The Knicks are in Oklahoma City to play the Thunder tonight. Luckily, in a major piece of good news for the Knicks, Kevin Durant will be out for tonight’s game – he is still recovering from an injury. Without Kevin Durant, the Thunder are not a bad team, but they are a very beatable team, as so much of the squad’s success is built around the two man game of Westbrook and Durant.
This isn’t to say that tonight will be an easy win, of course, as Westbrook is an extremely strong player who happens to play a position that the Knicks have some trouble with. If they can’t stay in front of Mo Williams, how will they stay in front of Russell freakin’ Westbrook? So except Westbrook to get a lot of points.
But other than that, the Knicks should be right in this thing. I think they have a very good chance of taking this one and if so, that will mean that they will be over .500 13 games into the season. That’s kind of awesome, right?
Let’s go Knicks!
What’s the under/over for Westbrook against the Knicks guards? 45?
Ha, sent the exact same question to a couple of friends earlier today
Ha ha there is a very real chance Westbrook goes huge tonight. I would love to see Grant get a lot of minutes on Westbrook, just for the simple fact that he can get a feel for how a very good scoring 1 get the job done. I would love to see Grant start making the most of his penetration, and what better person to see do it than Westbrook.
Langston is on pace for 47 turnovers over a full season. Westbrook has 61.
Terrible stat
Langston has won 100% of his career jump balls. Westbrook is at 67%.
Your numbers tell me that Langston > Russell
Langston has never been accused of choking a 19 year old at a club in NYC. Westbrook and JR Smith have a 50% accusation rate this week alone.
Remember when Russ came back from some injury last year and basically beat the Knicks by himself by the end of the first quarter?
yes that seemed personal
a man called sam dalembert started that game for us, which makes it seem like it must have been about 12 years ago
Sam Dalembert sounds like a good name for a sandwich
Fiesty start from Rolo
Melo looking dilapidated…
Melo must have been mad he only scored 16 last game.
His hoggish tendencies are in full force.
JR Zingus needs to slow his role with those forced shots! =P
That turnover was atrocious but whatever, Westbrook bricked it. But the iso, brick, iso, travel sequence was a little brutal.
Still expecting good things from him of course.
Rebecca Harlow freaks me out a little bit, not sure why…..
My wife already doesn’t like her too…
Someday soon Big zingis is gonna throw that down
Dion Waiters is so trash
@10
I’m pretty sure that’s because Westbrook is a crazy person and takes things like accidentally not high fiving him personally.
Yeah, how Waiters is on the Thunder mystifies me…
Let’s give it up to Jose so far.
great hustle quarter for both calderon and lopez
waiters found himself guarding melo in the post and went full harden
Calderon is grabbing rebounds, deflecting passes and even driving and dishing.
Coffee
oh yeah…
Hey, its like last year. Langston and four suckers
stop. playing. sasha.
If Korver played with Westbrook he’d average 30 PPG.
It’s bizarre that Vujacic gets regular minutes on this team.
both lineups are horrible right now. langston and morrow should just stop play and have a 3pt shootout until the starters are rested.
It’s bizarre Sasha is getting any minutes anywhere. And that he even considers life living after seeing Sugarpova walk out of his life.
has the seraphin shine worn off yet?
O’Quinn in for tubby
Big 3 from the general
Grant is in and making plays.
please let this be the inflection point of KOQ and grant moving back ahead of sasha and seraphin in the rotation
Mid range java
Ok Galloway might be legit…
They’ve got experienced decision-makers in the front office! They have inside information and years of experience and instinct! You just don’t get his upside!
/Z-Man-baiting sarcasm
Anyone else get Comcast? They’re fighting with YES and dropped the channel. Fortunately, the Nets are unwatchable anyway.
Rolo, that was beautiful. My kind of ugly
Waiters is a straight scrub. Just horrible at basketball.
The only way the Thunder can win without Durant is for Westbrook to have unreal games. Luckily, this looks pretty darn real so far!!
And yeah, Waiters…wow…
I’d like to see them push the pace here.
The difference in length btw Rolo-KP and frontcourts I can remember is just startling. I am thinking of the immortal Lee-Curry defensive pairing in particular.
Is Waiters a really good defender?
Anthony’s jumper looks good.
Melo cooking now
Not Zingus’s best half.
The OKC color commentator just said “the fruits of their reward.” Is he talking about J.C.? That’s some Psalm 127 ish right there.
Why wave Kristaps to the corner to just hoist a 3?
i think mark jackson opened up a school of broadcasting and michael cage was the only graduate
OKC played terribly and are losing by 4. Not feeling real good about this one.
If the knicks can limit OKCs second chance opportunities they migth be able to get out of there with a win.
don’t question it, pleb
The law of the 2015-16 Knicks is that no matter how well or poorly anyone plays, Knicks included, it will come down to the 4th quarter.
