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Knicks Morning News (2018.11.30)

  • [Hoops Rumors] Atlantic Notes: Dinwiddie, Knicks, Hollis-Jefferson, Sixers
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:38:27 PM)

    Nets guard Spencer Dinwiddie will be eligible to sign a contract extension with the team on December 8, and the 25-year-old took time Thursday to address the situation with reporters. Dinwiddie, in his third season with the team, assured he would love to stay long-term. “I would love to have an extension,” Dinwiddie said, according […]

  • [Newsday] Atlantic Notes: Dinwiddie, Knicks, Hollis-Jefferson, Sixers
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:38:27 PM)

    Nets guard Spencer Dinwiddie will be eligible to sign a contract extension with the team on December 8, and the 25-year-old took time Thursday to address the situation with reporters. Dinwiddie, in his third season with the team, assured he would love to stay long-term. “I would love to have an extension,” Dinwiddie said, according […]

  • [NYPost] Scouts, execs shred Knicks’ 1st-rounders as ‘soft’ — and worse
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:02:36 PM)

    If the Knicks’ last two lottery picks were stocks, they’d be plummeting. It’s been an inglorious November for 2017 first-round selection Frank Ntilikina and 2018 first-rounder Kevin Knox. Ntilikina was selected eighth, Knox ninth — but neither has come close to playing up to that status, leaving league personnel, including some coaches, less than glowing…

  • [NYPost] Knicks have roster cut to make with Trier contract coming
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:22:23 AM)

    Undrafted rookie Allonzo Trier’s 45-day limit on an NBA roster comes up around Dec. 15 — pending any future cancelled practices, according to sources. At that juncture, Trier’s two-way G-League contract will be converted to a mainstream NBA contract but it doesn’t have to be for his $838,000 minimum. The New York Knicks never used…

  • [NYTimes] Unwanted in L.A., Brook Lopez Became Milwaukee’s ‘Splash Mountain’
    (Friday, November 30, 2018 1:30:05 AM)

    A decade into his career, Lopez has expanded his range, opening the lane for Giannis Antetokounmpo and allowing the Milwaukee Bucks to thrive.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: How to Improve the 4-17 Suns? Coach Kokoskov’s Got a List
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:33:06 PM)

    The worst team in basketball is a project with holes to plug and flaws to fix and problems to overcome.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Enes Kanter truly embracing New York City with subway, Times Square visits
    (Friday, November 30, 2018 1:53:31 AM)

    Enes Kanter truly embodies the New York City lifestyle, visiting the city’s top attractions despite his status as the Knicks’ center.

  • [SNY Knicks] There is reportedly ‘NBA-wide’ trade interest in Knicks’ Frank Ntilikina
    (Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:30:04 AM)

    The Magic are reportedly among the teams interested in Frank Ntilikina, while the 76ers were scouting him during Wednesday’s game. But there could be more teams interested.

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    102 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.30)

    1. Z-man

      Thanks, Owen! Bring back doubleheaders!!

      As an aside, I tried (unsuccessfully) to find evidence of Wilt wearing an alternative jersey that game…pretty sure it had to be March 12, 1968, as it was in the new MSG and that was Wilt’s last year with the 76ers. In researching, I was not only reminded that these 4-team doubleheaders a major thing dating way back, but that in the early ’60s, when there was a doubleheader, literally half of the teams in the league were in one building!

    2. Farfa

      Frank looks like someone who might benefit from tough love.

      Kevin looks like someone who woke up three seconds ago.

    3. Stratomatic "In economic terms, the Knicks are in a double dip recession"

      Frank looks like someone who might benefit from tough love.

      Kevin looks like someone who woke up three seconds ago.

      To me, they look like kids whose beards and underarm hair isn’t even finished filling out. That makes them about 5-7 years away from their peaks (give or take).

      I haven’t changed my view at all despite all the trade talk and scout bashing.

      I still think we had a good draft overall and have quite a few good young pieces. Knox wasn’t my first choice and I initially had reservations about Frank that may turn out to be correct, but I still love Frank now despite the shooting woes and like Trier, Robinson, and Vonleh. It’s WAY too early to know what Knox will become.

      I think the Knicks should keep doing what they are doing, though I think settling into more stable rotations would be beneficial. The idea is to develop the rookies and see who among the reclamation projects might be able to stick long term in case it seems obvious Leonard, Durant, and Irving are not coming. If no legit max player is coming, then we should selectively add players like Vonleh (or whoever) long term if they prove themselves. As long as they are good players on fair contracts, they can be moved later. We should roll the remaining cap space over. Wherever that lands us in the draft is fine by me.

    4. Farfa

      My evaluation of Trier is strictly contingent on the contract he’ll sign. If it’s a one-year deal, it’s pretty inconsequential.

    5. Brian Cronin

      As long as they are good players on fair contracts, they can be moved later.

      I guess that’s strong evidence that Courtney Lee is either not a good player or he wasn’t signed to a fair contract.

    6. Hubert

      That Durant game a) was awesome, and b) is why I think he might actually come here. He’d get to do that all the time.

    7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      pretty sure it had to be March 12, 1968

      Did you take your grandkids to that one?

