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Wednesday, November 14, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.10.09)

  • [NYDN] Chris Bosh tells News he is focused on a comeback and is open to playing for the Knicks
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 6:00:00 PM)

    Chris Bosh will make a final determination on his career by the All-Star break, and he’s open to playing for any team willing to take the gamble – including the Knicks.

    Visiting MSG on Monday for the Knicks’ preseason game against the Wizards, Bosh told the Daily News he remains focused on a comeback…

  • [NYDN] Enes Kanter, a Wanted Man in Turkey, could be withheld from Knicks regular-season game in London
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 2:25:00 PM)

    The international warrant issued for Enes Kanter’s arrest has, thus far, not hindered his ability to play basketball.

    Despite his passport being revoked by the Turkish government, Kanter made arrangements to play in Canada against the Raptors, and was cleared to travel to Mexico City for a game…

  • [SNY Knicks] Chris Bosh open to Knicks if healthy enough to make comeback: report
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 11:21:40 PM)

    The former Heat star was at Madison Square Garden on Monday to watch the Knicks-Wizards preseason game and told reporters he hopes to play again after blood clots have kept him off the court since the 2015-16 season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks can’t stop Wizards in 110-98 loss
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 10:08:04 PM)

    Knicks starters combined for 41 points as they lost their penultimate preseason game to the Washington Wizards 110-98 on Monday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Fizdale: Lance Thomas to begin season as Knicks’ starting PF
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 6:10:52 PM)

    Lance Thomas will begin the season as the Knicks’ starting power forward, head coach David Fizdale said before Monday’s preseason game.

  • [SNY Knicks] True to their word, Knicks reportedly haven’t reached out to Timberwolves about Jimmy Butler trade
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 12:53:00 PM)

    The Knicks said they wouldn’t take shortcuts with their rebuild, despite the Timberwolves’ Jimmy Butler asking for a trade and listing them among his preferred destinations. And it seems they’re being true to their word.

  • [NYPost] Chris Bosh: Fizdale will land Knicks free-agent star they need
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 9:11:56 PM)

    Chris Bosh isn’t sure if he will play again, but he said he will give himself until the All-Star break to make that decision. But Bosh is sure of one thing. His former assistant coach David Fizdale is the real deal and should eventually recruit at least one superstar. Bosh, who has suffered from multiple…

  • [NYPost] Ntilikina complicates his point-guard shot on bad day for Knicks
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 9:01:13 PM)

    The Knicks will likely have more problems than just at point guard this season, but coach David Fizdale was tinkering at that position Monday night. In the Knicks’ sobering 110-98 preseason loss to the Wizards, Frank Ntilikina made his first start this preseason and first start of his career at point guard to mixed results….

  • [NYPost] Ron Baker’s ‘havoc mindset’ has him near Knicks roster spot
    (Monday, October 08, 2018 11:34:03 AM)

    Knicks coach David Fizdale is falling for guard Ron Baker in the same way ex-Knick president Phil Jackson and former coach Jeff Hornacek once did. If there was doubt Baker had his 15-man roster spot sewn up, it may have been erased the moment he hit the deck for a loose ball in Brooklyn Wednesday….

  • 82 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.10.09)

    1. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Frank finally looked a little better on offense last night, but imo he’s still not a true PG. He can pass just fine, but he’s not aggressive enough consistently to create things by penetrating and breaking down the defense. Hopefully, he’ll still become a very valuable 2-way player as his confidence and skills improve, but finding the proper role and combination is going to be tricky given he’s not the typical SG either.

    2. alsep73

      Frank in the Jason Kidd role from the 54-win team might be great in time. We just need a primary ballhandler next to him, whether that’s Burke, Trier, or someone not on the team yet.

    3. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      whether that’s Burke, Trier, or someone not on the team yet.

      It should be Burke this year and then someone else eventually with Burke moving to backup PG. I see Trier as eventually taking the 6th man job away from Hardaway (which is what THJ should be) unless he becomes more well rounded and becomes the starting SG.

    4. Frank

      Frank’s still only 20 years old – we should give him time. I continue to think he should start over Burke.

      Re: the Yankees last night – just awful managing by Boone. 3-0, bases loaded, no outs. Game is not over. You desperately need a strikeout there. You have literally 5 closer-types between Chapman, Green, Betances, Britton, and Robertson, 4 of whom are elite strikeout pitchers who are used to coming into hairy situations, and one who is absolutely elite at getting ground balls (Britton, 74% ground ball rate this year) — a double play would’ve been nice there, no?!

