Knicks Morning News (2016.06.24)

  • [New York Times] To Escape N.B.A.’s Depths, 76ers Go Down Under and Draft Ben Simmons (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:13:21 GMT)

    The Los Angeles Lakers followed by selecting Duke’s Brandon Ingram, and the Boston Celtics made the first unexpected pick of the night: California forward Jaylen Brown at No. 3.

  • [New York Times] Phil Jackson Outlines the Rewards and the Risks of His Newest Knick (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 02:53:33 GMT)

    In its acquisition of Derrick Rose, a team envisions a “decisive attack guard.”

  • [New York Times] LeBron James Opts for Summer Vacation Instead of Summer Olympics (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:49:07 GMT)

    A day after the parade celebrating the Cavaliers’ N.B.A. title, James decided to skip the Games in August in Rio. It was James’s sixth straight trip to the finals.

  • [New York Times] Trades Are Part of NBA Draft Day (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 03:25:07 GMT)

    The long wait to find out which NBA team would be in his future was over in a hurry for Domantas Sabonis.

  • [New York Times] Column: If Ben Simmons Is the Question, Who’s ‘The Answer’? (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 06:36:57 GMT)

    If Ben Simmons is the question, who’s The Answer?

  • [New York Times] Draft Over, and Now the Summer of Durant Has Arrived (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 06:39:56 GMT)

    Draft night belonged to Ben Simmons.

  • [New York Times] First-Round Selections in NBA Draft (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:42:44 GMT)

    First-round selections in the National Basketball Association draft on Thursday at the Barclays Center (tabulate under number of pick, NBA team, player, position, previous team):

  • [New York Times] Celtics Resist Overtures, Pick Jaylen Brown With Third Pick (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 02:46:31 GMT)

    With little mystery surrounding how the first two picks would go in Thursday’s NBA draft, the Celtics responded to wider theories about selection No. 3 by keeping things simple.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Friday's Knicks Links: Phil Jackson realizes there's more work to do (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:52:14 EST)

    Friday's Knicks Links: Phil Jackson realizes there's more work to do

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] 2016 Draft Picks: New York Knicks (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:49:54 EST)

    2016 Draft Picks: New York Knicks

  • [New York Post] Knicks start wooing undrafteds after failing to buy pick (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 00:56:32 -0400)

    The Knicks had just five players on the roster entering draft night Thursday and without a draft pick or a point guard other than the newly acquired Derrick Rose. Knicks president Phil Jackson had hoped to purchase a mid-to-late second-round pick, but with the price soaring well past $2 million, he passed. The Knicks will…

  • [New York Post] Phil Jackson shows Carmelo Anthony he wants to win now (Fri, 24 Jun 2016 00:44:37 -0400)

    In making the blockbuster move for Derrick Rose, Knicks president Phil Jackson acknowledged it was partly done with an eye on Carmelo Anthony's timetable to win now, but admitted the deal was "risk-reward.” During a pre-draft press conference Thursday at the team's Tarrytown headquarters, Jackson said making the trade for the 2011 MVP was also…

  • 18 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.06.24)”

    Anyone find it funny that Ron Baker (6’4″, redshirt, walk-on, unheralded coming into the draft, sweet shooter, hard worker, all the white-guy stereotypes, etc.) is as close to drafting Jeff Hornacek as one could possibly get in this class? Or maybe ever?

    Anyone find it funny that Ron Baker (6’4?, redshirt, walk-on, unheralded coming into the draft, sweet shooter, hard worker, all the white-guy stereotypes, etc.) is as close to drafting Jeff Hornacek as one could possibly get in this class? Or maybe ever?

    I thought the exact same thing.
    I can’t pretend to know anything about him but I liked how the DX “weaknesses” video basically just said his problem would be consistently creating his own offense. I do not believe he will be responsible for that for the Knicks.

    Would love getting GP2 in.

    I missed the end of last night’s thread, but i just find it so bizarre that the Knicks didn’t buy a pick. And not bizarre in a good way.

    I mean, even if some of the guys you liked were not going to be drafted, why would you open them up to negotiating with all 32 teams? Buy a freaking pick and get exclusive rights. It’s a small thing since these guys statistically are very unlikely to make any difference in the long run, but it’s basically zero risk with some chance of reward.

    There you go JK47 – here’s a move / non-move that I really did not enjoy.

    The Knicks finished 10-28 after getting to 22-22 last season. That certainly put a chill on any enthusiasm I had for anyone on their roster. I like Rolo but I also like 14 million dollars for the next three seasons and feel there’s someone potentially more exciting we could have for that money. I was hoping Jerian Grant would be an excellent two way player one day but it’s not like he didn’t have multiple opportunities to show that on a team going nowhere. Jose Calderon is not a two way player. He’s riding pine in 4th quarters on good teams because he can’t guard anyone. I agree that it’s uniquely Knicksy to take a flier on a low risk/ high reward guy who makes 21 million but with the package we gave up I’m not that upset. If we had given up a future first round pick or if Rose had multiple years left I’d be pissed. An NBA season is a terrible thing to waste but worst case scenario, we have a high lottery pick (maybe #1 if he truly is the worst PG in the league) and a boatload of cash next summer. Best case scenario, he’s a PG that can actually break down a defense, finish at the rim and create space for teammates. I don’t think it’s fair to compare this to AB, ECURRY, or Melodrama in that the implications are for only one season.

    The 38th pick cost $2.4 million, so if you don’t love a guy, that’s pretty steep. The $3 mil allowance per year can be used in a trade, I think, so keeping that as an asset isn’t the worst thing. (That was strange to write.)

