Knicks Morning News (2015.08.14)

  • [New York Daily News] Friends Carmelo, LeBron could make history if they win gold (Fri, 14 Aug 2015 04:38:02 GMT)

    The first time Carmelo Anthony met LeBron James they were both in high school, two blue chippers familiar in name and legend.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Friedell: Players buying into Team USA's culture (Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:17:56 EST)

    Friedell: Players buying into Team USA's culture

  • [New York Times] NBA, Referees’ Union Reach Deal on 7-Year CBA (Fri, 14 Aug 2015 00:29:21 GMT)

    The NBA and the National Basketball Referees Association agreed to a seven-year collective bargaining agreement Thursday, brokering the deal a year before the previous contract was set to expire.

  • 26 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.08.14)”

    “And another thing that’s happened, if you were to track, go back and look at the players who were on our roster in ’08 and ’10 and ’12 and ’14, in the different competitions, they all were better players for the experience. They all went back and had really good seasons and the players are aware of that.”

    I think coach K has been excellent for Melo. He’s probably a big reason for Melo’s improved three point shot. He’s kind of the Steve Novak of team USA. I like that the guys are listening to coach K. When you think about it, the one and done players, the quantum leap guys, they’re probably starving for some fundamentals and if they see the best player listening (LBJ) they’re probably going to perk up their entitled AAU ears.

    I like that that coaching staff all like and believe in Melo, as well. It makes me think that he really is a good piece going forward. Then he goes back on Twitter…

    During our recent 2010-11 vs. 2015-16 debate, Brian made the point that cap space was more valuable back then b/c very few teams had cap space, making it harder for teams to compete for FAs. Sirius NBA radio offered an interesting counterpoint…now that virtually all teams will have max or near-max cap space, doesn’t it become easier to move questionable contracts, like Melo’s, especially now that it is not really a max deal going forward? Obviously, no one would want a truly worthless contract like Amar’e’s in 2012-13, but unloading 3 years of Melo at $25-$27 mill per might be much easier than it would have been under prior circumstances.

    Speaking of the salary cap, what would be the big deal about allowing more frequent amnesty provisions? Isn’t that good for both the league and the players? In fact, why not make ALL contracts amnesty-able after a set period, say 3 years on a 5-year deal?

    -Amnestied player gets more money, increasing payroll.
    -Owners can speed up lengthy rebuilds, which increases competitive balance, as there would be less likelihood of non-competitive teams hamstrung with albatross contracts.
    -If there are concerns that the provision would tilt the scales in favor of big-market or perennially successful teams, a waiver system could be put in place to advantage smaller market teams (make the order of the waiver system favor teams with the lowest basketball-related income rather than those with the worst record) so that financially struggling teams might be able to sign good (but not great) players on the cheap.

    Another option is to impose a luxury tax on teams that utilize the amnesty provision based on their basketball-related income. This might make it so that wealthy teams would have less of an advantage over financially struggling teams.

    I guess that amnesty for all contracts is too extreme, but one every 2-3 years might work pretty well. I don’t think it is ever good for the league to have teams stuck in cap hell for multiple years, especially big market teams.

    During our recent 2010-11 vs. 2015-16 debate, Brian made the point that cap space was more valuable back then b/c very few teams had cap space, making it harder for teams to compete for FAs. Sirius NBA radio offered an interesting counterpoint…now that virtually all teams will have max or near-max cap space, doesn’t it become easier to move questionable contracts, like Melo’s, especially now that it is not really a max deal going forward? Obviously, no one would want a truly worthless contract like Amar’e’s in 2012-13, but unloading 3 years of Melo at $25-$27 mill per might be much easier than it would have been under prior circumstances.

    Oh definitely, no doubt about it his contract is easier to move with an increased salary cap. But his salary is not so much the problem with moving Melo right now, is it? They gave him a no-trade clause. That’s what makes him hard to move. The bigger issue is if he falls apart at the end of the deal, even with an increased salary cap you’re going to have a hard time moving him when he’s making $27 million.

    But as to the counterpoint about the value of cap room, yes, it is easier to dump big salaries, but it is also much easier for players to get max salaries from pretty much any team out there, which wasn’t the case in 2010-11, which is why cap space was so valuable then. Cap space is still good now, but not nearly as important as it was then (and with the longer contracts back then, clearing cap space was also a much more difficult task, which is why the expiring contract used to be a valuable trade asset and it is now pretty much worthless).

    I guess that amnesty for all contracts is too extreme, but one every 2-3 years might work pretty well. I don’t think it is ever good for the league to have teams stuck in cap hell for multiple years, especially big market teams.

    I agree. A once every five years amnesty provision sure does make a lot of sense to me, as well. And the thing is that the league needs teams to spend a lot of money, because that revenue sharing supports the lower rung teams (or the teams with idiotic TV contracts, like the Wizards)!

    “They gave him a no-trade clause. That’s what makes him hard to move. The bigger issue is if he falls apart at the end of the deal, even with an increased salary cap you’re going to have a hard time moving him when he’s making $27 million.”

    The no-trade clause is a factor, but much less of one when teams that Melo would agree to go to can afford him without giving up assets, especially key short-term ones.