      Instead, you put in Lance Lynn, a crappy starter who is NOT used to coming in with men on base and is rocking a 1.526 WHIP and 4.4 walks per 9 this season. Surprise surprise, what happens. Then you’re down 7-0 and at THAT point you decide to burn Chad Green, who prob won’t be able to pitch tonight. WTF.

    5. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I’m all for giving Frank time. I haven’t changed my view on him having the potential to become a very good two-way player. However, he still doesn’t look like a PG to me. I think the fact that he’s growing and getting stronger is not going to help him develop the quickness and handle that he’s lacking now. He’s probably going to become something other than the traditional PG.

    6. d-mar

      So many possessions with Frank as the PG involve him dribbling over midcourt, picking up his dribble around the 3 point line and passing to a teammate to his right or left. That puts absolutely no pressure on the defense or the guy defending Frank. Fiz needs to set up more plays with high screens at the start of the possession, but at a minimum Frank needs to put more pressure on his defender by keeping his dribble and going “downhill” instead of just a sideways pass. And maybe drawing a few fouls, which he rarely does.

    7. Ben R

      As much as I want Frank to play a lot of PG this year I think out of the gate he might not be ready. I want him to start though so how about at SF but let him initiate the offense a decent amount. Then move Knox to PF which I think is an easier more forgiving position for him.

      Burke
      THJ
      Frank
      Knox
      Kanter

      Bench:
      Baker
      Trier
      Dotson
      Thomas/Hezonja
      Robinson

    8. swiftandabundant

      Now seems as good of a time as any to make my annual plea to BRING BACK THE POST SHOW GRADES!!!

      For years this blog posted grades for the players and coaches after every game and they were amazing. Insightful and hilarious. Then after the 54 win season they went away forever. And I’ve been sad ever since. The subtitle on this blog says “humor” and the grades brought a lot of the humor to this blog but were also really insightful.

      And I think if there is a season to bring back the grades its this one. I mean we are chock full of “students” on this team. Knox, Mitchel, Frank, and I guess Trier are all potential young pieces who will be growing and learning and will maybe be a part of the future core of this team. Plus we have a new coach and we will have KP returning at some point. All I’m saying is that we have a team that deserves to be graded after the game. PLEASE BRING BACK THE GRADES!!!!!!!!!!!

    9. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Cavan and Silverman are gone, and although Mike and Brian are very capable writers (B.C. himself is a many-times published author), I don’t think we’re ever going to get the halcyon days of KB humor again. It was a special time.

    10. swiftandabundant

      @ 9 – I miss it so much. I’m a comedy writer myself and would take on the task but I don’t really have the time to do it. I rarely watch the games when they’re actually on and usually watch the replay later that night or the next day.

    11. chrisk06811

      remember when Melo scored 60 or whatever it was, and Cavan wrote an article about the ecstasy of it, except for in his column, everyone was on ecstasy?

    12. Bruno Almeida

      @6

      This is a really annoying trait. When Hornacek was the coach, he did that every possession, but Jack also did the same when he played, so my guess is that it was the way Hornacek wanted them to run the offense. But it’s still happening the same way in many possessions and it’s just so unproductive specially when the Knicks don’t really have wings who can create off the dribble very well.

    13. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      @6

      Agree 100%. It’s the same thing over and over.

    14. Nick C.

      I didn’t watch much, but it seems like he puts his hand in the air as if to signal a play and then makes the lateral pass.

    15. Bruno Almeida

      @14

      Yeah, that’s why I always thought it was Hornacek’s system. It seemed like he was following the designed plays. The question is whether he had / has freedom to call the plays himself and I actively choosing those, or just following the coach gameplan.

    16. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I think Frank Ntilikina will settle into a role as an off guard who can play either the 1 or 2 depending on who is next to him. With Burke in the game, he’s a 2 and with Trier in the game he’s a 1. We just need to see Ntilikina really develop that 3 point shot this season and figure out how to get fouled on lay up attempts.

    17. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      figure out how to get fouled on lay up attempts.

      Wilson Chandler never figured that out. Instead of trying to draw contact, he always tried to avoid it to get the shot off cleaner. The result was a tougher shot and no foul call.

