL. Jesus, man.

    Secretly awaiting for KP to be scrutinized by the NY media is pretty lame, even for a Melo sychophant.

    @58

    honestly, do you even read the site before making these kinds of statements?

    ras is pretty much the only one sorta kinda maybe defending Phil, and reub of course… pretty much every single other poster has been bashing him in many ways, how is he “beloved twitter phil”?

    people just don’t care if he’s mean to Melo, and why the hell should we?

    Dan Gilbert wrote a motherfucking comic sans letter calling LeBron’s decision a “cowardly betrayal” and he still went back to the Cavs, why should we care about Phils vague tweeting?

    Except you already did.

    Yes I responded once and then you said” notice you didn’t deny” yes I’m not gonna keep responding about it. I’m fine

    people just don’t care if he’s mean to Melo, and why the hell should we?

    Because Melo is a stoic warrior who sacrificed everything to play in NYC and braved multiple terrible coaches and teammates to bring us a championship….Bwahahahahahaha….I am sorry….I couldn’t type that Melo brand nonsense without laughing.

    Secretly awaiting for KP to be scrutinized by the NY media is pretty lame, even for a Melo sychophant.

    Spoken like a true KP sychophant …I’ve never said that.

    Yes I responded once and then you said” notice you didn’t deny” yes I’m not gonna keep responding about it. I’m fine

    So long as you admit you took up the issue and argued with me.

    Spoken like a true KP sychopant….I’ve never said that.

    Oh really?

    I can’t wait til melo is gone. God bless you KP, you gonna a need it

    You just insinuated it.

    Yeah that sounds like I’m wishing ill on someone. …… that is me wishing him well. Fucking moron

    Melo’s always been soft and hypersensitive. He was never the match for this city that he branded himself as. This bullshit about him being a NY guy is so overrated. It all about his brand and the perception of him as this true NYer rather than the reality of who he is as a player. When I think of Knicks basketball his game is the antithesis of what that has meant during its glory days whether it was the unselfish Red Holzman teams of the late 1960s and early 70s or the grizzled defensive oriented Riley-Van Gundy squads of the 1990s.

    Exactly.

    And for anyone complaining that PJ is arrogant because he has rings, I would argue instead that he’s arrogant because he has convinced many far better players than Melo to simply “do what the coach says.”

    George Karl ~ “Melo is uncoachable”
    Mike D’Antoni ~ “Melo is uncoachable”
    Derek Fisher ~ “Melo is uncoachable”
    Jeff Hornacek ~ “Melo is uncoachable”
    Phil Jackson ~ “Melo is uncoachable”

    The only guy Melo liked was Woodson, and he’s welcome to that offense, but I don’t want it.

    The funny/sad thing about how supposedly maligned Melo is playing for the Knicks is how contrary that narrative is to the actual truth of the matter. I can’t think of another franchise which would have paid that much money, given up so many assets, and fired that many coaches to accommodate a player as underachieving as Melo’s been for us the past 6-7 seasons. If anything he should thank his stars he plays for the Knicks. He’s never been held accountable for his hype while here by management until Phil took him to the woodshed.

    Fucking moron

    LOL. Now who’s namecalling? You have a problem, aside from your worship of mediocrity.

    PS – Its clear what you’re insinuating. You can’t wait for Melo to leave NYC so the media can turn its sights on someone else. You mentioned two people in your posts – Phil and KP.

    Dan Gilbert wrote a motherfucking comic sans letter calling LeBron’s decision a “cowardly betrayal” and he still went back to the Cavs, why should we care about Phils vague tweeting?

    Because Dan Gilbert is in Cleveland and Phil Jackson is in NYC. Different rules for different places. You can get away with a lot more in a small town media market than you do here where every decision is hyper-scrutinized.

    On another subject, De’Aaron Fox looks like he could be really good. I wouldn’t mind drafting him if we have the chance. Super fast, smart and long. Plays defense. His shot seems to be coming around nicely.

    @71

    100 percent agree. So glad Phil finally insinuated it. Melo doesn’t even deserve to have it said to his face in a year where the only two Hall of Fame coaches (Karl and Phil) he was ever associated professionally with have dogged him for his attitude.

    Reminder: One week ago, I posted advanced metrics comparing Melo (his best year) and Gordon Hayward (this year). Despite clear evidence that Hayward’s current year was better across the board to Melo’s peak year, “er” still tried to argue that current Melo is better than current Hayward.

    And PS — I’m inclined to HATE Phil Jackson. I’ve been a Knicks fan since 1988, so Bulls/Lakers were and will be the enemies forever. I always, always, always, hated Jackson and thought he was a smug prick. In this fight with Melo, though, I think he’s absolutely right.

    @79

    He was trying to argue this team was built to contend for a playoff run not too long ago. Notice he hasn’t said much on the issue lately.