I actually think the Knicks have shown pluck. KP has played mediocre, and Melo had a down start, they gave up 11 O boards and yet they lead by 4.
See what I did there?
Half full cup, baby.
Knicks playing way too tight on Waiters.
thanks dion!
Calderon has his mojo back from downtown
I really like the way Rolo goes after every rebound and loose ball
nice melo
don’t be surprised if lopez punches steven adams
I like to see the power move from Melo
Waiters instead of KD is amazing
Waiters
Porzingis sux, trade him for Derrick Rose immediately!
i’m really hoping the next wave doesn’t include vujacic and seraphin
Is this really the 1st game KP has had more than 1 ast? Wow.
benchingis
Knicks doing a great job closing out on shooters
“He’s gotta shoot the ball, man! He’s six feet away!”
I love Clyde
threes are falling
I wonder if Chris Childs is mad Seraphin got his number
Nice game from Afflalo tonight
Afflalo is going to punch Waiters soon.
langston i love you
Kanter is such a weird player
Galloway is a fucking baller
Gallo!
get seraphin out
Breen and Clyde are both giggly and stoned sounding
Play for one shot and don’t take the longest possible 2, Lance
I think it’s safe to say that Seraphin-sanity is over
Does Thomas step on the 3pt line on purpose just to make fans mad? lol.
Reminder that Galloway has only played 13 minutes and has 4 steals
Chill out. Put your feet up.
Lance Thomas got this
Remember this OKC team averages 110 a game. They have 64 going into the fourth.
Very nice effort so far. D has been very good. Calderon having an excellent fame, as is Gallo.
That last shot felt a bit like last tear’s empty headed place. Nice it went in but stupid tactically.
5
edit: but that was a bad play
lance melo?
Never thought I’d be thinking “get that shit back to Lance Thomas”, but here we are
We’re tough to beat when our terrible players can’t stop draining threes
i think we may have won this game last year
wow…haven’t seen that many threes since the d’antoni daze
Lol @92.
Those 3s by Williams were pretty sweet, it has to be said.
Derrick Williams is a three point machine!
Every night some one else stands up.
Tonight, Thomas, DWill and Calderon.
Lopez doing dirty work.
somewhere in sacramento quincy acy is saying ‘that should be me’
Time for Lopez to launch a 3, it’ll definitely go in
Why not put KP in instead of Lopez with this lineup?
They have the same rate from three and from the stripe.
This has a bit ofa 2012 feel to it
Time to put in Bill Walker to ice this shit
Melo is a scrub
That was so ugly.
Breathe deeply and repeat to yourself “we are not the Clippers, we are not the Clippers”
Not really fair to Thunder fans who paid big bucks to see Porzingis and he’s barely played
Suddenly, stupid play. Charges. Backing off with seconds left on shot clock. Melo losing track of the clock. Calderon becoming a matador.
Nice bucket a-a-ron
Just like the Hornets game, you build a big lead, you have some dumb possessions, you still win.
Big shot by Afflalo.
Team settles down well.
On the one hand, don’t get me wrong, when the Knicks are hitting threes like this, they’ll beat anyone. So I shouldn’t knock the Thunder.
On the other hand, holy shit, how awful is this Thunder team when Durant is not on it and Westbrook isn’t having, like, an ungodly game? I mean, I guess you can’t knock them for that (“When their MVP player is hurt, they’re not that good” isn’t saying a lot), but still, daaaang.
Still, the end result is great for us! So I’m loving it!
Calderon has been really solid lately, including on the defensive end
Is it me or does Lopez have hands of stone?
So many bobbles
And if the opponent shoots 3s like OKC is
How does Anthony force a fall away against 6’1 waiters then gets abised by him in the paint?
…caveman hands
A lot of ugly ISO possessions down the stretch here but they’ve worked to an extent so hard to complain
Rolo had Porzingis wide open on the baseline if he was more aware
Yes, Fisher keep Calderon in for his defense instead of Gallo.
… And if he could dribble and walk at the same time. Geez
He’s had two silly travels
he was waiting for lopez….ugh
That’s not a fucking flagrant
Westbrook operates at a different speed than every other player in the NBA
Those isolations are creating double teams and opportunities. JFC
Why the fuck are they running the offense through Lopez!!!!!
The one time Fisher doesn’t want to bring in Lance. smh. Lance for Lopez would be real smart right now.
They aren’t running the GD offense through Lopez. Westbrook made a total freelance play on a simple hand-off.
I’m not sure how that was a shooting foul.
did he really miss both
superstahhhhh
He really did
Holy shit watching the Knicks trying to close out games is pure torture.
4th qtr Melo has been awful this year.
Also, did Fisher leave in Lopez and take out KP. He is so smart. smh.
