2014-2015 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Thunder

Tonight we will all get to see a superstar point guard play.

Oh, and Russell Westbrook will also be in action tonight.

The newly-signed Langston Galloway has himself a tough matchup tonight. Let’s see if he can keep his strong play up. He’ll actually open the game as the off guard, as Jose Calderon has returned to hopefully pump up his trade value (come on, teams, you know you want Jose!).

Melo also returns to the lineup. He’ll be the starting three tonight, with Jason “Stretch” Smith and Lou Amundson forming the rest of the Knicks’ starting frontcourt.

Let’s go! Knicks!

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105 thoughts to “2014-2015 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Thunder”

  1. If the knicks could come out of the draft with Okafor and Jerian Grant(another Harvey son) I would be a happy fan.

  2. Galloway can shoot, Galloway can guard/steal, Galloway can hustle, Gallloway can rebound, Galloway can drive and Galloway can pass. Love this guy.

  3. Well, the defense is about a million times better than the last OKC game. Jason Smith still sucks though.

  4. Well, the defense is about a million times better than the last OKC game. Jason Smith still sucks though.

    For the rest of the season, you should end every post with “Jason Smith still sucks.”

  5. So now that Galloway’s in the fold, what’s the verdict for Amundson and Thomas with their 10-day contracts coming to an end? Do they stay or they go?

  6. I actually like Amundson, as limited as he is, but he has negative upside and if we’re not going to cut our even more useless Bargmen, then he’s gotta go.

  7. Something to be said for hustling players who play hard. Taking charges, passing well, effort on d.

    But Melo sure knows how to kill the flow.

  8. That doesn’t count as a clutch trey by Galloway, right?

    “trey-a-lang” is just for all non-clutch moments. :)

  9. Can’t we just waive Bargs and Wear for JaMychal and Seth? The only thing I think we can do with Bargs is either trade him and take on extra salary (for matching purposes) + sweeteners (picks) from the other team, or we have to provide our own sweeteners for other teams to take him. I think it is simpler to just waive him.

  10. lol at Cole. he used up all his energy on his blk and decided not to post up on offense.

  11. So now that Galloway’s in the fold, what’s the verdict for Amundson and Thomas with their 10-day contracts coming to an end? Do they stay or they go?

    I feel bad for him, as he’s doing everything they ask, but if they won’t cut Bargs, they gotta let Amundson go. I’m cool with keeping Thomas for the rest of the season (and if he’ll agree to a non-guaranteed deal for next season, go for it).

  12. Amundson has had more blocks and shown more hustle in the past 5 mins than Bargs did all last year. He deserves to stay. Bargs should be waived.

  13. Amundson has had more blocks and shown more hustle in the past 5 mins than Bargs did all last year. He deserves to stay. Bargs should be waived.

    …more than Bargs did all of last year and this year combined!

  14. Amundson is the better option if you want to win games this year. . . but we shouldn’t. If we win games trying out some d league younguns, so be it, but Amundson is going to be on team 11 come next fall. Its cold, but we should cut him.

  15. Wow, usually Breen is the first to say you have to give the shooter space to come down. He must really like Gallo

  16. Wow, Notre Dame (8) giving Duke (4) a serious challenge. 67-65 and Duke hasn’t scored in last 4 mins.

  17. Oakafor has one of the nastiest “drop step and spin” moves I’ve ever seen in a college player. Great hands too.

  18. Okafor needs to add the backdoor spin for lob to his game. Also, Jerian grant is a player. He is a senior that might drop but if the knicks could get a 2nd rd pick somehow he would be a nice get.

  19. Oakafor has one of the nastiest “drop step and spin” moves I’ve ever seen in a college player. Great hands too.

    Corliss Williamson good?

  20. Great finish to the Duke-ND game. Duke outscored 23-8 at the end. Jerian Grant has wheels and a great handle too.

  21. I never heard Breen so suprise to say “the knicks lead by 7” before. lol

    Also, does anyone else think Reggie Jackson look like T.K. Carter?

  22. Hard not to root for these guys.

    Can’t imagine what it’s like to be a philly fan and having to drake org years of this demoralizing hoping that your team is going to lose.

  23. Hands down the best these guys have played all year. Hustle, ball movement, clutch shooting, tight D, good rotations. Exciting to watch. First time this season they feel competent. Just sad that it risks our tank plan.

  24. Hey Brian, can you bring back “Unsung Knicks History” and do an article set in the future about how Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas paired with a stubborn Phil Jackson/Derek Fisher to destroy the Knicks’ lotto odds and doom the team to irrelevance for the next half decade while all the top three picks in the draft all went on to start in multiple All Star games?