    Phil’s obviously a prick and if he thinks this “strategy” of ticking off Melo is going to help his trade value, he’s got another thing coming. The only leverage the Knicks have with other teams in Melo talks are that they feel comfortable just toughing out Melo til the end of his contract if they don’t get a good enough offer, which kind of forces, say, the Clippers hand if they really want him.

    It’s clear now that Melo is a goner and Phil will do most anything to get rid of him, which will probably lot torpedo any super advantageous trades we could have gotten.

    His “strategies”–if he ever has had a strategy l–always blow up in his face. The one positive thing about this situation is that Phil is so good at bungling situations that they result in tanks and Gaines is so good at scouting that we just might end up failing upward.

    Melo is Melo. If phil thought he could change him, that’s arrogance. If he knew he couldn’t, he should’ve been sign and traded to the Bulls immediately. Melos been quite committed to this team and I don’t resent him for that. But his game sucks and he takes some share of responsibility for the team’s poor performance and PJ isn’t wrong in that regard. But PJ has failed in communicating literally anything at all in a healthy way. However, I don’t want him to go if he trades Melo for the simple fact that by all indications Gaines is really good at drafting and if Phil manages to survive this mess and fire sale the whole team then it’s possible– not probable, but possible–that we could do a full rebuild for the first time in 30 years. Because any other GM that Dolan brings in would not be able to survive the shit storm Phil is deservedly weathering at the moment and would be heavily incentivized to win unless Dolan suddenly decides to become smart, which isn’t happening.

    This has been our most entertaining year in a long time. And it’s going to get even better. Embrace it.

    Phil’s obviously a prick and if he thinks this “strategy” of ticking off Melo is going to help his trade value, he’s got another thing coming.

    I think Phil already has useful (if not blockbuster) offers from teams that Melo would reject. That might be the logic behind his strategy to make Melo unhappy. Plus he’s clearly fed up (aren’t we all?).

    Sadly, Melo could easily be a “sixth man of the year” somewhere (even a championship team). And if he embraced this role, no one would ask for any defense … ever.

    Maybe Phil can get Melo’s Olympic friends worked up enough to want to save him from the prick by trading for him?

    @86 I do remember seeing somewhere that Melo recently rejected a possible trade to Toronto.

    There’s not really any excuse for subtweeting about one of your players, especially when you’re trying to trade him. Even if you don’t think he’s being a dick because Melo has culpability it’s just dumb. There’s a reason 29 other GMs don’t do it.

    I don’t have a ton of sympathy for Melo either. When he signed a huge contract with an NTC as a meh player with a bad team, he probably should’ve figured things could get ugly.

    I’m in the camp that says trade Melo/Lee/KOQ etc. and then see what Phil can do with a rebuild. His moves geared towards the long-term have been his best so far.

    There’s a reason 29 other GMs don’t do it.

    Because they can’t. Phil has the benefit of not giving a fuck. It helps in a situation like this when everyone is against you for trying to do the right thing.

    I know that I heard it or read it somewhere but it wasn’t on that podcast.
    And for those calling Phil a prick, don’t you think that Phil has exhausted all of his other means of persuasion with Melo before resorting to this tweet? I can only imagine how many conversations he’s had with him about improving his selfish game and possible trade scenarios. I mean the guy’s making $25 mil and won’t run back on defense or run the plays that the coach calls for?

    don’t you think that Phil has exhausted all of his other means of persuasion with Melo before resorting to this tweet? I can only imagine how many conversations he’s had with him about improving his selfish game and possible trades. I mean the guys making $25 mil and won’t run back on defense or run the plays that the coach calls for?

    Yup.

    And — I actually think PJ’s hope was that Noah would kind of shame Melo into realizing there’s no I in Team. Didn’t work out that way because … we’re a few years late on Noah.

    And for those calling Phil a prick, don’t you think that Phil has exhausted all of his other means of persuasion with Melo before resorting to this tweet?

    He could have exhausted the option where he doesn’t give a clearly undeserving player a huge contract with a full no trade clause. Anything that happens after that is primarily his fault. I don’t understand the idea that this is somehow going to make Melo more amenable to what Phil wants to do. The opposite is a lot more intuitive.

    LOL Noah can’t even shame Rose into believing there is no “I” in “Team.”

    It’s pretty clear that Melo doesn’t care about what Noah, Phil, Horny, Fisher, Lee, or anyone else has to say about his game. He isn’t changing. Melo gonna do Melo.

    I would like to point out that Phil never said anything about Melo in the tweet. Melo’s name isn’t in the tweet at all. He was primarily refuting the general notion of the article that stated Phil thought he could change the nature of a player. Phil’s tweet basically said he learned way back in the day that you couldn’t really do that. He never said Melo’s name at all.

    I get that people want to jump to conclusions and I do think Phil was throwing some shade at Melo. But he didn’t really bash the dude. Just said that he learned a long time ago that you can’t change people’s nature which is a pretty normal philosophy on human nature for someone to believe.

    WTF Phil?