Are you fucking kidding me Melo!!!
He got hit on the arm but come on…
why won’t charlotte or okc let us lose. we are asking nicely.
Ruru, they’ve been doing that pass to Lopez all night. Westbrook freelanced because they’ve been doing it over and over.
the calderon head first head down closeout is unorthodox but effective…and caveman redemption
That’s why Robin gets the big bucks
I have a feeling this board will be caterwauling about Melo and a Knicks win at OKC. Gotta love it.
DId Fisher actually keep Calderon on defense instead of putting in Gallo after a timeout? this coach is on another level
All right Lopez. All forgiven.
Holy shit, you guys are ridiculous. The Knicks were 7 point underdogs and you’re acting like they should be cruising to victory. And yes Melo did miss 2 foul shots, but he also made a huge jumper and grabbed a huge rebound.
Calm down!
….
WTF
Clown play, bro. Clown play
Melo has actually had a good night.
The two
Misses not withstanding
Rolo has be freakin’ horrible the last 5 minutes
Fuck you replay
Good, Gallo isnt in for defense….
Sometimes Lopez is as dumb as he looks
never a dull moment, even with that lead
How the hell does Calderon and Lopez not foul Waiters there before he got that shot off??????
Phew!
What was Calderon doing there?
DION FUCKING WAITERS EVERYONE
A buzzer 3 to tie by Waiters would’ve have been tres Knicksy
Thank krom for Dion Waiters.
Never go the last five minutes without our best player again
Whew! I have to say replay in those situations kinda frauds up the game.
Thank God Waiters got the ball game…
THANKS SAM PRESTI FOR THE FREE WIN
Wow.
Gave em every opportunity to beat us. And we still won. I’m glass half full on this one.
I like Lopez’s hustle but he had the most buttery hands tonight
Terrible road win lol
Holy crap, Spurs lost by 14 in New Orleans. Nobody was rested on the Spurs either.
Held OKC to 90 points.
That alone is amazing.
i think if we play that game 100 times and everything is identical except the same players taking the same 3s reshoot, we lose 99. but we won the only one that happened, so ring it up.
Yeah, come on, better to celebrate the wins when they get them! I am thrilled that they’re actually over .500. They’re not a particularly good team, but over .500, baby!!
This team is good defensively. But they were beaten like government mules on the thunder offensive glass.
A lot of crunch time shot making as well which is nice
Rockets guys are touting that they finally held a team under 100 points. I hope they blow the rockets out
Mannnn could they have made those last few minutes any tighter??
You know what tho??? Fuck it. They won. Let them eventually learn how to run their offense in late-game pressure situations and gain confidence and reps while winning some of ’em.
They got the win in OKC. Yeah no Durant, but Westbrook didn’t go complete HAM. That’s a feather in the cap. 6-5, 3-game win streak during a brutal early schedule.
Let’s all take that and call it a night… lol.
7-6
Lopez with six turnovers. Honestly, as well as he played, those turnovers nearly lost the game.
Hey at least we are good enough this year to win games we don’t play great. Last year? Lose by 20.
yeah win is a win. Calderon’s playing better overall and the addition of afflalo has helped. Need more Gallo though. I remember Zinger got burned a few times by Ibaka, but when you look at the box score he played him about even.
I can live with this new Calderon.
In Dion Waiters shot selection we trust :).
Calderon has played well.
But instead of him playing Calderon 29 and Gallo 19 id like to see 25 -24
Oh, totally. This is by far a loss last year.
Is 5 steals in 19 minutes good? Asking for a friend
Oh man. Freakin’ Dion Waiters. Wow, what an awful basketball player.
I need to read better
I don’t think it’s fair to say the Knicks are not a good team or that they were terrible tonight.
They played a tough team, with a guard coming off two 40 pt games, on OKC’s home court.
They played excellent D most of the night and held them to 20 points below their average. They had trouble executing down the stretch, but Melo and Afflalo hit key jumpers, Lopez made two important free throws and they played well enough to hold off a furious surge by the home team.
Contributions from Thomas and DWill were key and Cakderon held his own most of the night against Westbrook.
Really, did anyone truly believe they would get the W?
OKC went 11-4 at home w/out Durant, playing a grueling sked (losses to SA, Dallas, Houston and LAC)
It beat Portland, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta at home without KD.
Don’t be fooled by the naysayers, that’s a very good win.
Seraphin had 0 points, 0 rebounds and 5 fouls in 11 minutes. Time to go back to O’Quinn
Hey in order to blow 4th quarter leads, you need to have a fourth quarter lead. Better to have led then lost than to have never led at all. But yes nice that they can still grind out some of these wins. I think fisher has been ok overall, but some obvious bad decisions toward the end. Had a few chances to go offense/defense and missed them. Why we didn’t foul up three is another mystery. But really this team is in no position to complain about ugly wins especially on the road. A win is always a nice way to start a road trip
In other Knicks news!