      (good story though)

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25407024/10-things-like-including-luka-doncic-moves-nba

      I normally like Zach Lowe (obviously), but his bit about Zach LeVine’s defense is plain wrong with the clip he shows at #8.

      Sexton head-fakes not one, not two, but three of Bulls defenders like he’s channeling Andre Miller. Watch Robin Lopez, Chandler Hutchison and LaVine all make a hard feint after Sexton looks right and creates space for Clarkson. (Note that this is not the normal “spacing” argument, where a player’s mere presence makes open looks for his teammates. This is a savvy move that sets the defense off-balance.)

      I expect better from Lowe. I don’t think there are many defenders in the league that wouldn’t have bit on that fake, especially since Sexton is looking right between the Hutchison/LaVine gap for a teammate that he knows isn’t there.

    9. Hubert

      If y’all start talking about Angband variants I’m gonna question my sanity.

      Are we talking about the same Angband where Fingolfin challenged Morgoth to mortal combat?

      Aside: if the Amazon Prime show that they’re making with the rights to Tolkien’s work is anything other than 8 seasons of The Silmarillion I’m going to be extremely disappointed.

    10. Nick C.

      Are we talking about the same Angband where Fingolfin challenged Morgoth to mortal combat?

      Aside: if the Amazon Prime show that they’re making with Tolkien’s rights is anything other than 8 seasons of The Silmarillion I’m going to be extremely disappointed.

      I had heard it was going to be based on the Hurin/Huor book that came out a few years ago (which was just putting their stories from the Silmarillion into one separate book). I just hope it is not done like the Hobbit movies

    11. Donnie Walsh

      Sexton head-fakes not one, not two, but three of Bulls defenders like he’s channeling Andre Miller.

      Sexton head-fakes not one, not two, but three of Bulls defenders then turns to Charles Smith and says “was that so fucking hard, Chuck?”

    12. Stratomatic "In economic terms, the Knicks are in a double dip recession"

      I guess that’s strong evidence that Courtney Lee is either not a good player or he wasn’t signed to a fair contract.

      IMO, Lee is a solid 3 point shooter, plays average defense, and is a great locker room guy/vet to have on a team of young players. He’s a borderline starter depending on the team and would be a good piece on a few playoff teams.

      I think he was signed to a fair contract in the market in which he was a free agent, but the market changed because the cap did not grow as fast as expected (that accounts for quite a few deals that made sense at the time but look sketchy now). His playing did not change.

      I also think the current market is not efficient. IMO, the market is overvaluing draft picks (perhaps by a lot given the age of the draftees, their development time, and the risk of having to extend a player before they have proven their worth or are productive enough to warrant it).

      I think current management has been overvaluing Lee because he’s such a great guy to have on the team and they were putting a lot of value on that. That held up potential deals previously. At this point though, I’m not even sure what their plans are. They know they have to get him on the court before they can deal him. They still value him highly as a player and as a locker room presence. They also want space. Sometimes you have to sell in a bad market at the wrong time because a better deal is available.

    13. Brian Cronin

      @8 more the latter, no?

      I think it basically just means that a “fair contract” is a meaningless term in a vacuum.

    14. thenoblefacehumper

      I think he was signed to a fair contract in the market in which he was a free agent, but the market changed because the cap did not grow as fast as expected (that accounts for quite a few deals that made sense at the time but look sketchy now). His playing did not change.

      The cap was projected to be around $5m higher than it currently is. This is what would make all the difference?

    15. DRed

      I think the thing with players like Lee, who are roughly average, is that you can find guys like that who aren’t being fairly paid. Teams would probably have traded for Lee for a season, but they think they can put his money to better use in the future (even if they were wrong).

    16. ProjectKnicks

      Courtney Lee is the epitome of the NBA career journeyman: good enough to hand around, from team to team; not good enough to move the needle in a significant way. His contract is a mistake.

    17. Stratomatic "In economic terms, the Knicks are in a double dip recession"

      I think it basically just means that a “fair contract” is a meaningless term in a vacuum.

      This is the way I think about it.

      A “fair contract” is a subjective estimate of a player’s value based on his production and the cap projections.

      The “market value” of the player is what others are willing to pay and may be different than your own personal subjective estimate of fair value.

      The “intrinsic value” of the player is the actual value if we had perfect foresight and valued every attribute perfectly (which we can’t).

      If you are better than the market as a whole at assessing intrinsic value (the real value), you should be able to exploit the market in deals here or there by trading players/picks that are overvalued and getting players/picks/space when they are undervalued.

      However, you may not be able to do that when you want because you are dependent on the market.

      You may have to sit on a good player on a fair contract because the market doesn’t like him right now in the same way you may be able to dump a player that’s not worth anywhere near what he’s being paid because other people are overvaluing his skills.

      And obviously, you have to be smarter than the market, which is more difficult than people think.

    18. DRed

      Yeah we should have offered courtney something like 2 years 36 million (actually we shouldn’t have signed him at all, but given that the Knicks thought they were going to be good)

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      IMO, Lee is a solid 3 point shooter, plays average defense, and is a great locker room guy/vet to have on a team of young players. He’s a borderline starter depending on the team and would be a good piece on a few playoff teams.