    18. Z-man

      I, for one, was less a fan of RS’s schtick than most, not on a jon abbey level (the stupidest warranted banning ever, he just wouldn’t let up!) but, hey, I never quite got Seinfeld either…but really liked Curb your Enthusiasm, go figure! I guess it’s a textural thing, like my brother-in-law who only likes certain shapes of pasta, or my kid who hates tomatoes but loves tomato sauce, ketchup and pico de gallo.

    19. Z-man

      And while I almost never post at P&T, Seth Rosenthal’s stuff was the best. Joe Flynn is pretty good too, but Seth was in a class by himself.

    20. Owen

      RS was the best. I actually met him IRL in a somewhat cosmic coincidence, we were both watching the Knicks at a bar. I can understand finding his writing a little over the top, (I loved it), but I don’t think anyone could deny that he and Jim made this place really fun for a while.

      If the Knicks get good again, writers will come…

    21. Hubert

      RS was the best. I actually met him IRL in a somewhat cosmic coincidence, we were both watching the Knicks at a bar.

      Same thing happened to me, actually. We were both chain smoking between quarters of a Knicks game… I couldn’t even tell you when… for some reason I feel like it was 2008 but it could have been later. Anyway, he told me about this blog. He was selling me on it for ten minutes and I was “you had me at Knickerblogger.” Great name.

    22. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      If Lee is not traded who is he playing ahead of or behind in the rotation?

      This has the makings of another Noah situation where we talk about merit but then have the veteran that would easily get minutes on a better team buried on the bench.

    23. thenoblefacehumper

      If Lee is not traded who is he playing ahead of or behind in the rotation?

      This has the makings of another Noah situation where we talk about merit but then have the veteran that would easily get minutes on a better team buried on the bench.

      Joakim Noah’s TS% for the last four seasons in order: .510 (40 total minutes), .491, .406, .482

      But yeah he’d be raking in those minutes if it weren’t for the media’s bias against Phil Jackson, or something.

      Lee isn’t Noah-level cooked, but he’s been mediocre since, well, he began his career in the NBA. It’s no guarantee he can outproduce THJ/Dotson/Trier/whoever.

      I also don’t think reading vague statements about merit literally makes sense because that would be a dumb way to distribute minutes on a team like the current version of the Knicks. So if they’re bullshitting about it, I’m happy.

    24. Hubert

      “For me, the switch has flipped and it’s now time to start figuring out how to win,”

      ^ Robert Sarver

      Tuesday, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Sarver “is leaning” toward hiring former player James Jones to take McDonough’s job. Jones was playing in the league as recently as two seasons ago

      Someone is about to fleece the Suns. I sure hope it’s us.

    25. TheOakmanCometh

      The Suns are one ponytailed, occasionally-nude aging center away from true contention. Somebody get James Jones on the phone for this one-time can’t-miss offer!

    26. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Noah was playing through injuries that required surgery in his last 2 seasons in Chicago, missed camp coming into NY his first season and then got hurt/PEDs, and was sent to Siberia last season. In the very brief period he was healthy AND FIT in NY he was our best C (albeit diminished from his peak).

      I have no idea what he has left and how long it will last, but I’d be willing to bet that if can remain reasonably healthy he’ll still be able to rebound, make plays, and direct the defense from the C position better than a LOT backup Cs out there now for as long as it lasts. There’s a reason he wants to play even though he could theoretically hang out of the beach all day, smoke weed, and get paid. He wants to play and knows he’s still better than some of the dregs out there now. He’s not a desperate guy looking for a new contract.

    27. Hubert

      The Suns are one ponytailed, occasionally-nude aging center away from true contention. Somebody get James Jones on the phone for this one-time can’t-miss offer!

      Nah, but Tim Hardaway for Tyson Chandler straight up works under the cap and is within the intersection of dumb and not impossible.

    28. DRed

      Wait when was Noah good as a Knick? His defense was no longer elite and he was horrendous on offense

    29. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      If we don’t distribute minutes based on merit, why would anyone in their right mind want to play in NY?

      You have to play to keep your own market value where it belongs around the league.