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14180574/jr-smith-cleveland-cavaliers-accused-choking-teen-new-york-city-earlier-month
Oh definitely, you certainly shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth. A win is a win is a win is a win. You hope to get more of them than losses. Three in a row is pretty damn sweet. I have no complaints.
OKC is not a good team anymore. They really miss Thabo and James Harden, and Ibaka is officially a pumpkin. If KD misses extended time, the Thunder will miss the playoffs again. OKC has zero ability to draw free agents and they haven’t drafted well in quite some time. I think KD leaves them and Russ follows suit in 2017. They’re done.
Great win either way. We were in control most of the game, but we need to do better when it comes to ending the fight early.
Langston Galloway finished with 5 steals tonight, btw.
I heard tell that it was in under 20 minutes of time, to boot!
Ibaka is really good and they haven’t had Harden in years.
As long as all three of their Big Three play, they’re still a very good team, so I think KD re-ups for another year and then heads to free agency with Westbrook. They just aren’t very well set up to handle any absences of their three big players. Just like last year, unless Westbrook scores, like, 40 points, they’re kind of fucked. I know he thrives under the pressure, but it must be nuts to know, “I have to score 40 or we’re probably going to lose.” He still does so enough that they still win their share of games. We saw glimpses tonight late in the game of how transcendent he can be. He seemingly wiped out most of the deficit in a manner of seconds.
Note to self: Get a bottle of Pepto Bismol before I watch the next Knick game. There ain’t nothing easy in Knickland. This is a game we should have lost. We got a lucky win.
What got to me was how Fisher mismanaged the last two minutes of the game. First, I disagree having Calderon guard Westbrook in crunch time. Galloway must be there to cover. So Fisher has Calderon out there and instead of getting the ball to the NBA all-time best free throw shooter or to the better ball-handers, the Knicks inbound to the big men??? What’s up with that?
Have you seen Serge’s advanced numbers? That .109 WS/48 to go along with a sub .500 TS% lead me to conclude that Serge Ibaka is no longer the top 5 power forward he once was
I listened to Mike Crispino do the entire game. So, what happened?
Don’t look now, but we’re on a 3-game winning streak!
@195 i strongly disagree. The Knicks were raining threes all night and played great defense. There is nothing lucky about that.
In the fourth Robin Lopez was throwing the ball all over the place and Russ hit a crazy three to make it close. To say that the Knicks should have lost that game reeks of pessimism.
If the Thunder won that game then THEY could have said that
This win was entirely due to the genius of Phil Jackson, greatest basketball mind ever. At least, east of Portland.
Here is where I stand on the Thunder:
I was watching Kevin Durant’s document about his off season, and the part that stands out to me is where he’s taking you through the process of the Pau Gasol recruitment. He was texting Pau every day. When Pau signed with Chicago, Kevin was hurt because he knew Pau along with Russ and Ibaka had a chance to win an NBA title. The truth is Pau + OKC > Pau + Chicago, but Pau chose Chicago because they’re in a bigger market. Oklahoma City has added a total of zero free agent acquisitions of a bona fide difference maker. The organization also hasn’t drafted a difference maker since James Harden (or Ibaka; whichever guy came last). Oklahoma City, as constructed, cannot beat Golden State or San Antonio. If Houston gets their shit together, OKC would lose to them, too. The Clippers are better than them right now despite Chris Paul’s 6 foot stature. If I’m Kevin Durant, I’m looking at an organization that cannot put better pieces around me through either the draft or free agency and I’m realizing we don’t have enough to win. The same way LeBron and every superstar who left their first team realized it is the same way KD will. He will walk in the off season after OKC either misses the playoffs entirely or gets ousted in the 1st round. Russell will surely walk or be traded for assets after that. OKC was fun while they lasted, but their inability to draft as of recent and their inability to attract free agents will be the determining factors.
I am not saying that he’ll stay with them long term (although I wouldn’t be surprised if he does), but I think either way he signs with them for one more year, as it sets him up for an insane payday in 2017, at the same time Westbrook will be a free agent, so if they leave together it won’t be him leaving and he’ll still have one more year with Westbook where, who knows?
Yeah, the Thunder were certainly not good, but with the way they were hitting threes, the Knicks likely would have beaten 90% of the teams in the NBA tonight. That doesn’t mean that Fisher called a good game at the end, though, of course, as I agree that he did not. At least it didn’t kill them like some of Woodson’s end of game “game-calling” (or whatever it was that Woodson did at the end of the games. I dunno if you can fairly call it game-calling).
Sorry Posted on the old thread.
Lillard is raining 3s from 30 feet. His range is incredible