      He’s an excellent 3PT shooter.

      He’s also 33 and has missed all 23 games so far this season. Athletes are not static entities. If it’s 2012, then yeah, sure, whatever. But the eve of 2019? Nah, definitely not.

    20. Stratomatic "In economic terms, the Knicks are in a double dip recession"

      @23

      Lee’s age will be relevant to some teams depending on where they are in their development and what they need. Other than that, he could be 45 and if you think he’ll be productive for 2 more years based on what you know it shouldn’t matter.

      The injury is an issue because it puts a “?” on his current level of play, but imo, he was as good last year as he ever was. I see no reason he won’t come back from a “neck issue” fine after a few weeks of catching up and getting his condition and stroke back. If it was a knee, back, or serious problem it would be different. He’ll probably start off bad in general even if he has a good game here or there. Then he’ll get sharper.

      On our current path our future is a few years away. We don’t need him. We may need space. If we have to pay to move him we probably will even though imo it would be a bad deal. But a small bad deal that paves the way for Durant is not something I would not complain about.

    21. Stratomatic "In economic terms, the Knicks are in a double dip recession"

      Stefan Bondy
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      According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, the Knicks have their two-year biannual exception and a small part of their midlevel exception to use in negotiations with Allonzo Trier. Trier’s two-way deal expires in mid-December.

    22. Bruno Almeida

      The Clippers won again, moved to 15-6 and are 10-2 since moving SGA to the starting lineup. I’m starting to think they might be the current NBA version of that Nuggets 2013 team they won 57 games.

      A lot of really efficient and productive good players without a real superstar, a rotation that can go 10 deep and maybe even more, a lot better on offense than defense… also, Tobias Harris might just be a star after all those years bouncing around.

    23. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      Doing more reading than posting the last few days. With big mood swings about the team, I wanted to figure out whether it’s just wins and losses influencing me or something else.

      It is something else. It is the creeping dread that the Frank/Dot/Mudiay/Hez situation looks like what it seems to be: Perry’s guys, and not Perry’s guys. There is no worse factor in decision-making than needing to be right. I do believe they gave Frank a shot, but he struggled, and it seems like they no longer believe in him. But that is less of a problem to them when he isn’t their guy. We traded low on Willy, and it seems likely we’re about to do the same with Frank, because he is not their guy.

      Do I think Frank is good now? No. Do I think he’s an NBA player? Maybe. Do I think we should give a young cost-controlled asset as much playing time as possible to know for sure? Yes. The same, of course, for Dotson, who at least had shown he could be a fine bench player… Again, cost-controlled.

      But Perry drafted Hez, and wants to prove he’s right, when there IS NO UPSIDE AT ALL TO DOING SO. With him and Mudiay, proving he was right only means paying market value to keep them. Utterly pointless. Giving up on Frank now? Also pointless.

      If the people making the decisions are not only making poor decisions based on outdated points of view (“pointzz”), but also because they need to prove their mistakes were not mistakes, there is truly little hope.

      And I felt so optimistic a week ago…

    24. Brian Cronin

      Can Trier just sign with anyone after Dec 15th?

      That’s the fascinating thing. If he just refuses to accept the Knicks’ offer, it’s mutually assured destruction, as he would then have to play in the G-League for the rest of the season, which would fuck over both him and the Knicks (but more him). He would then be a restricted free agent at the end of the season. So the Knicks still have a lot of leverage here to get him to agree to a contract for the rest of this season. It’s that second year that is tricky. At this point, who knows if he even accepts the bi-annual for a second year?

    25. Farfa

      Frank/Dot/Mudiay/Hez situation looks like what it seems to be: Perry’s guys, and not Perry’s guys. There is no worse factor in decision-making than needing to be right. I do believe they gave Frank a shot, but he struggled, and it seems like they no longer believe in him. But that is less of a problem to them when he isn’t their guy. We traded low on Willy, and it seems likely we’re about to do the same with Frank, because he is not their guy.

      Perry’s looking more and more like a politician with an hidden agenda (sort of a perfect Dolan guy) who found a charismatic mouthpiece as his coach (sort of a perfect Dolan guy).

    26. Brian Cronin

      In the NBA, I don’t think so (he’d still be an RFA). Maybe in Europe or China?

      Maybe China, but doesn’t Europe respect G-League contracts? I forget. But anyhow, the key thing to remember is that he is currently under contract for the whole year right now. So he’s already stuck with the Knicks, it’s just a question of whether it is here or the G-League (or maybe China ;)).

    27. Farfa

      Yeah, I think Europe does that. But if I were Trier’s agent I’d advise him not to settle for anything less than the biannual. The highlight reel is already complete and his advanced stats are good for a rookie.

    28. Brian Cronin

      Mike Vorkunov dropped some knowledge that I didn’t know. We recently learned that Trier told other teams in the second round not to draft him because he wanted to go undrafted and sign with the Knicks rather than get drafted by the specific teams that were interested in him. Which sounds good for the Knicks. However, Vorkunov says that the Knicks actually told Trier that they were going to use their second on him and they changed their mind when MitchRob was surprisingly available at their pick, so Vorkunov thinks that Trier might bear a grudge over that. I didn’t know that that had happened.

