Knicks Morning News (2017.03.26)

  • [NYPost] One Knicks bright spot making case for next year
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:40:19 PM)

    SAN ANTONIO — Even before Joakim Noah’s drug suspension for taking a banned, over-the-counter, performance-enhancing supplement, Willy Hernangomez had muscled his way into the starting center picture for next season. Now it appears a near certainty. Saturday against the Spurs, Hernangomez had a career-high 24 points on 11-of-16 shooting to go along with 13 rebounds…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ trip west couldn’t have gone better — four straight losses
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:13:46 PM)

    SAN ANTONIO — The Knicks’ western swing ended with another loss, an 0-4 record, but with a lot of pingpong balls gained. The mighty Spurs built a 19-point halftime lead and staved off a second-half surge by the Knicks to capture a 106-98 decision at the AT&T Center on Saturday. With Philadelphia moving ahead of…

  • [NYPost] Take your pick, Knicks: Which Kentucky star do you want?
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:42:28 PM)

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. — They should be the apple of all Knicks fans eyes, the two Kentucky freshmen guards who try to lead John Calipari back to a Final Four on Sunday night over North Carolina. If you are a Knicks fan, you fantasize over De’Aaron Fox, the baby-faced assassin who turned his Sweet 16 point-guard…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah will be paying for testosterone ban even longer
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:40:33 AM)

    SAN ANTONIO – The $72 million man has made a $3 million mistake. The NBA announced Saturday morning Knicks center Joakim Noah is suspended 20 games for testing positive for a testosterone booster, Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator LGD-4033, in violation of the Anti-Drug Program. The Androgen supplement is touted to help with testosterone. It tends…

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks fall to Spurs for eighth loss in nine games
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:56:55 PM)

    With Carmelo Anthony missing a second straight game with what the Knicks are calling a sore left knee, they fell to the Spurs, 106-98, and dropped further in the standings.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Joakim Noah suspended 20 games for failing drug test
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:17:05 PM)

    SAN ANTONIO — The losses keep on coming for the Knicks.

  • [NY Newsday] Kansas’ Josh Jackson could be on Knicks’ radar in 2017 NBA draft
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:59:00 PM)

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. – It is the game within the game this time of year for basketball fans who follow the pros avidly and the college level only casually:

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks lose to Spurs, drop fifth straight game
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:00:53 PM)

    Kawhi Leonard scored 29 points, LaMarcus Aldridge added 19 points and 10 rebounds, and the San Antonio Spurs beat the New York Knicks 106-98 on Saturday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, Thomas out vs. Spurs; Rose set to return
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:13:15 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony and Lance Thomas will miss Saturday night’s game against the San Antonio Spurs, the Knicks announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Spurs looking for payback against Knicks
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:46:50 PM)

    The San Antonio Spurs will host the second in a series of games against teams they’ve lost to this season when the New York Knicks hit the Alamo City for a contest on Saturday at the AT&T Center.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks C Joakim Noah to be suspended 20 games
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 1:33:15 PM)

    Knicks center Joakim Noah was suspended for 20 games for violating the NBA’s anti-drug program, the NBA announced on Saturday morning.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah has only himself to blame for failed drug test
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:40:28 PM)

    Already Joakim Noah’s four-year contract was a cloud over the organization

  • [NYDN] Tanking continues for Knicks in 106-98 loss to Spurs
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:39:10 PM)

    There’s a lesson to be learned: don’t expect the full product if you buy a ticket for an NBA game after the trade deadline

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson, face of Knicks’ train wreck, still an LA love story
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:15:36 PM)

    Of course Phil Jackson was in Los Angeles on Friday night when the Lakers honored one of his old champs, Shaquille O’Neal.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah suspended 20 games for violating NBA anti-drug rules
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:00:54 AM)

    The Knicks will be without Joakim Noah for the rest of the season.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks’ Joakim Noah Suspended for Failing a Doping Test
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:20:38 PM)

    Noah, who has been sidelined with a knee injury, was suspended for 20 games, starting with the first game he is physically able to play.