    Before resigning with Clippers, Rivers said Knicks were on his short list. Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek even visited his house.— Laura Albanese (@AlbaneseLaura) February 8, 2017

    Austin Rivers said when Jackson and Hornacek made their pitch to him in offseason, they were excited about his speed and working w/ Rose.— Laura Albanese (@AlbaneseLaura) February 8, 2017

    Anyway, a loss tonight would be ideal since there are 3 teams ahead of us right now with exactly 32 losses, but I think it’s more important that Melo has a good game. We know Doc is disproportionately influenced by performances against him. Hopefully it’s like the Atlanta game where Melo scores 45 and we lose.

    Id be fine with Fox, really, he looks like he’ll be at least an above average starter in the league for decades.

    Really insane how good the top half of the draft is. Fox would be a top 5 pick most years.

    Fox looks like a PG with potential to grow into an occasional all-star if he improves that shot. I wouldn’t mind having him aboard at all. But I think we should aim higher this draft.

    Recent mock draft has us selecting De’Aaron Fox at 11th overall

    That’s amazing that he’s currently going that low. Hopefully they lose enough that they can be in a position to say, “Nah, we’re good. We have an even better player” to Fox, who is a fine player in his own right.

    Micheal Graham has now chimed in on the cryptic Phil tweet.

    “I wouldn’t say a leopard can’t change his spots,” Graham told The Daily News on Wednesday. “My life is good. I’m married, I have children, I’m a business owner and I have a foundation that helps kids in the D.C. area. I’m good.”

    “Phil is the master of the mind games. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. But I appreciate the love. He woke up the dead.”

    “He knows the game,” Graham says of Jackson. “He can be a little weird at times but overall he was a good guy. I tried my best to learn a lot from him. I never understood trying to run that triangle.

    “I realize he wanted me to rebound. That was my strength. He didn’t want me to score. I still don’t know why my name would come up in a conversation about him and Melo.”

    “I really wasn’t thinking about the basketball part of it,” he said. “I had to focus on the things I needed to do. I didn’t remember him cutting me. We went out to play in West Virginia and he called me into his room. He looked upset. He told me I was being traded to the team we were playing that night. And that was it.”

    “I would tell Carmelo continue to play hard and play for the Knicks,” Graham said. “Phil Jackson doesn’t own the team. Don’t pay attention to that. I know it’s hard. Just stay true to yourself.”

    I’m pretty confident in saying that we’ll end up with Fox or Ntilikina if we end up picking 10th or so

    I’m pretty alright with that outcome

    Mock drafts seem to have both Miles Bridges and Malik Monk going in the top 10; I see this changing around draft time. Both the aforementioned will fall, thus pushing Fox and Ntilikina up. Hope I’m wrong about that. Regardless, priority #1 should be about improving our draft position. A guy like Ball, whose game I absolutely love, only comes around so often.

    Truth is that after a top 3 of Ball, Isaac, and Fultz you’re looking at a second-tier of talent that is pretty interchangeable from around 4-12th. Players like Smith/Fox/Ntilikina are comparable to one degree or another. Markannen, Giles and Tatum each have their pros and cons. Monk and Jackson are very divisive.

    Hell..if Melo would accept a trade to Toronto, I’d do a Melo/Jennings/Ndour for Ross/Joseph/Sully/Cabocio in a heartbeat. I wouldn’t even ask for picks, as the return haul is still young enough to evolve as players. Seems like a win-win to me

    Does NBAdraft just do based on skill? In other words, they don’t take the needs of the team into account yet, do they?

    It appears that way. They have Ntilikina going to the Sixers, despite the Sixers not really having a need for his skillset. Ditto for the previously mentioned Giles – Knicks pick.

    Yeah, that makes sense. I don’t have a problem with that, really, as we’re so far away from the actual draft. Their way probably the best way to do it, honestly.

    Does NBAdraft just do based on skill? In other words, they don’t take the needs of the team into account yet, do they?

    No, they do not.

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    Individual team needs are not factored into the mock draft until after the NBA season ends. NBADraft.net has been projecting the NBA draft since 2000.

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    I can actually see Ntilikina on the Sixers. They could use another 3 and D type guard. The other draft I linked had Monk on their board. I agree about us and Giles though. Bad match.

    they don’t Brian, just skill level.

    I don’t think Monk is dropping anytime soon, many teams will be enticed by his ability to put up pointzz and Im sure many will have him ahead of Fox for example in their draft boards.

    I’d be more comfortable with a pick around 8th if we can’t crack the top 5, because there might be a world where the top 8 pick gives us a choice between Fox and if we’re incredibly lucky Isaac.

    its pretty feasible that Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Smith, Monk and Giles or Markkanen could be the top 7 picks, specially since some lottery teams are pretty set in the guard department and might overvalue someone like Tatum, Markkanen or Giles.

    Isaac should be a top 3 player, but this might just be one of those drafts.

    Possibly. Certainly, Convington is not the one that’s gonna get it done, just look at that TS%. Yikes. I like Malik Monk for the Sixers and Fultz would fit in with that team beautifully.

