2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Sixers, AKA “Tankageddon 2015”

In one of the most exciting games of the new year, the Knicks and the 76ers face off in a dramatic battle to see who gets more ping pong balls in the NBA Draft Lottery this June. The Sixers made a decisive move in preparation for the battle today by holding back “sick” Nerlens Noel (Tony Wroten is also out, but I think he’s legitimately injured).

Let’s see whether Melo has a mysterious stomach flu right before tip-off.

On top of exciting, this might be one of the ugliest games of the year, but it might also be so ugly that it turns around and becomes beautiful.

Let’s go! Knicks!

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86 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Sixers, AKA “Tankageddon 2015””

  1. I’m hoping we get a good game out of some of the young players, but still find a way to lose. Is that too much to ask for?

  2. I’m hoping we get a good game out of some of the young players, but still find a way to lose. Is that too much to ask for?

    That’s been my hope for the last 2 months.

  3. Something’s Wroten in the state of Pennsylvania, start Jason Smith at point guard, and show ’em how to really tank!

  4. I was to see Jason Smith go off for 50 points tonight on 22 shots because I’m a glutton for punishment.

  5. Let’s go Sixers, let’s go!

    Let’s go Sixers, let’s go!

    Let’s go Sixers, let’s go!

  6. Am I the only one worried about the fact that Fisher/Jackson continue to play Jason Smith so many minutes when he’s obviously terrible?

    If you can’t tell that he’s bad, you can’t be a competent judge of player value.

  7. This has been a heroic first half from Timmy and Melo. 10 points on 14 shots. Fuck yo tank, Philly!

  8. I mean, you pick this game to play, Carmelo? Don’t you want to play for a good team one day?

  9. I predict that at some point in the relatively near future, we will trade 2 unprotected first round picks for MCW.

  10. My favorite part about tank fest so far: The Sixers’ announcers have been strenuously complaining all game that Melo is getting hosed by the refs.

  11. You think Jah is even a tiny bit embarrassed that he’s being outrebounded both by a 6’2″ rookie fresh from the D-League and Goddamn Jose Calderon?

  12. Best comment of the 1st half from Clyde: “the Sixers are bringing the Knicks down to their level”

    Uh, Clyde, I think we arrived at their level many months ago.

  13. I don’t think there’s been a happier player on a bad team than MCW. “I get to shoot any time I like? Wheee!”

  14. It would be so fucking Melo of Melo to play just enough to lose us the first couple lottery slots, talk about his leadership, and then shut it down and get knee surgery.

    Also, Calderon is a dick.

  15. Wow…the sheer suckage in this game is astounding. These guys are missing repeated tip ins and chucking up bricks like the grade 4/5 team I coach.

  16. Love Galloway’s motor and toughness. Pleasure to watch this guy. Can we just put him out there alone with the Sixers?

  17. If you had told me before the season started that beginning a winning streak and beating Philly on the same night would be one of the worst things the Knicks could do all season, I’d have called you an idiot. Turns out, the Knicks are idiots. Losing>>>>Winning at this point.

  18. I have to live in Philly so I need a win… I don’t care about ping pongers tonight … Pride for a local

  19. If Yannick Noah and my mom had a baby, his name would be Lou Amundson. Keep hustling little bro!!!!

  20. Even if we win we’re 7-36! Nothing stops the tank its well oiled and cruising. If we start to approach 20 wins then its time to legitimately be angry about W’s

  21. Holy shit Galloway! That was awesome. Good for him. Anyone else on this team I’d be pissed at for that dagger 3ptr.

  22. I’ll take Gallo showing clutchness over the tank. Keep building your confidence the real Gallo.

  23. I really do enjoy seeing Galloway play decently. This team is going to need players next year, so I’m all for bringing in more D-Leaguers who might show they deserve spots next year.

    Question that I have no idea what the answer is – can the Knicks sign Galloway to a two-year deal for the minimum now? That would be a cap-friendly deal and would keep a decent player on the team for next season. I doubt he’d turn such a deal down.