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    1. I bet the Cavs are glad they didn’t make that Love for Melo swap. Their defense has been..mostly sub-par the 2nd half of the season. The loss of Bogut definitely hurts them. Is it possible that the Wiz, C’s, or Raptors gets past them in the playoffs now? Or are the Cavs just conserving energy for their playoff run?

      As for the Knicks..as I guessed it would- the offense looks a little better with Rose and no Melo. Not good enough to re-sign him though

    2. The Cavs are lucky Kyle Lowry got hurt because they were going to lose to Toronto in the Eastern Conference Finals. Golden State is going to flatline them and then they will be dying to trade for Melo.

    3. Kudos to KP for sacrificing his numbers for the greater good of the team.

      He really embraced the tank yesterday.

    4. I said it before, we are engaging in a waiting game with Cleveland and LA to see which one caves in and trades us something acceptable for Melo. We might not think much of him, but his friends on those teams do and they are running out of options to improve their teams.

    5. You know, I’m starting to come around on Josh Jackson. If we can hold that #4 spot or even jump into the top 3, Jackson makes a lot of sense for what we want to do going forward. Let me preface my statement by saying I do not believe he is better than Jonathan Isaac (who I think is the next superstar in the mold of KD and Giannis), but I could see his style of play allowing for him to play either wing slot, and he projects to be a plus rebounder in the NBA. His shot is really funky but he has some good moves to get himself open and protect the ball from defenders. He reminds me a lot of Andrew Wiggins athletically but he seems like a smarter player than Wiggins. He’s a little too explosive, though. He needs to dedicate his life to preserving his body if he doesn’t want to tear an ACL, and I’m not sure if that’s who he is.

    6. I’m never betting against Lebron, but I think there’s a real possibility that Washington beats them in the ECF

      Washington is really good

    7. As you can tell I was encouraged by NDour’s play last night. He gave the Spurs bigs some fits and looked in step with the team. He also seems like a nice complement to KP and Willy.

    8. Ndour has to rebound better if he’s going to play the 4. I would like to see him get a consistent 15-20 minutes a night from here on out to see he can get those numbers up.

    9. I think Toronto has a good shot as well.
      deron williams seems to be washed up. Not sure how long you can count on RJeff. korver is old and same with frye. and lol larry sanders.

      cavs do need to get the 1 seed. and then hope boston beats washington, imo

      but lebron will have the final say

    10. On Rose: can anybody tell me why his assist rate is so low this year? He’s getting to the rim a ton, his TS% isn’t much different than it was at his peak- since the new year his TS% has been .545 but his assist rate has stayed flat at 22%. His assist rate was 40 when he won the MVP; his career rate is over 30- not a spectacular playmaker but certainly solid. It’s not like he’s taking more shots- his usage is lower than his career average. I don’t want him back and wouldn’t even if his assist numbers were at his career average because his defense is so bad but I’m still puzzled that he’s been so awful on the playmaking front this year.

    11. I said it before, we are engaging in a waiting game with Cleveland and LA to see which one caves in and trades us something acceptable for Melo. We might not think much of him, but his friends on those teams do and they are running out of options to improve their teams.

      Carmelo? So I come all the way back to knickerblogger, to find people complaining about Melo? This is getting pitiful.

      This love for pg’s, like dennis smith on this board is equally misplaced. Monk is most likely the answer for the Knicks. I expect Rose to resign also. Just saying, prepare yourself.

    12. On Rose: can anybody tell me why his assist rate is so low this year? He’s getting to the rim a ton, his TS% isn’t much different than it was at his peak- since the new year his TS% has been .545 but his assist rate has stayed flat at 22%.