    29. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, I think Europe does that. But if I were Trier’s agent I’d advise him not to settle for anything less than the biannual. The highlight reel is already complete and his advanced stats are good for a rookie.

      I’d hold out for the bi-annual for the rest of this season, but I think I’d risk getting injured and go to restricted free agency at the end of this season.

    30. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Trier got lucky to be drafted by the Knicks. He’s had little competition for big minutes, which is rare for a guy on a two-way contract. He’s played >30m six times already, and has never played less than 12 minutes nor taken fewer than 3 shots in a game. The rookies who have played more minutes than him were drafted 1, 5, 3, 11, 8 and 7. He’s played more minutes than Bagley, Jaren Jackson, Mikal Bridges, Miles Bridges, Bamba, and the great 3-on-3 legend Kevin Knox.

      It sucks for him that he didn’t go in the lottery, which is clearly where he’d belong if we redrafted today. Missed out on a lot of money that way. But the way to earn a second contract is playing time. Look at Jordan Bell: a productive young player on a cheap contract. $2.1M total contract value. Also stuck on the bench behind a couple of Capela-style bigs and Draymond Green, soon to be Cousins too. He’s played just twice as many minutes as Trier has, despite having a ring and being, according to the stats, a guy who really helps his team win games. Put him on Atlanta or Cleveland or Phoenix and I think you’re looking at a very different reputation in the league.

      It’s easy to see Trier in Houston as an early 2nd rounder, never seeing the floor and washing out to a foreign league because he never got a chance to prove that he’s an NBA player. If I’m him, I accept the contract to secure my first million or two, and then ball out to become a free agent a year or two before the “lucky” guys who got drafted in the first round and are at the mercy of their franchise for four years.

    31. Brian Cronin

      But why not try to get to restricted free agency at the end of this season? A two-year/$10 million contract offer from a team wouldn’t be out of the ordinary at all, right? The Knicks gave Ron Baker 2/$9 million just last season! Especially if the Knicks are obsessed with clearing out max cap space, someone making Trier a 2/$10 million contract offer would totally screw with the Knicks’ cap room and you could almost see the Knicks passing on such an offer.

    32. Brian Cronin

      I apologize for even putting this scenario into the ether, but I just thought of a worst case scenario. Trier signs for just the rest of this season. First day of free agency, Durant says he will meet with five teams over the course of five days, the Knicks being one of them. Team X (let’s say….I dunno…Sacramento) offers Trier a two-year deal for $12 million at midnight of the first day of free agency. Durant tells Knicks he is seriously considering them. They can’t afford to lose any cap space and they only have two days to decide, so they have to not match. Durant then signs elsewhere. Soul crushing how realistic that scenario sounds, right?

    33. d-mar

      Question: does Durant winning a championship this year (or not) affect his decision to leave the Warriors? I personally think he’s made his mind up already, but winning his 2nd title might make him more willing to go somewhere where his chances are way lower to win another (i.e. your NY Knicks)

      Thoughts?

    34. Brian Cronin

      This would be his third title. I think three titles actually makes him slightly less likely to leave, as he would have a legit chance to match Jordan’s six rings if he stayed in Golden State.

    35. Farfa

      @40

      Just one: it’d be his third.

      Jokes aside, I think this is it for KD in Oakland. It’s never gonna be his team.

    36. Z-man

      Trier got lucky to be drafted by the Knicks.

      Whoa, Trier wasn’t drafted by the Knicks. He was signed as an undrafted FA. He probably had lots of choices, so while he may be lucky that the Knicks showed interest, if he picked the Knicks precisely because of what you said, that’s skillful analysis, not luck. I think what you meant to say is that he was lucky not to get drafted at all…that makes sense.

    37. Brian Cronin

      Whoa, Trier wasn’t drafted by the Knicks. He was signed as an undrafted FA. He probably had lots of choices, so while he may be lucky that the Knicks showed interest, if he picked the Knicks precisely because of what you said, that’s skillful analysis, not luck. I think what you meant to say is that he was lucky not to get drafted at all…that makes sense.

      Even there, it sounds like he made that a calculated decision, as well, by warning teams he didn’t want to be drafted by in the second round not to draft him.

    38. Bruno Almeida

      Well, Trier certainly does not lack confidence in his game, so I totally believe he looked at the teams interested in him and chose the Knicks precisely to get more playing time. He bet on himself on the draft, and my feeling is that he’s going to bet on himself again with his contract. I doubt the Knicks will be able to get a super value contract like the Robinson one with him. I think he’d be very stupid to not sign with the Knicks and go back to the G-League, because that would really destroy the hype around him, but I can see him pushing for a short term contract.

    39. Frank O.

      What troubled me about the Frank Knox thing was Frank’s attitude, which was a kind of acceptance of where he is. I would rather see him face that critique with a bit more fire. I think it reflects that same personality we see on the court. He IS a bit soft, and passive.
      You can’t fall back on simply youth. Look at Trier.
      If I were the Knicks I would be getting the ball in that kid’s hands more an more, particularly since THJ seems to be reverting.
      sure Trier will get his lumps, but he makes generally good decisions and has the ability to ignite the team in a way few players on the Knicks can

    40. Donnie Walsh

      They can’t afford to lose any cap space and they only have two days to decide, so they have to not match. Durant then signs elsewhere.