  24. As for the win, Philly is so bad it is hard to blame them for beating them. So I am not too bummed. I mean, I’m a little annoyed, but only a little teensy bit.

  25. I will enjoy watching Gallo versus Oladipo on Fri.

    Also, I really wish there was a way to sneak Kyle O’quinn out of Orl this summer.

  26. Brian, I agree with signing him now for 2 years. That’s what they should’ve done with Lin just as Linsanity hit. Get them while they’re still hungry.

  27. Is there a deadline for teams signing FAs who are playing overseas after their seasons have ended?

  28. Anyone see that coast-to-coast fast break that Zbo just led and scored (left handed) against 5 Raptors?! Crazy night in the NBA.

  29. Lin was a different situation, GoNyGoNYGo, because they picked him up from waivers, so they got his then-current contract, so they’d have to have given him an extension and I don’t believe they would have been allowed to give him such an extension at that point in the season. I am pretty sure, though, that players newly signed can get any sort of contract, so i believe they can sign Galloway to a two-year deal with a team option for year 2

  30. Didn’t the Knicks do a similar 2yr deal with a big a few years ago right before the playoffs.

  31. Oh, you think the tank is your ally, but you merely adopted the tank. We were born in it, molded by

  32. My favorite part about tank fest so far: The Sixers’ announcers have been strenuously complaining all game that Melo is getting hosed by the refs.

    Haha. That’s awesome.

  33. Didn’t the Knicks do a similar 2yr deal with a big a few years ago right before the playoffs.

    Dan Gadzuric.

  34. Hot damn-Brandon Jennings had 21 assists tonight. Drummond with another monster game as well. Maybe Morey just plans to cut Josh Smith before the playoffs start?

  35. Does anyone think that the Spurs would go after Love this off season? I know Love is said to want to go to a big market if he doesn’t stay in Cleveland but how could he turn down the Spurs?

  36. Why do some of you hate MELO? I just think if we will have a fantasy draft where all players are available there is a chance that I will pick MELO if lebron is not available

  37. I love Paul Pierce game but I see Melo as much better player the Pierce. I still believe he can be a cornerstone of our franchise. 1 great pick in the draft, plus good free agency pick up I think will be enough. We all wanted to have a player like Lebron but the fact is there is only one Lebron. Having Melo is not a bad option

  38. I just think if we will have a fantasy draft where all players are available there is a chance that I will pick MELO if lebron is not available

    The return of ruru!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. “I don’t know how to have that mindset,” Anthony said on Wednesday night after the Knicks beat the Philadelphia 76ers 98-91 to improve to 7-36. “…. Having that mindset as a basketball player, as a competitor it’s just hard to do unless you don’t care about the game, what happens and your performance. To say that we’re going to go out there and we want to lose a basketball game, I think that’s a bad mentality to have.”

    Maybe Melo will want out!

  40. Why do some of you hate MELO? I just think if we will have a fantasy draft where all players are available there is a chance that I will pick MELO if lebron is not available

    I don’t know who is hating Melo. I surely don’t love him, but I don’t see many guys who hate on him. We’re hating his contract, but that’s not his fault. We’re hating his iso-ways, but I’m not sure this year it’s his fault. I just don’t think he can be a viable franchise player at this stage of his career for us.

  41. Does anyone think that the Spurs would go after Love this off season? I know Love is said to want to go to a big market if he doesn’t stay in Cleveland but how could he turn down the Spurs?

    I think the Spurs will target Marc Gasol, if Duncan and Manu retire. Love is not a good fit on San Antonio.

  42. Seriously anyway, I think this is a good win. We have to win three more in, what, 39 games? Let’s squeeze the Melo lemon until the ASG and then tank as if there’s no tomorrow. As I said, if we finish 13-69 we’ll still have the worst record in the NBA. Growing Galloway’s confidence can only be good for us. And I like the fact that Fisher seems to be stabilizing his rotations. At least those two wins showed us he can be consistent game in game out. That’s an improvement.

    Can you believe Jah posted back-to-back good-ish games? First 6 ast, now 3 blk. He’s the return of Tom Boerwinkle!