    A couple of thoughts:

    I’m surprised that an NBA GM spoke about Ron Baker playing the 1 or 2. I don’t think he has the speed or agility to be a 1 at the NBA level and always thought of him as a straight up 2. But either way, could see him having a role as a younger Sasha that plays better defense. Didn’t see anyone mention the Wichita St connection (ala Cleanthony) but would think that probably played a role in the Knicks signing Baker

    In terms of UFAs, I really like Yogi Ferrell and hope we make a play for him. Yes he is significantly undersized, but I’ve watched him play a lot, and he’s smart, a very good shooter, tough and, most importantly, clutch. I would take a shot on him, especially given our glaring holes at PG

    I don’t understand why people defend the Rose trade by bringing up the salary cap savings of dumping Lopez. How is it a good thing that Phil felt the need to dump salary of a guy he signed literally a year ago? Isn’t Phil signing a guy to, what is apparently, an albatross contract that we have to dump a year later speak poorly on Phil? If Phil so badly misevaluated Lopez last year what makes anyone think that he’ll correctly value other players going forward?

    Vincoug…..it’s a combination. He took a risk on Rose whilst simultaneously freeing up space in a far better FA year.

    I wish ppl would stop treating Lopez like he was some rate commodity

    I’m surprised that an NBA GM spoke about Ron Baker playing the 1 or 2. I don’t think he has the speed or agility to be a 1 at the NBA level and always thought of him as a straight up 2. But either way, could see him having a role as a younger Sasha that plays better defense. Didn’t see anyone mention the Wichita St connection (ala Cleanthony) but would think that probably played a role in the Knicks signing Baker

    He’s definitely not a traditional 1 from what I’ve seen. Wouldn’t be totally miscast as a triangle PG if we were still going that direction, but obviously he won’t provide any penetration from that spot. He should be okay playing next to Rose though. I like the pickup. Obviously given that he’s an UDFA he probably won’t make it, but I really do think he has a shot. That’s not bad. Scary thing is he’s probably penciled in as a starter at the moment. Still a LOT of work to be done on this roster as we move into free agency.

    Here’s the only reason to defend the Rose trade:

    https://youtu.be/5SfAev8Wm4k

    Alan Hahn says here that the Knicks are now going to be meeting with Kevin Durant on July 1st. That’s what the Derrick Rose trade does for us; it makes players want to come here. For all the talk about how smart players are, they’re really not that in tune with advanced numbers and what actually produces wins. Basketball is still very theoretical to players in that they see somebody who can create his own shot, get into the paint, and handle the ball as a valuable asset no matter how many shots he will miss on a nightly basis. The league probably blames Hoiberg for the Bulls’ failures. You have to remember that Kevin Durant is a guy who defended Westbrook’s right to shoot no matter how efficient he was. I don’t expect Durant to sign here. But Derrick Rose is easily more attractive to NBA players than Robin Lopez, Jose Calderon, and Jerry Grant.

    If Ron Baker turns into Jeff Hornacek then we did very well.

    More than very well. More like a franchise-saving coup. Hornacek was a very good player.

    If he turns into half the player Hornacek was it’d be a success. I like the kid and I like the acquisition, but I think we should’ve pounced on VanVleet, Warney, and GP2 first (all who are already playing for someone else in the raptors [summer league] mavs [summer league] and rockets [3 year contract] respectively)

    Ron Baker has a really good chance to be good. He’s your prototypical off guard give or take an inch or two. You’re talking about a guy who can shoot and defend at high levels while being able to handle the ball/create in a pinch. He also has Team USA experience and is an NBA level athlete. His age is probably the only red flag I have for him. I don’t expect him to become an All Star, but he has a good shot to become a guy who can be productive in this league.

    The Rockets got GP2? You know, I really really really hate Darryl Morey’s face and I can’t wait until the D’Antoni hire gets him fired. He’s on his last legs in Houston. The Rockets under Morey have one WCF appearance and a bunch of mediocrity surrounding it despite his ability to land prime versions of Dwight Howard and James Harden. What a clown, and I’ll never forgive him for the McGrady trade. Bastard.

    Yeah, Selden, Walkup, and Finney-Smith are all available and should all be instant invites/partially guaranteed signings.

    Cat Barber and Sheldon McClellan are playing for other teams but I didn’t like either too much so that’s fine by me.

    Here’s the only reason to defend the Rose trade:

    https://youtu.be/5SfAev8Wm4k

    Alan Hahn says here that the Knicks are now going to be meeting with Kevin Durant on July 1st. That’s what the Derrick Rose trade does for us; it makes players want to come here. For all the talk about how smart players are, they’re really not that in tune with advanced numbers and what actually produces wins. Basketball is still very theoretical to players in that they see somebody who can create his own shot, get into the paint, and handle the ball as a valuable asset no matter how many shots he will miss on a nightly basis. The league probably blames Hoiberg for the Bulls’ failures. You have to remember that Kevin Durant is a guy who defended Westbrook’s right to shoot no matter how efficient he was. I don’t expect Durant to sign here. But Derrick Rose is easily more attractive to NBA players than Robin Lopez, Jose Calderon, and Jerry Grant.

    Massive — I agree 100% but for one error in your post. Advanced stats do not produce wins — implicit in this statement would be misunderstanding of cause and effect. The stats describe what players have done. They are highly correlated to wins, they describe the statistics of players that tend to win, and clearly any front office that is not paying very close attention the the advanced stats should be taken out to pasture. But what they miss is the impact that playing with good players has on stats themselves. They also don’t capture salary cap dynamics and team construction needs. You could construct plenty of teams out of players with awesome advanced stats that wouldn’t win jack.

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