      Isn’t this how Houston lost Chandler Parsons? They were waiting for Bosh and Anthony to consider their offer and the Parsons offer sheet expired a day earlier?

    41. Brian Cronin

      Isn’t this how Houston lost Chandler Parsons? They were waiting for Bosh and Anthony to consider their offer and the Parsons offer sheet expired a day earlier?

      I don’t believe so. They didn’t match Parsons after Bosh turned them down. They were planning on keeping Parsons had they signed Bosh. When Bosh said no, they decided to pivot and didn’t want the onerous Parsons contract in that set-up. The timing of the Bosh offer, though, is how the Lakers were able to get the Rockets to give them a first rounder to take Lin. They gave the Rockets a deadline (before Bosh made his decision) on the deal and the Rockets couldn’t afford to not have cap room to sign Bosh, so they had to take the deal. Otherwise, they would have just kept Lin for the last year of his deal had Bosh turned them down.

    42. Hubert

      I apologize for even putting this scenario into the ether, but I just thought of a worst case scenario. Trier signs for just the rest of this season. First day of free agency, Durant says he will meet with five teams over the course of five days, the Knicks being one of them. Team X (let’s say….I dunno…Sacramento) offers Trier a two-year deal for $12 million at midnight of the first day of free agency. Durant tells Knicks he is seriously considering them. They can’t afford to lose any cap space and they only have two days to decide, so they have to not match. Durant then signs elsewhere. Soul crushing how realistic that scenario sounds, right?

      I imagined this scenario as soon as you made the details of his restricted free agency clear to me.

      Unless we sign him to a multi-year deal, I expect him to be poached on day 1 of free agency. Why wouldn’t a team offer him 4 year, $20mm? That’s a solid investment.

    43. Hubert

      as he would have a legit chance to match Jordan’s six rings if he stayed in Golden State.

      I genuinely wonder if any player cares about this. I know Kobe did. LeBron probably did in the beginning before he realized he had no chance and he seemed a lot happier after he gave up on it. I can’t see why it would matter to Kevin Durant. He is probably more interested in his private equity book than chasing a sociopath’s ring total.

    44. Brian Cronin

      I imagined this scenario as soon as you made the details of his restricted free agency clear to me.

      Unless we sign him to a multi-year deal, I expect him to be poached on day 1 of free agency. Why wouldn’t a team offer him 4 year, $20mm? That’s a solid investment.

      At least teams are restricted by the Gilbert Arenas Rule if they try to sign Trier, but nowadays, that’s not much of a restriction since the mid-level is like $9 million so an offer like 4/$20 million would be easily fit under the Gilbert Arenas Rule.

    45. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Whoa, Trier wasn’t drafted by the Knicks. He was signed as an undrafted FA. He probably had lots of choices, so while he may be lucky that the Knicks showed interest, if he picked the Knicks precisely because of what you said, that’s skillful analysis, not luck. I think what you meant to say is that he was lucky not to get drafted at all…that makes sense.

      KB wouldn’t reload after I posted that, just miswrote and couldn’t edit. He was lucky to sign with any team (given that no one wanted him with a non-guaranteed contract in 2nd r.) but going with the Knicks was a savvy move, given the extreme uncertainty at PG. Still, there’s no guarantee that he would have received serious PT anywhere. I’d like to see how many UDFA landed a two-way contract before Summer League and parlayed it into 550 MP over their first twenty-ish games. Wouldn’t be surprised to find that list was a party of one.

    46. Brian Cronin

      I genuinely wonder if any player cares about this. I know Kobe did. LeBron probably did in the beginning before he realized he had no chance and he seemed a lot happier after he gave up on it. I can’t see why it would matter to Kevin Durant. He is probably more interested in his private equity book than chasing a sociopath’s ring total.

      He cared enough about winning titles to go to Golden State in the first place, no? It’s not like he went there thinking, “This is going to be my team.”

    47. Donnie Walsh

      I don’t believe so. They didn’t match Parsons after Bosh turned them down.

      It looks like Parsons was not matched on July 9th and Bosh told the Rockets he was staying in Miami on the 11th, no?

    48. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      He is probably more interested in his private equity book than chasing a sociopath’s ring total.

      I think Durant needs a therapist.

    49. Brian Cronin

      It looks like Parsons was not matched on July 9th and Bosh told the Rockets he was staying in Miami on the 11th, no?

      No, Parsons wasn’t matched officially on the 13th. Here’s an article from that Tuesday (the 15th):

      https://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/07/15/chandler-parsons-offended-by-how-rockets-handled-restricted-free-agency-offer-sheet-from-mavericks/

      Chandler Parsons is reportedly very happy with his new three-year, $46 million contract from the Dallas Mavericks, made official late Sunday night when the Rockets decided not to match the offer sheet.

      Also from that article:

      And that the Rockets appeared to have every intention on matching Parsons’ offer sheet until Bosh bailed and took a five-year max deal from the Miami Heat.

      He didn’t even get the Dallas offer until the 10th.

    50. Grocer

      Are we talking about the same Angband where Fingolfin challenged Morgoth to mortal combat?

