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Thursday, March 23, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.03.16)

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Hornacek blames everyone for Knicks missing playoffs
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:59:00 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Jeff Hornacek said he didn’t feel undermined by team president Phil Jackson conducting a triangle tutorial last week, and doesn’t seem concerned about someone being the fall guy if and when the season ends with the Knicks missing the playoffs for the fourth straight year.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks show life in win over Pacers, but team is looking to next season
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:52:09 AM)

    Jeff Hornacek is no longer saying the Knicks can make a playoff run. The Knicks coach conceded the race is just about over and it’s time to start building for next season.

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson won’t fire Jeff Hornacek: source
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:38:39 PM)

    Despite the brutal record and growing input of Phil Jackson, who reversed the head coach’s offense, Jeff Hornacek’s job is safe, according to an NBA source. In his three years as team president, Jackson has had four head coaches and, though this club was built to win now, there’s no plan for a fifth head…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis will start missing out on Knicks ‘confusion’
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:12:03 PM)

    From “confusion to contusion,” Kristaps Porzingis is expected to miss his 11th game, this one because of a bruised left thigh when the Knicks host the Nets on Thursday. Porzingis left Tuesday’s game with the Pacers at the start of the fourth quarter after colliding with Monta Ellis, and the Knicks rallied to win without him….

  • [NYPost] Jeff Teague slipping away from Knicks for worrying reason
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:03:00 AM)

    Pacers point guard Jeff Teague, among the array of marquee free-agent playmakers available in July, admits he once hoped to get traded to the Knicks from Atlanta when GM Steve Mills inquired back near the trade deadline in early 2014. That was a month before Phil Jackson and the triangle. Teague acknowledged New York likely…

  • [NYPost] ‘My time with Knicks was basketball hell’
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:46:15 AM)

    Iman Shumpert didn’t know he was in basketball hell until he stepped into heaven. The former Knicks guard initially felt sad when he was dumped during the 2014-15 season. “I was hurt when I got traded,” Shumpert told HoopsHype, which interviewed numerous players on how it feels to be traded at mid-season. “It was a deflating feeling,…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis will limp toward a finish he hates
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:08:26 AM)

    The previous time Kristaps Porzingis left a basketball court, he admitted he was confused and frustrated. When he exited Tuesday night, he was banged up and limping. And in the Knicks’ eyes, injured is worse. The injury does not appear serious, though, and Porzingis, who suffered a bruised thigh, has fingers crossed he could be…

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: Everyone needs to get on same page says Fisher
    (Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:58:37 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: Everyone needs to get on same page says Fisher

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Hornacek: Triangle a selling point
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:09:24 PM)

    Knicks’ Hornacek: Triangle a selling point

  • [NYDN] Derek Fisher: Here’s the biggest obstacle to Knicks success
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:00:32 PM)

    Derek Fisher says that creating a winning culture in New York is challenging because “there’s so many different things pulling at you.”

  • [NYDN] Former Knick Darko Milicic said he ‘got drunk before practices’
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:02:37 AM)

    Darko Milicic is opening up about his dark days in the NBA.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks get ready for tilt vs. Nets
    (Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:12:32 AM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Teague speaks about triangle, potential of joining Knicks
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:15:53 PM)

    Pacers PG Jeff Teague, who will be a free agent after the season, weighed in on his unfamiliarity with the Triangle.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis absent from Knicks practice
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:55:00 PM)

    Knicks F Kristaps Porzingis missed the team’s practice on Wednesday after suffering a deep thigh bruise, the club said.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony records double-double in Knicks’ win over Pacers
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:15:07 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony recorded a double-double in New York’s win over the Pacers Tuesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: The Dog Days
    (Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:50:18 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton are officially in the dog days of the season as the guys discuss what Knicks fans can look forward to for the rest of the year.

  • 68 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.16)

    1. wetbandit

      – I want the #5, with a 29% chance of drafting top-3, 8.8% chance of top-1. But I don’t think we have a chance to beat Philly. After this West road trip we’re gonna have, who knows.