      What I have argued is that late in the season when you’ve already made your case to the league and “everyone” that’s not in playoff contention is also in tank mode, that’s when you can go away from merit and go into pure developmental mode. At that point everyone knows what’s going on and it won’t impact your ability to get a new contract. But if you do before then and go too far, that’s when you create friction in the locker room, turn what should be a difficult situation into an impossible one. piss off players and agents, and ensure that everyone thinks your team is really still a mental asylum.

    30. thenoblefacehumper

      Noah was playing through injuries that required surgery in his last 2 seasons in Chicago, missed camp coming into NY his first season and then got hurt/PEDs, and was sent to Siberia last season. In the very brief period he was healthy AND FIT in NY he was our best C (albeit diminished from his peak).

      This is supposed to be the recent history of a player who apparently deserves minutes on the basis of merit. Fascinating logic.

      In all seriousness, sure it’s possible that Noah can put up some decent minutes on a better team than the Knicks. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s detrimental to a developing team to give minutes to a guy that has no future whatsoever here. Phil Jackson made a laughably idiotic mistake but that doesn’t mean we’re bound to let it dictate our decisions moving forward.

      Is it really your opinion that we should play a 32 year old decaying corpse over, say, Mitchell Robinson because he might be slightly more productive than Robinson in Robinson’s rookie year? That would be a psychopathic way to manage a team.

    31. Owen

      Also in the Noah could surprise some people if fully healthy camp. Not that it matters.

      The whole Noah thing irks me. I was against signing him but I do like Noah as a player a lot. He grew up in New York during the Riley Knicks era I loved and I think he plays with a little bit of that same edge and intensity and defensive savvy. He’s a little bit crazy in a good way too.

      Total disaster for the Knicks of course but i would root for him to have a reasonable end to his career, peds and all.

    32. thenoblefacehumper

      If we don’t distribute minutes based on merit, why would anyone in their right mind want to play in NY?

      You have to play to keep your own market value where it belongs around the league.

      See, here’s the thing. Smart teams don’t really run into this problem because they don’t employ morons like Phil Jackson who have no conception of the win curve.

      Having said that, I have literally never heard any player or agent say they wanted to stay away from a team because that team wasn’t giving enough minutes to its mediocre veterans at the expense of its younger players. If anything, prospective players are increasingly looking for healthy development systems within teams.

      Also, as DRed points out, in what world does Joakim Noah deserve minutes based on merit? He’s been injured, suspended, malcontented, and bad.

    33. Brian Cronin

      I wish that everyone here has someone in their life who loves them as unconditionally as Strat loves Courtney Lee’s shitty contract.

    34. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Is it really your opinion that we should play a 32 year old decaying corpse over, say, Mitchell Robinson because he might be slightly more productive than Robinson in Robinson’s rookie year? That would be a psychopathic way to manage a team.

      My opinion almost never changes unless I get new information.

      1. I think rebuilding a team should be about getting better, but it should be done with some logic in terms of cap space, age of players, development, and the careers of the players/agents you are dealing with. I do not like tanking except in some rare circumstances and even then for only 1 year.

      2. I was not in favor of signing Noah at all and especially for 4 years. That was a major error.

      3. I think the organization was asking for trouble when it added Kanter to a center corp that already included Hernangomez, Noah, and O’Quinn (not that I know what other options they had, but the ugly outcome for 2 of them was practically pre ordained).

      4. I think you play players based on merit PERIOD and develop young players in the gym and in garbage time. When/if they earn significant minutes you play them. At the end of the season once you are eliminated the unwritten rules change. The veterans understand the story and no one’s career is impacted.

      5. If you find yourself in the position where you are taking a completely different approach and need to jettison some veterans to get playing time for younger inferior players you want to develop, it should be done in a way that balances the interests of those players and the team. If there isn’t at least some balance to it and you treat people like they are an entry on a spreadsheet, that’s how others will treat you back. I’m not so sure that’s a very good idea long term. People notice how you treat others.

    35. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I wish that everyone here has someone in their life who loves them as unconditionally as Strat loves Courtney Lee’s shitty contract.

      rotflmao

      I don’t love Courtney Lee or his contract. I was asking a serious question.

      How are they going to handle this situation when he’s still more productive than some of the young players and they don’t seem to be able to move the contract the way they expected earlier when the cap was expected to grow faster and now the market is different?

      There’s every reason to move him given we are now in perpetual tanking mode instead of tank for a year and start rebuilding via draft, trade, FA mode the way Phil planned (but admittedly erred with regard to Noah) .