      My assumptions about Rose… is that he’s still an all-star caliber player who needs a certain disposition to be at his best. No one is examining this completely.
      If my theory of Rose is correct, that he passes off of his scoring, then he needs a certain amount of penetration to find open players. Now force Rose to play 3rd option, and his numbers have been down ever since.
      However, another argument can be made that a spread pick n roll system would fit well with his drive and kick style.

    13. I hate to say it but Rose looked good last night. His legs were bouncy and he played with a lot of energy. I think that he had something like 6 assists and 6 rebounds too. Just sayin.

    14. And he had Kawhi on him a lot of the time. While he doesn’t explode up the way he used to it’s pretty clear his first step is still elite. But losing a bit of hang time doesn’t explain the drastic drop in assists even for a guy who passes while airborne as often as he does.

    15. Monk is most likely the answer for the Knicks. I expect Rose to resign also. Just saying, prepare yourself.

      Oh, I’m prepared all right. I’m prepared for Phil Jackson to do all sorts of dumbshit things like re-signing Derrick Rose and drafting Malik Monk.

    16. I think it might be because Rose tends to pass the ball in really bad spots forcing bad shots from the person he kicked to

    17. Does anyone what the odds are of picking #2 specifically if you’re in the 4 position? I don’t feel like doing the math

    18. I really don’t get the hate Monk gets on this site. All the top picks have some flaws and he is no different. I know peeps overvalue scoring but this site undervalues it. He’ll be able to score in the NBA no doubt and the rest is up to him to improve. But peoples this site act like he’s for sure a bust while someone like Jackson or fox is t which just is not the case.

    19. @25

      Yeah but presumably the odds are different wrt the #2/3 pick because of the difference in number of ping pong balls

    20. I think Monk is one of those least likely to bust in this draft. He has an NBA level jumper already. I would not be surprised if he ended up top 5 in this draft looking back a few years from now.

      He just has too many flaws and a low ceiling for us to look at him in the top 5.

    21. I think Monk will be fine, he’s just so Knicksy as a pick and a poor value proposition imo. Especially for the Knicks.

    22. Victories at Madsion Square Garden in March:

      South Carolina Gamecocks: 2

      New York Knicks: 1

      (cc @AdamZagoria)

      From Tommy Beer

    23. Carmelo? So I come all the way back to knickerblogger, to find people complaining about Melo? This is getting pitiful.

      Complaining? Hell, I am happy as a pig in shit that he’s still on this team. We might actually get something for him this offseason. Would totally help our rebuild out.

    24. De’Aaron Fox is totally wrecking shit up. I might have to rethink my assessment of his place in this draft if he keeps this shit up.

    25. Anyone else notice how Zach Lowe now call the Knicks the Kazoos? I think it’s hilarious and we should change the name of the site to the Kazoobloggers.

    26. You know, I’m starting to come around on Josh Jackson. If we can hold that #4 spot or even jump into the top 3, Jackson makes a lot of sense for what we want to do going forward. Let me preface my statement by saying I do not believe he is better than Jonathan Isaac (who I think is the next superstar in the mold of KD and Giannis), but I could see his style of play allowing for him to play either wing slot, and he projects to be a plus rebounder in the NBA. His shot is really funky but he has some good moves to get himself open and protect the ball from defenders. He reminds me a lot of Andrew Wiggins athletically but he seems like a smarter player than Wiggins. He’s a little too explosive, though. He needs to dedicate his life to preserving his body if he doesn’t want to tear an ACL, and I’m not sure if that’s who he is.

      I’ve really come around on him too. I think his defense is probably the surest thing in the draft- I can’t see him not turning into a very, very good defender. His steal and block numbers are better than Kawhi’s college numbers and while his shot is funky he’ll get to the rim/offensive glass enough that he shouldn’t be a disaster on offense. I’d take him at three unless I got a nice offer to move down a spot or two (anything top six or seven but nothing lower) while picking up another asset. Isaac and Fox both look like future plus defenders as well but both need to put on some weight (especially Isaac) whereas Jackson is ready to defend the 2 right now.