      – The negativity: If some of you guys had Towns instead of KP, you’d be lamenting his drop in blocks, stagnating rebounding rate, and below-average defensive stats. If you had Jokic, you’d be throwing hissy fits about a high-volume efficient scorer and horrid defender at the worst possible position for that combo.

      – KP is an excellent defender and good shooter with very good reasons to succeed in big ways in the future. I think we all agree with that. Oh, and he’s 21. I have reasons to dislike every other player on the team (not Willy). I really think he’s getting worked too hard on D because of the team, and his supporting staff is the worst possible on O. It will all improve.

    2. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Jeff Teague had a WS48 of .142 going into last night’s game so I was waiting to see greatness because stats don’t lie. I’m still waiting.

      I’m still waiting for a stathead to explain to me how Jeff Teague has a WS48 of .142 and is a below average PG.

      Reub, they aren’t answering your question because they don’t have an answer.

      @68 That’s what I thought. Basketball analytics as aspoused on KB appear to be a fraud.

      I’m not sure what you’re even arguing. Are you claiming that Teague is a below average PG by the eye test, and that one stat is over-rating him? His WS/48 has him ranked 12th. So that stat isn’t claiming that he’s a top tier PG by any means. It’s puts him just a notch above league average, which looking at his stats (.567 ts%, 16.6 pts/36, 8.8 ast/36, 3.2 to/36) is about right.

      Your next argument is that if the stat test fails for one player, then the whole system is “aspoused” as false. Well buddy, lemme tell you if that were the criteria, then the eye test failed decades ago. Just go back to any year in Knicks history and look at the comments on this blog. We’ve had people be pro Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Anfernee Hardaway, Steve Francis, Bargnani, etc. over the years. This site’s history is filled with bums that the eye-test people squinted at and saw productive players.

      Of course when productive player failed to live up to the eye test, there was no reflection on the legitimacy of the eye test. The eye test never looks back, it only looks forward. Of course that’s because when you live only with the eye test method – the merits of it are judged by the eye test, and you can squint your way in believing anything.

    3. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Reub, and what credibility do you have on this blog anyhow? Did the Knicks win their 50th game yet as you predicted? Has Derrick Rose transformed this team with his awesome style of play? Has Phil fitted a 14th ring since joining New York? Are any of these things that your eye test has foreseen likely to happen in the near future?

      If Phil traded for Teague tomorrow, the stats would still say he’s the 12th best PG in the league. But your eye test would vault him from below average to top 10 PG! So what does that say about our methods?

      [To Be Continued]

    4. Mike Kurylo Post author

      And I commend the other commenters here for not answering your question. There’s no point in arguing with you, reub, becuase you are a dishonest debator. No amount of logic will sway you, and you offer none back. Discussing basketball with you is like discussing nap time with a toddler. Seasoned parents know better than to ask a 3 year old a yes/no question. We don’t say “Are you ready for nap time yet?” We say “Get in bed.”

      I keep you around, despite your trollish tendencies, because I’ve been accused of silencing optimism here and your blind devotion is largely harmless. You want to come around in September and predict 50 games every year, great. Go for it. But when March comes and the Knicks are 14 games under 500, take your lumps, admit your faults, and wait until June to inject positivity here.

      Reub, what I won’t stand for is trolling against people in a manner not fitting an adult. If a 10 year old can find the fault in your argument, don’t make it here. There are plenty of forums where people indulge in such behavior, but I won’t. If you want to question the authenticity or relevance of advanced stats, then do so. But put on your big boy pants first, have something worthy to say, and make an argument stronger than your own eye-test (which we’ve more than established by now is utterly worthless.)

      I’ll stand for your optimistic expression, but I won’t stand for your hack job of trying to discredit statistical methods based on bullshit.

    5. Philmelo

      @Mike

      You gave reub way more attention than he deserves. You should just ignore his casual stupidity.

    6. Nick C.

      I donno, he does actually comment on the game threads and he dislikes Melo. I look at it as a form of performance art.

    7. ClashFan

      Teague definitely had a bad game against the Knicks, but that doesn’t argue anything for or against analytics. Dude just had a horrible game, which is bad luck for the Knicks.

      I really hope that Hornacek does not get fired or resigns. While he might be a lousy coach (hopefully not), maybe by his not stressing D early on he set a bad tone, etc., this season has been such a mess that I think he really deserves another year. Especially one without Rose and Melo, if possible.