  43. It’s kind of hard to believe that as poorly as he’s played, Melo is still posting a .540 TS% (I’m not sure what the league average is this year but it’s usually right around there) with a usage over 30. On the one hand you could say congratulations- you’re paying a league average scorer 23m dollars a year- you’re doomed. On the other hand, if he’s able to do that on one leg at 29 then maybe he can still give you a couple more years like the last two where his combination of above average efficiency, low turnovers and high usage give him some real value- not 23m dollars worth certainly but enough value that the gap between what he gives you versus what you’re paying him isn’t so great that it sinks your team.

  44. Of course, if you want to get any value out of him next year maybe you shouldn’t play him 40 f’ing minutes on a bad knee. Seriously, how crazy is that? I get that Melo wants to play and it’d be tough to force him to sit. But that doesn’t mean you have to play him 40 minutes in a game that means less than nothing. In the long run that’s just unconscionable.

  45. On the other hand, if he’s able to do that on one leg at 29 then maybe he can still give you a couple more years like the last two where his combination of above average efficiency, low turnovers and high usage give him some real value- not 23m dollars worth certainly but enough value that the gap between what he gives you versus what you’re paying him isn’t so great that it sinks your team.

    nicos, that’s kind of what I’m hoping, save for the high usage. I don’t think there are more than 4-5 players in the whole league who should get >30 usage for the sake of their own teams (Durant, James, Harden, Cousins, maybe Steph Curry). I think if Melo gets a 25 usage is for the better.

    I suppose Melo wants to play till ASG (and if the Knicks win a few more games in the next days his presence as a starter will seem deserved and dignified). Then as a team you should and could put him to rest for the season.

    Sidenote: Mirotic getting more votes than Horford? Wow.

  46. To anyone who is more productive. If there is nobody like that, then split the money. Paul Millsap and Al Horford are making less money combined! Stephen Curry and Iguodala are making the same money combined! Chris Paul is making less money!

    I’m obviously not saying that we could have had those exact guys instead of Melo. That would be ignoring a lot of things. What I’m saying is that is was evident that in this CBA paying 22 million per year Melo was far from the best case. In fact, I’d argue that the ceiling of that contract is a C+ (Melo stays healthy and declines gracefully while being paid slightly too much in his 33 and 34 year-old career while we build a multi-year contender around our 2015 draft pick), while the floor is an F (Melo breaks down after this knee injury). We shouldn’t have signed him to more than 18 million per year. Would that have been disrespectful to Melo? Nah, we owed him nothing. Would he have been able to get the same money elsewhere? Yeah, sure. His money, his decision. Look, if we had a solid foundation already in place I would absolutely have said “ok, that’s an overpay but we have to do it”. But we had (and are having even more) a frigging house of cards, so why hamstring yourself with a meh-to-bad contract in the hope of we don’t know what?

    Obviously, none of this is a knock on Melo. He just took what somebody else offered. I probably would have done the same.

  47. The thing is it is close to impossible for us to sign those players. Who will be the available free agents? 25 mil to gasol? aldridge? rondo? or save money with the hope that we will be lucky in 2016?

  48. To anyone who is more productive. If there is nobody like that, then split the money. Paul Millsap and Al Horford are making less money combined! Stephen Curry and Iguodala are making the same money combined! Chris Paul is making less money!

    Max contracts are based on years of service and or previous contracts.
    Melo has been in the nba for 11 years. Once you are over 10 years you can make as much as melo.
    Chris Paul has 9 years
    Milsap has 8
    Horford has 7 etc.

    This is an apples to oranges comparison.

  49. The team has been at best mediocre other than the one 54 win season since the trade for Melo in 2010-2011 so who cares. It is mindboggling that anyone defends him as the centerpiece of a team built to go deep in the playoffs. Yes he is the best player, and he tries, in his way, but it really hasn’t worked. Denver was Denver. He was younger and paid less so better talent could be assembled around him. That hasn’t happened here at all. Not one single young FA has been acquired, with the exception of Tyson. Sometimes I think this place should be named Shellshocked.com because that might be the best or most hopeful explanation.