  25. This got fun late. A few wins here and there are always nice.

    On to see what Louis Litt does as Suits return.

  26. Weird night in the NBA.

    Is there a rule against opposing superstars playing at MSG? First Davis, then Durant…

  27. @54 – I thought the same thing. I think Fischer brought Calderon in to handle the ball.

    It’s crazy. I had such a crappy day and grumbled all the way to my easy chair. I know that losing every game is the way to go, but the Knicks fixed my mood tonight.

  28. Tubby backup PG Ray Felton can’t even get in a game on a night where Rondo plays 32 minutes and scores 0.0 points. Remember last year when he was starting for the Knicks?

    Maybe they want to trade for Calderon?

  29. The Hawks bench played like a flaming pile of garbage tonight and they still dropped 113 on the Nets.

  30. Fisher deserves some props, he”s a cool, steady dude. I enjoy his press conferences. Glad he’ll be around for a while.

  31. DRed, Jason Smith may still suck, but he’s improved from a steaming dungpile to solidly mediocre.

  32. DRed, Jason Smith may still suck, but he’s improved from a steaming dungpile to solidly mediocre.

    I hope Phil is using that tagline in all his calls to fringe contenders.

  33. @68 Westbrook dropped 40 on him. 13/30 (2/8 from three) and was 12/12 from the line. At the same time, Galloway had 3 steals. He plays with intensity but he’s no match for Westbrook. Westbrook can be uncontrollable.

  34. pretty sure the pistons not having jennings is hurting them…. i wonder if they are throwing in the towel on playoff talk…

  35. The FTs are partly on Jah and Lou. They’re the guys who were fouling Russ. Some on Langston, some on them. How many guys in the league can keep Russ from the bucket one on one? So, I dunno. The defense overall on him wasn’t great by any stretch, but it was better than last time

  36. Agreed on Westbrook. He was a man possessed and I can’t think of anyone that would have stopped him tonight.

    And what’s with this Jason Smith getting 11 rebounds. Woa! Where did that come from?

  37. Cool, another 38 minutes of mileage on Melo’s bum knee and a meaningless win. These guys can’t even tank right.

    Time to start scouting Kristaps Porzingis and Justise Winslow tapes.

  38. pretty sure the pistons not having jennings is hurting them…. i wonder if they are throwing in the towel on playoff talk…

    Yeah, Jennings was having an out-of-nowhere excellent season and he was a huge part of why they were doing so well post-Smith, so as soon as he was injured, they were pretty much fucked, as there was no way that they were going to be able to replace Jennings’ production with a trade.

  39. Aren’t you one of the guys who is always advocating for accumulating 2nd round draft picks?

    I am for accumulating draft picks, yes, but not for buying them. It’s pretty easy to accumulate them without buying them because they are free. They figuratively grow on trees. To have them, all you have to do is not give them away.

    So to trade your really good player to replenish your second round draft pick supply isn’t really a good move in my eyes. Even if it wasn’t Phil that traded them in the first place (though he did trade one to get rid of Outlaw, whom he traded Ellington for).

    But that’s not the point I was making. The point I was angling at is that I’d have more confidence in Phil’s plan for the future if he hadn’t botched his plan for the present as badly as he has (which he admitted he did, when he said: “Obviously I didn’t do the right thing in picking the group of guys that were here…in anticipating that we were going to better, that we were giving hope to our fans that maybe there’s a possible playoff opportunity here, you know, that goes on me.”)

  40. While he definitely screwed up, I thought that this team could be competitive, too, so I certainly don’t begrudge Jackson for thinking so, as well. I was off base and I appreciate that he conceded that he was, as well. What I do begrudge him for a bit is actually pursuing “competitive” in the first place, when he should have been trying to tank all along. He luckily was so far off with his evaluation of the team that he lucked into tanking anyways, but his desire to compete for the #8 seed was nonsensical to begin with. Just like it was foolish to sign a 30-year-old guy to a mega max when your best case scenario in Year 1 (i.e. theoretically the best year you’re going to get from the player out of the five years) is barely making the playoffs.

  41. The Hawks tonight matched their win total for all of last season.

    Yeah, some of the dogmatic stat guys around here over the years have claimed that coaches don’t really have an effect on success except to give the right/wrong players rotation time. But the Hawks– a team that tried to tank it’s way out of the playoffs last year only to be out inepted by our Knicks– are proving that a coach (and chemistry!) can make a world of difference to an NBA team.