    8. ClashFan

      @7
      But does “performance art” have to include incessantly insulting people who don’t agree with you? Now, reub is not alone in that regard here, true, but he had become a pretty “high volume” insulter, a la Theo, or Melo chucking up shots when he’s not on. Some are more “efficient” at it!
      :-)

      I think Cronin put it well some time ago where he advised someone to “stop engaging” him, but some kept taking the bait.

    9. TheOakmanCometh

      @1

      wetbandit, you’re probably right that we don’t have a chance to catch Philly. We’re 3 wins ahead of them with 14 games to go. They’re just not good enough to string enough wins together to pass us.

      We’re in a dogfight with NO and Sac for the #6-8 spots. Most likely outcome is we finish 7th behind Sac and ahead of NO.

    10. Philmelo

      Jesus, that expose on Darko is brutal. What a headcase. I feel for the dude. He was introduced to more money, exposure and hype at a tender young age than he was ever ready for.

    11. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Some of you guys are too full of yourselves. I never intentionally insult anyone so please get over it. I’m a Knick fan and I’m not ashamed to stand up for my team even when others are morbid in their views. If my being positive and optimistic in my views bothers you so much then you have real problems.

    12. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Some of the statistics harped on constantly in here as the gospel can make one blind to what’s happening in real life. Statistics lie, can be skewed, or are sometimes just plain wrong or misapplied. I know that saying that can be considered heresy in here but those are just the facts. The eye test rules plus it’s much more fun!

    13. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Mike, you have a great site here but having just one side of the coin presented isn’t always good enough. Both sides of the coin have merit and beauty. Other points of view should be encouraged, not threatened with banishment. Possibly some have mistaken my wry sense of humor for “insults” and to those I wholeheartedly apologize. However, what I really think is happening is that those with opinions that differ from mine are acting in an overly sensitive manner to try to silence my opinions, which they dislike.

    14. JK47

      Jowles summed it up very well the other day: reub’s shtick is based in feigned stupidity. He pretends to be stupid to get attention on a basketball forum on the internet. He has a whole willfully ignorant character fleshed out. This character comes complete with catch phrases and corny jokes designed to annoy.

      He’s the worst. But hey, at least we’re all talking about reub, which is the real goal. Pure troll all the way.

    15. Philmelo

      Anyways, back to actual basketball discussion. I see that NBADraft.net has us picking Ntilikina at the #7 spot. Interesting how fast Tatum’s and Fox’s stock have risen. Isaac has dropped a bit down from around #4 to #6, but the biggest loser seems to be Dennis Smith who the mocks have at #9 with Dallas.

    16. Ambrosenyk

      NBADraft and Draftexpress has Fox rising and Tankathon has him dropping. Still way too soon to put much stock in mocks, but adding Fox to our team would be a very good thing.

    17. Owen

      That’s a good piece. I have always had a feeling that yoy three point shooting volatility was a major x factor across the board in statistical evaluation. Interesting illustration of it.

    18. ClashFan

      The draft player ratings will keep going up and down. The tournament will have an impact, and then later will be all the workouts and rumors of this team and that team liking player A or B. Frank’s ultimate stock will probably be hugely impacted by the workouts he has with teams.

      As for the Knicks, as wetbandit said, getting to #5 would be a dream.

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      If Kawhi Leonard is actually a terrible defender, I will never use the eye test for anything ever again. Not for buying clothes, fixing appliances around my house, reading books, choosing romantic partners, or determining whether I’m getting fat in my thirties. I will trust nothing.

    20. TheOakmanCometh

      At this point I would sign for the #6 worst record. That would give us a 74% chance of picking either 6th or 7th, and a 22% chance of picking Top 3.

