Knicks Morning News (2016.03.17)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Thursday's Knicks Links: Curry teases Porzingis over tunnel-shot (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 05:36:07 EST)

    Thursday's Knicks Links: Curry teases Porzingis over tunnel-shot

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Warriors keep writing history with 50th straight home win (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 03:37:21 EST)

    Warriors keep writing history with 50th straight home win

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Kurt Rambis: Tony Wroten won't play this season (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 00:56:25 EST)

    Kurt Rambis: Tony Wroten won't play this season

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks starters pummeled by Warriors' first team (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:19:50 EDT)

    OAKLAND, Calif. — As the shot clock was winding down, the Warriors knew who to give the ball to and Stephen Curry delivered as only he can.

  • [New York Times] Stephen Curry Sees Room for Improvement. Seriously. (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:00:21 GMT)

    Deep into his record-setting season, Curry seems determined to become a better player, even if his Warriors teammates doubt that it’s possible.

  • [New York Times] Stephen Curry Adds to Record 3-Pointer Total With 8 More (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 05:51:40 GMT)

    Here’s an uncanny option for the defending NBA champions: 6-foot-10 Marreese Speights spotting up from deep and getting in on the 3-point fun right alongside Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson.

  • [New York Times] Curry Hot as Warriors Make It 50 Straight (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 05:21:28 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors recorded their 50th consecutive home victory Wednesday night, riding Stephen Curry’s 34 points to a 121-85 thumping of the New York Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 121, Knicks 85: Warriors Challenged by Knicks, but for Only a Few Minutes (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 05:06:53 GMT)

    Golden State missed its first six shots before Stephen Curry led a rout of the Knicks, who were powerless to prevent the Warriors’ 50th straight regular-season home victory.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Watch (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 05:00:44 GMT)

    CHASING HISTORY

  • [New York Times] Davis, Anderson Combine for 56 Points; Pelicans Beat Kings (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 04:33:47 GMT)

    Anthony Davis had 27 points and 14 rebounds, Ryan Anderson scored 21 of his 29 points in the second quarter and the New Orleans Pelicans beat the Sacramento Kings 123-108 on Wednesday night to snap a four-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Jordan, Redick Lead Clippers to 122-106 Win Over Houston (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 04:24:42 GMT)

    DeAndre Jordan had 23 points and 14 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Clippers opened up a large halftime lead and never relented en route to a 122-106 victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Cavaliers Edge Mavericks (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 04:14:08 GMT)

    Kyrie Irving scored 33 points and made a key steal in the closing seconds, leading the Cavaliers — without a resting LeBron James — to a 99-98 win over the Dallas Mavericks in Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] Durant’s 28 Points Leads Thunder to 130-109 Win Over Celtics (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 04:09:45 GMT)

    Kevin Durant stepped to the free throw line with his Thunder clobbering the Celtics, and the home crowd let him know how they felt.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Hold Off Pistons for 118-114 Win (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 03:42:46 GMT)

    Paul Millsap made a layup while being fouled to put Atlanta ahead with 3:51 to play.

  • [New York Times] LaVine Leads Wolves Over Short-Handed Grizzlies 114-108 (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 03:06:48 GMT)

    Zach LaVine scored 28 points, Karl-Anthony Towns had 18 points and 10 rebounds and the Minnesota Timberwolves beat the short-handed Memphis Grizzlies 114-108 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] John Wall’s 29, 12 and 10 Lead Wizards Past Bulls 117-96 (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:51:42 GMT)

    The week began with John Wall and the Washington Wizards on a five-game losing streak and facing a daunting margin just to reach the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

  • [New York Times] Irving Leads LeBron-Less Cavaliers Over Mavericks 99-98 (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:39:41 GMT)

    There was no LeBron James to save the Cleveland Cavaliers in crunch time. He was on the bench.