    @119

    My hope is that they draft a combo like Markannen and Monk and don’t get anyone who is elite level on their team. Markannen makes sense as a stretch 4 to pair with Embiid, Monk should be an off the ball shooter who will go nicely with a ball dominant C and SF.

    The Sixers are dangerous for the Knicks because they most certainly won’t get a top 3 pick with they way they are playing (the lakers pick they have is top 3 protected), and Ball and Fultz seem to be locks for top 3 spots… if the Lakers pick in the top 3, they might get like the 7th overall and draft Fox ahead of us, because PG is a major need still for them.

    I’m actually okay with DeAaron Fox, because he looks at the very least like he’s going to be an NBA starter based on his defensive ability. We’ve been watching shitty point guard defense here with the Knicks for a really long time now. I could really go for a swarming defensive PG and Fox is definitely that.

    I think Giles’ stock is falling pretty precipitously and I’m pretty sure he’s considering staying another year.

    He hasn’t been particularly good coming back from injury.

    Phil Jackson thought it was a good idea to give Melo the max plus a NTC.

    He also thought giving Noah a 4-year contract for 72M was for the benefit of the team.

    He salivated at the opportunity to spend $21 on Rose.

    He loved the idea of giving Lance Thomas his silly contract.

    He obviously loves paying for useless Vujacic.

    Phil Jackson surely has the best intentions, but this mess clearly shows he is not fit for his position.

    He is far more harmful to the Knicks than Melo. He has done far more damage than Melo.

    Both need to go.

    Fox excels at areas with high carry over from college to the NBA (rebounds, assists, and steals) so he’s a good bet to be a productive player. Would definitely take him over Tatum and Monk. I hope either both of those guys are off the board when we pick or, preferably, we pick so high they aren’t in the discussion.

    We keep freefalling we won’t have to worry about it much. We could be top 6 and pick and have access to Ntilikina or Fox.

    Because he plays like a worse version of Melo

    or at least that’s what I see in Taytum

    Why are people so down on Tatum? Genuinely asking.

    That whole Duke team has been a major disappointment to everyone including Coach K and Tatum doesn’t even look like the best player on it to be honest.

    Yeah, I’m totally fine with Fox. But obviously they should keep reaching for the stars.

    Seems like Tatum has the potential to be a + plus defender on the NBA level but I hear you.

    Word is that if Anunoby decides to declare eligible for the draft his stock would drop to somewheres around 17-25th on the board. It would be so worth trying to get him.

    I wouldn’t want Tatum on the Knicks, but I think some team would still draft him high because of his pedigree… they will argue that this Duke team has a lot of issues with Coach K leaving and all.

    Giles is a different case because of the injury issues, but I can’t see him dropping too much because he’s pretty much the only high potential big man around.

    Word is that if Anunoby decides to declare eligible for the draft his stock would drop to somewheres around 17-25th on the board. It would be so worth trying to get him.

    Very much so.

    A Ntilikina/Fox + Anunoby draft would be a major coup for us. That’s where trading a Kyle O’Quinn for a mid-round selection would make a whooooole lot of sense for us.

    I’m not that interested in Tatum. He might be a good player but there are so many other guys that would be better/more exciting fits next to KP.

    If we’re in the 5-10 range I’d rather have Fox, Ntilikina, or Monk (any of the top5 guys if they slip).

    Side note, how funny would it be to draft markannen and build an offense around 7′ European dudes running around screen for catch and shoot 3s?

    A Ntilikina/Fox + Anunoby draft would be a major coup for us. That’s where trading a Kyle O’Quinn for a mid-round selection would make a whooooole lot of sense for us.

    Definitely, but I guess my “concern” there is who is selling a pick in the late teens in such a good draft for O’Quinn?

    I could see OKC, Washington, or Toronto trading their pick (or Toronto’s Clippers pick) for KOQ

    Definitely, but I guess my “concern” there is who is selling a pick in the late teens in such a good draft for O’Quinn?

    Word is that the talent level falls way off after Rabb at around the 13th pick. Considering Anunoby’s greater risk/reward a serviceable backup big man like O’Quinn might be what a team wants by then, especially for a contender in need of an NBA ready contributor. From our perspecive it would make more sense for us to take that risk considering our higher pick, need and lower status.

    I was thinking less about O’Quinn’s worth and more about who is in the draft at that specific point. What are the standings looking like right now? Who would be picking in the #17-20 range?

    Denver, Charlotte, Chicago, Indiana, Washington DC, and Denver all consecutively pick from #15-20 according to the current NBA standings.

    It should be noted that if we do pick Fox/Anunoby though it would mean we’re investing our draft capital in two previously injured knees.

    You can forget Denver or Chicago. Toronto doesn’t make sense bc they already have Nogueira. And Washington has Mahinmi back now. Okc could definitely use him though they’d be dumb to trade a 1 for him since they’re not close. I think the Celtics could actually use him and the Wiz could maybe use Courtney Lee.