    27. I can’t see Fox moving above 4, mayybeee 3, if he has a really spectacular run to the championship

    28. Oh, I’m prepared all right. I’m prepared for Phil Jackson to do all sorts of dumbshit things like re-signing Derrick Rose and drafting Malik Monk.

      Right now, I’m focusing on Hornaceks coaching. It appears that he might be figuring out this system and real defense with it. Watch Courtney Lee, because he may have a latent passing game like Jamal Crawford.

    29. Huge win for the Knicks today with the Kings/Clippers game.

      Doc, you would have won that game if you had a true close like Me70.

    30. And don’t look now, but Buddy Hield has been balling since he left NOLA. I knew he had it in him.

    31. We got really lucky with that Kings win. CP3 passed up an open 3 in the final minute, resulting in a 24-second violation. Crawford missed a pretty good look, and CP3 missed a good look at the buzzer on a play in which Sacto chose not to guard the inbounds because ????

    32. They were up 18 points and the Clippers gave up the lead to Sacramento. Melo would have never let that happen, Doc. CP3 is too short to shoot game winners; you need Melo!

    33. On the final possession, the Kings broadcasters said: “Watch out for Jamal Crawford here. Even though he’s missed 4 of 5, he’s not afraid to take that last shot!”

      If the criteria for a late-game closer is “guy who’s willing to keep firing up shots despite missing a bunch of them,” then the Clippers need to acquire Melo immediately. He’s perfect!

    34. I’m envisioning a lineup next season of
      KP
      Willy
      New NDour
      Lee
      and Lonzo Ball

      I’m stoked.

    35. Kennedy is an out of his mind rebounder

      He should be drafted in the second by someone

    36. Also, I have never heard of Adebayo (don’t fall NCAA too closely) but who the hell is that guy?

      Can’t believe he isn’t a lottery pick

      Meeks is my favorite kind of player. Looks like a latter day Oakley, if s little less chiseled. Maybe a cross of Seeetney and Oakley.

    37. Adebayo was projected to go in the top 10 initially but now I think he’ll go in the late teens early 20s. He’s got a prototypical NBA body

      Meeks is very underrated, and has the smoothest hands though he hasn’t had the opportunity to show it this game scoring wise.

    38. Also, I have never heard of Adebayo (don’t fall NCAA too closely) but who the hell is that guy?

      Can’t believe he isn’t a lottery pick

      He is projected to be drafted somewhere between the 15th and 30th pick.

    39. I can’t say I am too impressed with either Monk or Fox. At least Fox looks like he can defend and get out in transition. I can see why people get excited about his athleticism. Easy to project that body and athleticism

    40. Clutch 3 point jumper by Fox.

      That kid is a much better version of Iman Shumpert. Can you imagine how good Shump would have been if he weren’t a rapper and could make a lay up? That’s DeAaron Fox.

    41. Fox’s inability to drain long jumpers showed up in this game at times. I also wonder about his physicality in the next level. He looks like he can be stonewalled by larger, stronger defenders he’ll meet in the NBA. But he is one hell of a defender and can force turnovers with the best of them.

    42. Drafting DeAaron Fox is drafting a culture of winning. I’ve never seen a prospect that I trust as a leader as much as I trust Fox. He’s that congenial LeBron type of leader that can handle the media well and rally the troops. I’m a big fan of that kid. If he learns how to shoot he will be the best point guard in the NBA.

    43. So the post tournament big board has to look like:

      1) Fultz
      2) Ball
      3) Jackson
      4) Fox
      5) Smith Jr
      6) Tatum
      7) Isaac
      8) Markannen
      9) Ntilikina
      10) Bridges
      11) Monk

    44. Every guard had a lot of difficulty this game because of the size and very good play of Meeks, Hicks, Bradley, Adebayo and Humphries

      It’s true that Fox struggled against size, but pretty much every player in the game shot awfully. Just a really defensively intense game.

    45. I dont know why but the first guy I think of watching Fox is Jamal Crawford . Something about the way they move and how slight they both are. But good to hear he is high charaxter.