  • [New York Times] Irving Fires Cavs Past Mavs in Cleveland (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:12:31 GMT)

    Kyrie Irving scored 33 points and came up with a key steal in the final seconds to preserve the Cleveland Cavaliers’ 99-98 victory Wednesday against the Dallas Mavericks.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Close Strong Homestand With 107-99 Win Over Magic (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:09:49 GMT)

    The Charlotte Hornets have proven they’re a good NBA team at home.

  • [New York Daily News] Warriors rout Knicks, 121-85, behind Steph Curry’s 34 points (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:45:36 GMT)

    Phil Jackson wisely ended his road trip in Los Angeles and thus was spared the humiliation of watching Stephen Curry.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks sign shooting guard Tony Wroten (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:38:32 GMT)

    The Knicks finally addressed their guard shaky backcourt issues Wednesday, when Phil Jackson announced the signing of Tony Wroten.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo has every right to throw his weight around (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 00:39:06 GMT)

    Maybe James Dolan can arrange it so Phil Jackson can coach 41 games at Madison Square Garden and the other 41 at Staples Center.

  • [New York Post] Curry lights up Knicks to lead Warriors to 50th straight home ‘W’ (Thu, 17 Mar 2016 00:55:48 -0400)

    OAKLAND, Calif. — Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf couldn't have done it better. Stephen Curry returned to greatness after his dud of a game at the Garden in January, slicing the Knicks into a bloody carcass with 34 points in 28 minutes as the Warriors slaughtered the Knicks 121-85 at Oracle Arena in their season's most lopsided defeat….

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    24 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.03.17)”

    1. I hate to be dramatic/short-sighted/reactionary, but how this season has gone (and what it means for the future) really makes me think Dolan should fire Phil at the end of the year.

      It has been 2 years and there is no sign at all that Phil’s approach is working or is likely to work in the future. I’m not saying the Triangle has no chance of working as an offense — it has won 11 championships — but what I am saying is that TALENT wins championships (even Kobe, with his no shit sherlock quote, agrees), and the perception of the Triangle is that it is not a functional modern offense. Ergo – talented players will not want to play in it. we will be stuck trying to make 2nd rate players into 1st rate players, and that just will not work.

      Given that it appears Melo is not going anywhere, we just can’t waste another year of his “prime” trying to prove that yesterday’s system can win tomorrow.

      I try not to be the type of guy who thinks the “old guys” don’t know what they’re doing, but it feels like Phil, Rambis, Byron Scott, Mike Woodson, Lionel Hollins, etc — these guys do not appear to be fresh thinkers. There’s nothing wrong with believing in whatever fundamentals you believe in, but you have to be able to open your mind to progress, and that perhaps your old ideas are not necessarily applicable anymore. This is what separates Pop from other coaches – adaptability.

      What makes this season even worse is that Rambis has taken even the “currency of hope” away from us. He plays Sasha Vujacic and Jose Calderon, while yoyo-ing Grant and Galloway’s minutes, and spends most of his media time trashing KP. When I see Kp play now, sure maybe he’s hit a wall, but it just feels more like he’s lost his will, like he’s just going through the motions now.

      continued…

    2. If Dolan wants the Knicks to succeed, he’ll fire Phil, swallow his pride, and hire Jeff Van Gundy as GM and coach. JVG goes to Sloan every year and like Kerr, has had some time away from the bench. He’s been around the league and has had the luxury of objectively looking at every team/system and seeing what has worked and what hasn’t. Thibodeau, who everyone loves, grew from Van Gundy, so he seems like he would be fine except for the whole thing about playing guys 45 minutes/game. I’d rather go with JVG who seems to be more of a big picture guy than Thibodeau, who treats every game like game 7 of the finals.

    3. I’d have no problem with Phil getting the boot–my worry, however, is that, since this is Dolan we’re talking about, he’s going to pick someone even worse to replace him (*cough*Isaiah*cough*)

      Then again, he has recently shown restraint in his handling and hiring of personnel for the Rangers, and they’ve been extremely successful. But it seems as if the Knicks are his shiny toy and he’s therefore more intent on interfering unless you have someone at GM with massive cachet like Phil.