  42. The thing that gets me about the Hawks is why don’t more teams hire Spur assistants? You’d think Pop would have a greater coaching tree than he actually has (it’s basically Budenholzer, Jacque Vaughan, and Mike Brown – Quinn Snyder also coached for the Spurs D-League team).

    Did you know that it was Budenholzer who convinced the Spurs to make the Leonard trade?

  43. One of the most hilarious parts of this whole Hawks thing is that Danny Ferry might very well win Executive of the Year. Wouldn’t that be hilariously awful? Honestly, for that very reason I bet no one votes for him even if he deserves it because they don’t want to deal with possible headlines like “Racist GM Wins Executive of the Year” (of course, opinions vary as to whether it is racist itself to read someone else’s racist comments to a room full of people – I lean towards yes. He could have easily skipped over the racist stuff when he was delivering the report to the group. That he didn’t think it was important enough to omit is a big knock on Ferry)!

  44. BTW, Jeff Teague is playing great, looks like a steal at 8 millions a year, and lots of people in this board wanted no part of him last year. Maybe he falls back to his usual 54%TS, but having that kind of production at that salary for a nonrookie is great.

    You know, perhaps it isnt such a bad idea to resign your own players after they finish their rookie contracts;, even if their deals look overpriced at the moment of the extension. You get their prime years when they already have experience with the team. I regret giving away Shumpert….

  45. (of course, opinions vary as to whether it is racist itself to read someone else’s racist comments to a room full of people – I lean towards yes. He could have easily skipped over the racist stuff when he was delivering the report to the group. That he didn’t think it was important enough to omit is a big knock on Ferry)

    My opinion is slightly different: I think that was a very stupid blunder, but I am not sure about calling Ferry just racist. I mean, that was really dumb, but you have to consider that more often than not camaraderie is built upon stupid, politically incorrect jokes that nobody would be proud to tell in public (or would be serious about it). I may have all the contempt in the world about that (and in fact I do), but more than racism that is plain and simple ignorance. While to me ignorance is a much worse crime than racism, because racism is just a subset of ignorance, I’m pretty sure nobody send anyone away on an indeterminate leave of absence for ignorance. I think this is what happens when problems like racism are not addressed firmly from the beginning, and to that extent it’s not like Stern has ever done a great job, honestly. But I’m not calling Ferry a racist. Just an ignorant man, which as I already said is much, much worse.

    If we got rid of ignorance in this world we all would be living better. So why don’t we address ignorance in the same way as we do about racism or sexism?

    Sorry for my ranting.

  46. BTW, Jeff Teague is playing great, looks like a steal at 8 millions a year, and lots of people in this board wanted no part of him last year. Maybe he falls back to his usual 54%TS, but having that kind of production at that salary for a nonrookie is great.

    You know, perhaps it isnt such a bad idea to resign your own players after they finish their rookie contracts;, even if their deals look overpriced at the moment of the extension. You get their prime years when they already have experience with the team. I regret giving away Shumpert….

    I think we were all fine with Teague for Shumpert. Just not Teague for a first round pick. And based on what we knew at the time, it would have been a bad deal. I’m still cool with turning down Lowry for a first rounder based on what we knew at the time, and Lowry is better than Teague.

  47. I think we were all fine with Teague for Shumpert. Just not Teague for a first round pick. And based on what we knew at the time, it would have been a bad deal. I’m still cool with turning down Lowry for a first rounder based on what we knew at the time, and Lowry is better than Teague.

    I agree that it did not make sense for NY. But there were voices that said that they did not want it even if he played for free…, or saying how Nick Calathes was a proof that paying 8 millions for teague was foolish.

    Sometimes you have to give time to players. Mike Conley’s deal looks much better now than when he signed the extension, too.

  48. True, sometimes players take a long time to develop, but sometimes you sign a young guy for 7 million per and hope he develops and, 3 years later, people are saying, “It sure was dumb to give Landry Fields that kind of money.”

  49. True, sometimes players take a long time to develop, but sometimes you sign a young guy for 7 million per and hope he develops and, 3 years later, people are saying, “It sure was dumb to give Landry Fields that kind of money.”

    Yeah, but Fields went from 39% from deep and 77% from the line to 26% and 56%. I think the nerve damage had something to do with that.

    Injuries will derail any player. But i think it is reasonable that any young player will have his best years just after their rookie contract.

  50. But i think it is reasonable that any young player will have his best years just after their rookie contract.

    This is true based on players aging curves. But it doesn’t mean that the players best years will be worth the extension.