      Yes, it’s an early ascii roguelike loosely based on Tolkien myths. Opensource and easily modifiable, there were a LOT of variants.

      The juxtaposition between the Post article and the SNY article about the trade interest in Frank is interesting. Almost as if some teams smelled the blood in the water and are just trying to get us to push him overboard. That’s a horrible analogy, but you see where I am going.

    51. Hubert

      I think they all care about winning titles, Brian. But I think Chasing Jordan might be a myth.

      Even if he gets 6, it’s not like people are going to put him on Jordan’s level. They’ll just say he had more help, he wasn’t always the best player on his team, etc.

      I would think winning 4 in a row would be motivating. I don’t think any team in my lifetime has won four in a row in any sport. But who knows. (EDIT: I forgot hockey was a sport and the Islanders did this when I was a child in Long Island.)

    52. Brian Cronin

      Wow, the Rockets really made out like bandits on that one.

      Yeah, luck plays a huge role in everything. Like how the Clippers only got Chris Paul because the league voided the original deal where he ended up with the Lakers.

    53. Donnie Walsh

      No, Parsons wasn’t matched officially on the 13th. Here’s an article from that Tuesday (the 15th)

      Oh, I see.

      I guess I’m confusing it with Morey declining the option on Parson’s 4th year that made him an RFA in the first place. The whole point of not picking up the $900,000 4th year was to preserve that in cap space and then match once Bosh or whoever was signed first? Is that right? (Man, that was some crazy over-thinking on Morey’s part and he’s lucky that the best case scenario ultimately rose from the ashes that summer)

    54. the don nelson era

      Even if he won a 6th ring, Durant would be remain 1 behind any 2014-15 Warriors holdovers.

    55. Hubert

      The thing with Frank… let’s say we make out like bandits and Durant does want to sign here. Are we seriously going to just surround him with inefficient scorers who don’t pass? Would we actually run Durant out with Mudiay, Hardaway, Knox, and Porzingis and make him fight them to get the ball?? How self-defeating can you get?

      Frank would actually be the perfect point guard for Kevin Durant if he got his 3pt shooting % up. Just hand the ball to Durant, don’t take any of his shots, and play your ass off on D.

      Vonleh would be a great Durant teammate, too. He’d add body crushing screens and physicality on the offense.

      Hardaway would be fine, I guess. He’d be a poor man’s version of Klay who could punish teams if they pay too much attention to Durant.

      But Knox and Mudiay? Come on. You want to surround Durant with guys who can contribute without the ball, and all we do is collect the opposite kind of players.

    56. Brian Cronin

      I guess I’m confusing it with Morey declining the option on Parson’s 4th year that made him an RFA in the first place. The whole point of not picking up the $900,000 4th year was to preserve that in cap space and then match once Bosh or whoever was signed first? Is that right? (Man, that was some crazy over-thinking on Morey’s part and he’s lucky that the best case scenario ultimately rose from the ashes that summer)

      Yeah, that was it exactly. And yes, he took a wild risk there that somehow worked out beautifully for him even though it wasn’t at all what he wanted at the time that it actually happened.

    57. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I found a statistic that between 1964 and 2014, 496 of 3,071 players had won a ring. Now that the league is 30 teams instead of 9, the percentage of players, retired or active, with a ring should get smaller and smaller.

      So even if it were active NBA players ragging on Durant for his rings, we’d be talking about an extreme minority of them. The fact that Durant gives a shit about what Stephen A. Smith, or a random 13 yo on the internet, thinks of his success is mind-blowing to me. I’m not the world’s most self-assured guy (as in, I derive at least part of my self-worth from being better at basic predictive judgments than Z-man), but I’m also not among the world’s best athletes, worth $170M and a mega-celebrity that will never fail to receive preferential treatment at the most exclusive places on earth.

    58. Z-man

      I’d like to see how many UDFA landed a two-way contract before Summer League and parlayed it into 550 MP over their first twenty-ish games. Wouldn’t be surprised to find that list was a party of one.

      Well, the 2-way contract thing just started last year…probably not useful to consider individual circumstances as opposed to who had gone from 2-way to a prominent spot in a NBA rotation in a short time. Quinn Cook comes to mind.

      The truth his, Trier is an outlier because there was no legitimate basketball or character issue that should have resulted in him being undrafted. Sure, there was the PED stuff, but that seemed minor in comparison to, say, Dotson’s issues.

    59. Z-man

      (as in, I derive at least part of my self-worth from being better at basic predictive judgments than Z-man)

      Correction: (as in, I derive at least part of my self-worth from at some point in the distant past, having been ever so slightly better at basic predictive judgments than Z-man)

    60. ess-dog

      Re: Trier, he’s had a “decent” season for a 23-year-old “so far”, but you know who had a better one at age 22? Landry Fucking Fields, that’s who.

      In other words, Trier hasn’t done shite yet and he should jump on a two- year midlevel if he gets it.

      Also, it sounds like more than a few teams actually want Frank, so maybe let’s keep him for now. But he does seem like a square peg in Fiz’s round-hole offense. If he can’t make shots now, he should at least be driving and kicking on opposing 2s or 3s when he gets the ball and trailing faster guys on the break.