    21. geo

      The eye test never looks back, it only looks forward. Of course that’s because when you live only with the eye test method – the merits of it are judged by the eye test, and you can squint your way in believing anything.

      when i squint really hard in to the mirror – i swear i can see willy’s doppleganger staring back at me…me, willy – when it comes to appearance – we are in fact: one and the same…

      of course after squinting so hard for a few minutes – had to take a couple of advils and lay down for awhile…

      well – no back to back wins for our old knickerbockers since thursday, december 22 2016…here’s hoping we can keep that streak alive a little longer…

    22. fmikieo

      There are SO many good players available, I’m not really worried much about how the Knicks finish. That said, they really do need draft a point guard with the following attributes:

      1. At least above average length and athleticism.
      2. Committed to play 2-way basketball. It would be ideal the dude can become an elite defender.
      3. At least above average slasher and distributor.
      4. Gym rat. Puts the work in, especially on his 3’s and D.
      5. At least above average 2-way instincts.
      6. At least average at playmaking.

      If the Knicks pick a dude who fit these criteria, I’ll be a happy fan.

    23. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Mike, you have a great site here but having just one side of the coin presented isn’t always good enough. Both sides of the coin have merit and beauty. Other points of view should be encouraged, not threatened with banishment. Possibly some have mistaken my wry sense of humor for “insults” and to those I wholeheartedly apologize.

      So then Mike, is basketball analytics a “settled science”?

      I won’t speak for anyone else but myself.

      It’s complete bull to hide behind “both sides of the coin have merit & beauty.” This is a fallacy that can be disproven in a number of ways (slavery, rape, ethnic cleansing, etc. ). For both sides of the coin to have merit, there needs to be some basis in reality, facts, and/or logic. Otherwise the man outside my building with the “The End is Nigh” sign is scientifically equally valid as Bill Nye. And he is not.

      And to answer your question, no basketball science is not a settled matter. Far from it. To point out the finer issues with WS/48 is fine. Heck I’d do it myself if I didn’t have to deal with the bigger issues at hand.

      However it’s well established that fundamentals of basketball science is reliable. Four factors will always be close to wins. Expected wins outperform actual wins in prediction. Player per-minute stats usually stay consistent within year to year, outside of areas of growth, decline, and injury.

      It’s also well established that for large segments of humans, the “eye test alone” (sans stats) is complete and utter crap. This includes former players, executive, scouts, analysts, coaches, and other self-touted “experts.” Actually often the “eye test alone” is really just looking at basic antiquated stats (point per game, rebounds per game, etc.) so it’s not even a pure “eye test”.

      So if you want to participate here in debate, you’ll have to abide by the laws of logic and reason. Not just spout out ridiculousness and hope to be…

    24. ClashFan

      @28
      Yes, I really hope that the Knicks can get one of the top PG. I’d really like Ball, but he’ll be quite a long shot to have a chance at…as of now, I’d be thrilled with Fox or Frank!

    25. fmikieo

      Check out these monthly TS% from one NBA point guard:

      October 47.2%
      November 50.6%
      December 51.3%
      January 52.5%
      February 54.4%
      March 57.1%

      Can you guess who? (Hint: he doesn’t shot 3’s)

      If you guessed Derrick Rose, you’d be correct. He’s improved every month this season. That’s hard to do. And now that he’s initiating contact with his drives and getting calls, he could do 59-60% over the last 14 games.

      And that’s without shooting 3’s. What would his TS% be if he got close to league average on his 3’s?

      If I were Phil, I might resign Rose, but to a contract that gets renewed annually only when he hits specific goals. Goals could include 3pt% and 3pt fga, positive +/-, assist rate. If he can’t hit the contract goals, the deal ends that offseason. If he does reach them, the Knicks get an effective DRose.

    26. geo

      If I were Phil, I might resign Rose

      NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

      trying to think of other high usage players (25.0 and above) whom totally mail it in on the defensive end (low: rebound, steal and block percentages)…hmmmm, melo and rose seem to come to mind though…

      Isiah Thomas – in his defense – he is only 4’9″ though
      Andre Wiggins
      Devin Booker
      Reggie Jackson
      Damian Lilliard
      Harrison Barnes

      wow, ricky rubio has a usage of 15.9…is he really a point guard :-)

    27. domiknick

      Isiah Thomas – in his defense – he is only 4’9? though

      Geez geo, the man needs every inch he can get…and you just took a whole foot from him!

    28. DRed

      How anyone could look at the Knicks season and think “let’s do this again next year” is beyond me.