  51. Not paying attention to details is the same strategy that resulted in us trading 1236 draft picks for Barfnani and throwing in Mozgov to Denver. Who knows if $300K will make the difference or not, but why throw it away if you don’t have to?

    Phil knew for sure that he was dealing from a position of considerable strength in regards to contract negotiations with Galloway. 1 – Kid was undrafted and is living out his dream at MSG — so immediately he has emotional ties to the organization. Can’t underestimate that. 2 – he got his chance specifically because he played so well within the Triangle construct – who knows if he would play as well somewhere else? 3 — he was able to make the most of his chance because he went to a team that had 28 min/night to give him. 4 — he was probably only making somewhere between $13K-19K/season in the D-league, and Phil was offering him $250K guaranteed this year and ~$300K next? There is no chance Galloway is turning that down to try to get all $800K guaranteed. And it’s not like he has no chance of making the full $800K – he just has to keep playing well.

    Frank, you made some really solid points in reply to my concerns. I see where you’re coming from. On it’s own, it’s shrewd and that’s something that should be applauded.

    I just hope this shrewdness applies to the rest of our spending this summer. My issue was that I fear we’re saving pennies now so we can waste millions later. Once we miss out on Marc Gasol, it will be interesting to see what happens. Do we sign the next Paul Millsap deal, or the next Amar’e deal? I think most of us are worried it will be the latter.

  52. Check the splits. Fields’ shooting fell of well before the end of his rookie year. After he was a complete zero in the playoffs, several posters (I think jon abbey and I were the most vocal) were totally off the bandwagon. He picked up right where he left off in his 2nd year, so blaming his poor shooting on his injury rather than on his mentality, flat shot and/or poor shooting mechanics is really giving him the benefit of the doubt.

  53. He picked up right where he left off in his 2nd year, so blaming his poor shooting on his injury rather than on his mentality, flat shot and/or poor shooting mechanics is really giving him the benefit of the doubt.

    It is extremely weird that someone has such a drop in FT%, and he shot a significant amount in his first year. I would understand a drop in 3P%, but in FT%?

  54. This is true based on players aging curves. But it doesn’t mean that the players best years will be worth the extension.

    I want to emphasize that there is also value added for keeping the player in a system and a place he already knows. I think there are very few teams that regret having extended one of their own rookies (injuries notwithstanding). Those contracts may not be produce over the salary in the same sense than a rookie deal or a veteran on a minimum or discount deal, however, RFA works in favor of resigning your own FA at a reasonable deal.

  55. “I think there are very few teams that regret having extended one of their own rookies (injuries notwithstanding)”
    Doesn’t that depend to a large extent on the terms of the contract? If the Knicks were able to sign Shumpert to a four year extension at $2 million a year, there is almost no chance that they would live to regret it. On the other hand, if the terms were 4 years at $12 million/year, there is a pretty large chance that they would regret it. Somewhere between those two extremes is the regret tipping point.

  56. “It is extremely weird that someone has such a drop in FT%, and he shot a significant amount in his first year. I would understand a drop in 3P%, but in FT%?”
    Didn’t Fields do something in the off-season between his first and second years to “improve” his mechanics? I seem to remember watching games during his second year and hearing the announcers talking about it and thinking to myself that he should have just left well enough alone.

  57. Didn’t Fields do something in the off-season between his first and second years to “improve” his mechanics? I seem to remember watching games during his second year and hearing the announcers talking about it and thinking to myself that he should have just left well enough alone.

    That is how I remember it as well. I cannot remember the name of the coach. I think it was something about a flat shot or something.

  58. Yeah, Fields began a rapid decline the moment Anthony, and more importantly Billups, arrived. It wasn’t injury related (at least at first). I think he had an identity in a system that was working for him (SSOL), and he had synergy with Amar’e and Fe1ton. Then when Billups came, and they stopped running D’Anotni ball, he stopped getting the ball in flow and started forcing.

    (And I think it was Allen Houston who was working with Fields on fixing his shot. He was also assigned to helping Shumpert with his shot. (Not a robust shot-doctoring resume for Houston, huh?)

  59. Yeah, Fields began a rapid decline the moment Anthony, and more importantly Billups, arrived.

    Do you blame Melo for his decline in FT%?

  60. Do you blame Melo for his decline in FT%?

    I might be inclined to blame Melo for a decline in back door opportunities but it seems too convoluted to get a breakdown of dunks/layups for month or half for that season to see if the eyetest and reality line up.

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