    46. 1) Fultz
      2) Ball
      3) Jackson
      4) Fox
      5) Smith Jr
      6) Tatum
      7) Isaac
      8) Markannen
      9) Ntilikina
      10) Bridges
      11) Monk

      I think Tatum will go Top 5, but otherwise, I think you nailed the top five in order. Beyond that, I could see Smith, Ntilikina, Issac, Monk, Markannen and Bridges going all over the place from #6-11.

    47. Yeah that’s something I was saying before re: Fox. His character/leadership seems really, really good. I’ve seen him play a fair bit and he always stays calm, cool, and collected and his personality off court seems real nice too.

    48. And yeah I think Tatum and Fox are interchangeable for the #4/5 spot. Phil would have to be crazy to not pick Fox if he’s available. With the way the Knicks are playing I’d be extremely disappointed if we didn’t get one of Fox or Ball.

      It’s also important to note that Fox was matching up against one of the better defenders in the NCAA in Theo Pinson, who can guard like four positions and is really long/high iq/has good hands.

    49. It’s true that Fox struggled against size, but pretty much every player in the game shot awfully. Just a really defensively intense game.

      I am not concerned with every other guard since I don’t intend upon drafting them. Fox needs to build up some strength or his quickness won’t mean much at the next level, especially if his jumper is as spotty as I think it is.

    50. After having studied him extensively on video, I think Ntilikina could have competed with these guys and acquitted himself just as well as Fox or especially Monk.

    51. Give Fox 15 pounds and an 18 footer and he’s vintage Rose with Defense. I doubt he’s ever going to be an elite playmaker (meaning a high 30s assist rate year in and out) but as long as he can hit a mid-range jumper with any kind of consistency he’s going to be really, really good. His form looks fine- it seems to me he’s usually a little to strong on it- sure looks fixable. Maybe Tatum gets picked before him based on a team’s needs but I can’t see him lasting past 5. I’d be very happy to see him in Knicks uniform next year.

    52. Someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Jeremy Lin- Both Philly and Orlando have two games left with Brooklyn.

    53. Someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Jeremy Lin- Both Philly and Orlando have two games left with Brooklyn.

      If you were going to revolve your entire offense around point guard play, maybe you should have signed more than just Jeremy Lin, so that when Lin gets hurt, it doesn’t completely destroy your entire offense. Such a weird thing that the Nets had, where they couldn’t do anything without Lin. It’s not like Lin’s Chris Paul, ya know?

    54. In a 7 game series, the Nets would deserve to be the favorite over the Knicks the way both are playing right now. Let that sink in.

    55. The Knicks beat the Nets in 5. Willy Hernangomez is better than everyone in Brooklyn.

    56. obv very preliminary but as it stands….

      1. celtics – probably take fultz cause he’s the best player….
      2. lakers – probably ball cause LA…
      3. suns – probably jackson because bledsoe… but maybe fox if they deal him…
      4. magic – they probably take fox.. but maybe tatum… question mark…

      being #5 leaves us with one of the top pg’s for sure which is good… so it’s a good position to be in…. there are some combos where jackson might fall if say the sixers get it into the top 3 and the suns come out…. but i would take jackson in that case since he’s probably the 2nd best prospect in the draft….

      if we can finish ahead of the magic then #4 is obviously a better position to be in and locks in a top 7 which i think is important in this draft….

    57. 4. magic – they probably take fox.. but maybe tatum… question mark…

      The Magic are a fascinating case. Who do they take if they’re #4 and Fultz, Ball and Jackson are gone (which they will be)? I really don’t know. I think Fox.

    58. I don’t know if the Magic would take Fox because they already have the human sun visor there.

      Maybe Isaac because Florida?

    59. the magic are perennial weirdos…. i do get the impression that they are about done with payton so that’s why i think they lean pg in the draft…. but maybe they draft smith instead of fox because of the jumper….

      i do think we should be targeting fox with our pick and his ncaa run probably means we need to get in the top 4….