    @145

    OKC picks 22nd. I think they’d be interested if we’re fortunate enough for Anunoby to fall in the tail end of the 17-25th range that’s been projected. Another interesting trade partner would be #14 in the Bucks. I think they could use some more bigman help after Hawes and Hibbert.

    This draft is loaded and I predict that there will be future All Stars drafted in the second round.

    Milwaukee’s been playing terribly but it could be to their benefit. They’re very close to being in the range for an Ivan Rabb. Imagine a Rabb, Paker, Antetokounmpo frontcourt? It would be pretty hellacious moving forward.

    It should be noted that if we do pick Fox/Anunoby though it would mean we’re investing our draft capital in two previously injured knees.

    Fox had a major knee injury?

    “I don’t know. Call them (the Knicks),” Rivers said. “We don’t have Carmelo. I swear to God we don’t. He plays for the Knicks. So that’s your story, and that’s the way we leave it. You can ask us about our guys. Carmelo is not on our team.”

    If we still have Melo here after the trade deadline then I would definitely not start him any longer. He can come off the bench or just watch. It’s time to move on.

    If we still have Melo here after the trade deadline then I would definitely not start him any longer. He can come off the bench or just watch. It’s time to move on.

    We need him to tank so I’d start him. But benching him sure would light a fire under his ass for a trade.

    I said literally a few hours ago that it takes some seriously warped logic to think pissing off Melo would make him more amenable to Phil’s plans (comment 94).

    Phil isn’t playing 4D chess. He’s just an incompetent, impulsive moron. He should run for President.

    Welp, it’s february, so I’m making my annual pilgrimage over here to KB to see if Melo is going to be traded, and wow, there’s actually a chance that he is?! That’s cool.

    And the media is calling on Dolan to intervene and get it done?? That’s less cool.

    (I also notice that most of the names posting on this threat I’ve never seen before. Have all the old-timers finally given up, leaving the blog to a new generation of masochistic fans?)

    Good luck as the deadline approaches, y’all!

    Jackson has resisted a transparent approach of simply meeting with Anthony and his representative and telling them that the organization prefers to trade him and wants to work to find an agreeable solution. That approach might have convinced Anthony to be more open to accepting a trade, league sources said, but Jackson’s insistence on public over private communication has severely damaged the relationship – likely beyond repair.

    It makes a lot of sense honestly- we know Melo is a stubborn guy. It’s not hard to see why trying to passive aggressively shove him out would just piss him off. I continue to think Phil has played this entirely wrong. There’s such an easy positive case to be made to Melo for why he should waive the NTC, it just makes so much sense for both him and the franchise from a basketball perspective. Yes he has personal reasons to want to stay, but his basketball career has maybe 3-4 years left in it. I think there’s a lot higher chance of selling him on the benefits of waiving the clause than there ever was of antagonizing him out. I just don’t think Phil knows what he’s doing.

    I’m telling you all… nuclear option is to waive him in early July and laugh when the Kings pick him up before he clears. It’s what’s best for the team. Just not worth the risk that he hurts himself and opts in nor the distraction.

    I wonder too what the hell Melo would do in summer 2018 when he has that opt out assuming he is still healthy and relatively productive and Phil is still here. Does he opt in just to screw Jackson over?

    Man, if Phil fucks this up I won’t forgive or defend him. That’s all I can say.

    Honestly, we’ll never know what’s going on behind the scenes. Maybe Phil has only been passively aggressively trying to move Melo. Maybe Melo has never wanted to be traded and is blaming Phil for him staying. If Melo wants to stay here and keep sucking there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

    "Phil, you suck as an executive" – Tracy McGrady highly critical of Phil Jackson's handling of Carmelo Anthony (ESPN) …— NY Knicks (@KnicksRChamps) February 8, 2017

    Melo has no reason to give a fuck what Phil Jackson thinks. We know from a whole bunch of his previous career decisions that he doesn’t care much about winning (would’ve waited until the offseason to sign with the Knicks/said he was only re-signing with them, would’ve went to Chicago/Houston, etc.). Because of the NTC, Melo can literally just be like “What’d Phil say today? Haha, that’s hilarious. Well I’m still not leaving” while the team festers in mediocrity.

    There’s a reason NTCs are so rare, and usually reserved for truly elite players when they are given out. Melo will continue to chuck and not play defense for the duration of the five-year contract Phil offered him, and Phil has no one to blame but himself.

    There’s a reason NTCs are so rare, and usually reserved for truly elite players when they are given out. Melo will continue to chuck and not play defense for the duration of the five-year contract Phil offered him, and Phil has no one to blame but himself.

    Our tank is almost secured. Jonathan Isaac this year and Luka Donkic the next.

    I mean, if Melo wanted to be traded so he could win or make more money, but decided not to because Phil did a bitchy tweet, he’s a fucking idiot. Which doesn’t absolve Phil of also being an idiot.