    29. geo

      Isiah Thomas – in his defense – he is only 4’9? though

      Geez geo, the man needs every inch he can get…and you just took a whole foot from him!

      oooops, them was some eye test stats there….

    30. thenoblefacehumper

      If you guessed Derrick Rose, you’d be correct. He’s improved every month this season. That’s hard to do. And now that he’s initiating contact with his drives and getting calls, he could do 59-60% over the last 14 games.

      And that’s without shooting 3’s. What would his TS% be if he got close to league average on his 3’s?

      If I were Phil, I might resign Rose, but to a contract that gets renewed annually only when he hits specific goals. Goals could include 3pt% and 3pt fga, positive +/-, assist rate. If he can’t hit the contract goals, the deal ends that offseason. If he does reach them, the Knicks get an effective DRose.

      Let’s pretend for a second like this trend has any meaningful predictive or analytic relevance (it doesn’t). It would still be a bad idea to sign someone who doesn’t “get good” until we’re already out of playoff contention. Also defense is still a thing, and a thing Derrick Rose does very poorly. Honestly I think he’d still only be a marginally productive player if his TS on the season was 57%.

    31. ClashFan

      @32

      Check out these monthly TS% from one NBA point guard:

      October 47.2%
      November 50.6%
      December 51.3%
      January 52.5%
      February 54.4%
      March 57.1%

      Can you guess who? (Hint: he doesn’t shot 3’s)

      A couple of more hints: he doesn’t play defense at all, and he is not a good distributor…he tends to put his head down when driving and rarely passes out of them…
      :-)

    32. TheOakmanCometh

      Seven of our final 14 games are on national TV. Hasn’t America been punished enough this year?

    33. latke

      Rose really might be healthy again and be like a league average point guard who could help a lot of teams next season. He could become an above average point guard next year. But even if you KNEW that would happen, does it really matter? The same “best case scenario is still a bad scenario” point that people were making when we traded for him still applies. He is still a 28 year old with massive injury issues who is only productive when he plays a style that has an extreme physical toll and virtually guarantees a short career.

      If you thought signing 28 year old Amar’e, who was WAY more productive in his last Suns season than Derrick has been even over the last month, was a bad idea, then you are terrified that we re-sign Rose. He is basically the far less productive PG version of Stoudemire with a worse injury history, playing a style that is even more likely to shorten his career.

    34. d-mar

      Check out these monthly TS% from one NBA point guard:

      October 47.2%
      November 50.6%
      December 51.3%
      January 52.5%
      February 54.4%
      March 57.1%

      Mike, please delete this post before Phil sees it!

    35. geo

      howdy reub – hope all is well for ya sir…any particular teams/players you have your eye on in the big dance…

      seems this is the time of year where some of the #10 to #30 ranked prospects can make themselves some money by performing well…

    36. Z-man

      Please, everyone knows that Pete Rose is a washed-up head case.

      Now Justin Rose has some good years left…

    37. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Hi, geo, did you know that today was National Bash Reub Day? It seems to be a big holiday around here.

      I’m watching Duke (of course). Not because of Tatum, but because I want to scout Kennard, Allen and especially Harry Giles (who has/had some amazing tools to be a dominant NBA player before his knee injuries). If there is a chance that he gets healthy he could be a steal for us. I’m not sure about Grayson Allen but all of his negative press might create value for us and he seems to be a hard nosed basketball player. Luke Kennard is good and everybody knows it so no hidden draft value there.

      The other obvious team that I’m keeping an eye on is Kentucky, not at Fox, but rather looking for signs that Monk can rebound and play defense to go along with his superior shooting and offensive skills. He probably can’t. Could he play PG for a team like ours? His value is a little down right now so that’s why I’m watching him. He’s very gifted offensively.
      How about you?

    38. ClashFan

      @38
      Pete Rose was once a decent PG prospect with a great motor, but he’s a bit old and he, uh, gambles a bit too much on D…
      :-)

    39. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Weren’t optimists pointing at Rose’s end of last year as an indication of this improved play? Didn’t that kind of thinking get us in this mess in the first place?