    60. the magic are perennial weirdos…. i do get the impression that they are about done with payton so that’s why i think they lean pg in the draft…. but maybe they draft smith instead of fox because of the jumper….

      Yeah, I think they’re fine keeping Payton on the team, but they likely want a new starting point guard. Smith makes some sense, but if so, why not trade down to a team that wants Fox?

    61. Man, in how bad shape are the Pistons? They really, really should have blown it up at the deadline. They are pretty much locked in to what they have. And KCP is a upcoming FA who I’ve already read that Philly is interested in and another team I forget.

      So if you are Detroit GM, what exactly would be your plan? I don’t think you can say SVG has done a good job at operations. But it also was kind of foreshadowed because you can’t really be the optimal GM and coach at same time.

      Here is a link to their salary situation http://hoopshype.com/salaries/detroit_pistons/
      Taking Stanley Johnson over Devin Booker has to hurt, and I was big on Stanley coming out.

    62. Man, in how bad shape are the Pistons? They really, really should have blown it up at the deadline. They are pretty much locked in to what they have. And KCP is a upcoming FA who I’ve already read that Philly is interested in and another team I forget.

      So if you are Detroit GM, what exactly would be your plan? I don’t think you can say SVG has done a good job at operations. But it also was kind of foreshadowed because you can’t really be the optimal GM and coach at same time.

      It really is weird, since with all of these great coaches who turned out to be shitty GMs (SVG, Doc, Thibs, Jackson) you would think would make teams think twice about giving out more jobs like it, but it doesn’t seem as though that is the case. It’s like one guy succeeding (Riley) has outweighed all of the other examples. Even Pop only shares GM responsibility. Hmmm…I guess Budenholzer seems like an okay GM, so far. Maybe it’s just San Antonio people that work. :) Oh wait, wasn’t Doc part of the San Antonio front office? And he sucks as a GM.

    63. https://instagram.com/p/BSH1126hfX0/

      This is the type of kid you want on your team to represent your franchise. De’Aaron Fox is really my favorite person in this draft. High ceiling, great work ethic, and he has the highest character of everybody. We really need character guys in our locker room as much as we need good players.

    64. I think its great that Fox played his heart out. But I try to avoid getting caught up in judging players’ reactions after these games. Everyone handles defeat differently.

    65. My point is this organization needs high character guys. Here’s a kid who is a great defender, cares immensely about his teammates, and was a 5 WS player through 1,036 minutes despite making only 15 3PA all year. When you have a kid with a statistical profile as good as his in an offense as poorly run as what goes on in UK, and then on top of that he’s a kid with very high character? It’s the icing on the cake.

      De’Aaron Fox is big time. If he were a good shooter there would be no discussion as to who the top player in the draft was, and that’s something you can develop in time. I don’t let his jump shot keep me from drafting him because he does everything else well.

    66. De’Aaron Fox is big time. If he were a good shooter there would be no discussion as to who the top player in the draft was, and that’s something you can develop in time.

      I’m all in on Fox, but I don’t think a team should pick Fox while thinking that his shot will be fixed. They should just hope that it does and just be happy with him anyways if it does not. We can’t, wishcast that his shot will be fixed.

      I don’t let his jump shot keep me from drafting him because he does everything else well.

      Absolutely agreed.

    67. He’s not a great assist guy, his RSB numbers are only okay, why isn’t his greatness showing up in the box score? He looked fucking amazing against UCLA, but that’s one game.

    68. Yeah, I am of the opinion that Fox is being majorly overrated on this board. His deficiencies were covered up playing on a stacked Kentucky team. That shot won’t be fixed overnight, his lack of strength won’t allow him to get to the basket and finish anywhere as easily as he did in college, and his assist/ rebound percentages are meh compared to other guards in this draft. I really believe Ntilikina already can perform on the same level as him in most respects.