    If Melo isn’t gone by the trade deadline and Phil hasn’t moved any other players like KOQ for assets Phil should be fired.

    This is a golden opportunity to turn the franchise around and Phil is by all indications bungling the fuck out of it.

    I don’t buy this. What, is he just gonna wag his finger back and forth when the Garden crowd incessantly boos him for the next 3 years?

    Also if Melo doesn’t leave I’m ~75% sure that Phil is gonna get the axe from Dolan

    At this point the Knicks are only big enough for one of them to be there.

    (I also notice that most of the names posting on this threat I’ve never seen before. Have all the old-timers finally given up, leaving the blog to a new generation of masochistic fans?)

    when all that is left to talk about is just how bad and embarrassing the situation is for the knicks – i think this time of year a whole lot of folks start “checking out”…unfortunately – it seems like you can reliably mark the beginning of february as the end of the knicks season just about every year…

    i’m pretty well aware i’m not the smartest guy here (particularly in regards to the whole statistical analysis stuff – geez, hope i’m not the dumbest :-), i guess ignorance can be bliss – but, when posters started explaining how the addition of rose was such a bad fit along with melo due to poor defense, high usage, low efficiency rates – it kinda made sense to me that most likely that move wouldn’t work out so well (i was hoping for the best though)…

    when folks started writing about noah’s contract being a big mistake based on his recent performance; and, that most likely his performance and availability would do nothing but continue to decline…i was hoping not – but, that also kinda made sense…

    my point being – despite what we call the rational/realistic/pessimistic posters – they were right – on just about all accounts…

    to which, there is really only one person whom should assume full responsibility for this situation…’ol big chief dysfunction has got to go sooner rather than later…he has really sucked at bringing in good free agents that “fit” on the team…holding on to our draft choices and doing well with the draft and a couple of cheap free agents has been about all the good he’s done…

    heres’ to now hoping he’s fired before he does any more damage…considering how very little seems to go right with the knicks – i’m sure he’ll stay…

    This —

    I mean, if Melo wanted to be traded so he could win or make more money, but decided not to because Phil did a bitchy tweet, he’s a fucking idiot. Which doesn’t absolve Phil of also being an idiot.

    And — Bench Melo. Solved. Trade partners are not going to “forget” how he plays. He becomes a martyr. He moves on with a positive re-birth narrative for his brand. We get back to basketball.

    I don’t buy this. What, is he just gonna wag his finger back and forth when the Garden crowd incessantly boos him for the next 3 years?

    That’s the million dollar question. I don’t know if he can stand it.

    If he continues to suck (despite his points) and refuses to be traded then why not bench him? But I really hope that CP3 talks some sense into him.

    because im an asshole… i say bench him… and actually hope that we win… would put a big smile on my face… sorry

    Last 2 years Melo got a decent pass bc of the rebuild/lack of talent. This year was about him. It's Melo before Phil. Has to be.— Tommy Dee (@ThomasCDee) February 8, 2017

    @176 Just don’t start him. He comes on once a half, chucks up his 10 shots, and goes back off. He’ll be playing against second team defenders (which he will love), and he’ll get his points as the main offensive option. Of course Hornacek says ~ “No way is Melo in the doghouse. We just love the mismatches we can get for him coming off the bench. Look how much easier he’s scoring. It works.”

    The value is to test Hornacek’s “system” (if he has one) and put lineups around KP (without Melo) that might actually be building blocks for the future (i.e. players that pass/cut/defend/rebound).

    Phil Jackson is a terrible executive and I’m ashamed of his actions as the face of the franchise. Say what you want about Carmelo Anthony on the floor, but off the floor he has represented the franchise about as well as you could ask him to. Phil Jackson antagonizes his franchise player (the same one he gave a NTC to), refuses to make himself available to the media, and put together a lottery team committed to a bunch of 30 year olds. He needs to be fired. I don’t care if we keep Melo around at this point. Phil Jackson needs to go and he needs to go now.

    Glad to see how the blog is coming around to the idea of benching (or starting him off the bench) Melo until he becomes trade-friendly.

    I suggested it a few weeks ago and was roundly rejected.

    Reality is setting in.

    According to Woj, Melo is refusing to let Phil Jackson run him out of town.

    Phil Jackson sucks, guys. Lets wrap it up and fire him. He hasn’t had a good day since the 2015 NBA Draft.

    Are you wimps committed to a tank or are you talking out your asses? Melo must play and play until it hurts for us to sink to the top of the lottery.

    The right course of action is to fire Phil Jackson and let a more capable GM handle the Melo affair.

    If I were Melo I would reach out to Dolan and demand that Phil be fired immediately as a condition to start trade negotiations.

    Clarence Gaines must be allowed to navigate this upcoming draft. Its imperative.

    I would like to point out that Phil never said anything about Melo in the tweet. Melo’s name isn’t in the tweet at all. He was primarily refuting the general notion of the article that stated Phil thought he could change the nature of a player. Phil’s tweet basically said he learned way back in the day that you couldn’t really do that. He never said Melo’s name at all.