      Basically we’re fucked unless Porzingis turns into a transcendent, all-time player or Dolan sells.

    4. All I could think of last summer was how “phew did I ever make the right choice” Steve Kerr must have felt or something to that effect. What a s***show he avoided stepping in. This seems something like the Generals who were still using Napoleonic tactics decades after they became obsolete.

    5. Last night’s game reminded me of a high school varsity vs JV game. There’s one or two guys on the JV who are definitely skilled enough to play varsity, but at the same time you’re not totally sure the varsity would be better off with them than they are without them. Plus you’ve got one or two freshman who flash some signs that they might be varsity players someday. But otherwise you’ve got a bunch of kids on the JV who should maybe switch to chess club or something. And the JV coach is probably like the varsity swim coach or something who helps out with JV Basketball in his spare time, so you can’t totally blame him for mostly just standing on the sideline looking like he’s thinking about something else.

      Warriors are darn good though. They were about 50% focused and still ran us off the court with ease. Any possession they wanted to try they could get a great shot on O or a stop on D. If you’d offered them each $1M bonuses if they won the game by 60 I think they could probably have hit that number.

    6. What part of Kobe’s lauditory comments about Phil’s knowledge of the game didn’t you understand?

    7. Warriors are darn good though. They were about 50% focused and still ran us off the court with ease

      This part I disagree on. They played poorly against bad teams lately including a loss to LAL and this game was against the Knicks so I think they played hard

    8. My son played varsity basketball in NJ, and one year St. Patrick’s with Kyrie Irving was on the schedule. It reminded me of last night’s game, Kyrie was operating at about 50% effort level and still scored 25 without breaking a sweat. And of course St. Pats beat us by 30.

    9. I watched most of the game last night, and as frustrating as it is, we can’t overreact to what happened last night. The Knicks were going to get buried, and they did. Someone did a rec league comparison, and that’s what I felt, too, having played rec league for years until “retiring” a couple of years ago. We had a solid team of tennis players who enjoyed playing bball in the winter, but there were always a couple of teams that just out talented ours, and we got beaten, badly, on a few occasions.

      I felt sorry for Calderon out there. Rambis playing him for nearly 11 minutes of the first quarter was horrifying. He looked dispirited out there trying to stay with Curry. I wonder how much of his leg injury is physical, and how much is mental. Not only is playing Calderon huge minutes and giving Sasha decent minutes not helping the team win (as Rambis still apparently thinks), it is humiliating the two of them and stifling the possible progress of Grant and Galloway.

      The time is now (actually, it now well past time) to START Grant and Galloway and give each about 30 minutes per game. Let’s see what they have to EVALUATE the guard position for next year. Afflalo looked solid off the bench last night, and that’s where he should stay.

      We all know that the Knicks need to sign 2 new starting guards for next year, but getting a longer look from here on out at Grant and Galloway as starters can give Phil a better idea of which guard position, the 1 or 2, he wants to spend the most on (while trying to find a bargain for the other).

    10. I wonder if G State will risk their chemistry going after Durant; I guess it depends on if they win it all this year or not. I can see them keeping Barnes and their bench.

    11. The time is now (actually, it now well past time) to START Grant and Galloway and give each about 30 minutes per game. Let’s see what they have to EVALUATE the guard position for next year. Afflalo looked solid off the bench last night, and that’s where he should stay.

      We all know that the Knicks need to sign 2 new starting guards for next year, but getting a longer look from here on out at Grant and Galloway as starters can give Phil a better idea of which guard position, the 1 or 2, he wants to spend the most on (while trying to find a bargain for the other).

      You write this as if Rambis is a reasonable person that will consider this.

      All I can say is that Sasha must have serious dirt on all these guys.

    12. All I can say is that Sasha must have serious dirt on all these guys.

      I dunno, I think that goes with your first point. I’d love to believe he’s getting all this playing time because of something other than Rambis and Jackson thinking that he is good, but I don’t believe that is the case. And that’s scary as fuck. Heck, who is to say that he’s not returning next season to the team?!