    69. i think the ucla game was probably the biggest reason why fox should be ahead of ball…. ball has issues getting into the paint and on defense… something that plagues tall pg’s in general…

      fox can get to the paint which is probably the most important skill for a pg… while not looking for his own shot most of the time which is a knock against smith….

      i think it should be fultz, jackson, fox as the top 3…

    70. I really don’t think Ntilikina goes in the top 8, and I think the Knicks will end with around the 5th worst record. I’m hoping we either get lucky in the lottery and draft Ball or Fox falls to us at 5. I’m afraid Phil will choose Tatum with the 4th pick, and I am also afraid he will choose Monk with something like the 7th or 8th pick. Really, I’m just hoping for a draft position where Phil can’t possibly make any dumb decisions.

    71. kentucky has had better teams and being on stacked teams doesn’t mean that you’re a bad player…. and it’s especially true when he’s the best player on that team…. the numbers are good if not stellar for fox…. his numbers are comparable to john wall… that’s the level of prospect you’re looking at….

      and his rsb is fine… it usually should be over 6 and he’s at 7+ which is the same as what wall and conley had…

    72. De’Aaron Fox has been one of the better players in the country, but he’s certainly not a top 20 guy in productivity, probably even among the major conferences. He ranks 18 in BPM and 8 in Win Shares among freshmen. He does everything pretty well besides shoot from long range, but nothing amazing, it seems like. That being said, he’s extremely fast, shows good court vision, and is or will be elite defensively. That’s worth a #4 pick even if he doesn’t develop in the assists or shooting department.

      His numbers are really similar to John Wall’s one and done season at Kentucky, except he assists less and turns the ball over way less.
      wall vs. Deaaron
      pointz per 40: 19.1 vs 22.7
      rb per 40: 4.9 vs. 5.3
      ast per 40: 7.5 vs 6.3
      stl per 40: 2.0 vs 2.0
      FT%: .754 vs .742
      TOV%: 21.4 vs 13.9
      USG%: 25.7 vs 27.6
      AST%: 34.8 vs 28.8
      3p %: .325 vs .231 (yikes)
      2p%: .509 vs .526
      TS%: .562 vs .551
      WS/48: .196 vs .194

      He’s also a better defender than Wall was. He compares similarly, overall. Again, that’s certainly worth a top 4 pick.

    73. I have the same worries about Ntlikina as I do with Ball- is he going to be able to get in the lane on a consistent basis and does he have some kind of mid-range game? Really tough to continually run the offense from out by the three point line- really only Harden and Curry do it and both those guys are high volume scorers. I’m sure Ball figures it out but really have no idea about Frank.

    74. Pretty much the only other player than Fox I’d consider at #4 is Isaac (assuming Ball, Fultz, Jackson are taken.) everyone else is a tier below, though I do like Frank.

    75. I can’t predict when Ntilikina will be drafted, but I believe he’s as good as any player in this draft not named Fultz, Ball or Isaac. I also believe we should pick whoever makes sense for us as BPA and not get caught up in what draft boards project since they’re always wrong in hindsight.

    76. kentucky has had better teams and being on stacked teams doesn’t mean that you’re a bad player….

      No one said this, only that he benefits from being on a team where his lack of range or limited playmaking aren’t major impediments to their success. Whenever we look at a player we have to take their performances under context and the fact is that Kentucky asks Fox to do less for them than Washington asks of Fultz, UCLA asks of Ball, and NC State asks of Smith.

      …. the numbers are good if not stellar for fox…. his numbers are comparable to john wall… that’s the level of prospect you’re looking at….

      Wall was a little better all around in the areas where Fox lacks.

    77. Also, when people use Wall as a baseline for Fox we should be clear about what we’re expecting. Wall is a career .107 WS/48 player.