    I get that people want to jump to conclusions and I do think Phil was throwing some shade at Melo. But he didn’t really bash the dude. Just said that he learned a long time ago that you can’t change people’s nature which is a pretty normal philosophy on human nature for someone to believe.

    Pretty much my reaction. But I’m reading stuff like how Phil “blasted” Melo with that remark (I think that one may have been Fox Sports). Blasted? What?

    At least the Amar’e/Melo Knicks had a brief moment of competency before unraveling into chaos. The Phil Jackson have just sucked straight on through, with no end in sight to the sucking.

    I was foolish enough to think that maybe, just MAYBE Phil had a clue what he was doing. Until the Derrick Rose trade. That was the moment when he was revealed without any doubt to be a moron.

    @188 ….. lottery yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes, but I feel like we are wasting the opportunity to get to know our current assets’ value, coach included.

    Instead of just writing fantasies here, we should find out if Billy can start next to KP and thrive against another team’s first unit. We should find out if Kuz can guard starters on other teams. We should find out if Lee (or Thomas) is the right spot-up shooter for this group. We should find out if Jennings or Baker can run the first team the way Hornacek draws it up. Let them fail, but get this information BEFORE the trade deadline and the draft, so we know what pieces we really need.

    As for tank, those guys will lose plenty of games before they figure out how to play as a unit (if they even do). Right now we keep seeing flashes of good play and fourth quarter comebacks in garbage time, but that tells us absolutely nothing about how good they would be if “necessary.” And it’s perfectly sensible to do this testing while “saying” it’s not at all about Melo v. Phil.

    @185 How has a player who refuses to try on defense, won’t pass and won’t run the plays that the coach has called representing the franchise well? I don’t care if he’s Mother Teresa off the court.

    He may hang with LBJ and CP3 but he’s not in their league.

    This is all a ruse by the two-headed monster Philmelo to create more demand for a trade. Now Clippers and Cavaliers can’t play it cool and will panic to make a deal now with Carmelo playing hard to get. Brilliant 5th Dimensional Chess move here. You heard it from me first.

    @185 How has a player who refuses to try on defense, won’t pass and won’t run the plays that the coach has called representing the franchise well? I don’t care if he’s Mother Teresa off the court.

    +1

    Pretty much my reaction. But I’m reading stuff like how Phil “blasted” Melo with that remark (I think that one may have been Fox Sports). Blasted? What?

    I remember back in 2003:

    “Just knowing his character, he’s a fugazy guy. I read a comment that Jason Richardson said nobody wants to mess with a pit bull, but I’ve never seen a pit bull who picks and chooses who he wants to bite,” Thomas said.

    “He’s fugazy as far as the whole tough guy role. You get techs and you get fines and that makes you tough? Because your game is wild and crazy, that makes you tough? When a scuffle breaks out, you have 13 guys that can protect you. When it’s you and someone else, what happens then?

    Thomas added, “Somebody call Don King and hook it up for us.”

    How could Kenyon Martin be offended? He never literally used the name “Kenyon Martin” in those statements.

    How has a player who refuses to try on defense, won’t pass and won’t run the plays that the coach has called

    This is the last time I will mention melo here. Statements like this are hyperbole. I’ve said this before, I honestly think melo is just not “good” at defense. He does dog it on d at times but so do most of the nba. He’s missing something on that end and I don’t think it’s 100% effort. He’s very similar to amare on d. He gets lucky and makes good plays from time to time. And melo passes. He’s not a distributor like Lebron but no one is. He shoots too much and that’s because he thinks he can make any and every shot. “Irrational confidence” a confluence of things such as getting drafted by den instead of Detroit, as well as not going to Miami have changed his rep. If he was in Miami instead of Bosh he would be held in much higher esteem. Things are what they are. He doesn’t have the top ball iq like cp3 or Lebron, so he’s not gonna dissect a game the way they do. He needed to play with a guy like cp3…..(smh at the Billups amnesty).

    It is what it is. He’s a flawed player who has mistakenly always been the most talented player on his teams

    I mean, if Melo wanted to be traded so he could win or make more money, but decided not to because Phil did a bitchy tweet, he’s a fucking idiot. Which doesn’t absolve Phil of also being an idiot.

    It’s not about that one tweet. According to Woj, Phil hasn’t even talked through the options with Melo. The last time they talked was probably that meeting a few weeks ago when Melo said he wanted to stay. Instead of trying to convince him otherwise face-to-face, Phil began his media offensive which has clearly been counterproductive.

    This isn’t about sympathy for Melo. He’s a multimillionaire who’s been a largely negative influence on the Knicks. I’m not crying for the guy. Phil Jackson is just dumb and even when he stumbles into having the right objective, he has no idea how to achieve it.