  50. Yes. But do we ever have a playoff appearance without MELO? The last time I remember our best player in that playoff game is Penny Hardaway. Remember that?

  51. Was at the game last night, here are some of my observations. Jason Smith is truly horrendous. Amare’s defense is not just bad, it’s comical. Smith DID get 3 blocks, but in going up and trying to contest EVERY shot that came to him, he had his back to the basket and no one boxed out or got rebounds. I like the Langston-Calderon backcourt pairing. Might even be better if it was Langston-Prigs. I got to my seat at 6 and saw Pablo shooting around and doing a good amount of exercise. I saw (I think it was) Cleanthony shooting around too. He nailed straightaway 3’s without jumping! That fucking turd Bargs was in shorts for some reason, as if he was actually working out, talking to some random white guy the whole time during the shootaround. Lastly, Cole was literally at the very end of the bench, last guy. Who was next to him? Bargs. -_-

  52. So we are all about aspiring to first round exits in a pathetic conference them I don’t know what to say. He is better than Marbury, woo hoo!! I think the Ewing-Oakley Knicks are a better benchmark. They was always the hope that this might be the year they beat Jordan. Never happened but that should be the goal if you can’t be the “Jordan” team. Fantasizing about beating Jordan when the last series went 6 games is a whole lot better than what there is now.

  53. @81

    While we would have completely broken Amar’e’s knees given MDA’s penchant to overuse his players, we would have gone to the playoffs in 2010-11 even without Melo.

    @79

    Not really, the only apples to oranges comparison is the one between Paul and Melo (both max players). The other contracts are sub-max anyway, meaning that those players signed for an amount significantly under the max. Oh, and I wrote this:

    I’m obviously not saying that we could have had those exact guys instead of Melo. That would be ignoring a lot of things.

    Because I knew that was not a precise comparison. But my point was that it’s not a must to sign your best player to a max contract, unless he is the surest thing possible, and Melo isn’t (look at his efficiency, his WS48, his odometer).

    @78

    I suggest we sign one between Matthews, Danny Green or Afflalo, plus either a) Draymond Green (quite unlikely) or b) a competent PF or C (Kosta Koufos, Kevin Seraphin, Thomas Robinson) and a good shooter from the bench (Gerald Green, Belinelli, Dorell Wright are just some examples).

  54. I get that Melo wants to play and it’d be tough to force him to sit. But that doesn’t mean you have to play him 40 minutes in a game that means less than nothing. In the long run that’s just unconscionable.

    Yes and wasn’t that supposed to be the chief advantage of Phil Jackson, that he would have the profile and clout to effect a change in Melo’s game and, in this situation, shut him down or limit his minutes? It’s probable that neither Jackson nor Fisher want to finish with the worst record in the league. Jackson doesn’t want to hear this the rest of his life: When no MJ, Kobe, Shaq were present, PJ presided over a team which finished with the worst record in the league.

    I don’t know what Cleveland’s cap situation will be this summer but a Melo, Love swap via S&T might be a real possibility. What if Love declares he’s leaving Cavs and has some interest in NYK like what’s been reported? If Cavs are over the cap, is there any real disadvantage to them to make that deal even though he’s not the piece they need? It would depend on what other over-the-cap teams where there is a mutual Love interest might offer (e.g., Draymond/Lee). Melo would be a better defender than Love at the 4 position and defer to LBJ. It’s not optimal but Melo has thrived on all-star teams.

  55. Not really, the only apples to oranges comparison is the one between Paul and Melo (both max players). The other contracts are sub-max anyway, meaning that those players signed for an amount significantly under the max. Oh, and I wrote this:

    Yea yea you qualified the poor anology. It’s still true. Max player entails more than on court production too. This is a business. Wherein you want players to be even more massively underpaid than they are. Milsap came in the league as a role bench player so that hindered his pay. Paul is at max and horford can get whatever he wants do to bird rights. The whole owner bs about being poor and losing players is why the players are in this bond with fans. If the Knicks were over the commie salary cap it wouldn’t matter anyway right?

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