      He and Luka both need to lay off the Galoises and get into game shape.

    61. Brian Cronin

      Re: Trier, he’s had a “decent” season for a 23-year-old “so far”, but you know who had a better one at age 22? Landry Fucking Fields, that’s who.

      In other words, Trier hasn’t done shite yet and he should jump on a two- year midlevel if he gets it.

      That’s a weird comparison for the sake of your point, as Fields got a 3-year/$20 million deal (under the older, much smaller cap) after his weaker sophomore season.

      Trier’s options are as follows: the minimum contract, which can be a two-season deal. That’s what the Knicks hope he will take, but he likely won’t.

      The bi-annual, which is $3.4 million a year, which can be a two-year deal (so 2 years/$7 million). That’s a lot of money. He might take that, but that’s still $3.4 million that will cut into the Knicks’ cap room this offseason.

      The mid-level exception, which the Knicks only have $644,000 left of. They can give him that per season for up to four years.

      I guess it could make sense to accept the 2 years/$7 million if the Knicks offer it (EDITED TO NOTE: actually, it would obviously be prorated, so it’d be less than $7 million, but you know what I mean). But if not, then I’d sooner take the minimum for the rest of this year and hope for a good deal in restricted free agency.

    62. Hubert

      One of the reasons opposing players finish so easily over and around Ayton is that he’s blocked just 2.2 percent of opposing 2-point shots. That ranks 36th out of 43 qualifying centers this season and, more broadly, just 87th out of 119 qualifying rookie centers since 1974-75, when the statistic was first recorded. Carter (at 5.3 percent) ranks 21st out of the 119, and fellow rookie Mo Bamba (6.6 percent) ranks eighth. Jackson doesn’t qualify as a center in Basketball-Reference, but he would place in the top five with a 7.9 percent block rate. And pay attention to the Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson, whose 9.6 percent rate would rank second all time, behind only 7-foot-7 Manute Bol’s, if he maintained it for the full season.

      2nd all time. That sounds good.

    63. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      In other words, Trier hasn’t done shite yet and he should jump on a two- year midlevel if he gets it.

      Agreed. He took a bad beat on the PED stuff, but he landed in the perfect spot to play and earn a contract. Take the contract, accept more PT, and earn the next one, too. No one wants to be Nerlens Noel.

    64. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I guess it could make sense to accept the 2 years/$7 million if the Knicks offer it. But if not, then I’d sooner take the minimum for the rest of this year and hope for a good deal in restricted free agency.

      Absolutely it makes sense to take $7M if offered. That’s equivalent to the Miles Bridges contract at pick #12, only without the hard limit of the player options in years 3 and 4! That’s like hitting the lottery for Trier, considering he went into Summer League on a two-way.

    65. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Team options… sorry, I can’t keep my facts straight today. Dealing with a sinus cold that’s ravaging the Portland metro right now.

      Good thing I’m only writing my year-end self-assessment for my employer all day. Low stakes there, too!

    66. nicos

      Yeah, 2 years at 7 is great for him especially since one of those years is this one where at the moment he’s only making around $80,000. If he take one year at the minimum that’s 850,000 this year and who knows next- if he gets two for ten that means he’s making roughly 11m for his first three seasons whereas with the biannual he’d be making 6.6 for the first two and then hit free agency. Lots of teams are going to have cap space so maybe he thinks there’s going to be a bigger payday than 2/10 but my guess is his agent would advise him to take the sure thing, establish himself here where there’s playing time and then hit free agency with a two year track record.

    67. ess-dog

      That’s a weird comparison for the sake of your point, as Fields got a 3-year/$20 million deal (under the older, much smaller cap) after his weaker sophomore season.

      Yes, that was an epic mistake and one we should avoid with Trier.

      And sorry, meant bi-annual which would be a fine number.

    68. nicos

      Mitch Rob’s foul rate has to be historic too. Still love him.

      My guess is that Mitch is going to have a nice stretch coming up. He’s an amazing defender off of the ball but just isn’t strong enough to guard anybody good in the post like Gasol and his footwork isn’t good enough to deal with bigs with advanced dribble drive games like Blake and AD- he’s like a pure pass rushing defensive end who can neutralized by running at him. Thankfully besides Dwight and Embiid again (plus maybe Turner and Ayton) there aren’t a lot of those kind of guys on the schedule between now and New Years. As long as he doesn’t have guard The Greek Freak that is.

    69. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, 2 years at 7 is great for him especially since one of those years is this one where at the moment he’s only making around $80,000. If he take one year at the minimum that’s 850,000 this year and who knows next- if he gets two for ten that means he’s making roughly 11m for his first three seasons whereas with the biannual he’d be making 6.6 for the first two and then hit free agency. Lots of teams are going to have cap space so maybe he thinks there’s going to be a bigger payday than 2/10 but my guess is his agent would advise him to take the sure thing, establish himself here where there’s playing time and then hit free agency with a two year track record.

      What I don’t get is whether the Knicks would want him to take the bi-annual at this point. $3.5 million (or $3.4 or whatever it is exactly) is not a big chunk out of the cap, but it’s something. When they aren’t even at max cap room at the moment, that could matter a lot.