    36. thenoblefacehumper

      Courtney Lee’s BPM last year was zero (which was an improvement on the previous year) and he’s injured without a timetable. I don’t think we need to worry about how we’re going to find minutes for the guy.

    37. thenoblefacehumper

      but admittedly erred with regard to Noah

      And Afflalo, Williams, Seraphin, Rose, Thomas, and Lee off the top of my head

    38. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      And Afflalo, Williams, Seraphin, Rose, Thomas, and Lee off the top of my head

      I disagree with most of that.

      I think when your team sucks, you have no draft picks, some cap space, and are trying to build a team with picks, trades, and FAs, it’s OK to sign a couple of mediocre players as placeholders for that cap space and keep rolling it over until you get to the point where you can draft a couple of good players, make a good move or two, and start attracting better free agents.

      The alternative is renting the cap space for picks. I’m OK with that too. However, there is no inherently greater value in picks than other assets. It all depends on what’s available. The Nets have done a lot of cap space renting but they still suck, still have some bad contracts, and have no guarantee they are going to draft anyone that can play with the picks they got.

      The common opinion here is that picks are greatest asset in the world not named Berkshire Hathaway.

      I like picks too. But I think the idea is to compare the value of picks to the market for available players and try to take the more attractive route at that point in time. It doesn’t matter which way you go as long as you do it competently.

    39. Bruno Almeida

      I have completely given up arguing with strato about this merit thing, as I think it’s completely pointless.

      But I’ll just leave this here: the Lakers buried Luol Deng, a very respected veteran, outside of the bench even while he was allegedly 100% healthy. They signed LeBron James as a free agent the next summer.

    40. Hubert

      How are they going to handle this situation when he’s still more productive than some of the young players and they don’t seem to be able to move the contract the way they expected earlier when the cap was expected to grow faster and now the market is different?

      I agree with Strat, this is a delicate situation. However mediocre he may be, Lee is a professional and he’s arguably the second best player on the team behind Enes Kanter. Even though he’s not in the team’s long term plans, it would be hard to justify benching him.

      If Frank, Timmy, and Lee are all two guards this year, it’s going to be tricky to go with Frank over Lee if one is clearly outperforming the other. It won’t detract free agents from coming here, but it’s something that would need to be managed.

      It would also be stupid to bench him because dumping his contract is one of the most important things we need to accomplish this summer.

    41. Hubert

      Incidentally, Darrell Arthur (1 yr, $7.5mm) straight up for Courtney Lee (2 yrs, 24.4mm) works under the cap.

      Come on, Phoenix. You know you want to.

    42. thenoblefacehumper

      I think when your team sucks, you have no draft picks, some cap space, and are trying to build a team with picks, trades, and FAs, it’s OK to sign a couple of mediocre players as placeholders for that cap space and keep rolling it over until you get to the point where you can draft a couple of good players, make a good move or two, and start attracting better free agents.

      The alternative is renting the cap space for picks. I’m OK with that too. However, there is no inherently greater value in picks than other assets.

      Really? Picks, literally any picks, aren’t more valuable than one bad season from Derrick Williams/Arron Afflalo/Kevin Seraphin/Derrick Rose? C’mon dude. I’m sorry if my tone with you crosses the line sometimes but it truly feels like you actively refuse to take into account any ideas that might present Phil Jackson’s tenure as Knicks’ POBO in a bad light.

      There is no world in which the singular seasons we got from those players are more valuable than a pick. Any pick. 60th pick. Whatever. Cap space is an asset that can be used to put your team in a better position for the future. If you max out your cap space while failing to do that AND failing to be a good team in the present, you’ve wasted the asset of cap space.

      As to your post in #35, what you’re essentially saying is that it is never justified to give a young player minutes over a veteran who might presently be a little more productive until late in the season. This is logic that would lead to some patently absurd situations if applied historically (e.g. Kirk Hinrich getting more minutes than #1 overall pick and rookie Derrick Rose on the 2008-2009 Bulls). I also can’t get past your conviction that Joakim Noah would absolutely be more productive than Kanter or Robinson or whoever. Maybe he would be, maybe he wouldn’t be but we don’t know because he’s been injured or trying to fight coaches his entire time here.