    The only solution to the Melo breaking down is amnesty. With the tax, he and the league get money, and the Knicks would still be penalized for the bad contract. The tax could simply be that the part of the salary paid by the new team continues to get paid, but the difference goes to the league. For example, when we amnestied Billlups @ 12 million, the new team paid $2 million and the Knicks only had to pay the remaining $10 Million. The Knicks should have still paid the entire $12 million.

    One issue I just thought of: could a disgruntled player’s agent figure out a way to virtually “force” a team to amnesty him so that he could go to a contending team or otherwise better fit?

    I suppose you could make it so that amnestied players are subject to some kind of “draft” where the disadvantaged teams could compete for exclusive rights to the player. There was something like that last time, with “partial waiver claims” i.e. sealed bids, goes to the highest bidder, but that didn’t work if a “full waiver claim” was made or if the richer team made a outsized bid.

    I think the current system works okay (where teams with cap room get to bid on the amnestied players). You’re always going to have the threat of players saying, “Don’t sign me” no matter what, I imagine.

    It will be interesting to see if Adam Silver advocates for this. He seems to be an idea guy. It would be great to have more competitive balance, and I think there is enough talent to have both competitive balance and great teams. The Western Conference is already very balanced at a high level, with only PHX and Portland having pretty bad teams. Minny and Sac both look like very competitive teams. I hope he doesn’t consider expansion. In my opinion, further expansion would water down teams and rivalries. I’d rather see weak franchises move to better markets. It would be great if every NBA team was 7-8 legit 20+ minute rotation players deep.

    I’m torn on expansion. Does the league really seem any worse than it was, say, fifteen years ago? I don’t think so. Hell, I think the league is actually better now than it was in 2000, so I don’t know if Charlotte joining the league really changed much. So I think they might be able to add another team or two.

    But even if it didn’t change things that much, I agree that it just feels like it would, right? I can’t deny that.

    The no-trade clause is a factor, but much less of one when teams that Melo would agree to go to can afford him without giving up assets, especially key short-term ones.

    I don’t see how this could be viewed as a good thing for the Knicks.

    Minny and Sac both look like very competitive teams.

    They’re going to be bad this year, both of them. Not competitive.

    Well, my beef is also that we’d play current teams less and bad teams more (expansion teams are usually terrible for at least 2-3 years.) Of course, I’m a bit jaded. When I started following basketball at age 9, there were only ten teams in the league. Ten!

    The fact that Minny and Sac are likely to be bad teams this years tells you more about the west getting even stronger than it does about those teams.

    A LOT of teams got a lot better. There were quite a few teams that had important players injured last that are coming backs. It was a strong draft. Some of the younger players are really starting to hit stride. There are a couple of teams that are likely to be worse (Portland for example), but the league is getting tougher and tougher. That the one things that scares me about the Knicks this year. They got a lot better, but a lot of teams got better and others got a lot better.

    Layne Vashro ?@VJL_bball 21h21 hours ago
    w/ Prince signing, Wolves now have 9 players on roster who finished 400th or worse in RPM-D last season… in addition to 3 rookies.

    Is that good?

    But even if it didn’t change things that much, I agree that it just feels like it would, right? I can’t deny that.

    I like the way the standings look in the newspaper: 5 teams in each conference.

    And I like having 30 draft picks per round.

    Life in balance.

    I should clarify what I mean by “very competitive”

    Sacramento has a starting lineup of Cousins, Trill, Gay, Rondo and McLemore, with a bench of Collison, Casspri, Beninelli, Evans, Butler and Koufos. Unless you are really down on Cousins or think Rondo is washed up, that’s not an awful team. Only a weak team relative to the superstrong WC. Obviously they are an emotionally fragile team, with Rondo and with the Karl-Cousins drama.

    Minnesota has a starting lineup of Pekovic, Garnett, Wiggins, Rubio and Martin, with Towns, Lavine, Miller, Bennett and Neal coming off the bench. Garnett should make a significant difference there. They may have a bit more juice playing for Flip.

    While both teams will struggle to win 25+ games, they will be WAY better than last year’s TWolves, Knicks, Sixers, and Lakers. They should both be fun to watch, even if they lose a lot. And if Cauley-Stein and Towns emerge as impact players early on, they will start drawing crowds and will become tougher at home.

    I like the way the standings look in the newspaper: 5 teams in each conference.

    And I like having 30 draft picks per round.

    Life in balance.

    It can be two 8 team divisions!

    A friend of mine knows Walt Frazier so he puts him on the phone with me today and he wishes me a happy birthday! How great was that? What a nice guy!

    I guess if you are the NBA you always should be exploring expansion. I think if it were two teams max, that wouldn’t water down the talent pool too much, especially when you think how many guys in the league struggle to get minutes, when they are legit starters. My thoughts are that if the league was to expand it would have to be two teams in the West (Seattle anyone?), and move Memphis and New Orleans to the East. Just a thought though.

    A friend of mine knows Walt Frazier so he puts him on the phone with me today and he wishes me a happy birthday! How great was that?

    That’s pretty fucking great

    A friend of mine knows Walt Frazier so he puts him on the phone with me today and he wishes me a happy birthday! How great was that? What a nice guy!

    That’s amazing! Happy Birthday!

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