    70. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, if they sign Trier to a 2 year deal they better have a plan to get rid of Courtney Lee, or it doesn’t make any sense, which takes us back to the fact that nobody wants Courtney Lee anyway so thanks Phil!

      I’m already seeing, the Suns are interested in Ntilikina, they’ll offer Bender + a 2nd rounder and Mills and Perry will take it.

    71. nicos

      I think if Frank gets traded it’ll be as the sweetener to move Lee. I’m ambivalent about that. On the one hand he’s 20 and bound to improve- hopefully to point you either want to keep him or can get an asset beyond cap space for him. On the other, he’s still going to make 19m over the next three cost controlled years- I’m absolutely certain the Knicks could find someone a lot more productive at 3/18 this off-season. Add to that clearing max space and yeah I guess I’d do it.

    72. ess-dog

      It’s hard to believe that Korver can be traded for two 2nds and an expiring but we ultimately can’t trade Lee for just an expiring. I suppose he has to prove he’s healthy first, but I’m guessing Lee would want to go to a contender or any playoff team, really.

    73. Farfa

      @82

      And they’ll spin this way: “An 8th pick for a 4th pick and a 2nd rounder! Morey-like stuff”

      God, it’s so likely it’s depressing.

    74. Farfa

      About Lee’s trade value: it hinges on how the whole league sees this rough patch from the Warriors. I’m very firm in my belief that the Warriors cycle ground to a halt a lot of potential deals because, on average, today’s GMs (at least the ones working for contenders) are way smarter than GMs were in the ’90s and ’00s, and recognized that there was no point in trying to strenghten their rosters just to be punched in the nuts sooner or later by an unstoppable juggernaut.

      If, though, the perception has changed and this Warriors iteration looks beatable, there will be many more fringe deals made by wannabe contenders, and that opens up the market for Lee and THJ.

    75. ClashFan

      RE Trier.

      In hindsight, maybe the Knicks shouldn’t have included that 2nd round pick in the deal for Mudiay. They could’ve drafted Trier with that pick (since supposedly they were going to draft him with the earlier pick until Robinson ended up still being there). They could have avoided the current situation. They’d probably already have him locked up cheaply for 2-4 years.

      But, then again, most of us thought dealing that pick was silly, and now how right we were!
      :-)

    76. Farfa

      If Lee was actually healthy, I could see Indiana parting ways with Thaddeus Young (there’s Domantas ready) for a shooting guard. I just think they could do better, like Young, Bodganovic and a first for Beal.

    77. Donnie Walsh

      In hindsight, maybe the Knicks shouldn’t have included that 2nd round pick in the deal for Mudiay. They could’ve drafted Trier with that pick (since supposedly they were going to draft him with the earlier pick until Robinson ended up still being there). They could have avoided the current situation. They’d probably already have him locked up cheaply for 2-4 years.

      Hindsight stretches even further, all the way back to Travis Outlaw.

    78. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      I’d rather trade Ntilikina to the Sixers for Fultz. We we would probably have to throw in a sweetener, buying think it might work for both teams. If Fiz can get Mudiay shooting better, maybe he an do the same for Fultz. And Phillie needs role players.

    79. Sir Robin

      @28, Rama. Frank/Dot/Mudiay/Hez, Perry’s guys. Add Mills’ guy, TH2, and the pattern of proving you were right at work.

    80. Brian Cronin

      It’s hard to believe that Korver can be traded for two 2nds and an expiring but we ultimately can’t trade Lee for just an expiring. I suppose he has to prove he’s healthy first, but I’m guessing Lee would want to go to a contender or any playoff team, really.

      Korver makes almost half as much money as Lee next season and only half of that is guaranteed while all of Lee’s contract is guaranteed. Plus Korver is obviously the better shooter.

    81. Grocer

      I think I’d rather have Jackson for Frank than Fultz, but I’d prefer to keep Frank and see some steadfast commitment to development.

    82. DRed

      Frank’s not even the worst regular on the Knicks. Mario is awful and Knox scores about as efficiency while shooting a lot more, never passing and he contains no defensive like substances. We’re collectively too busy bitching about Frank we’re not appreciating how incredibly bad Knox has been.

    83. Ben R

      The Knicks should under no circumstances offer a one year deal to Trier. If he doesn’t accept two years then he can go spend most of this year playing in the g-league. It would make no sense for him to turn down life-changing money this year, anything can happen, he could blow out his knee and then all that money vanishes. Honestly, he should be putting his foot down now for a contract just to protect himself. Two years three million is the deal and maybe go up to four million. If he says no then he can stay in the g-league, risk injury, and then try to get a contract next year.

      A one year contract doesn’t help us and gives him the best of both worlds, a chunk of money now and a chance to get paid this summer. You have to make him choose between guaranteed money now or a payday in 7 months. That first payday is the most life-changing and I don’t think he turns it down now. Too much of a gamble just to get paid one year earlier, when in tw0 years he probably signs a long-term deal that is a lot more lucrative than what he could sign this summer and makes up any lost income signing a two-year deal now.

    84. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      I think they can agree on anything, as long as it meets CBA normal contract standards. So four years should be ok.

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