    78. @109

      Playing on a better team doesn’t mean your numbers are inflated, just like playing on a worse team doesn’t mean they’re deflated. It’s highly, highly contextual. Fultz averages more turnovers and his TS% is probably slightly lowered by the fact that his teammates are bad. Players that go to high quality programs like Kentucky often suffer in their box score stats though, as they end up deferring more and dancing to the coach’s/seniors’ tunes. De’Aaron is tasked with being the primary ball handler on a team with literally no offensive creation outside of his penetration–that’s a lot to ask of a young player.

      Also it’s very facile to use Wall’s career WS/48 as a proxy for his overall value as a player, as he’s been playing all star caliber basketball for the last few years, despite his early struggles. Also, he’s definitely undervalued by WS due to his efficiency issues. He ranks just outside the top 20 players in the NBA according to BPM and VORP this year. You absolutely take a perennial top 40 player with the 4th pick in a draft. Not saying that Fox will be Wall, just saying that Wall is actually really good and so using his career numbers so dismiss him and by extension Fox is misguided imo.

    79. Playing on a better team doesn’t mean your numbers are inflated, just like playing on a worse team doesn’t mean they’re deflated.

      I wouldn’t say Kentucky’s talent and depth inflates Fox’s production, in some respects it probably keeps the volume of his production down. I am merely saying that it helps cover up deficiencies in his game from being as easily exploited at this level. Take UCLA and Ball for instance. Lonzo didn’t have a horrible game against Kentucky, but his team got its ass whipped because he’s expected to produce at a super high level of efficiency in order for them to win games against elite caliber competition. When he couldn’t do it playing at a certain comfort level you could see him pressing in order to compensate for the fact that Kentucky was a better all around team.

      I say this because its easy to overlook Fox’s weaknesses in games like the one Kentucky just lost by a close margin. But the impact of a guard who lacks strength to finish at the basket against bigger physical guards and who can’t consistently hit long jumpers is a really big problem for an NBA style offense.

      Also it’s very facile to use Wall’s career WS/48 as a proxy for his overall value as a player, as he’s been playing all star caliber basketball for the last few years, despite his early struggles.

      You guys made the baseline comparison. But if you want lets take the last 4 seasons and he’s a 127.25 WS/48 player. Its better, and shows he’s a good player, but not a major difference maker largely because he isn’t a very good 3 point shooter and it depresses his TS% down.

    80. UK is not a stacked team at least no more than any other number 2 seed in the tournament. They’re good but weren’t clear favorites or anything. The team wall was on with cousins was way more stacked.

      Fox and monk are the stars of that team with Willis being the third fiddle and some good players. Again a good team but not stacked. They weren’t the fab five.

      Also regarding the Knicks. Fox complimented monk very well bc Monk can shoot very well. I bet Fox would fit pretty well with Courtney lee next year.

    81. UK is not a stacked team at least no more than any other number 2 seed in the tournament.

      They have three players in Fox, Monk and Adebayo expected to go in top 25 of this year’s draft. Is there any team, including Duke, which is that loaded with top tier talent? I am not even counting solid players like Willis, Briscoe, Gabriel…

      Also regarding the Knicks. Fox complimented monk very well bc Monk can shoot very well. I bet Fox would fit pretty well with Courtney lee next year.

      In college you will get away with not being able to drain 3s as a guard, but not in the NBA.

    82. Actually, Duke’s foursome of Taytum, Giles, Kennard, and Allen are better all around. But that’s it.

    83. I can’t predict when Ntilikina will be drafted, but I believe he’s as good as any player in this draft not named Fultz, Ball or Isaac. I also believe we should pick whoever makes sense for us as BPA and not get caught up in what draft boards project since they’re always wrong in hindsight.

      If the Knicks end up with Ntilikina, I’d be cool with that, as well, but I think Fox is a slightly safer bet. Presuming the Knicks are picked after the Top Three, I’d go Fox, Ntilikina and Isaac in that order.

    84. @ 115 – by that measure every team UK has is a stacked team since Calliperi arrived.

      They weren’t clear favorites to win it all. To me that means they weren’t stacked.

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