    43. The Infamous Cdiggy

      @35 I have to respectfully disagree with points 3 and 4. As for point #3: Kanter was/is good value for a clear-in-decline Melo; maybe not the value we desire most, but definitely value. It led to a glut at C, sure. But I’d rather the team figure out that issue than figure out how to continue to get younger/better with an aging Melo on the roster.
      For point #4: basketball has the smallest roster (and lineup) of the major sports. It is a sport where one/the right talented player can potentially have a huge effect on the fortunes of a franchise. Merit should have its place, but not at the expense of playing the best talent.

    44. Grocer

      But I think the idea is to compare the value of picks to the market for available players and try to take the more attractive route at that point in time. It doesn’t matter which way you go as long as you do it competently.

      It doesn’t matter if picks are over valued around the league if your team sucks and is desperate for talent on cost controlled contracts. Your market analysis tends to gloss over structural factors such as the win curve, the small number of teams, the huge influence of the CBA, the limited player pool, ect. When teams are as bad as the Knicks have been it doesn’t matter what the market is for picks. They can’t afford to trade them. It doesn’t matter that you have a moral objection to tanking, or want to always play the best players. Continuing to pursue suboptimal strategies because ‘it can work, if x y z’ isn’t a rational or enlightened choice. The Knicks are too poor to gamble. They have to make safe choices.

    45. DRed

      Ron Baker is on pace to smash all time scoring efficiency records and y’all are talking about draft picks?

    46. Jack Bauer

      “I wish that everyone here has someone in their life who loves them as unconditionally as Strat loves Courtney Lee’s shitty contract.”

      My advice – get a dog

    47. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      [trades draft picks for mid-career veteran, preferably over 30]

      “Those draft picks could turn out to be something, but we now have a proven veteran on the roster!”

      [veteran sucks]

      “Those picks wouldn’t have turned into anything, anyway.”

      [Knicks sign overpriced, overrated veterans far above their market value otherwise]

      “That cap space is an asset that we needed to use, or we’d lose it for nothing. And those contracts become assets we can use in future deals.”

      [Knicks desperate to shed cap space, consider stretching $36M of Noah’s contract, can’t find anyone to take Courtney Lee’s remaining $25M]

      “Those contracts are valuable placeholders, even if no one wants them. Imagine how hard it would be to get a marquee free agent without them!”

      [Knicks don’t sign marquee free agent because they have no cap space]

      “It was the best we could do at the time.”

    48. The Infamous Cdiggy

      This convo reminds me of a recent article about whether an NFL team who has a quality QB on a rookie contract should trade that QB when they’re on their final year of that contract for the chance to draft another 1st round QB. The argument is that QBs on rookie deals allow the team to spend heavily elsewhere to boost the overall team talent level. Not too different from the argument that the Knicks should pursue draft picks to acquire young upper-tier talent on cost controlled deals.

      Wouldn’t it be a game-changer if the NFL decided to have a soft-cap for QB contracts? Meaning that they can go over the cap to sign (or re-up) a franchise QB without having to dump high salaries of other positions.

    49. Grocer

      Prioritizing acquiring cost-controlled talent in order to develop them because your team has jack shit seems slightly different from rotating rookies to save cap space on an already developed team.

    50. Ntilakilla

      You know, I was thinking about this site and the opportunity it represents to air out many long-standing grievances and hopes that we, as Knicks fans, hold regarding our team and its direction. But then it dawned on me that all of this is meaningless in the face of the fact that preeminent global climate change experts believe that we only have 12 years to basically maintain our planet’s moderate temperature levels and two of those years, at minimum, will be with Donald Trump at the helm of the world’s largest per capita greenhouse gas emitting nation. How would anyone us be able to even rationalize our own existence on this planet if the best we can say to future generations is that we spent our hours discussing the merits of Courtney Lee’s contract in the face of imminent catastrophe that will most probably result in the extinction of our species?

    51. Ntilakilla

      Ntilakilla, you’re on the wrong site.

      That’s exactly the point. We’re all on the wrong site.

    52. BigBlueAL

      Looks like the Yankees are done tonight but at least I have the Knicks season starting next week!!! FML

    53. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      I finally watched the recent Washington pre-season game where Ntilikina started. I thought he did better than I expected as a starting point guard. He did take shots and mostly did not pass them up in situations where he should have taken them. There were some possessions as described above where he came down the floor, Washington gave him space and he didn’t do anything with the space, so the overall possession went nowhere. But there were fewer such occasions than in his games last year. When he got in foul trouble and Burke came in, there were clearly troubles defending Washington’s guards. We did lose to Washington and his plus minus probably wasn’t great, but I attribute that to not having either Kanter or Robinson to create enough of a threat inside.