      As for firing Jackson, the other day I was saying I would almost consider seeing what Steve Mills could do with this team, and I have absolutely no faith in Mills as an executive. But that was mostly facetious, as I think Dolan could (and probably would) do so much worse than Jackson that I am actually kind of okay with Jackson doing a shitty job than someone else doing a really shitty job. Jackson at least drafted Porzingis and signed Lopez.

      With all of the available cap room out there, I think even a shitty GM could make the Knicks competitive for the #8 seed next year, and while that’s not even close to ideal, I guess that’s better than nothing.

    13. With all of the available cap room out there, I think even a shitty GM could make the Knicks competitive for the #8 seed next year, and while that’s not even close to ideal, I guess that’s better than nothing.

      Honestly, we don’t even need an imaginative GM. Just some average dude. Give me John Gabriel for pete’s sake? isn’t he working in some basement in MSG now? Or like you said, even Steve Mills. He’s a smart guy, went to Princeton, probably knows something about basketball, and almost certainly doesn’t need to push any agenda other than making a good basketball team.

      This roster has talent – it has a legit NBA front court with a second-tier superstar, a very solid NBA center, and a kid who has a chance to be really special. It has cap space. After this year if has all its own 1st round picks. It has NYC for what that’s worth. All it takes is for someone to come in and not fuck it up with some personal mission to validate a system that literally has bombed anytime it didn’t have 2 or more the 50 greatest players of all time.

      And that’s the rub — I actually think the Triangle is only the 3rd biggest problem on the team — the 1st two being an utter lack of any NBA guards and a complete inability to guard the perimeter (these things are connected!). If you put, say, Batum and, I don’t know, a healthy Mario Chalmers, the offense might be ok, or even better than ok. Certainly the defense would be 100x better.

      But after 2 consecutive disastrous years, no one good is going to want to play in the Triangle unless you grossly overpay them.

    14. Meanwhile I have entertained myself watching highlight tapes of Tony Wroten. That dude has the best eurostep in the league, and is just relentless going to the basket. I actually think his driving ability is underestimated by current stats (ie. FG% near the basket) because it doesn’t take into account all the fouls he draws. His PPP on drives to the hoop is probably pretty good.

      If he can ever develop even an average jumper…

      If
      If
      If
      If

    15. He’d still be a turnover machine.

      Details

      At least he’d throw down a monster jam in traffic every now and then. we’re knicks fans. low standards.

    16. I do like how much he made it clear to everyone that he is never leaving. Every year, he always make some weird cryptic statement like, “Maaaaaaaaaaaybe I will leave.” So it’s good to see him pretty much plainly state that he is never leaving. And it is for the reasons why we already knew he wouldn’t leave – 1. He likes it here (certainly can’t begrudge him that – New York is awesome) and 2. He thinks it would look bad for his legacy to leave as pretty much a failure here.

    17. Batum is almost a must. We should overpay for him. I’m willing to wait for Grant and Wroten to develop or we could add a Bayless, Jennings or Chalmers as placeholders.

    18. They can’t overpay Batum, because he’s going to get the same offer (the max) from everyone. In fact, the Knicks inherently can’t make him the biggest offer since Charlotte can outbid everyone.

      I’ve said it before, but while I am not saying that the Knicks won’t sign Batum, any scenario where the Knicks sign Batum have to involve him getting $25 million next year. So no, “Well, we can sign Batum and (Player making more than $8 million at the absolute most)” scenarios.

    19. So what, the Warriors would be

      Curry
      Thompson
      Iguodala
      Durant
      Green/Varejao?

      Yeah, that team wins like 81 games. Barnes is overrated. Livingston has been outstanding but he’s a 2nd-team player. Bogut would really be missed, but it’s Kevin Durant. We’re not talking about Joe Johnson, about Carmelo Anthony, or anyone who’s considered “talented” or “superstar-ish.” We’re talking about adding the 2014 MVP to the 2015 MVP’s team. They would set a record for Ortg. It wouldn’t be fair.

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