    The one positive of all of these years of sucking is that I’ve learned to speculate as little as possible about the myriad ways that the Knicks could be a better team through trade or free agency. There are net-positive trades to be made, but the Knicks will not make them. There are net-positive signings to be made, but again, the Knicks will not make those, either. 202 posts and maybe three of them will accurately predict whatever shitty move this front office will make next.

    I’ve also learned not to care that much. This team is garbage and is owned by human garbage. There is no upside to any of this. Melo will get traded for a sack of potatoes or he’ll play out the rest of his contract on 35-win teams and smart-sounding idiots like Mr. ruruland will write hagiographies about how the Knicks could have been a perennial contender if and only if they had A, B, C, D, and E. All of it will be for nothing.

    Fuck Phil Jackson, fuck James Dolan and fuck anyone bothering to defend this franchise. When’s the draft?

    You guys are so silly, falling for the Philmelo cover story. This was already coordinated between both parties the moment the Clippers and Cavaliers refused to give Phil what he wanted for Melo. Now that it seems Melo is off the market his friends will put the pressure on their front office employees to push for a deal.

    You heard it from me first.

    Man, if Phil fucks this up I won’t forgive or defend him. That’s all I can say.

    Just curious, what does “fucking it up” constitute in this scenario? What would he need to do that would make you think he fucked it up?

    Haven’t you guys ever seen the Star Wars prequels? Remember when Senator Palpatine escalated a war between the Separatists and Republic to create a Galactic Empire? His brilliant scheme was to play both sides against each other in an epic interplanetary war as he expanded his power to become an emperor. The key part of that plan was for him to pretend to be a Senator and a Sith Lord on opposite sides of the conflict. Its the same principal with Philmelo. They have joined forces to feud in public while they join forces behind the scenes to both get what they want.

    You heard it from me first.

    Come on jowles, if you look at that 14.5 game stretch in 2004 when Melo had a .646 ts%, you can see that all Melo needs is a penetrating pg like Felton and a stretch 4 like Bargnani and he’s on the same plane as a guy like Durant or Dirk.

    Oh and reps and synergy and spacing

    Just curious, what does “fucking it up” constitute in this scenario? What would he need to do that would make you think he fucked it up?

    Either no Melo trade either at the deadline/this offseason or getting fired and replaced by Dolan before he can make it happen.

    @er re: Melo

    I pretty much 100% agree. Nice post.

    @Derrick re: the secret scheme to up offers from LAC & CLE

    I wish that were true, but it doesn’t really make sense to me. If you’re a real estate agent, you don’t tell the potential buyer, “oops, looks like this house is off the market,” because all that does is cause the buyer to look elsewhere. You say, “wow, look at this offer that just came in.”

    I wish that were true, but it doesn’t really make sense to me. If you’re a real estate agent, you don’t tell the potential buyer, “oops, looks like this house is off the market,” because all that does is cause the buyer to look elsewhere. You say, “wow, look at this offer that just came in.”

    Look where? There isn’t a player like Melo on the market now. We think he’s overrated but Doc, CP3 and Lebron clearly don’t.

    And, yes, its a common negotiating tactic when a seller tells an obstinate buyer, “Take or leave it.” But in this case Phil can’t say that since it was leaked that he wants to get rid of Melo to begin the trade talks so the next step is to have Melo say, “Fuck it. I am staying.” You be assured that the Clippers and soon the Cavs will approach Melo before their next games to reconsider.

    But shirley Melo’s Olympic friends will try to rescue him from the abyss that is New York. Won’t they?

    But shirley Melo’s Olympic friends will try to rescue him from the abyss that is New York. Won’t they?

    The fools are playing the part of the Order of Jedi Knights running to the slaughter as the mastermind Darth Philmelo manipulates them behind the scenes.

    And how does Melo Jennings and O’Quinn for Love (to the Celtucs) and Bklyn’s pick to us not make sense for everybody involved?

    Melo’s been the most talented player on his teams? According to what?

    Nothing. I made it up

    darth philmelo – nice…making my way through all the star wars stuff…in the clone wars now (doing the whole chronological sequence thing)…just watched the clone war movie and the introduction of ahsoko…

    love the anakin story line – starts out as a good guy and boy do things go downhill after a while…hmmmm, darth philmelo may just be very apropos…

    good news: pitchers and catchers report to tampa next week 🙂

    love the anakin story line – starts out as a good guy and boy do things go downhill after a while…hmmmm, darth philmelo may just be very apropos…

    Lebron is the Anakin of this story. A young brilliant prodigy with great promise and a temper whose desire for immortality has turned him to the Darkside. He thinks he’s fighting Phil but is really aiding his master plan.

    A young brilliant prodigy with great promise and a temper whose desire for immortality has turned him to the Darkside.

    holy cow – either you really know what you’re talking about or you just got really lucky…asked a resident star wars expert (buddy in the office next door) – and, he agreed – anakin’s motivation was in large part influenced by a desire for immortality (aside from the whole trying to save his wife thing at the end of revenge of the sith)…i’m impressed…

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