      Overall, in the three games I’ve watched of preseason, I think he is better than last year. I’ve always thought and posted here before, that he won’t really be effective as a point guard until an0ther year. That is,, I don’t expect him to suddenly attract notice around the league as a good guard until the 2019-2020 season. He seems on track for that. And the Washington game suggests to me that he may start for the Knicks against certain teams where the defensive matchups call for it. So I wouldn’t anoint Burke our starting point guard this year just yet.

    54. Grocer

      I agree, the NBA should organize schedules to minimize plane flights. Wait, don’t they already do that?

      You should start a campaign to get MSG to compost and recycle more. I’d sign a petition, write a letter.

    55. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      You know that about 80% of this site’s posters thinks that climate change is both real and incredibly important, and the other 20% are people who’d tell you that the Earth is flat if they heard it on Fox News. You know exactly what you’re doing, and you’re doing it because you’ve worn out your welcome with most of the board’s regulars. Just stop.

    56. Ntilakilla

      You know that about 80% of this site’s posters thinks that climate change is both real and incredibly important, and the other 20% are people who’d tell you that the Earth is flat if they heard it on Fox News. You know exactly what you’re doing, and you’re doing it because you’ve worn out your welcome with most of the board’s regulars. Just stop.

      Untrue. I came to talk. I’ve been thinking lately. About you and me and everybody. About what’s going to happen to all of us, in the end. We’re going to kill ourselves, aren’t we? Perhaps we’ll kill the Earth. Perhaps it will kill us. Perhaps sooner. Perhaps later. I just wanted you to know that I’d made a genuine attempt to talk things over and avert that outcome. Just once. Are you listening to me? It’s life and death I’m discussing here. Maybe our death… maybe our children. I don’t fully understand why ours should be such a suicidal species, but I don’t want our extinction on my… hands…

    57. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, if we’re going to discuss only the pressing matters of our daily lives there would be no point for sites like this ever.

      Occupying oneself with the urgent things in the world is necessary, but having ways to escape the harsh realities is also necessary. I’m discussing stratomatic’s theories on merit-based team building while my country almost elected straight away the most fascist, homophobic presidential representative ever, a worse Trump, and will probably elect him anyway in a couple of weeks. So yeah, let us discuss Courtney Lee’s ceiling as a player too please.

    58. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      We often discuss non-basketball topics here. I see nothing wrong with Ntilikilla commenting on global warming. I am a board regular and I welcome his post.

      What shocks me about this recent report is that so many people say they are shocked by it. What did they expect? The world has made only half-hearted efforts to address global warming and somehow people expect it will be better than predicted? They seem to think: well, either it will match the scientists predictions, or it might not be as bad as they say. Scientific projections don’t work like that. If you estimate a number, like degrees of global warming, there is just as much chance that you are off on the low side as that you are off on the high side. And so far, every year, the actual warming has proven worse than predicted. And that’s not because the scientists were wrong. It’s because of things like China’s standard of living improving faster than expected. As far as I am concerned, those people who want to bring back coal want to destroy the world. And they may get their wish.

    59. thenoblefacehumper

      Now we’re gonna hear Stratomatic and bobneptune’s opinions on the climate and I’m gonna go to bed even more fucking furious than I am about the Yankees. Thanks!

    60. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      I sympathize. People should be furious about the climate changing, but I hope very much the Yankees make a comeback and give you reason to sleep well.

    61. Ntilakilla

      Occupying oneself with the urgent things in the world is necessary, but having ways to escape the harsh realities is also necessary.

      We have 12 years. History is littered with examples where current generations have looked in the past and wondered why more wasn’t done. Why people passively accepted their imminent catastrophe without a fight. And I can’t shake feeling that all of this – from the Knicks to the Kardashians – exist to make us escape the harsh reality we know is coming but can’t be bothered to change.

      I really don’t want to troll. But after reading the UN climate report that was just released I came to grips with the reality of my situation and the situation of everything I love in this world – and I can’t understand why people aren’t freaking out on the streets about it.