    40. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      The eye test shows that Rose doesn’t shoot from the outside very often or very well, which is detrimental to a modern day offense. This, in addition to his lack of passing and defense, should be reasons enough to let him go despite his recent small successes.

    41. GoNyGoNyGo

      Weren’t optimists pointing at Rose’s end of last year as an indication of this improved play?

      That would be me (among others). I stand corrected.

      The truth (as I see it now – not through Rose colored glasses) is that Rose is healthy, wealthy and wise. The first two points should not be debatable. The third, about him being wise, is that he’s all about himself. He’s padding stats to get that next big contract. What I failed to see when he came aboard is that he doesn’t pass and that he won’t defend. I keep saying that a point guard must be able to do 2 things: Pass and Defend.

      I don’t want Rose back. I want a kid that can learn and grow with KP and Wily. I also have had enough of geometry. It’s time to kick PJ to the curb. He’s not helping this team in any way.

    42. geo

      Weren’t optimists pointing at Rose’s end of last year as an indication of this improved play? Didn’t that kind of thinking get us in this mess in the first place?

      i was hopeful…but, i’m usually hopeful about most stuff – til things turn to shit…

      it seems the big issue (correctly as it turned out) folks had initially was his fit on this particular team (that and we had to give up rolo and grant) – low efficiency (to his credit he has improved), ball dominant player (high usage)…

      we already had one of those (melo), and, another developing player with those tendencies (kp) …

      turns out – it was worse than what we thought – hesitant to penetrate and create for teammates, abysmal defense and generally poor life/joy sucking attitude out on the court…

    43. dtrickey

      Ha ha wow that is a ballsy move suggesting we resign Rose around here. It is an interesting proposition though giving out a performance based contract. In our Australian Football league, teams have been doing something similar with older players. Usually it’s games played thing as they are prone to breaking down (e.g. deals are usually for a one season, but if a player plays x amount of games in a season that triggers a second year). I doubt player agents would agree to that unless it were a player desperate to get back into the league.

      Always interesting time of the year with the tournament kicking off. With Fultz seeming like he has no.1 just about stitched up regardless of not being in the tournament, it seems scouts aren’t putting as much weight on tournament play (at least that’s what it looks like. See Ben Simmons). Will be interesting to see how some prospects like Tatum move. You would have to think if a player like him has a real strong campaign, he could suck some teams to use a use a high lottery pick on him.

    44. geo

      How about you?

      to be honest reub…between work, family/friends, following the knicks/yankees and g-men – and general life type stuff, i haven’t really had much time to follow college b-ball…

      most of what i know regarding individual players/prospects, comes from you all…i’m gonna read that link from z-man to catch up a bit…

      plus – i’m addicted to eso…it’s an mmo i started playing a couple of years ago…something about destroying other player s pixels really works for me…it’s like a second job…

      sooooo, not too much extra time in life…and, now my garage door opener’s light has stopped working – lord knows that in of itself will take me at least a week or so to figure out and fix…ugh, life always seems so busy…

    45. dtrickey

      Holy smokes. MTSU giving Minnesota a whoopin at the moment. First upset of the tournament and as usual my bracket is effed after the first day.

    46. Brian Cronin

      Holy smokes. MTSU giving Minnesota a whoopin at the moment. First upset of the tournament and as usual my bracket is effed after the first day.

      That was apparently the best bet of the tournament based on projection systems. I took MTSU because of that.

    47. ClashFan

      @62

      Jesus… I’d rather sign Axl Rose!

      Nah, we need someone that can run PnR, not GnR!
      :-)

    48. Hugo Busto

      Tatum will def climb the draft boards. he started the season hurt and seems to be getting into a groove now.

      this board is anti Tatum right?

      im starting to become a fan on his NBA outlook (not specifically saying on the knicks tho)

    49. the don nelson era

      I welcome the Bullstank. Their max is 50 losses and they have Philly 2x and New Orleans on their schedule. Then again, the Knicks also see them once more…

    50. Brian Cronin

      this board is anti Tatum right?

      I think he’ll be a fine NBA player, but I think the other guys have more likely upside. But he’s a type of player NBA teams love to draft, so i suspect he’ll end up going top five, along with Isaac and JJ.

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