    62. Ntilakilla

      What shocks me about this recent report is that so many people say they are shocked by it. What did they expect? The world has made only half-hearted efforts to address global warming and somehow people expect it will be better than predicted? They seem to think: well, either it will match the scientists predictions, or it might not be as bad as they say. Scientific projections don’t work like that. If you estimate a number, like degrees of global warming, there is just as much chance that you are off on the low side as that you are off on the high side. And so far, every year, the actual warming has proven worse than predicted. And that’s not because the scientists were wrong. It’s because of things like China’s standard of living improving faster than expected. As far as I am concerned, those people who want to bring back coal want to destroy the world. And they may get their wish.

      It’s funny how the issue of inconvenient statistical models vs. optimism we see here regarding Knicks players replicates itself with the issue of human made climate change. The UN climate change panel is team negativism and everyone else who hopes it won’t be that bad is team optimism.

    63. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      Hoping for the best seems almost universal. But, like some posters on this board in reference to the Knicks, I would call the UN report team reality, not team negativism.

    64. Bruno Almeida

      We’re all freaking out, dude. I also might be in a torture chamber next year in a so-called democratic country.

      It’s just that freaking out about this stuff and trying to force down people’s throat how they should act towards it often generates the exact opposite reaction that you want. You do your part and work towards what you think it’s the best possibility and you go with it.

      I’ve been an activist for the past 8 or so years of my life. If you let the freak out part consume every other aspect of your life you already lost the fight.

    65. geo

      why would anyone think the growth of the human species is sustainable…

      7.5 billion and counting…c’mon…

      our planet won’t “die” for a very lvwry ong time though…

      I tend to stay away from the news, thanks for the heads up on this report…I’ll make sure to check it out…

      what’s happening at our poles and around the world is fascinating…

      why would god create a creature such as us, I’m not sure…hard to imagine it was for the betterment of our ecosystem…

    66. geo

      good season by the yanks…

      boston has a crazy lineup, a few good starters and a decent closer…

      i’ll be rooting for the astros…

    67. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Wow. Brutal end to the Yankees’ season. Gary Sanchez should be forced into retirement.

    68. geo

      looks like they’ll move on from bird, same may happen with sanchez…

      even if he can rake, his defense is more than suspect…

      not sure how far away the kid is they just drafted in the 1st round…

    69. thenoblefacehumper

      I thought Sanchez actually redeemed himself to an extent in the playoffs. A few big hits and his ABs seemed stronger.

      Stanton, on the other hand, has a loooong, cold winter ahead of him…

    70. Grocer

      Stanton, on the other hand, has a loooong, cold winter ahead of him…

      He should enjoy it while he still can.

    71. Donnie Walsh

      The person that writes the climate report for Trump should be the same dude that wrote the “stop trading your draft picks” memo to Dolan. That guy is a savant at conveying basic information to the Powerfully Inept.

    72. Hubert

      And I can’t shake feeling that all of this – from the Knicks to the Kardashians – exist to make us escape the harsh reality we know is coming but can’t be bothered to change.

      It’s like when your nephew comes back for thanksgiving after his first semester at college and he can’t understand how anyone can eat bc he just learned about the prison industrial complex.

    73. Hubert

      He almost hit a game-winning grand slam but it died on the warning track.

      Stanton’s AB was the horrendous one: a four pitch strike out on three balls way out of the zone.

    74. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      Hubert, people do feel they can ignore global warming. even when their nephews are worried, But unlike the prison industrial complex, it’s not something that will stay out of sight and be irrelevant to most people. The world is going to be much more dangerous, more expensive and more difficult for everyone. As a people, we are acting like the frog in a pot of cold water put on the stove. By the time the frog notices the water is too hot, he is no longer capable of jumping out and saving himself.

    75. Hubert

      @ 80 – You missed the point. By a lot.

      I’ll spell it out for you: we’re all going to die, and everything around us exists to take our minds off that inevitability.

      This:

      And I can’t shake feeling that all of this – from the Knicks to the Kardashians – exist to make us escape the harsh reality we know is coming but can’t be bothered to change.

      is the words of a child figuring out something grown ups have known for a long time.

      Now please let us enjoy some Knicks talk so I can stop thinking about the mortality of me and my species.

    76. Hubert

      is the words of a child figuring

      My apologies, I wanted to edit this to “young person” but the edit time ran out. I didn’t mean to connote the insult that comes with calling someone a child.

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